Science, Rituals, Jyothisham, Vaastu etc

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Post in thread 'Sani Peyarchi 2025 - Need clarification'

Tuesday at 7:21 AM

Anyone is entitled to believes. This post is only about a comment that is not correct and not with the main question which others are responding. In particular the quote from opening post is this

"Modern day science merely assumes the Big Bang (the period before this assumed event, they cannot explain). With the Big Bang as ground zero, everything else is purported to fall in place. No disrespect to science but there are things Science just cannot explain."

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No real scientist claims to have a complete explanation for everything. Science seeks to answer the "how" in a given...

• a-TB

This is follow up to the above post. I did not want to hijack that thread. . What was posted there is this . Next post will add to this starting point

No real scientist claims to have a complete explanation for everything. Science seeks to answer the "how" in a given context, rather than the "why." In fact, the deeper something is researched, the more questions arise. The Big Bang is a hypothesis, and nothing is definitively known about the moments immediately following this event. Speculations exist about events occurring 10^-36 seconds after the Big Bang, but theories like inflation are now being re-evaluated or disproven. Much of this information is available to provide laypeople with a general understanding. (I am not from a scientific background.)

There are also hypotheses suggesting an infinite number of universes. However, the existence of a hypothesis does not make it correct. Some individuals in the field of science treat their work like a belief system, akin to religion, and bring their own ideologies into their interpretations. However, such individuals are not representative of real scientific inquiry.

So, what is science? It is essentially the scientific method—a process of investigation. Interestingly, science is increasingly aligning with the idea that time is an illusion, and there is no such thing as "the future." This conclusion has also been explored through reasoning in Vedanta studies.

Astrology, on the other hand, is based on beliefs, like other superstitions. It persists because of individual experiences, but it fails to meet the rigor of scientific methods. In my view, astrology is detrimental to society, though I do not expect agreement from its believers. That said, this is not the topic here. My comment is solely intended to clarify misconceptions about science and its scope.

 

[a-TB]

Science is ONLY about Scientific Method. Nothing else. All others are just hypothesis , proved or disproved.

It is not religion like in the sense that it does not start with what is unknown (like a God in heaven). Religions starts with unknown and tries to 'explain' the known and observed.

Science starts with known and builds up to the next level of known. Unknowns are hypothesis but not accepted until validated

Vedanta is also from known to known only. That is the correct understanding But many teachers have mixed up theology with Upanishad in interpretations making the whole topic area in the domain of beliefs.

Vedanta (Gita and Upanishads) only teach oneness and not divisiveness. Science hypothesizes unification in the search to understand the universe. But Vedanta is not science but scientific

 

[a-TB]

Religions without exceptions lead to divisions. So religion and science cannot mix, religion and vedanta can also not mix

 

[a-TB]

Vedas contain ritual sections, upasana sections and Knowledge sections (Upanishad). Gita is like a upanishad too though it is a smriti. The ritual sections do not specify a kartha but it is inferred. In Upanishad sections the teaching is that you are not a Kartha (doer) or Bhokta (enjoyer). So though rituals are mentioned no divisions are directed. Smrithi's by their approach to place and time period tend to lead to divisions. All rituals today have about 5% vedic mantras, 25% Smruthis and rest are made up as traditions. Many Smruthis are inapplicable. Some like Manu Smruthis are corrupted over time since it contains contradictory messages.

 

[a-TB]

Jyothisham or Astrology is really a branch of Veda not Veda itself. It is like Grammar. So called Vedic Astrology is not in any Vedas. It started only as astronomy like predict when it would be sunrise etc to start rituals etc. What Astrology of today has no basis in the original Vedanga

Vaastu was about construction to get good air, get enough sunlight etc. Today's practice is all based on unfounded beliefs.

Both these branches, the way they are practiced are a curse on the humanity.

Let me stop here I have harsh truths to share about ritualists. May be in the future

 

[sravna]

Those who try to belittle knowledge gained by very deep intuitions as just beliefs do not have an inkling of what is real and what is not. The validation that Science gives to its hypothesis is not based on reality. It is something that can simply vanish and be not repeatable the very basis of Science . The disappearance of physical energy in face of spiritual energy is based on my first hand experience and is repeatable. Better Science than current and all of past dubakur science boasts of.

If the scientists are willing to take the spiritual bull by its horns let them show that courage and not by snide and cowardly remarks about spirituality.

 

[sravna]

Knowledge relying only on method is a body without skeleton and a building without foundation waiting to collapse. Rigor in method can be a support only and not be a replacement for logical explanations. To say that method alone is Science is reducing the discipline to a popular flavour of it, a prime example being technology based on only data, all fluff and no real substance. It is a mighty fall from the initial heydeys of western enquiry where logic found a prominent place. What sense does it make when proponents of such shaky and dubakur science talk of unfounded beliefs of astrology?

Intuitions especially of the revered rishis are strongly rooted in reality. To dismiss them is to dismiss a basis of knowledge but embracing a shaky logical system such as the current flavour of technology driven science.

 

[a-TB]

Those who try to belittle knowledge gained by very deep intuitions as just beliefs do not have an inkling of what is real and what is not. The validation that Science gives to its hypothesis is not based on reality. It is something that can simply vanish and be not repeatable the very basis of Science . The disappearance of physical energy in face of spiritual energy is based on my first hand experience and is repeatable. Better Science than current and all of past dubakur science boasts of.

If the scientists are willing to take the spiritual bull by its horns let them show that courage and not by snide and cowardly remarks about spirituality.

I normally do not like to read or engage with your posts. Let me say something once and I mean it respectfully

Over the last decade you have been promoting your personal energy of sorts as above - "The disappearance of physical energy in face of spiritual energy is based on my first hand experience"

I am sure your experience you feel is real. For most the world , it is delusional. If anyone I cared about said this I would advice them to get the help of a competent Psychiatrist.

If your subjective experience is your proof , then writing here is not useful. You should first ensure you get a certificate from a qualified psychiatrist that mentally all is fine and record your experience and send to scientists at ISRO or IIT or TIFR

Until then it is kind of rude to get your delusional ideas into other threads promoting your energy. This actually lowers the value of this forum for all.

The forum owner has been kind to let you have your own thread and if people dont visit them , you should not go into other threads to derail discussions.

You also have a lot of anger at many things and delusions and anger do not mix well

Plus often your responses has been often without understanding what the other person said. That is also a red signal of the state of mind

I know you will not listen, but dear member of this forum, you are ill, you need help

I wish you well for a speedy recovery

 

[a-TB]

Jyothisham or Astrology is really a branch of Veda not Veda itself. It is like Grammar. So called Vedic Astrology is not in any Vedas. It started only as astronomy like predict when it would be sunrise etc to start rituals etc. What Astrology of today has no basis in the original Vedanga

Vaastu was about construction to get good air, get enough sunlight etc. Today's practice is all based on unfounded beliefs.

Both these branches, the way they are practiced are a curse on the humanity.

Let me stop here I have harsh truths to share about ritualists. May be in the future

Science means scientific methods only. That means that if new experimental results do not agree with well established theories, true seekers in Science are ready to give up their theory and look to understand better

A decade or more ago, String theory was celebrated since it mathematically explained both quantum world and gravitational theories of Einstein. But lack of formal proof for any of its thesis has left the theory into yet another hypothesis.

In all these, it is open mindedness and commitment to know the truth

Religions world over tend to undermine open-minded thinking.

But true seekers in Vedanta to know the book of life are always open. Intuition is verified by direct experience. And that is always in silence.

 

[a-TB]

The vision of rishis produced knowledge of upanishads and Gita, puranic stories that are not history but mythological stories to teach the truth in the upanishads and rituals & upasana in support of the same truths. We never had issues with science or mathematics as in western world. Many scientists in the western world were threatened with execution for speaking up

The true freedom of expressions thrived in the Indian subcontinent. The Vesisaehikas proposed thousands of years ago the idea of atoms and molecules. Sankyas proposed what is like Darwin's evolution.

But today is an era ignorance, propagation of misinformation and proliferation of fake gurus, Many do not bother to study properly to even know what is taught in our scriptures to get the right vision,

The first step is to say I do not know. Ever since I said that I was open minded to learn. But when I see utter nonsense propagated I sometimes speak up. I am still learning

 

[sravna]

I was expecting this from you. What else can one expect if you are adamant in keeping your head buried in the sand? It is not me but you getting angry when I place the truths before you. The cold and unpleasant fact is spiritual energy is real and has been confounding their technology in a way they fing it hard to digest. Their ego is bruised and confidence shattered and so resort to all sorts of conventional smearing tactics. Your post therefore comes as no surprise.

It is convenient but utter cowardly to dismiss the whole thing as delusional and me needing medical help. Dear friend, it is your folks who need that help for unwilling to accept truths that don't align with their bizarre ideas and agenda.

I understand a lone person fighting a nation and strongly prevailing may seem incredible and hard to accept truth but if you care to understand and accept truths that stare at you starkly I would salute you for the ethical stance.

But these people are not of that breed and want to hide and act under purported acts of an insane person blabbering some nonsense. Sounds very credible but not courageous or honest.

If your folks have something honest pass it on to me. Otherwise there is no point in engaging with an adamant group which has been wreaking havoc to the world by inculcating in people all the wrong values.

 

[a-TB]

The vision of rishis produced knowledge of upanishads and Gita, puranic stories that are not history but mythological stories to teach the truth in the upanishads and rituals & upasana in support of the same truths. We never had issues with science or mathematics as in western world. Many scientists in the western world were threatened with execution for speaking up

The true freedom of expressions thrived in the Indian subcontinent. The Vesisaehikas proposed thousands of years ago the idea of atoms and molecules. Sankyas proposed what is like Darwin's evolution.

But today is an era ignorance, propagation of misinformation and proliferation of fake gurus, Many do not bother to study properly to even know what is taught in our scriptures to get the right vision,

The first step is to say I do not know. Ever since I said that I was open minded to learn. But when I see utter nonsense propagated I sometimes speak up. I am still learning

Upanishad and Gita cannot be learnt like any other subject. It has to touch one's life. I learnt recently that there are few texts that can be understood only with wisdom and maturity and does not need IQ levels to be high. Mandukya is one such upanishad and it has only 12 verses or so and no more. Sankara's teacher's teacher wrote what are called Karikas on this upanishad - a poetic exposition of the upanishad and its profound meanings.

In those Karikas, acharya Gaudapada refutes every possible ideas, I was talking to a learned scholar and I heard a very interesting thoughts arising coming from one of the Karika verse

To understand vedas, wherein rituals are described WITHOUT a description of a doer of rituals ,one needs an enlightened person to describe about why vedas are organized the way they are. The ritual sections are organized in terms of do-dont lists. But Smrithi is needed to translate those rules into realizable practices. But a person who has memorized and knows the do-dont list cannot tell you the real message of the vedas because those so called scholars of veda are called 'kinkara'.

Kinkara means one who knows only to follow rules. One waiting to be commanded to like a obedient servant who cannot think. (Kim Karomi in Sanskrit is a Kinkara)

So our society is now full of kinkaras of superstitions with fake gurus who are leader of the kinkaras.
No wonder the real vision of the Rishis is so elusive .

To be not a kinkara, one needs to develop open-mindedness and be ready to assert the faculty of viveka. True Scientists are not kinkaras because they think and tend to be open minded. Most people in Science otherwise are kinkaras only.

With unfounded beliefs, society is producing losers in life. Religious leaders and politicians exploits the insecurity and greed of ordinary people to keep them enslaved. This keeps producing kinkaras.

With the younger generation who question everything I hope the kinkara tendency are neutralized. Let us hope society produces wise people.

 

[sravna]

To preach is one thing to practice is a different ball game. There lies the true test of a person who claims to be wise. The world is full of hypocrites who display understanding of truths but that is fake undedstanding as when it comes to practice they are light years away.

So people should be beware of such people who can talk smoothly only with the purpose of pushing their ideas.

The youth is misled by such people and I am sure if the youth become discerning enough they will move away from the dubakur ideas.

 

[a-TB]

Upanishad and Gita cannot be learnt like any other subject. It has to touch one's life. I learnt recently that there are few texts that can be understood only with wisdom and maturity and does not need IQ levels to be high. Mandukya is one such upanishad and it has only 12 verses or so and no more. Sankara's teacher's teacher wrote what are called Karikas on this upanishad - a poetic exposition of the upanishad and its profound meanings.

In those Karikas, acharya Gaudapada refutes every possible ideas, I was talking to a learned scholar and I heard a very interesting thoughts arising coming from one of the Karika verse

To understand vedas, wherein rituals are described WITHOUT a description of a doer of rituals ,one needs an enlightened person to describe about why vedas are organized the way they are. The ritual sections are organized in terms of do-dont lists. But Smrithi is needed to translate those rules into realizable practices. But a person who has memorized and knows the do-dont list cannot tell you the real message of the vedas because those so called scholars of veda are called 'kinkara'.

Kinkara means one who knows only to follow rules. One waiting to be commanded to like a obedient servant who cannot think. (Kim Karomi in Sanskrit is a Kinkara)

So our society is now full of kinkaras of superstitions with fake gurus who are leader of the kinkaras.
No wonder the real vision of the Rishis is so elusive .

To be not a kinkara, one needs to develop open-mindedness and be ready to assert the faculty of viveka. True Scientists are not kinkaras because they think and tend to be open minded. Most people in Science otherwise are kinkaras only.

With unfounded beliefs, society is producing losers in life. Religious leaders and politicians exploits the insecurity and greed of ordinary people to keep them enslaved. This keeps producing kinkaras.

With the younger generation who question everything I hope the kinkara tendency are neutralized. Let us hope society produces wise people.

There are other reasons why well meaning people fall prey to superstitions in this age of misinformation. It is hard to tell who to trust. There are many gurus from same system that fight with each other. I heard that Kanchi Mutt is not recognized by Sringeri Mutt but both claim to be founded by Adi Sankara. We dont know much about Adi Sankara's life. Two Sankara Matams argue when he was born and they differ by more than 1000 years!

How can anyone know the stories to be true. In fact all stories of 20 plus versions of Sankara vijayam are wrong. They were proved so by a great Mahatma from Karnataka region and his original book was in Sanskrit and Translation is available but it is several hundred pages. What this Mahatma did was to study the available Bhashya which is self consistent (and verifiable as true by anyone who is able to study and learn). These stories and various stotrams attributed to Adi Sankara are false

The Kinkara people will authoritatively talk about Sankara but not one of them has studied from original commentaries. If Sankara teaches that one is not born, how can there be a story that during a debate he left his body to take on a different body to find answers and come back. All sheer nonsense

Based on the analysis of this Mahatma we cannot even say if he founded any of the Matams. Someone in Sankara lineage may have done so.

There are many causes of misinformation that in the end hurts our society and delivers pain in life.

We can even conjecture that Indian subcontinent suffered under alien rule because of going away from the original teachings. It is possible to right this now. But one must be open minded to investigate and be committed to finding the truth. There is a lot to learn about this attitude to know the truth from true scientists - will be continued

 

[sravna]

India is a resilient country. The resilience is inbuilt because of the spiritual fabric interwoven in its ethos. There are actually well meaning people who really care about India and want to see it great again. But there are also dubakur people who feign care but really do not so.

India will become righteous again. It does not scream it is exceptional and is truly inclusive. It has the right leadership and not dubakur leadership which can make a country a laughing stock.

Let people worry about their own problems instead of analyzing others and offering solutions which are not sought.

All the best

 

[OKO]

The reality is that science or the scientific research method is also considered a belief system by many philosophers (a quick Google search will prove the ongoing heated debate on this topic). This is because the scientific thought process, particularly in subjects like math and physics, is founded on an induction, which is founded on another induction. This is to say that the science that we laud as the truth is itself, not the end.

Now, if you wish to claim that since religion is an unfounded hypothesis, then you are very much allowed to do so, but do understand that the same is applicable to science as well.

Both of you have been bickering over this without understanding that neither of you are wrong, nor are you right. Each of us are entitled to our own opinions but to assert it as the truth is incorrect.

IMHO, I believe a-TB has to read up on good articles or books on science as a belief system, and Sravna ought to read up on good sources regarding the philosophy of theology and the science behind it. If either of you would like any specific recommendations do reach out to me via private messages or through the thread.

Before ending this post I would like to assert that nothing I said has come out of malice but are just thoughts that came to me while going through this thread. If I have offended anyone in that process, I apologise from the bottom of my heart.

 

[sravna]

The reality is that science or the scientific research method is also considered a belief system by many philosophers (a quick Google search will prove the ongoing heated debate on this topic). This is because the scientific thought process, particularly in subjects like math and physics, is founded on an induction, which is founded on another induction. This is to say that the science that we laud as the truth is itself, not the end.

Now, if you wish to claim that since religion is an unfounded hypothesis, then you are very much allowed to do so, but do understand that the same is applicable to science as well.

Both of you have been bickering over this without understanding that neither of you are wrong, nor are you right. Each of us are entitled to our own opinions but to assert it as the truth is incorrect.

IMHO, I believe a-TB has to read up on good articles or books on science as a belief system, and Sravna ought to read up on good sources regarding the philosophy of theology and the science behind it. If either of you would like any specific recommendations do reach out to me via private messages or through the thread.

Before ending this post I would like to assert that nothing I said has come out of malice but are just thoughts that came to me while going through this thread. If I have offended anyone in that process, I apologise from the bottom of my heart.

Dear OKO,

The maxim in the physical world is differences in views have to exist so that you exchange them, debate them and fight over them and eventually i mean at the very end agree on the truth. As ,long there is no bloodshed there is no hurry to read up on anything though it is a good idea. Let there be at least an iota of fresh breath in the arguments and there is no hurry to come to a conclusion.

I do welcome your views though. It adds a fresh context. Keep them coming.

 

[a-TB]

The reality is that science or the scientific research method is also considered a belief system by many philosophers (a quick Google search will prove the ongoing heated debate on this topic). This is because the scientific thought process, particularly in subjects like math and physics, is founded on an induction, which is founded on another induction. This is to say that the science that we laud as the truth is itself, not the end.

Now, if you wish to claim that since religion is an unfounded hypothesis, then you are very much allowed to do so, but do understand that the same is applicable to science as well.

Both of you have been bickering over this without understanding that neither of you are wrong, nor are you right. Each of us are entitled to our own opinions but to assert it as the truth is incorrect.

IMHO, I believe a-TB has to read up on good articles or books on science as a belief system, and Sravna ought to read up on good sources regarding the philosophy of theology and the science behind it. If either of you would like any specific recommendations do reach out to me via private messages or through the thread.

Before ending this post I would like to assert that nothing I said has come out of malice but are just thoughts that came to me while going through this thread. If I have offended anyone in that process, I apologise from the bottom of my heart.

I think I would suggest you read up the whole thread again before responding. I welcome your views

I only responded to Mr Sravana only once in this thread (and possibly only this one time in many years) and I dont want to repeat them. I do not read Mr Sravana's posts here or elsewhere as noted earlier for reasons cited earlier. I wish him well. So there is no debate thus far. I have not read or agreed or refuted anything that he may have said beyond that one response to call it a debate.

Addressing your point about the Scientific Method being referred to as a belief: this perspective stems from how people define the Scientific Method and the arguments they present. However, there is a specific reason I did not frame it in that way here.

There are significant issues with the Newton-Cartesian model, which has influenced scientific thought for a long time and continues to do so. These models have inherent limitations.

The great philosopher Immanuel Kant wrote, several hundred years ago, about the flaws in such frameworks. I’m not sure if you have read or browsed through Kant’s works, but regardless, the points raised in this thread are separate from that discussion. What I have stated here about science in this thread is, in my view, not refutable.

What I have emphasized thus far is that science is defined purely as the Scientific Method—not as its hypotheses or all of its claimed applications. Please understand that the key point I’ve highlighted is what I consider remarkable about the Scientific Method: its openness to new data and ideas of interpretation and its commitment to the search for truth. However, the science of today, by its very nature, falls short in one area—an area addressed by Vedantic studies: meta-science. I will refrain from going into further detail on that here. But commitment to search for truth, commitment to oneness (such as unification attempts at many levels), commitment to be open minded unconnected to any other factors (like race, caste, creed, national origin) are the hall marks of Science as defined here.

Beliefs are not reason based. So from what is defined above regarding Science, beliefs do not enter.

If you have specific points challenging what I have outlined above, I welcome them. Alternatively, if you have any summary points of your understanding from your sources, please feel free to share them along with any relevant references.

 

[a-TB]

Moving on

Ultimate truth is indivisible. However, the truths and falsehoods observed in the material world, the animal world, and human interactions, among other realms, must be rooted in a commitment to oneness. Without this foundation, one risks falling into the trap of mistaking falsehood for truth.

Religions that cater to human insecurities and greed often become divisive. The ritual (karmakanda) and upasana sections of the Vedas, while having provisional divisions, require the Smritis for practical application. This is where the danger lies—divisiveness can often creep in. Society worldwide exhibits divisiveness year after year. Similarly, those who lack a deep understanding of the foundations of science tend to create divisive applications of it.

A mind deeply indoctrinated in rituals, fanciful miracles, or unfounded beliefs such as predicting the future is inherently rooted in division. Such a mind struggles to grasp the deeper commitment to oneness.

On a human level, this commitment to oneness naturally gives rise to spontaneous compassion for all beings.

This thread focuses on the issues of divisiveness in the aforementioned areas and advocates for an approach to oneness in thought and perspective.

 

[a-TB]

Since Mr OKO has not responded yet, let me summarize from online resources the idea that Science itself is a belief and also provide criticisms of the thesis. It is a brief summary and the criticism itself is strong to dismiss the thesis

It is rather a philosophical thesis that critiques the scientific method as being, in itself, a form of belief. This perspective often arises in discussions about the philosophy of science and epistemology (that is nature, origin and limits of knowledge) .

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The idea that the scientific method is a belief stems from the notion that it relies on certain foundational assumptions, such as:

1. The belief that observation and experimentation are the primary sources of knowledge.
2. :The assumption that the laws of nature are consistent across time and space.
3. The idea that scientific theories must be testable and capable of being proven false.
4. The belief that science can be conducted without bias or subjective influence.

Critics argue that these assumptions are not provable within the framework of science itself and, therefore, require a certain degree of faith or belief.

Vedanta, which is not science but scientific, has words to point to absolute truth that does not come unde any of these critiques

Now what are some of the philosophical arguments against the above assertions?

Here is but a small list

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1. Self-Correcting Nature of Science: Science is not static; it evolves as new evidence emerges. This adaptability distinguishes it from belief systems, which are often rigid and dogmatic.
2. Empirical Validation: While the scientific method relies on assumptions, these are continually tested and refined through observation and experimentation, making it more robust than mere belief.
3. Philosophical Foundations: Philosophers like Karl Popper and Thomas Kuhn have argued that science is a methodological approach rather than a belief system. It is a tool for understanding the world, not an ideology.
4. Practical Success: The scientific method has led to technological advancements and practical applications that demonstrate its effectiveness, lending credibility to its approach. In the end,

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This kind of debate often references the Quine-Duhem Thesis, which suggests that scientific theories are underdetermined by empirical data, meaning multiple theories can explain the same observations. This has led some to argue that the choice of one theory over another involves subjective elements, akin to belief. However, proponents of science counter that this does not undermine the validity of the scientific method but highlights its complexity.

I know many believers of all kinds love to hold onto the notion that scientific method is also a belief. But that is just another one of their belief. I have tried to capture both sides of the debate here. If I have missed anything please feel free to share

 

[a-TB]

Why do I keep asserting Vedanta in the context of discussions of Science? It is also not based on belief .
The reason I assert that is because Science is NOT the ultimate truth

Human logic and reasoning has limits. But to go beyond the logic to the ultimate truth is through logic only. That is the paradox. I have explained earlier about going from known to known in Science and in Vedanta

Beliefs start from unknown and tries to explain the known. That is its flaw.

How can known to known take to you absolute truth ? This leads to discussion of vedanta teachings which is not the scope here. Long ago I saw a Youtube lecture by Swami Chinmayananda wherein he asserted (and I am paraphrasing) that means to absolute truth is through logic.

The point is that beliefs are not in the domain of Vedanta or science.

I am yet to formally study many vedanta topics. But in trying to get an overview of what is taught where I am told that Mandukya karika (part 2) is only about logic to dismiss many wrong notions

Beliefs make each one of us human beings weak. It is fine to start with a belief - but it has to be ratified by direct understanding and experience.

Now this experience is subjective by its very nature. The instrument most often (though that is not the only one) involves the mind. It is called an inner instrument. The instrument can get faulty and then it is hard to trust the experience as valid. If eyesight has cataract, one may see two moons but that experience has to be corrected by fixing the eye first.

Swami Dayanada in one of the lectures talked about all humans being normally delusional. Normal because we validate each other by collective mistakes about the nature of this world. Now what if the mind itself is flawed being that it is part of nature? Chemical imbalances can cause variety of experiences. He called that state delusionally delusional! The first delusion has to be addressed to become normally delusional Then vedanta sadhana can help correct the normal delusion.

 

[a-TB]

I am not sure I want to take each of the areas mentioned in the title and refute them in detail. But here is a general summary.

Jyothisham as practiced, along with religion and rituals (regardless of the faith), and beliefs like Vaastu, without exception, lead to divisiveness and take one further away from the ultimate truth, which is oneness. Belief in extraordinary miracles blinds people to the profound miracles present in ordinary things. For instance, as Deepak Chopra mentions in one of his books, the simple act of lifting a hand requires billions of chemical and electrical signals to occur in perfect harmony. That itself is a miracle. Miracles exist everywhere around us. However, the pursuit of miracles that supposedly break the laws of nature, or the belief that siddhis (supernatural powers) will eventually be explained by new laws, weakens the mind.

Such beliefs also weaken society as a whole.

India is home to countless brilliant and capable individuals. Over the last 25 years, many Indian immigrants arriving in the U.S. with just a bag and a few dollars have risen to become CEOs of multinational companies.

I came across a staggering statistic: the top 25 Indian-origin CEOs who have emerged in recent years collectively oversee companies with a market capitalization of over $5 trillion—larger than India's entire GDP.

Merit-based organizations like ISRO demonstrate India's potential. ISRO achieved the remarkable feat of sending a rocket to the so-called dark side of the moon, something no one else has done, and at a budget lower than that of a Hollywood movie.

Yet, faith, blind beliefs, and baseless claims weaken society. They prevent talented individuals from shining and hinder India’s potential to become the leading nation in the world.

Science and mathematics have their limitations and can sometimes be misused in technological applications. However, true spirituality—a spirituality rooted in rural India—remains a source of strength. Unfortunately, this strength is not often reflected among the educated elite, who tend to propagate unfounded beliefs. It is this spiritual backbone that will propel India to great success. Conversely, unfounded beliefs act as obstacles, which is why I have written against

Spirituality here refers to the truths pointed to by Vedanta

Swami Vivekananda in his clarion calls asserted that India will win over the world with its deep spirituality. I think its time has come now and here !

 

[a-TB]

Unless there is a response I will stop

Sometimes I ended up submitting posts without edits and did not have time to fix grammar etc. Sometimes I did take pains to ensure the post is written for clarity. Thanks for putting up with all these .

A decade ago I was ignorant and did not know I was ignorant Since then I have been studying many topics and now I know what I am really ignorant about and how to overcome. No more ignorant of being ignorant So that is progress I hope !

Hari OM!

 

[renuka]

Miracles do not break the laws of nature.
What we call a miracle is something we havent understood its mechanics yet.

Siddhas, Prophets, Messengers,,Avatars have preformed " Miracles" but they did not break any law of nature.

I was reading a book by Datta Swami where he explained about pariharams done per astrology to ward off ill effects of a planet.
He explained that any ill effect of a planet can NOT be deleted by pariharams and poojas as that would be againsts the laws of nature.

What actually happens during such pariharams is...if a person has some good karmic phase in the future years..so that good karma of the future is brought forward to the present and the current bad karmic phase is pushed to the future.
So there scales of karma is not disturbed.

For eg just say Mr XYX has a bad karmic phase from 2025 to 2028...he keeps doing all pariharams and poojas to seek help.
And just say in year 2040 to 2043 he has a good karmic phase..so these two phases switch places..Mr XYZ will get ease now but he will face his karma once again in 2040.
But Mr XYZ thinks the pariharams deleted his karma but he had no idea he merely postponed it.

Coming to miracle cures, there is something called Prana healing.
The mechanics of it are not understood as well by us ordinary people but evolved beings like Siddhas, etc have access to it.
Here again the evolved beings do not break the laws of nature..sometimes if the person they intend to cure has no good karmic balance, the evolved soul takes on the suffering of the person they intend to cure so the karmic scales again isnt tilted.

Anyway, again and again I wonder why we feel its science vs spirituality or science and spirituality are differing paths.
In science we use the intellect..in spirituality we lay down the intellect and let jnana shine through and we again use the intelllect to process this jnana into science.

 

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"and knowledge is with God alone, and I am only sent with a clear warning" (قُلۡ إِنَّمَا ٱلۡعِلۡمُ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ وَإِنۡمَآ أَنَا۠ نَذِيرٞ مُّبِينٞ) is found in Surah Al-Mulk, verse 26.
Surah Al-Mulk (67th chapter Quran)



It's good to realize that we humans are actually ignorant of most things and strive to not remain ignorant but there is always the One who is Omniscient and comparatively we are always ignorant.