Spiritual Frauds

[RVR]

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Sri Nachi Naga,

Religion is a big business. It is not restricted to Hindu religion but all the religions of the world.

Ramakrishna Mission, Chinmaya Mission, DAV schools are all doing wonderful service in Chennai.

Ramakrishna Mission movement accepts all the religions of the world. They don't even claim that they are Hindus.

Two of my children got education from Loyola College, Chennai. It is a catholic institution and is considered as No.1 college in India. They never asked my children to study bible and indulged in conversion to Christianity.

Service to mankind is done by several organisation.

India requires services of all the organisations since the demand is very large.

Let everybody do their might.

All the best

 

[nachi naga]

re

Sri Nachi Naga,

Religion is a big business. It is not restricted to Hindu religion but all the religions of the world.

Ramakrishna Mission, Chinmaya Mission, DAV schools are all doing wonderful service in Chennai.

Ramakrishna Mission movement accepts all the religions of the world. They don't even claim that they are Hindus.

Two of my children got education from Loyola College, Chennai. It is a catholic institution and is considered as No.1 college in India. They never asked my children to study bible and indulged in conversion to Christianity.

Service to mankind is done by several organisation.

India requires services of all the organisations since the demand is very large.

Let everybody do their might.

All the best

dear rvr,

our culture and heritage is very ancient.our geographical map was much extended,as its influence can be verified thru archeaology,even today.sanathana dharama,with its shad-darshans evolved over period of time.

our brothers and sisters from todays middle east,coined the word hindus a dereivative of sindus river.the mughals for 800 years brainwashed and later followed by christians for another 200 years.so hindu ,hindus,hinduism has come to stay,only becoz,the abrahamic religion is also an offshoot of sanathana dharama.not many would like this acceptance,but i do love all religion and religious people,without discrimination.there is only one truth,ekam sath vipra bahu vadanthi.

just as india has secular moorings,how many countries in the world have this vibrant diversity?a sikh PM,a christian heading the most powerful political party in india,a woman hindu as president....indians just are top of the cream...that sir can only happen,owing to lords will..

i am not writing a brief for bhagavan sathya sai baba,lest i be mis-understood.just becoz swami looks like a african,speaks telegu,and is not brahmin by birth...some people don't like him.despite that,i love him,as my guru who has reincarnated.

nachi naga.

 

[renuka]

Sister Renuka,

I am not compelling anybody to give up his faith.

But at the same time, people should not give up their scientific temperament.

It is up to each and every individual to choose his path.

I can also narrate incidents of failures involving God man including the gentleman whom you have mentioned. I have several stories of these incidents of failure with me. I am not going to publish any of them since my objective is to create a scientific mind set on our youngsters. They should question everything and should not accept any thing without verification.

Infact every brahmin youth after Upanayanam is suppose to go in search of truth. That is the significance of Upanayanam.

EVR movement helped in refining my thinking. But his party had a single point agenda of brahmin bashing.

On the contrary Dr.Abraham Kovoor went after God man and during his life time, nobody was able to snatch the Rs. 1 lakh offer from him. He went after truth in each and every claim of God men and exposed them before the public.

One of the real life incidents became an awarding winning film `Punar Janmam' in Malayalam. I got attracted to him only after seeing the film at my young age.

In both his books`Begone God man' and `Gods, Demons and Spirits', he has exposed the claims of God man.

I wish all our youngsters read the above books.

I am only continuing his mission in a small way. I just wanted to continue his mission and announced a reward of Rs.5 lakhs.

All the best

All the best

Dear RVR anna,

May be no one wanted to take up Dr Kovoor's offer of 1 lakh because he was commercializing even Divinity...
Only a fraud will take up a challenge for money...

Truth does not need evidence...Truth speaks for itself....
Truth speaks silently like a rose in the language of fragrance and not through transaction...

Anna, what is 5 lakhs ?
Just hold a match at a stack of 5 lakhs notes...
What will you get?

Ashes to ashes
Dust to dust
How long do you think...
Money would last?


renu

 

[Nara]

....
I am not compelling anybody to give up his faith.

But at the same time, people should not give up their scientific temperament.

Dear RVR sir,

I have three questions for you my friend and brother. I welcome a reasoned and unemotional conversation.

Question 1:
In our discussions on varna/caste system my view was similar to the above, no compulsion, but encouraging people to grow out of caste feelings. At that time you were quite opposed, you did not want us in the west to interfere, caste was a personal matter, no one has the right to question their life style. But to me faith in a godman is even more of a personal choice isn't? Why do you think speaking out against varna system is interference in the personal lives of individuals, but speaking out against their choice of godman is not?

Question 2:
How do you differentiate between a godman unworthy of reverence and an acharya who is worthy of it? In other words, what makes one godman an acharya to be revered, and another a scoundrel to be despised?

Question 3:
Abraham Kovoor was a rationalist who did not accept superstitious and supernatural beliefs. He believed in science. On this basis he was contemptuous of all godman/acharya. He went after certain godmen because of their public display of supposed supernatural powers with his Rs. 1 Lakh challenge. At present there is a one million dollar challenge by James Randi Educational Foundation who can demonstrate any paranormal claim. Please visit this site for details and a log of attempted claims.

Kovoor was opposed to all irrational beliefs. So is Randi. There are no holy cows for them. So, if you indeed want to continue Kovoor's mission, don't you think you have to go after all supernatural beliefs, including the ones believed by smartha and srivaishnava matams? For just a sample of the kinds of beliefs they hold, please refer to my post under the thread Adoration. You should be ready to challenge beliefs such as ability of acharya to predict transfer of a college professor. You should be ready to challenge the ability of astrologers to predict this or that. Would your Rs 5 laks challenge include these as well? If yes, I will join you with an offer of another Rs. 5 Laks. So the pot now is Rs. 10 Laks for anyone who can prove under the conditions outlined by James Randi any claims of supernatural powers of any guru/acharya/godman from any institution.

Thank you....

 

[kunjuppu]

nachi - a request

nachi,

some of your recent posts are highlighted in blue with bigger fonts.

i think it has been the tradition of this forum, to use only verdana size 2 type in black for normal conversation.

highlighted red has been reserved for the admins, and that too, only font size 2.

so, perhaps, in deference to the tradition of this forum, can you please limit to verdana font size 2 or its equivalent?

incidentally, the most forceful arguements are more often whispered than shouted out from the rooftops (which i imagine your bold blue bigger fonts are intended for). or maybe not. thank you.

 

[nachi naga]

re

nachi,

some of your recent posts are highlighted in blue with bigger fonts.

i think it has been the tradition of this forum, to use only verdana size 2 type in black for normal conversation.

highlighted red has been reserved for the admins, and that too, only font size 2.

so, perhaps, in deference to the tradition of this forum, can you please limit to verdana font size 2 or its equivalent?

incidentally, the most forceful arguements are more often whispered than shouted out from the rooftops (which i imagine your bold blue bigger fonts are intended for). or maybe not. thank you.

kunjuppu,

maybe not. thank you.

nachi naga.

 

[Nara]

... incidentally, the most forceful arguements are more often whispered than shouted out from the rooftops

Dear Kunjuppu, I don't know whether you get Fox News in Canada or not, and even if you do, I doubt whether you watch any of it. While I myself watch a little bit of MS-NBC, only for fun, in as much as they are obsessed with Fox-News, I get a gist of what goes on over there in the kooky land populated with the likes of Glen Beck and Bill O'Reilly. Our own hindutva crowd will fit in very well there if they were born into Christianity. The only forceful arguments they know is loud and louder. You can't shout loud enough even if you try from the tallest of rooftops. Save your energies my friend, for a worthy opponent.

Cheers!

 

[RVR]

Prof Nara sir, My catch my replies against each point

Dear RVR sir,

I have three questions for you my friend and brother. I welcome a reasoned and unemotional conversation.

Question 1:
In our discussions on varna/caste system my view was similar to the above, no compulsion, but encouraging people to grow out of caste feelings. At that time you were quite opposed, you did not want us in the west to interfere, caste was a personal matter, no one has the right to question their life style. But to me faith in a godman is even more of a personal choice isn't? Why do you think speaking out against varna system is interference in the personal lives of individuals, but speaking out against their choice of godman is not?

[B

Whatever is personally practiced, I am least bothered about it. If they practice caste or varna personally, it is their individual choice. Dr Abraham Kovoor is also against caste and religion. I also feel caste and religion will disappear in due course when scientific approach and economic development takes place. I want to leave it for natural forces and only challenge super natural powers some one claims to possess.

If some body claims that he possess more powers than you and me, let us verify and find the ultimate truth whether such statement is true or not.[/B]

Let individuals have faith on a particular god man, I have no problem.

But making claims in public that so and so has supernatural powers must be subject to verification under fraud proof conditions. They spread cock and bull stories publicly and pollutes the mind of several other people to enhance their market. It is pure business.They also destroy the scientific temperament of our youngsters.

Question 2:
How do you differentiate between a godman unworthy of reverence and an acharya who is worthy of it? In other words, what makes one godman an acharya to be revered, and another a scoundrel to be despised?

My award is open to all who claims supernatural powers. I am not differentiating between the neo God man and a traditional Acharya.

Question 3:
Abraham Kovoor was a rationalist who did not accept superstitious and supernatural beliefs. He believed in science. On this basis he was contemptuous of all godman/acharya. He went after certain godmen because of their public display of supposed supernatural powers with his Rs. 1 Lakh challenge. At present there is a one million dollar challenge by James Randi Educational Foundation who can demonstrate any paranormal claim. Please visit this site for details and a log of attempted claims.

Kovoor was opposed to all irrational beliefs. So is Randi. There are no holy cows for them. So, if you indeed want to continue Kovoor's mission, don't you think you have to go after all supernatural beliefs, including the ones believed by smartha and srivaishnava matams? For just a sample of the kinds of beliefs they hold, please refer to my post under the thread Adoration. You should be ready to challenge beliefs such as ability of acharya to predict transfer of a college professor. You should be ready to challenge the ability of astrologers to predict this or that. Would your Rs 5 laks challenge include these as well? If yes, I will join you with an offer of another Rs. 5 Laks. So the pot now is Rs. 10 Laks for anyone who can prove under the conditions outlined by James Randi any claims of supernatural powers of any guru/acharya/godman from any institution.

Certain things which are happening around us are termed as intuition, telepathy etc which could not be brought under laboratory condition. Astrology is traditionally practiced subject and no body treats their astrologer as equivalent to God. There are some text books available to read and learn astrology, palmistry, numerology. It is an open subject without any discrimination to learn and master.

Those who want to believe it, let them believe it. At the same time, I can give instances from both Ramayana and Mahabaratha about astrology. It was Rishi Vashishta who fixed `Pattabisekam' date for Lord Rama when Dasaratha was alive. But it didn't happen.

Before the start of Mahabaratha war, Duryadana consults Sahadeva for auspicious date to start the war and Sahadeva also truthfully specifies the date & time as a true professional. But Lord Krishna plays some tricks and Duryodhana was trapped in it.

My conclusion is probability theory applies to astrology. Some times things happen but some times it doesn't happen. At best I can accept astrology as an art and not a science. It is just like an economic prediction.

So astrology could not be compared with super natural powers and hence may not fall under my test conditions.


I leave it to your choice for joining in my efforts. However I am willing to associate my self with James Randi Foundation and work more closely with them in search of truth. If you can help me on that, I shall be thankful. ....

 

[RVR]

The person who claims to have filmed Nityananda's sexual adventures is seeking police protection.

Nithyananda's disciple seeks police protection - Chennai - City - The Times of India

Let us wait for further information

All the best

 

[nachi naga]

the eyes donated by kovoor,the patients have become crazy.will post the link.wish the brain of kovooor or lack of it,is also displayed in the musuem alongwith neanderthal man.

nachi naga.

 

[nachi naga]

re

The person who claims to have filmed Nityananda's sexual adventures is seeking police protection.

Nithyananda's disciple seeks police protection - Chennai - City - The Times of India

Let us wait for further information

All the best

black lenin aka karuppan lenin,has jumped from the frying pan into the fire,to be barbequed legally.

nachi naga.ray:

 

[RVR]

Dear RVR anna,

May be no one wanted to take up Dr Kovoor's offer of 1 lakh because he was commercializing even Divinity...
Only a fraud will take up a challenge for money...

Truth does not need evidence...Truth speaks for itself....
Truth speaks silently like a rose in the language of fragrance and not through transaction...

Anna, what is 5 lakhs ?
Just hold a match at a stack of 5 lakhs notes...
What will you get?

Ashes to ashes
Dust to dust
How long do you think...
Money would last?


renu

Sister Renuka,

It is not a commercial proposition when I announced an award of Rs.5 lakhs following footsteps of late Dr.Abraham Kovoor.

My aim is to develop a scientific temperament among our youngsters. They should develop questioning attitude and should not accept things blindly.

Only yesterday I made the announcement. Please wait and watch whether I will be poorer by Rs.5 lakhs.

If I am poorer by Rs.5 lakhs, I will be more happy.

On the contrary, if I am not challenged, I presume that all the claims are bogus and fraud.

Let us wait and see

All the best

 

[Nara]

Dear Sri RVR,

They spread cock and bull stories publicly and pollutes the mind of several other people to enhance their market. It is pure business.They also destroy the scientific temperament of our youngsters.

What about the claims like கூடுவிட்டு கூடு, etc. are they not cock and bull stories? Look at what Saidevo writes in his threads, no rational person can acquiesce to any of that and still be rational. Why are the activities of some religious institutions pure business and others are not? Particularly, in what way do you think Sai baba is pure business and other Mathamas are not? Why do you think Sai baba destroys scientific temperament, but not say Vanamamalai Matam or Sankara Matam? I don't necessarily disagree with you my dear brother, all I am asking you to do is go that extra mile and denounce hypocrisy and irrationality wherever it occurs.

I am not differentiating between the neo God man and a traditional Acharya.

I appreciate this stand, nobody can be exempted, whether it is viboothi from photo-frame, or predicting transfer for college professor.

So astrology could not be compared with super natural powers and hence may not fall under my test conditions.

Why RVR sir? Why do you want to give them a pass. Let them also prove by the same scientific standards you advocate, and I most readily endorse. There are well established statistical methodologies available. Our own Mahanalabis, a world renowned statistician from India, whose contribution is precisely about measuring correlation between variables that vary in scales. Why exempt astrology from scientific scrutiny?

I leave it to your choice for joining in my efforts...

First I need to be sure you are true to Kovoor's worldview. To take up the cudgel of Kovoor, you must be a dried in the wool rationalist, who rejects all cock and bull stories including Vedas, caste/varna system et al. Unless you are in line like a pig for full English breakfast, I cannot join your challenge if it is half-hearted and motivated by some hidden agenda.

Cheers!

 

[nachi naga]

re

Suspected to have had male lovers during pontificate

• Pope Paul II (1464–1471) was alleged to have died of a heart attack while in a sexual act with a page.[41]
• Pope Sixtus IV (1471–1484) was alleged to have awarded gifts and benefices to court favorites in return for sexual favors. Giovanni Sclafenato was created a cardinal by Sixtus IV for "ingenuousness, loyalty,...and his other gifts of soul and body",[42] according to the papal epitaph on his tomb.[43] Such claims were recorded by Stefano Infessura, in his Diarium urbis Romae.
• Pope Leo X (1513–1521) was alleged to have had a particular infatuation for Marc-Antonio Flaminio.[44]
• Pope Julius III (1550–1555) was alleged to have had a long affair with Innocenzo Ciocchi del Monte. The Venetian ambassador at that time reported that Innocenzo shared the pope's bedroom and bed.[45] According to the The Oxford Dictionary of Popes, he was "naturally indolent, he devoted himself to pleasurable pursuits with occasional bouts of more serious activity".[46]
• List of sexually active popes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Despite such events mentioned above,Christanity is the largest religion in the world today.Christians continue to be productive for the overall benefit of humanity...randi,kovoor,premanand basavappa not with standing.closer home,evr,muka,veeramani et al have only increased the religious leanings of people.of course muka is reformed as he accepted sathya sai baba and ammachi,two tall religious leaders in the world today.

nachi naga.

 

[RVR]

Prof Nara ji, My replies are in blue

Dear Sri RVR,



What about the claims like கூடுவிட்டு கூடு, etc. are they not cock and bull stories? Look at what Saidevo writes in his threads, no rational person can acquiesce to any of that and still be rational. Why are the activities of some religious institutions pure business and others are not? Particularly, in what way do you think Sai baba is pure business and other Mathamas are not? Why do you think Sai baba destroys scientific temperament, but not say Vanamamalai Matam or Sankara Matam? I don't necessarily disagree with you my dear brother, all I am asking you to do is go that extra mile and denounce hypocrisy and irrationality wherever it occurs.

I follow a certain philosophy and faith because my father followed it. That is all. It is not a new thing which I am creating. It is getting diluted generations after generations without asking. I am not an ardent follower of our traditional family faith like my father. My children may be much more progressive and may further dilute it.

Probably I have developed in my mind both scientific temperament and traditional practices. May be scientific temperament will overtake traditional practices over a period of time. I am leaving it to natural forces and you may call me a hypocrite.

I appreciate this stand, nobody can be exempted, whether it is viboothi from photo-frame, or predicting transfer for college professor.

Thanks

Why RVR sir? Why do you want to give them a pass. Let them also prove by the same scientific standards you advocate, and I most readily endorse. There are well established statistical methodologies available. Our own Mahanalabis, a world renowned statistician from India, whose contribution is precisely about measuring correlation between variables that vary in scales. Why exempt astrology from scientific scrutiny?

First I need to be sure you are true to Kovoor's worldview. To take up the cudgel of Kovoor, you must be a dried in the wool rationalist, who rejects all cock and bull stories including Vedas, caste/varna system et al. Unless you are in line like a pig for full English breakfast, I cannot join your challenge if it is half-hearted and motivated by some hidden agenda.

Again astrology is a traditional practice. There are counter propositions about astrology even in our bakthi literature.

Thirugnana Sambandar has composed `Kolaru Pathigam', where he says all these plannets will turn good when he keeps Lord Shiva in his heart.

Arunagirinathar also in one of his Thiruppugazh songs says that all the plannets, date, time and place will do no harm to him when he keeps Lord Muruga in his heart.

Those who believe astrology should also believe the above stanzas which contradicts astrology.

Those who predict based on horoscope, palmistry and numerology may be exempted since they learn these subjects through books and formal training. At best they are treated as professionals in their subject and are not treated as equivalent to or above God. No two economists prediction are identical. Similarly no two astrologers prediction will be identical. Both the subjects could be treated as art and hence should not be brought under scientific verification.

But let us not leave sheer fortune tellers who doesn't disclose their source of prediction. These people claim that they have supernatural powers which has to be put into scientific verification.

Cheers!

All the best

 

[Nara]

Those who predict based on horoscope, palmistry and numerology may be exempted since they learn these subjects through books and formal training.

No dear RVR sir, this is not consistent with your stand. There are many books and articles written about many a godman and exalted acharyas like Sankaracharyas and others. Just because some books are written we cannot exempt them from scientific scrutiny.

If you want to carry on Kovoor's mission, you have to subject astrology to the same standard of scientific validity. Economic theories do undergo this test. Let astrology also undergo the same tests that the economic theories are subjected to. You cannot claim to carry on Kovoor's mission if you wish to exempt astrology. Take your pick and stick with it.

Cheers

 

[RVR]

No dear RVR sir, this is not consistent with your stand. There are many books and articles written about many a godman and exalted acharyas like Sankaracharyas and others. Just because some books are written we cannot exempt them from scientific scrutiny.

If you want to carry on Kovoor's mission, you have to subject astrology to the same standard of scientific validity. Economic theories do undergo this test. Let astrology also undergo the same tests that the economic theories are subjected to. You cannot claim to carry on Kovoor's mission if you wish to exempt astrology. Take your pick and stick with it.

Cheers

Philosophy and economics are taught in the colleges and universities through formal education. They are taught globally including USA.

Astrology is also taught formally in India in Colleges and Universities. I don't whether the same is taught formally in any other country.

In all the above subjects, practitioners differ on predictions.

For example, some economics predict 9% growth, some predict 7% growth but the funal result may be 8% growth. At the end of the day we don't suspect the economist's prediction capabilities since few parameters both locally and globally will change the whole scenario. A good monsoon may result in 9% growth, a bad monsoon may result in 7% growth and an average monsoon may result in 8% growth. Again global slowdown and boom may result in changes in economic growth. As a professional, I always listen to economists but I never take their words as gospel. I always build my business plans with flexibility to meet both the ends.

In the same way, people go to an astrologer if they have belief. When they seek an alliance, they look for several parameters including astrology. They just pay a small amount for consultation and no big money deal is involved. At best it can just be treated as a personal affair which I don't want to get involved. No astrologer claims any super natural power and he just interprets horoscopes based on planetary positions.

Let us focus on things which affect the entire society. Religion is a big business. People who claim supernatural powers amaze billions of dollars. My intention is to find out whether there is any super natural power. If some body possess super natural powers, let us try and verify it.

All the best

 

[RVR]

Nityananda creates records

Please read the following news item

andhracafe.com - Swami Nityananda creates records

All the best

 

[RVR]

More about Nityananda and Bhimananda

CNN IBN news channel gives more information about the Godman

FAQ: Sleazy swamis Nityananda and Bhimananda

All the best

 

[renuka]

Dear all,

You know, i was never too fond of Nithyananda before and I never thought he was a fraud even.....but now after reading all this articles...i have to say this guy really created waves...way to go man........

I am a fan now...not as a shishiya but just as a observer...

Leave him alone....i am sure he is equally stressed up or may be not...he must be energized with all this attention he is getting.

The forum has been meditating on him ever since...
whenever i open this thread i feel as if i can hear .."Om Nithyanandaya Namah"..or am i just dreaming ?...well forget it...Jagath is Mithyam anyway...


renu

 

[renuka]

Dear all,

I am pasting a song here for all...it beautifully describes the relationship God has with all of us...

when we blame others too much,we fail to realize that there is also God in the other person.

Disclaimer: this song depicts Sathya Sai Baba...I am not promoting Sathya Sai Baba but the song is beautiful to remind us of God who is in us and everyone......


for the benefits of those who are not familiar with Hindi...i have pasted the translation.

YouTube - Jab Koi Baat Bigad Jaaye

Jab koi baat bigad jaaye ​

When any matter gets ruined​

Jab koi mushkil pad jaaye ​

When any difficulty arises​

Tum dena saath mera o hamnavaaz ​

You give mecompanionship, oh friend​

Na koi hai, na koi tha ​

There is no one, there was no one​

Zindagi mein tumhaare siva ​

In my life aside from you​

Tum dena saath mera o hamnavaaz ​

You give me companionship, oh friend​

Ho chaandni jab tak raat deta hai har koi saath ​

As long as the night is moonlit, everyone gives company​

Tum magar andheron mein na chhodna mera haath ​

But you don't let go of my hand in darkness​

Ho chaandni jab tak raat deta hai har koi saath ​

As long as the night is moonlit, everyone gives company​

Tum magar andheron mein na chhodna mera haath ​

But you don't let go of my hand in darkness​

Jab koi baat bigad jaaye ​

When any matter gets ruined​

Jab koi mushkil pad jaaye ​

When any difficulty arises​

Tum dena saath mera o hamnavaaz ​

You give me companionship, oh friend​

Na koi hai, na koi tha ​

There is no one, there was no one​

Zindagi mein tumhaare siva ​

In my life aside from you​

Tum dena saath mera o hamnavaaz ​

You give me companionship, oh friend​

tumse mil kar hua yakeen hum pehle bhi mile kahin ​

My heart now believes we had met sometime before also

Silsila yeh sadiyon ka koi aaj ki baat nahin

This is a link of centuries, it's not a matter of today ​

​

-Tum se mil kar hua yakeen hum pehle bhi mile kahin

My heart now believes we had met sometime before also

Silsila yeh sadiyon ka koi aaj ki baat nahin
This is a link of centuries, it's not a matter of today ​

​

Jab koi baat bigad jaaye ​

When any matter gets ruined​

Jab koi mushkil pad jaaye ​

When any difficulty arises​

Tum dena saath mera o hamnavaaz ​

You give me companionship, oh friend​

Na koi hai, na koi tha ​

There is no one, there was no one​

Zindagi mein tumhaare siva ​

In my life aside from you​

Tum dena saath mera o hamnavaaz - 2 ​

You give me companionship, oh friend​

 

[anandb]

I think the media which is the 4th pillar of our democracy is fast replacing the 3rd pillar which is the Judiciary as every case in the country is becoming a Trial by the Media. Since Sri. Sathya Sai Baba and Swami Nithyananda are becoming a Trial by the Tambrahm forum as well, I would like to nominate this forum to be the 5th pillar of democracy. Any takers?

 

[pvraman]

It appears so Anand Ji. New video from Swamy Nityananda.

Dinamalar Top News, Top News Stories & Headlines, Top India & World News Detail

The comments to this news proves how media can influence the public.

What if it is proven that Swamy Nityananda is framed? Will SunTV openly apologize?

Any precedence before from visual media??

Cheers

 

[RVR]

If some body doesn't want to bring out truth and help fraudulent God man, let them do it. They don't have to make wild allegations about this forum.

As I wrote earlier, one of my own relative is caught in the crossfire between Nityananda and Media. One of the members of this forum is trying to help me in saving the boy from the trap and I am greatly indebted to him. Let us hope that he succeeds in his efforts.

I don't want our youngsters to be victims of spiritual frauds. At least through this forum if we can save few people from getting cheated, it is a great service to the humanity.

All the best

 

[anandb]

The problem is the media these days wield enormous power and can sway public opinion in a huge way. Once the damage is done, it is done permanently so even if the person later on turns to be innocent, the doubts still persist in people's minds. As everyone is so busy with their own lives, there is very little time devoted to sit and analyse news. Unfortunately instead of making people think, the news channels does the thinking for them and people take it happily not because they are idiots but they have no time to think objectively.

A member was mentioning about the big news groups and their objectivity in reporting but it is a fact that almost 100% of the mainstream media are blatantly unobjective in reporting. Let's say, hypothetically, if the advertising agency of a Cola company signs an exclusive advert deal with a newspaper or tv channel promising millions in revenue for a 12 month period, is there going to be any report for the next 12 months, on the harm that cola drinks cause? But the aam junta will never have the time to think about these things.

When one TV channel or newspaper is going to promote sensationalism the others are forced to follow suit, otherwise they would go out of business very soon. Imagine the impact of all this. The media have already given their judgment and the public have formed an opinion based on that. The poor judge is under immense pressure to deliver the judgment. Even if he finds the victim to be innocent based on available evidence, can he deliver a fair judgment? He is probably going to be lynched by the media and the people for delivering a verdict against a majority opinion.

In the above event happening, democracy becomes a farce. I can understand uneducated, illiterate people coming to conclusions as yet but not people in a forum like this. Quite painful.