Spiritual Frauds

[sankara_sharmah]

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A Stone tablet Headline in Surya Prasthan. dated ---- B.C.

Paternity Suit filed against Maharishi !!!

Menaka, a professional dancer in the court of Indira has filed a paternity suit against Sage Viswamitra claiming that the child she is carrying belongs to him. She claims to have lived with him for 10 years.

This sage has been in the news frequently.

His fight with sage Vashista (when Viswamitra was known as King Kaushika) is well known to our readers.

Viswamitra is known for his creation of his own version of Svarga or heaven, called Trisanku Svarga.

Now his followers in the Kaushika and Viswamitra Gotras are in a quandary.

It is also to be seen whether the Brahmins would be still continue to recite the Gayatri Mantra (authored by Viswamitra) in view of these developments.

Wait and see. Tomorrows news today is the Speciality of Surya Prasthan.

 

[RVR]

Firing incident at God man Ravi Sankar is now solved .

Man fired accidentally at Sri Sri's ashram: Police: Rediff.com India News

This God man is making a non-incident to claim cheap publicity.

Is it `Art of Living'?

All the best

 

[sankara_sharmah]

To say that the present day God men are Spiritual Frauds assumes that these God Men promise anything Spiritual.

The fact is that

1. They promise nothing spiritual.

2. Their followers do not follow them for spiritual advancement.

3. All the God Men promise is material advancement and most important fulfillment of desires. This is what their followers also want.

4. Read the stories extolling the God Men in the Tamil magazines. They talk about how the Godman fulfilled their desires, saved them from accidents, cured their diseases etc. etc. Not a single word about spiritual advancement.

5. New techniques, Meditation, Yoga for relieving stress, performing better in a job, improving business prospects and so on.

SpiritualProgress. No, Sir it is not for the Godmen or their followers.

The pity is that the Tamil Brahmin community is the largest following for many of the God Men.

Are we interested in Spirituality?

Most of us are interested in religion/Godmen to improve our material lives, solve our problems, cure us of our diseases.

We pray to Shani more than Shiva/Vishnu. Why? Because Shani can give you hardship. So to ward off that we pray to Shani. Why do people throng Vigneswara temples? He creates obstacles if you do not pray to him. Remember what happened to Muruga in the Valli marriage episode.

There is more crowd in the Navagraha sannidhi than in The Sanctum Sanctorum of temples.

Shiva/Vishnu will not harm you. So why bother about them? Oh. Yes. just salute them in passing. Why take a chance?

We have become totally materialistic and seek God men to find a quick solution to our problems.

Are we concerned about their not being Spiritual? No, Sir. As long as we think they can solve our problems, we do not care what they are. We have GodMen who even claim to be communists.

We get what we deserve.

The demand is for Godmen who will find a quick solution to our problems. The Supply matches the Demand.

 

[kunjuppu]

sankara,

top notch post.

personally, what i can't stand is the double standard ie spousing a shawl of piety under the ever present greed for materials.

there is no reason not to be materialistic. that is human enough. but why hide it ? or claim to have an 'holier than thou' attitude.

how many posts are there inthis forum lamenting the loss of spirtuality among the brahmins? all pretty hypocritical i would say - for it is all to the level or degree.

or as krs used to say, '% brahmin' concept ie 40% brahmins mocking at 25% !!

 

[nachi naga]

ss,kunjuppu,(krs),

best post under this thread,aptly sum's up all god men/women ever in bhu-lokam.catch my drift ,eh!

 

[RVR]

In West Bengal elite homes, Hitler is worshiped as an avatar of Lord Maha Vishnu (Kalki Avatar)

Hitler once worshipped as Vishnu in elite Kolkata homes: Historian - Yahoo! India News

Maha Vishnu avatars happened mostly to destroy the evil. I am surprised that an evil itself is considered as an avatar of Maha Vishnu.

All the best

 

[nachi naga]

In West Bengal elite homes, Hitler is worshiped as an avatar of Lord Maha Vishnu (Kalki Avatar)

Hitler once worshipped as Vishnu in elite Kolkata homes: Historian - Yahoo! India News

Maha Vishnu avatars happened mostly to destroy the evil. I am surprised that an evil itself is considered as an avatar of Maha Vishnu.

All the best

hitler was a butler,for christians.in order to protect christanity,people ascribe all crazy stuff like this passage

Clarke decided to follow up the card-flyer. The consequence was a stunning revelation of Hitler's ideological roots in Hindu philosophy and the Indian spiritualist's 'interpretation of Nazi philosophy' in a book, 'Hitler's Priestess: Savitri Devi, the Hindu Aryan Myth and Neo-Nazism ' published by the New York University Press.

hitler is an asuran rakshashan.he swayed the germans with his oratory,plus people were sick and tired of english domination of colonising the world.the great game of world domination is the cause and today the big 5 in UN are doing a decent job of dominating the world.now in this india is staking a claim,which sud have happend in 1947 itself,thanks to chacha nehru,we got relegated to vassal state of USSR.

and the beauty is,that swine hitler used our swastika design to let german know of his weakness.it's a diabolical conspiracy to malign hindus by christanity missionaries.they are the greatest spiritual frauds,imho.hitler is devil incarnate.

 

[sankara_sharmah]

Sensationalism. Please read about Savitri Devi here.

the priestess of hitler - Stormfront

We have to understand two things.

1. There were many Indians including Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose who sided with Germany. The basic idea was Enemy's enemy is my friend. Germany's was Britain's Enemy and so India's friend. The INA fought against the British.

2. There were many Indians who were taken by the Aryan mythology of Germany. The Tamil Brahmins have always laid a strong claim to being Aryans.

This is being raked up now to malign Hindus and it is regrettable that our members have become a party to it.

The term used is ""In West Bengal elite homes, Hitler is worshiped"". This is not what is said in the article. Do you want to whip up an Anti Bengali sentiment? Sad.

Talking about War Criminals, the biggest one was Harry Truman the American President who dropped the two nuclear bombs on Japan when there was no need for it.

 

[RVR]

Sensationalism. Please read about Savitri Devi here.

the priestess of hitler - Stormfront

We have to understand two things.

1. There were many Indians including Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose who sided with Germany. The basic idea was Enemy's enemy is my friend. Germany's was Britain's Enemy and so India's friend. The INA fought against the British.

2. There were many Indians who were taken by the Aryan mythology of Germany. The Tamil Brahmins have always laid a strong claim to being Aryans.

This is being raked up now to malign Hindus and it is regrettable that our members have become a party to it.

The term used is ""In West Bengal elite homes, Hitler is worshiped"". This is not what is said in the article. Do you want to whip up an Anti Bengali sentiment? Sad.

Talking about War Criminals, the biggest one was Harry Truman the American President who dropped the two nuclear bombs on Japan when there was no need for it.

Sankar Sir,

India is the land of `Mahatma Gandhi' and no force on earth can deviate from the Ahimsa path shown by the father of the nation.

Our reaction to Mumbai Terrorist Attack is the recent example. Any other nation would have reacted violently but we kept our cool in-spite of provocations. Ultimately our enemies are facing the problems with international community now.

I just highlighted the news item only to bring to the notice of this forum about the cult created by some miscreants. Blind faith is the root cause of all these problems.

All the best

 

[sankara_sharmah]

You have insulted the entire section of Freedom fighters like Vanchi Iyer, Netaji Subhas and the INA. And all the people who died in the circular Jail, Andamans.

Some of the freedom fighters died fighting for Germany. But for the cause of India's freedom.

Please visit the circular jail. They sacrificed their lives for us.

India is also the land of INA, Lokamanya Tilak, Veer Savarkar, and thousands of others who sacrificed their lives so the India might get freedom.

History has been twisted to deny the credit to all the freedom fighters except Congressmen.

Living in a state where British collaborators are glorified every day, it may be difficult for people to realize the sacrifices made by these people.

 

[sankara_sharmah]

Let us make a distinction between beliefs and frauds.

We have Sthala Puranams for many temples. They make intersting stories involving Gods. But are they historically substantiated? No.

These are our beliefs. They can not be called frauds. When we visit Brindavan we are shown many places connected with Lord Krishna. Any evidence. None. But we believe them because we believe in Lord Krishna.

We may not believe in all these stories, but we do not call them fraud.

So a small group of people believed for a short time that Hitler is an Avatara of Vishnu. That was their belief.

Who are we to question that. Did the collect money, dupe people, rape women quoting that belief. NO.

Let us leave it at that.

 

[nachi naga]

Talking about War Criminals, the biggest one was Harry Truman the American President who dropped the two nuclear bombs on Japan when there was no need for it.

Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.Harry was no isa putran to show his other cheek.True he dropped it,to show who is the boss of this world.Just becoz Indians keep showing their cheeks repeatedly when attacked,other nationalities have soodu soranai manam vetkam.

 

[kunjuppu]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t63835/

sankara,

the url re savitri is the forum of white extremists - 'white pride worldwide' is their motto. not sure how that can be compromised for us coloured folks.

netaji and savarkar, were at the two extreme poles of political belief, even though both believed that the british rule can be overthrown violently.

netaji was inclusive, while savarkar had his roots in RSS and if i am not mistaken one of the mentors of Golwalkar, RSS chief in later years.

whatever it maybe, the cult of aryan is a fringe white movement and has no credibility in mainstream western thought. i think, one hitler for them has been enough. i think, one hitler for the whole world has been enough.

all this though makes interesting conversation - secret societies, plots and hopes of an effervescent revival - makes i think, some excitement to some otherwise boring days.

not to be taken seriously. not now, anyway.

 

[nachi naga]

Sankar Sir,

India is the land of `Mahatma Gandhi' and no force on earth can deviate from the Ahimsa path shown by the father of the nation.

Our reaction to Mumbai Terrorist Attack is the recent example. Any other nation would have reacted violently but we kept our cool in-spite of provocations. Ultimately our enemies are facing the problems with international community now.

I just highlighted the news item only to bring to the notice of this forum about the cult created by some miscreants. Blind faith is the root cause of all these problems.

All the best

Pakistan is being loved by Americans.What utter nonsense understanding you have.Their aid to Pakistan has increased four times.Americans are using Pakistanis to kill INdians,becoz we are majority hindu nation and not a christian nation,and that sir is the objective.Open your eyes and see whats going in conversion.

 

[nachi naga]

Let us make a distinction between beliefs and frauds.

We have Sthala Puranams for many temples. They make intersting stories involving Gods. But are they historically substantiated? No.

These are our beliefs. They can not be called frauds. When we visit Brindavan we are shown many places connected with Lord Krishna. Any evidence. None. But we believe them because we believe in Lord Krishna.

We may not believe in all these stories, but we do not call them fraud.

So a small group of people believed for a short time that Hitler is an Avatara of Vishnu. That was their belief.

Who are we to question that. Did the collect money, dupe people, rape women quoting that belief. NO.

Let us leave it at that.

when you put it this way,i am appalled.

the bigger picture is,display hinduism in bad way.christians and islamist are doing everything under their tricks of trade to do it.its about market share.when athma is neither born nor does it die.so,religion is used to control masses,by whipping up passion and rhetoric,so that the powerful & rich dominate always,in every land on earth.

 

[nachi naga]

You have insulted the entire section of Freedom fighters like Vanchi Iyer, Netaji Subhas and the INA. And all the people who died in the circular Jail, Andamans.

Some of the freedom fighters died fighting for Germany. But for the cause of India's freedom.

Please visit the circular jail. They sacrificed their lives for us.

India is also the land of INA, Lokamanya Tilak, Veer Savarkar, and thousands of others who sacrificed their lives so the India might get freedom.

History has been twisted to deny the credit to all the freedom fighters except Congressmen.

Living in a state where British collaborators are glorified every day, it may be difficult for people to realize the sacrifices made by these people.

aye aye captain or is it kapitan!

 

[sankara_sharmah]

Historical facts:

Who gave us the Aryan theory originally. Max Muller a German.

Which language has the earliest translation of the Vedas and largest number of translated Sanskrit texts?

German.

Where were the earliest universities teaching Sanskrit?

Germany and Austria.

The relationship between German scholars and Hinduism is hundreds of years old. The Germans had a better attitude towards Hindus as they were not our colonial masters.

 

[nachi naga]

Historical facts:

Who gave us the Aryan theory originally. Max Muller a German.

and he definitely is a bum.and in his name we have institutes teaching german language for indians in india.:happy:

Which language has the earliest translation of the Vedas and largest number of translated Sanskrit texts?

German.

i think its tamizh.hindi.telegu.etc,german language maybe somewhere in 159th.

Where were the earliest universities teaching Sanskrit?

Germany and Austria.

outside india,true.achtung.

The relationship between German scholars and Hinduism is hundreds of years old. The Germans had a better attitude towards Hindus as they were not our colonial masters.

german = germ + man.germany = germ + many.

right word is deutchland and deutchlanders

 

[kunjuppu]

sankara,

i do not take aryan migration seriously, only because it is inconsequential now. the blonde, blue eyed germans have no physical or cultural affiniity to the coloured vegetarian brahmins of today.

it might have been that they had common roots in central asia milleniums ago but there are more causes of division among us than unity.

we, as a group, even feel different from other tamil castes. why should we long for kinship with some white group living far away, following a diametrically opposed religion, and a way of life, as strange to us, as those from africa?

but, it is true that during the past few centuries india as a concept has fascinated the germans. just as any other europeans. herman hesse wrote siddhartha & journey to the east, two very favoured books of the new age & culty folks. these he wrote, based on books, and before visiting india.

later in his years, hermann hesse visited india, and could not believe the glory of the ancient verse could have originated from the maladministrated and corrupted india of the early 20th century. if i am not mistaken, half way through his visit, he cut short, and went back disappointed and disgusted.

i am not here, to criticise india or the aryan theory. all i wish to say, is that this is another interesting chat topic, not much to have any daily impact to our lives, but a time pass on a boring day. that's all.

not to be taken seriously. though the thought of german affinity to india might be wishful thinking on our part.

 

[sankara_sharmah]

and he definitely is a bum.and in his name we have institutes teaching german language for indians in india.:happy:

i think its tamizh.hindi.telegu.etc,german language maybe somewhere in 159th.

There is no literal translation of the Vedas in any Indian language. The Sanskrit Scholars who were orthodox Brahmins believed/believe that Vedas should not be translated.

 

[nachi naga]

later in his years, hermann hesse visited india, and could not believe the glory of the ancient verse could have originated from the maladministrated and corrupted india of the early 20th century. if i am not mistaken, half way through his visit, he cut short, and went back disappointed and disgusted.

only indians can make their nation administred non corrupt prosperous nation.people of indian origin residing in nations other than india,do contribute in their small ways for progress.but i am sure pio or nri dont want to go back to india and live again.maybe i am wrong in my opinion.

 

[nachi naga]

There is no literal translation of the Vedas in any Indian language. The Sanskrit Scholars who were orthodox Brahmins believed/believe that Vedas should not be translated.

I would go to the extent of saying that we have no need even for Sanskrit, considered merely as a language, as a language per se. But our Vedas and sastras, which are basic to our religion, are in that language and, since they must be preserved, Sanskrit too must be kept alive

The Vedas in their Original Form from the Chapter "The Vedic Religion: Introductory", in Hindu Dharma : kamakoti.org:

yes sir,i agree with the great mahaan of kanchi, sri gurubhyo namaha

http://www.svbf.org/journal/vol1no2/chanting.pdf

 

[nachi naga]

TIRUVANNAMALAI: The controversial video clippings showing Swami Nithyananda in the company of a Tamil film actress were part of an “international conspiracy” aimed at tarnishing the image of “an up and coming young saint” from India, said the godman’s maternal uncle.
“Some people, who are envious of Nithyananda’s growing popularity at the global level as he is attracting lakhs of devotees, had done what some did to Osho Rajneesh in the past,” the man, who should be in his 50s, told Express.

In his growing up years, Nityananda, then called Rajasekaran, did not move with girls and had just two friends and they too are now into spiritual pursuits, said the uncle, who is taking care of the family business dealing in paddy and jaggery.

In those days, the outlook of the small clique of friends was different from that of others and it is doubtful if Nityananda would have even gone for a movie except for watching devotional films, the uncle, who did not reveal his name, said.

Rajasekaran, who was born in 1978 at Tiruvannmalai, and brought up in a house at Tiruvoodal Street close to Arunachaleswarar Temple, showed exemplary interest in spirituality, the uncle said.

Rajasekaran completed his Diploma in Mechanical Engineering at a polytechnic at Gudiyatham in Vellore district and was working for a company in Chennai.

It was during those years in Chennai that Rajasekaran started frequenting Ramakrishna Mutt.

Then one day he disclosed his plans to become a sanniyasi to his family, said the maternal uncle.

“We tried our best to persuade him to lead a normal life, but Rajasekaran was in no mood to listen as he was totally focused on spirituality,” he added.

Now, even close relatives had no access to Nityananda, the uncle said, and added that they had to approach his secretary, who in turn would pass on the message to the godman.

The uncle had met Swami Nityananda when he had come down to Adi Annamalai village near Tiruvannamalai during his 33rd birthday, which fell on January 8.

 

[sankara_sharmah]

I would go to the extent of saying that we have no need even for Sanskrit, considered merely as a language, as a language per se. But our Vedas and sastras, which are basic to our religion, are in that language and, since they must be preserved, Sanskrit too must be kept alive

The Vedas in their Original Form from the Chapter "The Vedic Religion: Introductory", in Hindu Dharma : kamakoti.org:

yes sir,i agree with the great mahaan of kanchi, sri gurubhyo namaha

http://www.svbf.org/journal/vol1no2/chanting.pdf

NN. This translation is 1970. Sorry there is no translation there. So your claim of translation in Indian languages is not correct. The German translation is 1780.

I know what the Vedas are. I have learnt a part of them. I do chant the Vedas. Krishna Yajur Veda. Taittiriya Shakha

 

[nachi naga]

NN. This translation is 1970. Sorry there is no translation there. So your claim of translation in Indian languages is not correct. The German translation is 1780.

I know what the Vedas are. I have learnt a part of them. I do chant the Vedas. Krishna Yajur Veda. Taittiriya Shakha

ss

i cant possible give you reference olai chuvadigals aka palm manuscripts.from the web,the most authorised bonafide acharya is kanchi matam,so i gave that link,and doc yengy,is with sringeri acahrya,so gave that link...olai chuvadigals are as ancient as the vedas itself my friend...vedas got translated in indian languages first,then only other foreign languages like german english italian french chinese etc....nice to know another yajur vedi hopefully apasthambha sutra...