Originally Posted by
happyhindu 
Hope you are not going to write off Sri Ravi Shankar as a spiritual fraud too.
Since you have also mentioned Sri Satya Sai in one of your posts above (yet again), i have decided to come out in defence of Satya Sai. Just bcoz i have moved on to other teachings does not mean that i give up on Satya Sai (SS). So yes, please consider me his spokesperson for this thread.
Previously too, i wud have discussed your arguements abt SS, but unfortunately you mentioned that "he is not from our community" - which shows that caste matters to you in such things - that sir was a huge turn off for me (dunno if you are praying to shiva bhagavan bcoz he 'belongs to our community').
I think you are quoting me out of context. Kanchi Acharyas were criticized in this forum liberally. I my self criticised the present Kanchi Acharyas of whom I am suppose to be a follower. But those postings were not removed but when I criticised Puttabarthi Sai Baba, it was removed. In that context I questioned the administrations bias towards Puttabarthi Sai Baba.
Even today I have put up a negative posting about Ravi Sankar whom I presume is a Brahmin by birth.
If you go back to my previous postings, I have liberally praised Ramalinga Vallalar, Swamy Vivekananda and others who are not of brahmin orgin
I am not raising caste politics but you seems to be interested in it.
The post was reg your so-called desire to expose spiritual frauds to the public. My stand is that your so-called desire is made of "selective rationalism" or pseudo-rationalism with a caste bias. Nowhere in the post did i mention the kanchi issue. So who is quoting things out of context.
If you have a prob with your posts on satya sai being deleted, then please speak to praveen abt it. I have not asked anybody to delete your posts, so there is no point in bringing up the point with me.
I have not seen any posts from you criticizing the kanchi acharyas - and if you did so, am not sure if that wud somehow make you a self-declared rationalist.
Please read your post on ravi shankar. You have not said anything negative abt him (so far atleast - but perhaps you were intending to start on it).
You also seem selective in your rationalism while invoking Kovoor. The outcome of your irrational side was all those posts on a mutt, which i deeply regret and have been asking praveen to delete them (i hope and pray he deletes this whole thread). By now anyways, am sure you understand that just as faith make you defensive, it works the same way for others too.
There are lot of discussions going on in other threads about who is a true rationalist and I am sure the debate will go on for ever. I am not asking the administration to delete any of the postings which were made previously including those which criticised Kanchi Mutt and its Acharyas. I am also follower of Kanchi mutt but I firmly believe in objective analysis of the mutt and its functioning . I don't know why people believing in the modern God men are so sensitive when they are criticised.
You too did become sensitive when a mutt was questioned. Hope you realise that faith is like that - for everyone it is like that - no matter where they put their faith. So am not sure where does your whole stand of exposing frauds go...those like SS is a fraud to you, but not to others...similarly those of an institution cud be frauds to others, but not to you..
Even in the Nityananda episode, i wonder if you wud have rushed to post negative comments if he were a brahmin. Am not defending him (bcoz of various things and other charges), but please let me know which ekadandi sampradaya actually bans sex per se for sanyasis? Did not Adi Shankara have sex? Ofcourse he did and it helped him to prove that the body is not brahman (it helped him to trounce the purva mimansa view of Mandana Mishra).
Again I would like you to see my negative posting about Ravi Sankar today much before your posting appreared where I have criticised him inspite of his presumed Brahmin origin.
There is a saying, `every saint has a past and every sinner has a future'. Saint Arunagirinathar was spending his life with prostitutes till he was enlightened by Lord Muruga. But after he was conquered by Lord Muruga, he never looked back and was singing only on Lord Muruga. His composition of Tiruppugazh is wonderful master piece in Tamil.
But present day God man could not be compared with him since they are continuing the misdeeds after claiming that they are Sanyasis.
Adhi Sankarar took sanyas voluntarily without any pressure and lived as a `Sanyasi'. He entered a dead body to learn the grahastashrama life for a very short duration. Nowhere it is mentioned that he had sex during that short duration.
Please read abt the life of adi shankara, his grihastashrama was not about just smiling with a wife or taking responsibility to bring home the dough to run a household. But for information's sake, please do let me know, which ekandandi sampradaya actually bans sex as such?
Nityananda was not wrong bcoz he had sex. He was wrong bcoz his claims (of jivan mukti) did not match his actions (of sex) - the accepted stand is that a man does not have sex
after mukti. Moreover there are charges of sex by deceit, force, etc against him; as well as stuff like involvement with sandalwood smuggling syndicates.
To top it, you mentioned a hotel case and put up the stand of birlas and the marwari community. What you are saying does pretty much come thru between the words. I wonder what makes you assign hotels to liquor and girls. But then I suppose, Vijay Mallya brewing liquor and his former playboy image should all be ok to you - because he is a brahmin. Again, it is the caste affiliation that will decide tings for you...
I am not an admirer of Vijay Mallaya or any of the liquor baron. I am a follower of Mahatma Gandhi who is not a brahmin by birth. When Vijay Mallaya bought the belongings of Mahatma Gandhi in an auction, I felt very bad and wrote in some other thread about my displeasure.
My admiration for Birlas (again not brahmins) for their principles is again proving that I am not a brahmin fanatic.
It is purely your imagination that I am a brahmin fanatic.
?? Did i say you are a brahmin fanatic? Why do you imagine so?
btw admiration for birlas, gandhis, etc does not decide if one is a so-called fanat or not.
While some posts were made abt so-called brahmin superiority (by others) some others came thru just as well subtly between the lines (like yours) - My only attempt was to show you (and to the others) that there are ppl who do not care abt religion wrt charity - Somehow you seem to have misunderstood that also - Going by your posts i get this feeling that you think i am somehow stopping you from your works by mentioning such things. No sir, i am not (why should i do that). And neither do i think you are a fanat; i only think that your so-called rationalism is selective in where you apply it (with a caste bias ofcourse).
But since you say it is my imagination, i shall make an attempt to accept that.
Hope you realise that its precisely this type of attitude that gives rise to the hyprocisy image of some brahmins. I already mentioned some harsh comments some NBs make abt Bs - does it not hurt? (let me also add that those comments are made by tamilians, not telugu folk - i am telling this bcoz i fear you may assign the 'prejudice' value to the variables 'telugu' and 'NB' - till date, in my observation, the opposition to 'meddle' with varnas, shastras, etc is coming from the telugu side).
Please go through my past writings where I have admired EVR in these columns who has criticised brahmins most. I have voluntarily attended his meetings and always go with the mindset that he is going to criticise my community. He is the father of Dravidian movement but he never went after any post and was interested in promoting rationalist mindset among the public which I have also inherited to some extent.
?? Again, I did not mention evr and am not sure why you are mentioning him here. Reg EVR, if he wanted he cud have very well started a social movement not connected with politics. But the fact that he indulged in physical violence shows that was far from the gentleman that the dk parties portray him to be.
So i request you to leave aside caste affiliation in this thread. Let us discuss the person for what he is worth. To begin with, let me start with my own observations - i myself have seen vibhuti coming out of the pix of SS. Please explain from your rational stand, how did that happen?
I think you are only bringing caste affiliation in this forum. Before pointing the finger on the other, please make a honest self introspection.
Let us have a neutral venue and fraud proof conditions where you bring out Vibhuthi or any other material from a pix of SS or any other God man. I have already announced a reward of Rs. 5 lakhs which you can very well take it and make me poor to that extent if you can perform a miracle. Otherwise whatever experience you are having, please keep it within yourself and don't make any claims.
Thanks for the money offer...please take it to a zen master and ask him for wisdom, let me know if he gives it....The attitude of associative sense of self (some call it mamakara) and materialism while approching these things do not produce results...money has never decided anyone's dignity or values or proved anything..but some ppl think so, out of ignorance.
Renu has also made "claims" abt her brother being cured - i do not know on what basis you can say others must "keep it within youself and not make any claims"...
regards.
