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Sankararaman murder case - Kanchi Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswati acquitted

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I just posted the above item, merely to highlight the irony of hyperventilated concern for someone's death here when there are other deaths involving security of the country.
Naina, showing concern for a victim and expressing disgust at miscarriage of justice is hyperventilating to you, really?!! Also, don't you see that the flip side of what you are saying is that there are some murders about which one need not care, and if anyone does, they are overreacting.

Be that as it may, murder is unconscionable, whether it is nuclear scientists mysteriously dropping dead, or a man, father, and a husband, getting hacked to death within the premises of a temple to one of your gods.
 
Nara,

H.H. Jayendra Sararaswathi Swamigal was incarcerated for 2 months by the Government and wild allegations surfaced..Who will bear the mental agony and trauma of the Swamigal!

Look at Tejapal...He is running amok scot free and is now attributing motives to the girl...Plain gutter talk...He should be arrested and investigated...Understand that he has done the same with some others too...He is a perverted brain and a satyr

And what about the name and reputation of the Sankaracharya. In the maligning that was done a number of followers were influenced and formed a negative view about him. I think there are definitely vested interests in this and they indulge in this systematic defamation of all the spiritual persons.
 
H.H. Jayendra Sararaswathi Swamigal was incarcerated for 2 months by the Government and wild allegations surfaced..Who will bear the mental agony and trauma of the Swamigal!

Look at Tejapal...He is running amok scot free and is now attributing motives to the girl...Plain gutter talk...He should be arrested and investigated...Understand that he has done the same with some others too...He is a perverted brain and a satyr
vgane, I have no sympathy to spare for the sexual predator, he should be held to account to the maximum extent permitted under law.

I was only commenting about what seems to be a double standard.

Please note, Sankararaman was murdered on September 3, 2004. Swamigal was arrested on November 11, 2004, after a lapse of more than two months. It took another two months to arrest the other Swamigal. However, in Tejpal's case, it is hardly two weeks and you want him put away right now. The police has not even charged him, which I hope they soon will, you are already fuming "he is running amok".

How would you have felt if people who don't share your reverence for the Swamigal demanded that he is arrested and put away within two weeks of murder, before the police had concluded their investigation?

High and low must be equal under the law. But the reality is different. Swamigal got away, but there are many questions that remain unanswered. Tejpal being another rich and powerful public figure may also get away, though not murder, but almost equal in heinousness. If he does get away, that will be another kick in the chin for blindfolded lady of justice.
 
And what about the name and reputation of the Sankaracharya. In the maligning that was done a number of followers were influenced and formed a negative view about him. I think there are definitely vested interests in this and they indulge in this systematic defamation of all the spiritual persons.
His name and reputation can never be sullied among his devotees, so don't you worry. As for the rest of us, only if he gives a full and honest accounting of what really happened he can reclaim the common respect all human beings have a right to.
 
vgane, I have no sympathy to spare for the sexual predator, he should be held to account to the maximum extent permitted under law.

I was only commenting about what seems to be a double standard.

Please note, Sankararaman was murdered on September 3, 2004. Swamigal was arrested on November 11, 2004, after a lapse of more than two months. It took another two months to arrest the other Swamigal. However, in Tejpal's case, it is hardly two weeks and you want him put away right now. The police has not even charged him, which I hope they soon will, you are already fuming "he is running amok".

How would you have felt if people who don't share your reverence for the Swamigal demanded that he is arrested and put away within two weeks of murder, before the police had concluded their investigation?

High and low must be equal under the law. But the reality is different. Swamigal got away, but there are many questions that remain unanswered. Tejpal being another rich and powerful public figure may also get away, though not murder, but almost equal in heinousness. If he does get away, that will be another kick in the chin for blindfolded lady of justice.

Come on Nara...In 2004 victim was dead...So investigation took time...Also as it was a cock & bull story, it took time to create a facade...Obviously when a venerated Swamiji is being framed by a Christian S.P & supported by a neighboring Christian CM & another C.M who had an axe to grind they took time to frame the Acharya...

In Tarun Tejpal case, the victim is alive & kicking to tell the truth

So there is no comparison!
 
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His name and reputation can never be sullied among his devotees, so don't you worry. As for the rest of us, only if he gives a full and honest accounting of what really happened he can reclaim the common respect all human beings have a right to.

What I am saying is that given the power of the government to totally control the fate of an individual, it will not be surprising if the Sankaracharya has been such a victim of power. This ability is especially formidable if foreign forces are also involved which definitely cannot be ruled out.

So the Sankaracharya may really have nothing to say to you or to others regarding this. It is up to you to perceive the truth.
 
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Both arrest and final judgement have come during jayalalitha's regime. She even announced in the assembly before arrest that sri jayendra was guilty, which is unethical and not done. Her stand made the specially appointed (by JJ) investigator to violate all norms, extract confessions by force, release unverified news (ICCI cheque given to a contractor), release videos secretly filmed (so called confessions in a drugged state) and many other despicable acts. Anyway the investigator was discredited, lost his position in police force and died miserably. Since it was jayalalitha who first initiated proceedings, she has to decide what to do next.

She lost (well deserved) the elections and the next karuna government was not as hostile as the previous one.

The legal concept is that the guilt of an accused person cannot be presumed and that they must be assumed to be innocent until proven otherwise.

This is the premise for this judgment
 
And the media and glittarary trating him with kid gloves; except vhp, no one raised their voice strongly or effectively in Sri jayendra's case.

Nara,

H.H. Jayendra Sararaswathi Swamigal was incarcerated for 2 months by the Government and wild allegations surfaced..Who will bear the mental agony and trauma of the Swamigal!

Look at Tejapal...He is running amok scot free and is now attributing motives to the girl...Plain gutter talk...He should be arrested and investigated...Understand that he has done the same with some others too...He is a perverted brain and a satyr
 
One must not forget - karunanidhi and dmk announced a statewide bandh seeking arrest and were planning to create a violent law and order situation. Both jj and mk were pro minorities and anti majority; now only jj has started talking that majority interest must be respected and protected.
She has learned her lesson.

Hope she too follows modi - development for all, appeasement of none.

Come on Nara...In 2004 victim was dead...So investigation took time...Also as it was a cock & bull story, it took time to create a facade...Obviously when a venerated Swamiji is being framed by a Christian S.P & supported by a neighboring Christian CM & another C.M who had an axe to grind they took time to frame the Acharya...

In Tarun Tejpal case, the victim is alive & kicking to tell the truth

So there is no comparison!
 
And what about the name and reputation of the Sankaracharya. In the maligning that was done a number of followers were influenced and formed a negative view about him. I think there are definitely vested interests in this and they indulge in this systematic defamation of all the spiritual persons.

Dear sravna,

What about the name and reputation of Tejpal? In the maligning that has been going on many have formed negative opinion about him too. Being a journalist dont you think he had very powerful enemies? And what about his agony? In what way Sankaracharya is different from Tejpal as far as justice is concerned?
 
Both arrest and final judgement have come during jayalalitha's regime. She even announced in the assembly before arrest that sri jayendra was guilty, which is unethical and not done. Her stand made the specially appointed (by JJ) investigator to violate all norms, extract confessions by force, release unverified news (ICCI cheque given to a contractor), release videos secretly filmed (so called confessions in a drugged state) and many other despicable acts. Anyway the investigator was discredited, lost his position in police force and died miserably. Since it was jayalalitha who first initiated proceedings, she has to decide what to do next.

She lost (well deserved) the elections and the next karuna government was not as hostile as the previous one.

1. The case filed by the Governement is thrown out and all accused have been released with a judgment that they are innocent.

2. Now the Governement stands discredited in the eyes of the citizens.

3. The Govt. has two options:

(a) Sankararaman murder in the broad day-light inside the busy Varadharaja Perumal temple was just the work of Maya. The Govt. filing the case was the result of Maya. The Government losing the case is also Maya. So nothing has happened. So citizens have nothing to complain about. Sankararaman's wife and son can find solace in the fact that when their time comes they will merge with the nirguna brahman or the universal consciousness where they will meet sankararaman again.

(b) Government can order for a fresh enquiry by CBI as there are several infirmities in the enquiry that was conducted by the state cb-cid. Wait for the results. We can celebrate when that enquiry by CBI also gives a clean chit to the accused people.
 
(b) Government can order for a fresh enquiry by CBI as there are several infirmities in the enquiry that was conducted by the state cb-cid. Wait for the results. We can celebrate when that enquiry by CBI also gives a clean chit to the accused people.

Government can also go for Appeal . We are yet to hear the version from the Government about the next step in this issue . Right now both the Dravidian parties have lost interest in this issue and hence we cant expect the Government to go ahead much in this issue . As regards CBI had the Government passed the case to the CBI in the first instance itself to show that it is impartial in this issue it would have been much better .

3. The Govt. has two options:

(a) Sankararaman murder in the broad day-light inside the busy Varadharaja Perumal temple was just the work of Maya.

The Government had various options before it when the case started itself . Yesterday I wrote why many investigative agencies keep bungling many cases again and again . Here I share the same .

If A and B are known enemies and if B is killed then they automatically come to the conclusion that only A could have done it .It is OK for normal people to think like that but not professional Investigative agencies .
If A and B are enemies then if B is killed then while they can have the suspicion on A but at the same time they must keep their minds open to other possibilities on finding whether B has any hidden enemies like C ( who are not known to the public ) , or a third Party like D who has no enemity with B but has a grudge against A and want to settle scores with him by killing B and letting A suffer the consequences for the same .

Professional Investigative agencies must be open to all these possibilities and rely purely on forensic evidence to nail the culprits in a Scientific manner without giving room for any bias .But most of the time due to pressure from the ruling establishment or pressure from Media or due to their own over enthusiasm in proving to the world they can solve this crime easily they jump in to hasty conclusions before hand and start investigating in only one particular direction and collect evidence in that direction only without exploring the other ways to first collect evidence from all possible angles and then go about nailing the culprits .
But Whether they will be really allowed to explore all angles freely and scientifically by the successive ruling establishment in all cases I do not know .

So various options were open to the Government before itself in solving and now they have eggs on the face as to who had murdered Sankararaman with the courts Acquitting the 2 Shankaracharya and all the accused in the case .
By the way what about the Murder of Aladi Aruna ( DMK ) , Tha Kruttinan ( DMK ) in Madurai , KN Ramajeyam in Trichy ? Have the real culprits been caught so far ? Is there no intention to find the real culprits due to some Political Pressure or plain incompetence by the Police or are they too overburdened with various other things to find the culprits of these high profile murders or a combination of the above 3 .I have no answers to this .

As regards Sankararaman Murder case I am not taking any sides and my feeling is that the ruling establishment at that time was more interested in settling scores with the Kanchi Acharyas rather than solving the Crime in a purely professional manner and now finally getting eggs on their face after 9 years . If the State Government wants to go for an Appeal or hand over the Case to CBI I have no complaints to the same . Shankara Raman's Murder must be solved and so must the murder of other high profile people listed above must be solved .
 
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Government can also go for Appeal . We are yet to hear the version [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]from the Government[/COLOR] about the next step in this issue . Right now both the Dravidian parties have lost interest in this issue and hence we cant expect the Government to go ahead much in this issue . As regards CBI had the Government passed the case to the CBI in the first instance itself to show that it is impartial in this issue it would have been much better .

If there is interest in bringing out the truth and punishing the really guilty ones, the Govt. will have to necessarily order a CBI inquiry. If instead the Govt. goes for a simple appeal, it would mean the secret agenda is to let off the culprits again. A simple appeal will have no grounds in the first place and will be rejected out of hand.




 
I wish to also point out that it is not just this Shankaracharya case but in many cases the Police / Establishment runs off in hasty conclusion before hand and later run in to difficulty in nailing the culprits . The state of TN is increasingly witnessing lot of Murders done by professional murder squads ( coolie padai ) in the last 10 years and many of the cases are unsolved till date and in some case the police are quite clue less . It seems gangs are hired from Northers states to execute this crime to perfection and care is taken to see that the hired gangs have no police record either in TN or from the state in which they come . The entire operation is done with so much planning and perfection that the executors of the crime do not even know who is the Chief conspirator of the same . They just know of the immediate person who has hired them to do it and they are well paid for the same and they are escorted to a different state after the crime is over .Even the immediate person who has hired them is far down the hierarchy of the Crime that he is not aware of the Original Conspirators . So even if the executors are caught and tortured they can only point out to the immediate person who hired them but have no clue of who masterminded the same .
Also after a crime is over 4,5 local thugs surrender in court claiming they have done it and the courts have to leave them off with none of the witness able to identify them .

So in current scenario for all high profile murders if at all possible it is only possible to arrest the immediate culprits of the crime but very difficult to establish the conspiracy theory . I really do not know how the Police /State is going to respond to this situation of handling increasing numbers of unsolved murders of high profile people .
 
Dear sravna,

What about the name and reputation of Tejpal? In the maligning that has been going on many have formed negative opinion about him too. Being a journalist dont you think he had very powerful enemies? And what about his agony? In what way Sankaracharya is different from Tejpal as far as justice is concerned?

Dear Shri Vaagmi,

It is basically a western way of thinking that the act has to be considered on its own merits irrespective of the person who does that act. But in the first place why are two persons considered different. It is their past acts or their given stature from which the motives and objectives of the two can be reasonably inferred. Now are the objectives of a perosn like Tejpal similar to that of the Sankaracharya. Absolutely not! Tejpal is there to earn name , fame and money. His motives are baser compared to those of the Sankaracharya whose goals are to inculcate spirituality in the minds of the people without focus on the material well being for self.

So you tell me would you form a decision on something alleged against the two in the same way just because the allegation is the same?
 
Dear Shri Vaagmi,

It is basically a western way of thinking that the act has to be considered on its own merits irrespective of the person who does that act. But in the first place why are two persons considered different. It is their past acts or their given stature from which the motives and objectives of the two can be reasonably inferred. Now are the objectives of a perosn like Tejpal similar to that of the Sankaracharya. Absolutely not! Tejpal is there to earn name , fame and money. His motives are baser compared to those of the Sankaracharya whose goals are to inculcate spirituality in the minds of the people without focus on the material well being for self.

So you tell me would you form a decision on something alleged against the two in the same way just because the allegation is the same?

Dear sravna,

This is not an assessment of an individual's merit for honouring him with a Nobel prize. This is just to decide whether he is guilty or not. If Sankaracharya is interested in the spiritual welfare of his sishyas without any worldly material interest it is because he is a sanyasi. He can not be anytnhing else. Tejpal is similarly an investigative journalist who conducts regular sting operations to highlight the corrupt practices in the society. Both are doing what they can in their chosen areas. They may get name, fame and money in the process. That is the bye-product they deal with in different ways.

In the eyes of law both are just equal.

QED.
 
Dear Shri Vaagmi,

You are missing the point. If two persons one being a sanyasi and the other a professional killer are charged with murder, which one should you give more credence to? Of course law will take its own course in deciding the truth. The common man being easily influenced, is not the damage done to the spiritual person, due to the allegations much much greater because he is there only to inculcate values? His very essence is sought to be negated.
 
[h=3]I give below an excellent write up by a Muslim Social Activist Aloor Shanavas on the mystery behind the murder of Palani Baba ( an Islamic Fundamentalist ) in the late 90s .While RSS/Hindutva fundakentalists were accused of that murder as Palani Baba was very critical of RSS but the Hindu activists who were arrested were acquitted later without any evidence to prove and here Aloor Shanavas has given his reasons behind who must be the forces who executed him . I am sharing this here as not only in Shankara Raman murder case but in all other high profile murders we must not rush in to immediate conclusion before hand itself as to who could be the real killers as many people have hidden enemies who are not know to the outside public and the reason for murdering a person can have various other meanings than what is popularly circulated .I am just sharing a piece of that article .For the full article go through the entire post in the link below .

பழனிபாபா: விதையாய் விழுந்தவர்! ஆளூர் ஷாநவாஸ் கட்டுரை
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பாபாவின் படுகொலையில் தொடர்புடைய கொலையாளிகள் அனைவரும் சட்டத்தின் பிடியில் இருந்து தப்பி விட்டனர். பாபா கொலை வழக்கை முன்னெடுப்பதற்கும், கொலையாளிகளுக்கு உரிய தண்டனையை பெற்றுத் தருவதற்கும் உருப்படியான முயற்சிகள் எதுவும் மேற்கொள்ளப் படவில்லை.

பாபாவின் ஆதரவாளர்களிடம் இது குறித்து கேள்வி எழுப்பிய போது 'கைது செய்யப் பட்டவர்கள் உண்மையான குற்றவாளிகள் அல்ல' என்றும், அவர்களுக்கு எதிராக வழக்கு நடத்துவதில் எந்தப் பயனும் இல்லை என்றும், பாபா படுகொலைக்குப் பின்னணியில் பல மர்ம முடிச்சுகள் இருக்கின்றன என்றும் கூறி அதிர்ச்சியளிக்கின்றனர். அது என்ன மர்ம முடிச்சு என்பதை நம்மால் விளங்க முடியவில்லை.

ஆனால், அவரது படுகொலைக்குப் பின்னால் இருக்கும் அரசியலை நம்மால் தெளிவாகப் புரிந்து கொள்ள முடிகிறது.

பாபா, இந்துத்துவ மதவெறிக்கு எதிராக மிகத் தீவிரமாக சொற்போர் நிகழ்த்திய காலங்களில் கொல்லப்படவில்லை. முஸ்லிம்களுக்கு எதிரான அரச அடக்குமுறைகளை அம்பலப்படுத்தி மக்களை அணி திரட்டிய காலத்திலும் கொல்லப்படவில்லை. பிற்படுத்தப்பட்ட சமூகத்தவர்களோடு இணைந்து அவர்களின் அரசியல் அமைப்பை வலுப்படுத்த உழைத்த காலங்களிலும் படுகொலை செய்யப்படவில்லை.

மாறாக, எப்போது அவர் பேச்சைக் குறைத்து, செயல் வீச்சை அதிகரித்து, ஜமாத்துகளை ஒருங்கிணைத்து, முஸ்லிம்களும் தலித்துகளும் இணைந்த அரசியல் பயணத்தை முன்னெடுக்க முயன்றாரோ அப்போதுதான் அவர் படுகொலை செய்யப்பட்டார்.

அப்படியென்றால், எந்த முயற்சி வெற்றி பெறுமோ; எந்த முயற்சி ஒடுக்கப்பட்ட சமூகங்களுக்கு விடிவைத் தருமோ; எந்த முயற்சி முஸ்லிம்களுக்கு உரிய பயனளிக்குமோ...அந்த முயற்சியில் அவர் ஈடுபட முயன்றபோதே கொல்லப்பட்டு விட்டார் என்றால், அதன் பின்னணியில் இருக்கின்ற 'அரசியல்' எது என்பதை ஆய்வு செய்தாக வேண்டும்.
 
Why did the prosecutions witnesses commit a volte-face and turn hostile? Where are the true murderers who committed the crime, who perpetrated the act of murder? We can claim Justice being done, that Dharma is established (dharma samsthabhanarthaya) only when the culprits are brought to book, convicted and sentenced. Until then this land cannot claim to be a land of Dharma.
 
Why did the prosecutions witnesses commit a volte-face and turn hostile? Where are the true murderers who committed the crime, who perpetrated the act of murder? We can claim Justice being done, that Dharma is established (dharma samsthabhanarthaya) only when the culprits are brought to book, convicted and sentenced. Until then this land cannot claim to be a land of Dharma.

The murder victim Sankararaman was a pain in the **** of the Pontiifs. It appears that he had no other activity and he had been continuously writing letters critical of the Mutt and the Pontiffs under an assumed name of some Ghanapathikal or Sastrikal. In the circumstances, doubt is mainly against the Mutt and the Pontiffs only.

In a way, however, I feel the kaarmic Law is operating efficiently. More people today will be asking, "how, then, was Sankararaman killed and by whom?". This will be haunting the Mutt for a long time to come. Thus a fabricated Mutt will go into decrepitude. As the Malayalam Proverb goes, வெள்ளம் கொண்டு கிட்டியது வெள்ளத்தில் (what is gained through unfair means disappears also through unfair ways!)
 
Dear Shri Vaagmi,

You are missing the point. If two persons one being a sanyasi and the other a professional killer are charged with murder, which one should you give more credence to? Of course law will take its own course in deciding the truth. The common man being easily influenced, is not the damage done to the spiritual person, due to the allegations much much greater because he is there only to inculcate values? His very essence is sought to be negated.

No sravna,

Only you are missing the point completely. I wont give credence to the charges until proved beyond doubt. For me, A sanyasi and a professional killer both are capable of committing a murder. A sanyasi does not deserve a better treatment just because he is a sanyasi and a pro killer does not deserve a bad treatment just because he is a pro killer. The sanyasi is not the neo tzar or zarina to be treated with a different yardstick. If he is innocent, he is unfortunate to have been in the circumstances in which he has invited the suspicion of the society/law enforcing agency. That is all. If he comes out clean at the end, I will say yes here is a man who had gone through a trial and come out clean. He deserves appreciation for his composure and staying power.
 
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