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[mkrishna100]

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AAP knows congress is not their enemy. congress is already marginalised.they would like to group BJP with congress and bring them down . Shiela dixit and AAP fight is only shadow boxing . She has no support within the congress upto loksabha elections. congress will not rock the boat

Yes more than Congress it is the BJP that is very much annoyed by the entry of AAP in the political scene .I feel the 2014 verdict at the National Scene will also be mixed verdict with no one party getting a clear majority and that very much suits AAP .

 

[mkrishna100]

The latest news is that there is heavy rift in Delhi Congress with one section protesting against support to AAP and there is a feeling that out of the 7 Congress MLAs , 5 may defect from Congress and decide to stay separate and that can result in AAP also loosing the confidence vote in assembly in case the BJP decides to vote against AAP . Lot of drama ahead in Delhi .

 

[vgane]

AAP Ke Jaadu Se Haath {From Your Broom(symbol of AAP) to Congress's Hand}--- A nice cartoon that I laughed at...If it becomes so, AAP will become the laughing stock of Delhi!!

 

[sarang]

This is nice too!

 

[vgane]

Bombshell from Congress..I think it is a tactical move to avert any split in the Congress Legislature Party

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16:04 PM LIVE! Cong: Our decision to support AAP for govt formation not correct : Congress Gen Secy Janardan Dwivedi on the party's support to AAP. He says, "There is an opinion in the Congress that perhaps the decision to support AAP for government formation is not correct. Mandate was not for Congress, perhaps we should have played the role of opposition and raised people's issues."

So, is the Congress rethinking its support? Another visit to Lt Governor Najeeb Jung's residence in the offing?

 

[mkrishna100]

Bombshell from Congress..I think it is a tactical move to avert any split in the Congress Legislature Party

LOL Nice Drama . The Congress is now caught between the fire ( Supporting AAP ) and frying Pan ( Not supporting AAP ) . If they support AAP , then Kejriwal will reciprocate that wonderful gesture with fast track inquiry into all the corruption deals during the last 15 years of Congress rule, a passage of the Jan Lokpal Bill in the Delhi Legislature . If Congress withdraws support ( which is more likely ) then that will anger the already angered people and that will have effect on the 2014 Parliamentary elections and so Congress is caught between the fire and frying Pan .

 

[krish44]

Today on 28th dec 201 swearing in of AAP is taking place
People tired of corruption ,divisive politics based on caste ,community,religion and money power are finding an alternative
no more doubt whether voting AAP is a vote wasted
beware bjp their brand of politics based on religion,money and empty rhetoric of modi has found a match in left of centre non identity inclusive politics of AAP. there is a good chance of modi wave waning as it is no longer modi vs shahazada of congress.Rather It is modi vs inclusive,nonidentity,uncorrupt politics of AAP. AaP will set candidates in more than 200 seats in India and will bring BJP also down along with congress. Let us pray for it for new india

 

[vgane]

Today on 28th dec 201 swearing in of AAP is taking place
People tired of corruption ,divisive politics based on caste ,community,religion and money power are finding an alternative
no more doubt whether voting AAP is a vote wasted
beware bjp their brand of politics based on religion,money and empty rhetoric of modi has found a match in left of centre non identity inclusive politics of AAP. there is a good chance of modi wave waning as it is no longer modi vs shahazada of congress.Rather It is modi vs inclusive,nonidentity,uncorrupt politics of AAP. AaP will set candidates in more than 200 seats in India and will bring BJP also down along with congress. Let us pray for it for new india

If you look at the background of AAP, they were supported stealthily by the Congress from the beginning..They nurtured them in the hope that AAP will break the BJP votes..Alas it got its own vote bank plundered by AAP, while AAP played spoil sport to BJP too

Not sure if AAP can make an impact in other cities and metros

Agreed , they look formidable in Delhi...They represent the common man..That Kejriwal & his Minsters are going to travel in Metro for the swearing in and that they are not going to use siren and red beacons atop their vehicles is a good signal

How about their economic policies...How are they going to fund the cheap power and free water initiative..

 

[krish44]

Scene outside Arvind Kejriwal's residence at 10:20 am - Ever seen a bouquet with a Broom?

 

[vgane]

Sight is nauseating!

Do we ever see the broom when we get up?

And that too while greeting others?

AAP is nothing but Thodappa kattai

 

[tks]

I have not been following the India's political scene for a long time.
Why are members here not rooting for AAP to become a success in Delhi and nationally later (though that is a far fetched goal)?
Wont it be nice for AAP to kick out DMK/ADMK hold in TN?

 

[sravna]

I have not been following the India's political scene for a long time.
Why are members here not rooting for AAP to become a success in Delhi and nationally later (though that is a far fetched goal)?
Wont it be nice for AAP to kick out DMK/ADMK hold in TN?

There are both good and bad about the AAP. The good thing is that AAP talks about cleansing the system as a primary goal. Since that is the most needed now, it should be welcome. Though there are certain things about AAP that vitiates this good factor. Primarily, the bad is that it seems obsessed with projecting a good image and it may spend its efforts towards that than towards the real benefit of the people. I think the reality about AAP can be found out only when it is given the chance to rule.

 

[mkrishna100]

I have not been following the India's political scene for a long time.
Why are members here not rooting for AAP to become a success in Delhi and nationally later (though that is a far fetched goal)?
Wont it be nice for AAP to kick out DMK/ADMK hold in TN?
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AAP wont be able to kick out any political party but would create sufficient damage to all political parties by stealing votes from them and that would hurt them a lot and force them to bring in changes to get back the self respect from the people . AAP is talking about a new political culture that is way distinct from the way all the normal parties function and they see no difference between Congress/BJP/SP/BSP/DMK/AIADMK etc . So now it is no longer the fight between Congress/BJP at National level but AAP v/s all Established political parties . AAP wont be able to win but will create sufficient damage to the existing political set up and a DElhi like scenario will emerge at the Centre also . Congress is aware of this and hence playing very defensively ( they are reconciled to the fact that they will not win 2014 and also aware no one will win a majority in 2014 ) and BJP is only highly frustrated by the emergence of AAP as it has punctured Modi's fast moving Car .

 

[krish44]

I have not been following the India's political scene for a long time.
Why are members here not rooting for AAP to become a success in Delhi and nationally later (though that is a far fetched goal)?
Wont it be nice for AAP to kick out DMK/ADMK hold in TN?

In tamil nadu the dravidian parties have a reservation policy for most of the dispossessed classes. Poor people do not mind them since they have given sufficient sops to them free rations ,material gifts such as fans ,grinder ,mixie,Tv.clothes in return for votes and putting up with corruption. public distribution system is better targetted. It is a educational hub with access to it by poor classes. law and order is much better in comparison to northern states. any reform or major change takes place in tamilnadu much later than rest of the country
what is desirable is not easily possible. It will take a little more time for an AAP like party to emerge

 

[krish44]

AAP wont be able to kick out any political party but would create sufficient damage to all political parties by stealing votes from them and that would hurt them a lot and force them to bring in changes to get back the self respect from the people . AAP is talking about a new political culture that is way distinct from the way all the normal parties function and they see no difference between Congress/BJP/SP/BSP/DMK/AIADMK etc . So now it is no longer the fight between Congress/BJP at National level but AAP v/s all Established political parties . AAP wont be able to win but will create sufficient damage to the existing political set up and a DElhi like scenario will emerge at the Centre also . Congress is aware of this and hence playing very defensively ( they are reconciled to the fact that they will not win 2014 and also aware no one will win a majority in 2014 ) and BJP is only highly frustrated by the emergence of AAP as it has punctured Modi's fast moving Car .

mkrishna ji I like your anaysis. How much AAP will dictate the politics of all india remains to be seen? politicians can feel the need to change very fast. many old school politicians will be swept away. The mass upsurge at todays oath taking ceremony is any indication,bJP and other political parties would be shivering in their boots

 

[kunjuppu]

In tamil nadu the dravidian parties have a reservation policy for most of the dispossessed classes. Poor people do not mind them since they have given sufficient sops to them free rations ,material gifts such as fans ,grinder ,mixie,Tv.clothes in return for votes and putting up with corruption. public distribution system is better targetted. It is a educational hub with access to it by poor classes. law and order is much better in comparison to northern states. any reform or major change takes place in tamilnadu much later than rest of the country
what is desirable is not easily possible. It will take a little more time for an AAP like party to emerge

right you are. whoever comes, cannot and will not remove the social reformations of past 45 years. actually these were initiated by kamaraj and solidified by dmk/admk. the folks here to are tired of corruption, but not much choice there for them.

maybe the new generation of dmk like stalin will do better than his father, re corruption. admin wise both dmk admk have delivered. right across the board to all levels of tamil NB society. in fact so successful has been this delivery, that there is a coombined jealousy of the dalits from the mid castes and the vanniars, which does not bode good for the future of tamil nadu and hinduism.

i am saying this because, the middle castes like gounders and nadars are now the bakcbone of RSS in the southern and kongu land, and their activities are to whip up hatred and control dalit youths. that is my evaluation of this whole thing.

 

[tks]

Sri Sravana, Sri mkrishna100 , Sri krish44

Thanks for sharing your analysis.

One of my friends actually took leave of absence from his work place to do door to door campaigning for AAP in Delhi and surrounding areas. He has never been in politics and showed me how ordinary people - often uneducated - have risen from all walks of life have become natural leaders in gathering support for AAP. Of course his wife and family are worried about my friend's sudden entry to India's political scene !
I saw photos from actual door-to-door campaign activities and it was very inspiring to see some challenge emerging to the corrupt system of political life in India.

At the least all one can do is to support the effort. The AAP party was initially about only a resistance movement and nothing more but without show of power change is not possible (and that too without violence).

Every country deserves the Government it has and this election result in Delhi is something that we can all feel encouraged.

I see many pessimistic comments in the forum reflecting , in my view , more of a given member's attitude towards life than what hope lies with movement like what seem to be going on.

The movement may be transient but when we see real progress it is worth supporting the change and hope for better days.

My views are shaped primarily from talking to my friend.

I will continue to look for unbiased analysis by members here with my renewed interest in India's political future ...

 

[mkrishna100]

I am neither a die hard fan of AAP nor a die hard critic of them .I know AAP Cant deliver on most of their promises in the next 6 months as most of them require a long time to implement and no one knows how longtheir party will last .I feel people have not voted for AAP keeping Kewjriwal in mind but people have voted for AAP as AAP was the party that had people and candidates with whom you could identify with like your next door middle class neighbor . The success of AAP does not lie with Kejriwal and the AAP team but it depends upon how far the common people of Delhi ( from all walks of life ) and at other places willing to co-operate with this new experiment of taking direct responsibility in the Governance of their city . So people should also be prepared for sacrifice to keep this movement alive . Right now even Arvind Kejriwal does not know how far his Government will last and how far it can be carried to other parts of India but one thing is for sure i.e he has given shivers to established parties for the first time .How far this shiver will last no one knows and how far AAP Movement will last also no one knows . But the fat cats from BJP/COngress will not keep quite for long and will do their best to discredit this movement and we are in for lot of drama on TV . The next 6 months will be very volatile and interesting .

 

[sarang]

This is another mischievous deliberate insinuation - RSS has no history of anti dalit activitism.

i am saying this because, the middle castes like gounders and nadars are now the bakcbone of RSS in the southern and kongu land, and their activities are to whip up hatred and control dalit youths. that is my evaluation of this whole thing.

 

[vgane]

In fact the core constituency of AAP has been not only the lower and middle strata of society but also part of the elite..That a constituency like Greater Kailash similar to T.Nagar or Mylapore has chosen AAP over established parties shows how much people were frustrated with the current order

I feel that AAP has a short life, all India; it will have a lot of nuisance value ..

Delhi has been their laboratory or incubation center..If the experiment succeeds in Delhi, then AAP can have a long haul in Delhi..

Delhi is a cosmopolitan center..It is the National Capital...It is not driven by caste politics like other States...Delhi rulers in post independence India have always been part of the upper caste elite..And AAP continues the tradition...

Can this succeed in other parts which is riven by regional, language and caste considerations

 

[vgane]

This is another mischievous deliberate insinuation - RSS has no history of anti dalit activitism.

The growth of RSS in southern TN is on account of the excessive sops provided to the Minorities, minority activism and Muslim Jihadis running amok in the Southern districts..

As Sarang has pointed out, the Sangh is not anti dalit

 

[kunjuppu]

This is another mischievous deliberate insinuation - RSS has no history of anti dalit activitism.

sorry it it gave the wrong impression.

let me tell you the fact. RSS cadres in the southern districts come from nadars gounders thevars mostly. these among other mid castes are structurally anti dalit for various reasons beyond the scope of this post. hence RSS is viewed by dalits as against them. that is all.

i dont think there is any dispute among folks here that there is a big caste fight in tamil nadu, with dalits on one side, vanniars and all the middle castes ranged against them. due mostly due to upward mobility of the dalits due to govt help. also due to nrega policy dalit men find it better to do public works for 100 days than be part time labourers in the fields owned by mid castes. shame that sarang does not know all this, and jumps to epithets against me. personal hatred will only come to haunt him and his progeny. watchout.

sarang also needs to mind his manners and language. he can ask for clarifications instead of jumping to foolish conclusions. he will be punished and haunted for generations for being an a^%&(&(&*^e

 

[mkrishna100]

Delhi has been their laboratory or incubation center..If the experiment succeeds in Delhi, then AAP can have a long haul in Delhi..

When it comes to outside Delhi AAP will smartly choose only those constituencies that have Delhi like characteristics i.e Urban cities of India ( Chennai , Mumbai , Bangalore , Kolkatta and other premier Tier-2 cities ) and will also focus on contesting in places where key Big Wigs like Rahul , Sonia , Narender Modi etc contest . AAP knows they will not win in most of these places but will create lot of nuisance to established political parties and they very fact they gave a good fight itself is a victory for them . We all know few years back a Party of IITians named LokParitran came and they contested in select Urban areas in TN in the TN Assembly elections of 2006 and while they did not win any seats they did got lot of media coverage but subsequently the entire movement /party collapsed . I hope AAP does not go the LokParitran way .
One of my fears with regard to Kejriwal is that he is too idealistic and wants results too quickly and if it does not work he quits that place and starts one more movement and tries the same to only quit again and start another .I hope his AAP experiment does not end that way .

 

[kunjuppu]

The growth of RSS in southern TN is on account of the excessive sops provided to the Minorities, minority activism and Muslim Jihadis running amok in the Southern districts..

As Sarang has pointed out, the Sangh is not anti dalit

dear vgane,

pls read what i wrote carefully. if in doubt pls ask me for clarifications and pls do not associate yourself with folks whom santhanam would 'களிமண்டு மூதேவி '. you know i try to be logical and if not coherent, pls do me a favour and ask for clarifications. atleast i can explain myself.


ps.. i agree with you that the sangh is not anti dalit. but the complexities of caste in tamil nadu makes the upward mobility of dalits difficult. because it has cohesed the jealousies of almost all the NB communities. as tambrams we can sort of understand it. and these mid castes are now accusing the brahmin press (read vikatan hindu dinamalar) of supporting the dalits and letting loose another vitriol against the community.

for the common tambram it is between a hard place and a rock, because through no fault of his own, bad things are written about him. the RSS leaders in the north would welcome increased membership here, without knowing what the real nature of the followers are.

there is nothing worse than someone following you for the wrong reasons. lots of things to think ruminate and evaluate. meanwhile the muslims are playing their naradhar role. lots of undercurrents underneath the veneer of 'peaceful' tamil nadu. law and order. and more. all issues. being passed on to the next generation.

all in all, i think, the best hope for a peaceful india in the next 20 years, is mad mad mad economic growth of 15% per annum and more. folks will be sooooo busy working and prospering, that everyone will forget the internal quarrels and jealousies and divisions. maybe modi will make this happen.

 

[prasad1]

Even tough I think Mr. Sarang has a right to say what he wants to say, I wish he would quit being a mouthpiece of RSS. He is against anyone who opposes RSS. I have good many family members who are strongly opposed to to the ruling party and their mismanagement, but they all have independent judgement. So we can have healthy discussion.

I do not believe that Mr. Sarang is a Hater, but he is little too close to RSS to see anything opposing RSS.