Spiritual Frauds

[KRS]

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Dear Sri Kunjuppu Ji,

Sorry sir. Shame on you. I did not 'kick you out'. You sir, resigned as a moderator. You did not stand up to Jamadagneya. If you recollect, when he posted his threats, you sir called me for the first time on the phoneand asked me to deal with him. And I was the onewho banned him.

Sir, I can understand your high minded sermons to everyone. But you and i know that you donot practice what you preach. So, please come on. Don't be so pious.

By the way, I had been telling Sri RVR Ji from the start not to open arguments on our Gurus as to whether they are legimate or not. He is very selective on who we should attack. And he mis interprets the action of myself as a moderator then and keeps on stating the same mis information. We have never allowed any basic questions of sanctity about the Maha Periaval, the current Periaval or for that matter Gandhi Ji. His confusion comes from not understanding the difference between what are legitimate 'policy' differences as opposed to questioning the very sanctity of a Guru.

I am sorry to say that my judgement has come true as I see a couple of very fine people in this Forum are being turned off.

And you, sri Kunjuppu Ji, please do not re write history. If you want I can reproduce the history for the benefit of the current audience so that they know the Truth.

Regards,
KRS

folks,

it looks like there are folks who have strong feelings on ravi and sai.

i think this is a topic ie godmen which divides us surprisingly more than any other topic.

in the past i have found, that when i feel uncomfortable in a thread, i best avoid it. it is a big world, and it would be unfair to either ask for a thread to be banned, or to quit the forum, because of a single thread.

the forum has given more opportunities for good feelings than bad.

the only exception to participating in a violent forum, that i have made, is when guys like jamadagneya came and ruffled everyone's feathers, many of them in his favour for extremism. i remember at that time there were only three of us happy hindu, nara and myself (though a moderator) stood upto him.

i was a moderator, and i was kicked out by the erstwhile moderator because i disagreed. then he went away and we have new moderators.

i was about to comment that we have been peaceful for a while and kudos to us. now we have a storm in a tea cup. let us take it easy.

those who wish to talk about god men, good or otherwise continue here. others avoid it. as simple as that. i hope.

thank you.

 

[anandb]

There are individuals and families who have wasted their fortunes in their erroneous belief that all these Godmen, Gurus and Matas have really something to offer to them. Actually, these people do not. If we discuss without getting into emotional overtones either in favour or against these people, I think it will serve a real benevolent social purpose, viz., the people who are actively canvassed for joining these movements who happen to read these write-ups will have an opportunity to 'stop, reconsider and then go forward', if they so desire.

Coming to SSR, I remember a news item some years back (may be 2000 or 2001) when a newspaper reporter asked him why the word Sri is put 3 times before his name, and SSR's reply was that they could not waste paper and ink for putting it 108 times! I felt that showed one aspect of the man.

Many people know that the Art of Living is in truth the 'Art of my living' for SSR but they will not speak out because, 1. they have a stake, however small and indirect (I mean the trickle down effect) it may be, 2. they have already been fooled but don't want to publicize it (such people are sometimes very active in canvassing, perhaps due to the "yaan petta inpam ivvaiyakam peRave" syndrome), and 3. they have beeen very close to the organisation and are afraid of harm if they speak out.

In my experience these rules are universal and will apply to almost all such institutions. Just as we saw some young men in Nityananda's ashram not willing to speak out, I know of a young man whose life has been completely wrecked (had a very well-paid job with a monthly salary of more than a lakh +perquisites, was married and had a child). Now he is completely in the premises of the Ashram, lost his job and confessed that he was broke. The marriage is on the rocks. Yet he wont come out, we don't know why.

There was another case in which a young man got a job at a place very near an Ashram and within a matter of months, became addicted to drugs. No one could prove that it was due to the Ashram but the man's parents knew for sure. Luckily, the boy's father took him immediately to a de-addiction center and he got cured and is working, at a different place, of course. But the parents now deny all this history, obviously because they want to get their son married.

There may be many similar instances and if someone is thinking of approaching such godmen/matajis for whatever reason, let them think twice and then take a decision.

Shri. Sangom,

It is very easy for you to discuss this issue without emotional overtones because you don't follow any guru or attached to them. But for a lot of people who follow them one way or the other it is not. I can argue on this with some amount of dispassion because I am not a devotee in the true sense of SS or SSR or MA. I am more a follower of the Acharya sampradaya and the scriptures. But then I am a nobody to comment on people who do follow these gurus and have had transformational experiences. If I do so then I am putting myself on a pedestal. How long would it take for someone to ridicule my set of beliefs and opinions?

On the examples that you quoted above of devotees being let down, these examples are plenty in all walks of life. You don't condemn the entire police system because one policeman raped a relative. You don't condemn the medical fraternity and stop going to doctors because of a few botched operations. We don't hang the judiciary because they hang a few innocent people. So please try to understand that for every disgruntled element there are many others who could have benefited from such gurus. Try calling them delusional.

We also need to know the background of such disgruntled devotees. A few cases I know of, the marriages were already falling apart when one of the spouses sought a guru. IMHO, it is better to seek such a guru then seek drugs or alcohol and become a nuisance to the society.

You find SS, SSR and MA centers all over the world with millions of people following them. I am trying to apply your criteria to them.

1. They have a stake. I don't know what stake you are talking about here. If you mean they get paid to follow these gurus, I would just laugh it off. If they indirectly get to make money (through a better career or job) because of mental peace or the meditation techniques they followed that is good. Nothing wrong with that.
2. They have been fooled. Calling all these people as fools is insulting the intelligence of these people. I cannot say more to this.
3. They are afraid of harm if they speak out. I can only laugh at this. These organisations are portrayed like some cults. One definition of a "cult" is leaving the cult invites sure death. Do you mean to say SS, SSR or some others employs goondas on the side to maintain a paranoid kind of atmosphere within? This statement is so over the top.

Coming to SSR specifically, he markets meditation techniques. And he has a good measure of life principles to follow in his talks. What is wrong with that? He has already explained numerous times why he charges for them. Is it because he has become huge that he is targeted? Why is it that in this age it has become a fashion to target gurus who have become huge institutions? In those times, Pattabhi Jois who promoted Ashtanga Yoga or BKS Iyengar who promoted Iyengar Yoga were never targetted. Even in these times Bikram Choudary, Bharat Thakur or even Shilpa Shetty marketing their own yoga techniques are never targeted. Is it because of their size? I wonder if there is an ingrained Indian mentality that if a holy man becomes an institution there is definitely something which is not right? Going by this, Baba Ramdev could be next as he is becoming huge? Baba, beware?

 

[happyhindu]

Praveen,

Can this be made into a closed thread, visible only to registered members?

 

[kunjuppu]

krs,

you do sneak in here selectively when you want to. if you have the courtesy to participate regularly, then your posts are worth something. otherwise, you are no better than those folks who peek in, make some absurd remarks and disappear.

sir, i do not, repeat DO NOT, encourage emails to my personal accounts and give out my phone numbers. you requested it when i became a moderator. out of courtesy for a senior moderator, i gave it to you, rather hesitatingly, i should say. you have called me a few times. nowadays you sent me junk mail to my private gmail which i have termed as junk & there directly it goes.

so, please if you want to contribute here regularly do so, and we can dialogue. after all, it was you, who quit publicly in a huff, over the forum encouraging swaminatha sarma. he is still here. you are not.

by the way, i was kicked out of moderation. i do not hold any grudge against it, as i did not feel right for it. but the fact is i was told in a very short terse note to the forum that i am not a moderator any more. same was conveyed to me by praveen.

btw, i never claim to be pious or virtuous or high minded. if at all i claim anything, it is the diametrically opposite of those type of attributes.

Dear Sri Kunjuppu Ji,

Sorry sir. Shame on you. I did not 'kick you out'. You sir, resigned as a moderator. You did not stand up to Jamadagneya. If you recollect, when he posted his threats, you sir called me for the first time on the phoneand asked me to deal with him. And I was the onewho banned him.

Sir, I can understand your high minded sermons to everyone. But you and i know that you donot practice what you preach. So, please come on. Don't be so pious.

By the way, I had been telling Sri RVR Ji from the start not to open arguments on our Gurus as to whether they are legimate or not. He is very selective on who we should attack. And he mis interprets the action of myself as a moderator then and keeps on stating the same mis information. We have never allowed any basic questions of sanctity about the Maha Periaval, the current Periaval or for that matter Gandhi Ji. His confusion comes from not understanding the difference between what are legitimate 'policy' differences as opposed to questioning the very sanctity of a Guru.

I am sorry to say that my judgement has come true as I see a couple of very fine people in this Forum are being turned off.

And you, sri Kunjuppu Ji, please do not re write history. If you want I can reproduce the history for the benefit of the current audience so that they know the Truth.

Regards,
KRS

 

[RVR]

எப்பொருள் யார்யார்வாய் கேட்பினும் அப்பொருள் மெய்ப்பொருள் காண்பது அறிவு

Whatever is heard from whomsoever, an intelligent will find out the truth from the same. Thirukkural

I wish every body follows the above two lines of Thiruvalluvar.

The above Thirukkural is applicable for all our activities, whether it is business or employment or a marriage alliance or buying an article or making an investment or even consulting a lawyer, medical practioner etc and off course God men also.

To day I read an article about Homepathic medical treatment.

Homeopathic Faith - Yahoo! India

Faith in a medical professional is a very important aspect in life. There are alternative medical systems like Allopathic, Homeopathic, Ayurvedic etc. There are several medical professionals in each system of medicine. Criticism is going on about all the above systems. Medical practitioners are taken to consumer court if the treatment goes wrong. However there are checks and balances in all the above and all the systems are very much regulated.

This morning I got a call from one of my fellow businessman. He wants to venture into a project investing approx Rs.5 cr. I am not going to have any stake in the business which he is planning to enter nor I am going to collect any fee for the informal consultation. But still both of us use to discuss and consult each other on regular basis to develop our own business. It could be called an informal Board of the company. I instantly raised some doubts about his proposed business which he whole heartedly welcomed.

My intention is to prevent failure of my friend in the proposed business. He is consulting me just to ascertain `what can go wrong' so that he can be prepared to correct it right at the beginning. He doesn't think that I will be jealous if he expands his business. On the contrary he wants me to act as a check point for him so that he doesn't take a wrong step. This is going on for several decades where each of us take advice from others. Fortunately all of us are successful in our business ventures.

We discuss here several topics where differences of opinion prevails among us. Even for sensitive topics like `reservation for brahmins' or `caste based census' we happily discuss our views without any problem. Personally I have written that no reservation is required for brahmins which was vehement ally opposed by many in the forum. However nothing prevented us from discussing the subject openly. Each and every member is capable of taking his own decisions based on the facts and circumstances.

When I opened this thread `spiritual frauds', I just thought of preventing innocent people from falling into the trap of fraudulent God men. God men are not at all regulated. It is not my intention to convert anybody from their faith. Let them follow whatever faith they have. But at the same time, there are lot of people affected by fraudulent God men. My intention is just to prevent innocent people from falling into the trap of fraudulent God men.

There are lot of threads I don't participate which are not of interest to me. I also avoid discussions with quite a few members deliberately to avoid unnecessary conflicts. But I never asked openly to stop a particular thread or expel a particular member.

I voluntarily participated in the thread on revamping Kanchi mutt. I criticized the present Acharyas even though I am a follower of Kanchi mutt. But without going through my previous postings, I was blamed as castiest, pseudo rationalist etc. I am least bothered about these criticisms since I know that the other side doesn't have valid points to argue and are indulging in such personal criticisms .

This thread has attracted more than 10,000 views and more than 500 postings in-spite of stiff resistance at the initial stages.

If some of our members doesn't want to participate in this thread, let them do so. Let them not even look into this thread. They can unsubscribe mails from this thread postings also.

Asking the administration to stop this thread or preventing the public from viewing this thread is totally unwarranted.

EVR use to criticize our community. I have gone voluntarily to his meetings and listened to him. It has not changed my faith in our religion. At the same time, even today I respect EVR very much for his principles. I earnestly feel that because of EVR, rationalistic thinking developed in most of our minds. Even today most of these God men avoid Tamilnadu and keep Bangalore as headquarters - the full credit for this goes to EVR and his movement. People of Tamilnadu belonging to all communities avoid these God men to a great extent because of EVR effect only.

I always keep EVR at a higher esteem as compared to these God men.

Let the freedom of expression prevail in this forum.

All the best

 

[kunjuppu]

good post rvr.

as always moderate and common sense prevailing.

i wish to agree with you as to the number of families destroyed or damaged due to saamiyars. the most devastating one that i witnessed, was my immediate neighbour, who one morning left his young family of 5 children and joined meivazhi saami. that was the end of peace there.

on the other hand there may be some good coming out, if the person is smart enough just to imbibe the goodness preached. my close relative, is an ardent follower of ravi, only because she found 'art of living' a great tool to reduce stress.

this my family agrees, for now she is almost evenly behaved, and none of the bitchy behaviour of the past. so there is some good, but one has to be careful, as not to harm one's loved ones. i think many fail to draw the line here.

of late, past few months, we have been pretty good here with minimal moderation. i have once again forgotten the new moderator's name it is credit to us, and i think, even though we agree to disagree, i am gratified that when random attack on this forum comes, and it comes in many forms, we band together to verify bonafides.

good stuff!!

 

[sangom]

Shri. Sangom,

On the examples that you quoted above of devotees being let down, these examples are plenty in all walks of life. You don't condemn the entire police system because one policeman raped a relative. You don't condemn the medical fraternity and stop going to doctors because of a few botched operations. We don't hang the judiciary because they hang a few innocent people. So please try to understand that for every disgruntled element there are many others who could have benefited from such gurus. Try calling them delusional.

Dear Anandb,

I would have liked to reply in detail to the points raised by you in your post but it appears to me that this topic is a very sensitive one. Let me just inform you that somehow or the other, I get feedback about some of these godmen/gurus although I am not very interested in that subject. I would like to stop with that. If a general caveat agaist blindly following any of these groups (in effect many of them are akin to cults but people have only one life to experiment and find out which is genuine and which is not) are not relished, it is strange that when someone is exposed all of us start feeling very bad, sometimes even more than the people who were the followers of that godman who is exposed as fraud.

I would not, however, agree to your equating Gurus with doctors, the police, the judiciary etc., because these are all, in one sense temporal (as aginst the 'spiritual' character of the relationship with guru, godman, etc.) and there is some constitutionally approved machinery to select and certify someone as a policeman or policewoman, doctor or judge, etc., and there is some machinery (however inefficient or ineffective) for redressal of grievances if harm comes to someone from any of these agencies. Gurus are beyond any such standardization, approval, certification, etc., by any qualified authority (they are 'swayambhu) and there can be no way to compensate the harm caused to the disappointed devotees, should any of these gurus later prove to be fraudulent.

 

[sangom]

Dear Shri Anandb,

Some points raised by you were not covered in my post of yesterday. Hence this.

Pattabi Jois, BKS Iyengar, Bharat Thakur, Shilpa Shetty, none of them claimed/claims 'sanyasi' status for themselves; I am not aware about Bikram Choudhury's position but since he does not sport some sanyasi name like 'ananda', 'sarasvati' etc., and lives a plush life of Rolls Royces and all that, I presume he also is a householder/unmarried. The problem comes when gurus say they are sanyasis. Even according to our SAstras, one should become a sanyasi only after grihastasrama and then vaanaprastha during both of which one can live with his spouse. (Exceptions like Sankara or Ramana may be excused at least because no scandal involving them has been unearthed.) By becoming a sanyasi one is supposed to say goodbye to mundane "comforts" (not the bare necessities of life). In the case of these gurus we find the opposite; they start living in luxury and comfort, after their avataar as such gurus, things which they could not experience before! This is standing the sanyasa concept on its head. In addition these sanyasis allow their devotees to look upon them as God's avataar which does not follow as a natural corollary of the sanyasa concept in Hinduism. (We may compare Prophet Mohammad here; he forbade even his picture from being depicted anywhere and worshipped.) That is the difference and what makes people to watch them more closely, because it is not usual for any normal person to embrace sanyasa at the prime age of 20 or 30, unless it is as part of a monastic set-up like the Ashrams of Sankaracharya, RK Mission etc. (That the RK Mission functioned more like a bureaucratic set-up with a group of powerful persons enjoying and others, including one direct disciple of Ramakrishna himself, being given a raw deal, could be seen in one of the autobiographical articles written by Swami Ranganathananda, soon after he became the President of RKM.)

Since you mentioned the instance of SSR, let me say a few words. There is an outfit in my town which tries to market AOL and SSR. A batch of men and women used to come to our colony periodically, go from door to door, and canvas by distributing notices and entreating us to join their AOL classes. Once I asked them whether it would be free or at a cost. They replied in a vague manner saying that only some nominal fee will be levied. Since I knew that they charge a substantial sum, I kept quite. Nowadays this canvassing has stopped because there is not much of a response from our area, it would seem. Still one of my longstanding friends from this colony attended one AOL training session. He had to pay around Rs.900/= for 5 days' training, one hour or so per day. After the session was over I enquired how it was. His reply was that for a brahmin who does Sandhyavandanam at least once a day and does some japam, there is nothing new to be acquired from AOL; he humourously remarked that he proposed to charge for such advise to others and make up what he had lost to AOL!

Since the AOL sessions are conducted by people trained by trained instructors, etc., (I don't know how many tiers of instructors are there), I asked my friend (who retired as a senior officer from the AG's Office) how the funds collected are utilised and whether the local fellows could fudge the records and take the lion's share of the collections for themselves. He said that receipts are given to the participants but how the central outfit ensures that the share of collections due to it comes correctly, one cannot know from outside. You see, the local people are like franchisees or sub-franchisees in this marketing and they have a share-that is their stake, I referred to, and that is why they market AOL so aggressively. Small comfort that SSR has not yet patented AOL (I suppose) unlike Bikram's yoga. As regards my mention of "cult-like" atmosphere, please read:

The The great great Sri Sri NGO NGO scam scam churumuri

Conditions in other ashrams are not likely to be any different. Also, you may recall what Lenin said about the security rings in Nityananda's ashram.

MA has an ashram very near to my house and for a few years, 20-30 of her disciples used to come in a batch to our colony (which is mostly brahmin) and invite us to the functions there, whenever MA came to this ashram. They have also stopped coming now possibly because the response from our colony is lukewarm.

Many people know the past life of such gurus/matas. While that may or may not count now, discerning people will judge whether such sudden spiritual enlightenment could have befallen a person and to what extend the guru status projected to the world could be genuine.

Yet another important aspect is the source of funds of these outfits. While it may be easy to say that it is all contribution by earnest devotees or earned by the marketing of their product/s and other incidental trinkets, once you have some judgement, even rough, of the amounts involved in the gigantic projects financed by these organisations and if you have some familiarity with the size of probable income from known sources, you will be compelled to conclude that there must be some other source. If only GOI would order annual audit of all these ashramas, just as in the case of temples, the guru business will lose most of its sheen. I believe it will be good if such a step is initiated.

Incidentally, there was some remark on my statement about Sivananda. I don't know whether it was from you. What I referred to as unethical on his part was his complete neglect of his first (brahmin) wife of Pattamadai and the child born out of that wedlock, both of whom died of utter penury, his spending many years in Malaya with another woman and enjoying all comforts of life and then becoming a sanyasi to preach good conduct to other people. I was not against sanyasis having been grihastaasramis.

 

[RVR]

Sri Sangom Sir,

As you rightly said, there is no regulation of these God men. On the contrary people holding statutory positions and politicians prostrate before these God men which acts as a shield to their misdeeds.

I would like to recollect an incident involving Rajaji and Paramacharyal. When he was Chief Minister of erstwhile Madras Province, Rajaji was returning via Kanchipuram along with his officials. His officials wanted to have a small break and wanted to visit Paramacharyal. Rajaji told them that he doesn't want to come but permitted his officials to do whatever they wanted.

Some officials broke the journey and met Paramacharyal. Paramacharyal just enquired as from where they are coming. They told the actual incident and also told about Rajaji. The officials felt that Rajaji being a vaishanvaite is not interested in meeting Paramacharyal. But to the officials surprise, Paramacharyal told them that Rajaji will not use his official car for personal purposes and what he did was perfectly correct. It was a big shock for the officials and they felt very bad that they misused the official machinery.

Those days both moral and ethical practices followed by our politicians and bureaucrats were of much higher order. Unfortunately nowadays our Politicians & Senior Bureaucrats prostrate publicly before these God men and it becomes a shield for these God men to carry on their misdeeds without any fear.

All the best

 

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ToAll: The thread started by Sri RVR ji, so many views and counder views comming,but all of usfarget one thing, we always believe advertisments rush to get benefit of the advertisment, just as marketing methods to days modern GURUs flying all over the world and giving spritiual discoures and taking advantage of the todays Human beings" sufferings from unrest of mind,Buthi, lack of self confident, fear of death, wanded to earn in short cut ways, wanted live luxurious life style etc, is the main driving force towards the modern guru. We all are making them to the TOP and just asitis., s.r.k.

 

[nachi naga]

hopefully,after washing dirty linen publically,our unity can be steered to the topic of the thread.i welcome sneaker's also .

as to new age gurus amassing wealth and living a life of luxury,that is why they are new age gurus.i wonder why,old age gurus sishyas are adamant,that gurus shud lead life of penury,poverty,tatterred & torn clothes,with a kamandalam and go around chanting bhavathi bhikshan dehi?:mad2:

in fact new age guru are doing a wonderful job,of reaching a larger audience and explaining vedic truths to general public.tithing is a common practice in almost all religions.wonder why,when hindus are jetsetting ,some jealous sishyas are up in arms and slandering ??when asked to go to law enforcement agencies,just back out,giving some lame duck excuses.utter nonsense and garbage are these,so called sishyas of old age gurus.:rain:

 

[RVR]

There are quite a few new age Hindu outfits doing excellent service to the community and bringing glory to our religion. Today's Times of India chennai edition carries an article about Vivekananda College, Chennai belonging to Ramakrishna Mission.

ePaper Lite - Times of India Publications

"Vivekananda: Stellar and sagely

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

Chennai: Back in the 1980s and 1990s,the Ramakrishna Mission Vivekananda College in Mylapore enjoyed a unique reputation.It was considered the safest all-mens college where a girl could walk in without inviting prying eyes.
Its boys were rarely spotted outside the Stella Maris College and the SIET College (now JBAS); both considered neighbours of Vivekananda college.Students of other mens colleges also did not consider Vivekananda guys macho enough.
In fact,due to this image the college earned the sobriquet Samiyar College (Hermits College),which continues to be in vogue to this day.
What cant be missed is the popular perception that the boys of Vivekananda College,incidentally administered by the swamijis of the Ramakrishna Mission,are a studious lot who have no time for other aspects of college life.
That could explain why 14% of the 250 boys interviewed as part of the perception survey commissioned by The Times of India,endorsed Vivekananda as the second best arts and science college in Chennai.Overall,the college has earned a 7% popularity endorsement from boys and girls and is placed third.
While Vivekananda has been rated by the respondents as the second best institution for BA Economics and BSc Physics,and fifth best for BSc Chemistry,sixth in BSc Computer Science,tenth in BSc Mathematics;its other strength in Sanskrit and Philosophy-related courses."

The college is ranked No.2 in the Arts, Science, Commerce colleges category in Chennai behind off course Loyola College which is a much older institution and ranked almost No.1 in the country.

This type of good news by the new age Hindu outfits really makes all of us proud. Ramakrishna Mission, Chinmaya Mission and DAV (Arya Samaj) have all established educational institutions all over India and they are all running efficiently.

DAV schools in Chennai are running very efficiently and are getting state and all India ranks every year. They charge very reasonable fees and doesn't demand capitation fee.

If new age Hindu outfits emulate the above, then it makes all of us proud.

If the new age Hindu outfits appears in the press for wrong reasons, then it is a big problem for all the Hindus. As a true Hindu, we should not encourage such outfits and ensure that the good name of our religion is not spoiled.

All the best

 

[Nara]

Sri Kunjuppu Ji,
My reponse is in red below:

Dear Shri KRS, Greetings!

I know it is none of my business and prudence warns me not to tread where I don't belong, but like a விட்டல் பூச்சி drawn to fire, here I am making a comment. Please forgive me if I am crossing any line.

Without going into the merits of the case I submit to you that you are being overly harsh. When two senior members, both of whom were moderators, clash, it is heartbreaking.

peace, peace, peace ....

 

[nachi naga]

nara,

Dear Shri KRS, Greetings!

I know it is none of my business and prudence warns me not to tread where I don't belong, but like a விட்டல் பூச்சி drawn to fire, here I am making a comment. Please forgive me if I am crossing any line.

Without going into the merits of the case I submit to you that you are being overly harsh. When two senior members, both of whom were moderators, clash, it is heartbreaking.

peace, peace, peace ....

i think krs,kunjuppu are both wise and nice people.moderation is a thankless job.but off late,i think our forum has decent members posting decently.krs past posts and kunjuppus posts are really very nice and well meaning.rvr posts too is well meaning,but slander is not.

aaj janay ki zid na karo.

 

[KRS]

Dear Professor Ji,

My sincere apologies. When my name is needlessly brought up, the ego in me would not let it go unanswered.

I am mostly a silent participant in this forum nowadays. I have contributed enough in the past, in terms of expressing my thoughts.

I promise you, I will be silent in the future - irrespective of folks rewriting history. Thanks.

Peace to you all.

Regards,
KRS

 

[kunjuppu]

my apologies to you krs.

 

[Nara]

Dear Shri KRS, Thank you for your gentle response, but just one more thing,

... I promise you, I will be silent in the future

I hope you will break this promise, it will make many of us happy ....

best regards

 

[RVR]

Let us forget the past and move on to the future.

Differences of opinion are bound to be there in a forum of independent thinkers.

However such differences should not be allowed to grow at personal level. I have seen two eminent lawyers fighting vehemently inside the court hall but sharing the same table during lunch break.

We have to congratulate the administration for allowing the members to sort out the differences ourselves.

Personally I feel that I am learning a lot during all the arguments in our forum. Sometimes I have changed or modified my opinions. Sometimes I was able to convince the other side. Many time we may have to part without any solutions.

After seeing Kuthambakkam and Sri Elango, I earnestly feel that implementation at the grass root level is the key to success. I have to learn lot of effective implementation techniques from him.

Sometimes heated arguments here turns out to be a fun outside this forum. Today I had a very tough time with my German Multinational Customer. Indian economy is growing very fast and most of us who survived the recession are getting lot of new business. Unfortunately we are facing capacity limitation and we are all trying to sort out the same by expansion.

Today my German customer demanded more quantity of our products with immediate effect. I told him that he has to wait for few more weeks for our capacity expansion to take effect. He repeatedly pressurized me to enhance the supplies with immediate effect. At one point, I told him plainly that I am not a God man to create the products out of thin air. My client didn't expect such an answer from me and immediately laughed. The German told me that Indians are very much capable of producing anything out of thin air.Probably my discussions with my customer was influenced by our discussions here. Now I have started thinking whether the German really complimented us or making fun of us. But nothing is going to stop me thinking further.

Let us take the discussions lightly and move forward with more actions. We are having Swayamvaram function at Trichy on day after tomorrow (6th June 2010) and we should be happy if marriages are settled at the end of the day.

All the best

 

[tbs]

hi folks,
some ego based idiot moderators make some good forum friends
left out/kicked out....there are some wonderful members left
this forum becoz of these kind idiots did the wrong thing....truth
will prevail.....

regards
tbs

 

[RVR]

hi folks,
some ego based idiot moderators make some good forum friends
left out/kicked out....there are some wonderful members left
this forum becoz of these kind idiots did the wrong thing....truth
will prevail.....

regards
tbs

Sri TBS sir,

You are a highly learned person and I request you not to use harsh language against any body.

This forum is officially owned by Sri Praveen. But each one of us have some responsibility to make it more effective.

I always feel that the role of the moderator is a thankless job. If the moderator intervenes too much, it is a problem for the participants. If the moderator doesn't intervene also it becomes a big problem. It is very difficult to draw a fine line in between the two extremes.

I wish we all work with self discipline and make moderators life more easy.

All the best

 

[RVR]

Experience of an NGO with God man Ravi Sankar

The The great great Sri Sri NGO NGO scam scam churumuri

All the best

 

[tbs]

hi venkat sir,
i like this thread very much... its nothing wrong in reality....sorry venkat
sir....i dont want hurt anybody...but truth must prevail....infact
many opinions discussed very deeply.....even i had bad experience
with kanchi mutt...my widowed mother was not allowed to see
sri mahaperiavaal...infact my younger brother was patashala student
of kanchi mutt and very close to mahaperiavaal...he always with
mahaperivaal...he was the one of favourite student of mahaperivaal..
but i had different opinion with my own brother....so may like this
thread... some may not....


regards
tbs

 

[sankara_sharmah]

One of the things I noticed in this thread was the mention of the Purvashrama incidents of Sannyasis. When one takes Sannyasa, the Purvashrama person is supposed to have died.

My only request is that we should not be swayed by what happened in the Purvashrama. We do not judge Vishwamitra by what he did as King Kaushika.

Thank you.

 

[nachi naga]

One of the things I noticed in this thread was the mention of the Purvashrama incidents of Sannyasis. When one takes Sannyasa, the Purvashrama person is supposed to have died.

My only request is that we should not be swayed by what happened in the Purvashrama. We do not judge Vishwamitra by what he did as King Kaushika.

Thank you.

ss

what a sane observation.ditto your view.

 

[RVR]

One of the things I noticed in this thread was the mention of the Purvashrama incidents of Sannyasis. When one takes Sannyasa, the Purvashrama person is supposed to have died.

My only request is that we should not be swayed by what happened in the Purvashrama. We do not judge Vishwamitra by what he did as King Kaushika.

Thank you.

Sri Sankar Sharma,

I don't want to talk about Purvashrama if a person turned into a real saint. I would like you to see my past postings about Saint Arunagirinathar. He was spending his time mostly in brothel houses before he got enlightened by Lord Muruga. He never looked back after he was conquered by Lord Muruga.

I always believe in the statement `Every Saint has a past and Every sinner has a future'. Best example is Saint Arunagirinathar.

But a person who claims that he has turned into saint should not go after money, material or sex. If they go after any of the above, then please don't restrain me from going after the misdeeds of these God men.

All the best