Subramanian Swamy – the maverick

[sarang]

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But I guess this is mere wishful thinking. We are interested more in loopholes than in justice, until the cudgel strikes individually !

More wishful thinking. The accused leads a normal full life and drops dead on 'judgement day'!

 

[rishikesan]

Swamy is plain in his talks. He is bold & because of his association and even maintaining friendship , even with opposition stalwarts. He is unique in many respects & shows his guts at the right time & earns the appreciation of people who are not real politicion or have any lean to any party .
Rishikesan

 

[biswa]

Since most politicians are corrupt, JJ has the license to practice corruption, that is not a sufficient argument.

Since some young boys become rapists, we should not allow all young boys to become rapists.

Since you have said that you are a relative of JJ, you should recuse yourself from this discussion. Nobody will believe that you have an unbiased view.

PS. MK, Sonia, etc also belong in jail.

Fine!!!

JJ has been convicted, sentenced etc. coz some judge of some special court outside of her state of domicility pronounced verdict she has acquired assets disproportionate to her income.

And some komali holds his head high in victory.

Are others innocent? (Matravargal athanai perum uthamar dhaana sollungal?)

Which politician has not acquired wealth disproportionate to income?

Barring a few, is not every indian politician a crook or scoundrel, who has amassed wealth by corrupt means?

Would SS dare file a suit against MK, Stalin & Co and the motley crowd of politicians in India for disproportionate assets?

Perhaps this post of mine may be removed by the moderators. But a few in this forum would have read this, would think sensibly and that would suffice.

 

[renuka]

Would SS dare file a suit against MK, Stalin & Co and the motley crowd of politicians in India for disproportionate assets?

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No.

The answer is simple..its a plain NO.

Swami knows that JJ was an easy target and she does not have all that great support anywhere.

The support for JJ will always be mixed.

The reason?? Becos she is an Iyengar TB who heads a Dravidian Party.

From opinions of even some members here in the past..some TBs actually consider her a Darth Vader for crossing over to the dark side.

She is a Jedi no doubt but in the mind of the Orthodox she is no Luke Skywalker.

Now in forum..we can see some rejoicing that she got arrested and brought in Karma becos she as an Iyengar had so called sinned when she dealt with an Iyer Acharya.So some are thinking she is paying for her sins.


I am seeing in forum that only the Iyengars are having a soft corner for JJ..this is understandable. We feel for who with identify with.

Now even in a Dravidian party..would JJ actually be 100% accepted as a leader?

Nope..the reason..her TB origin..she would always be viewed with suspicion and at any time the Dravids can get rid of her and install their favored man.

So Swami knows JJ has no actual support and he targeted her.

Swami would not dare target MK, Stalin & Co for disproportionate assets.

He would then be seen as a TB targeting a Dravidian and all hell will break loose.

So if he even plans to bring MK Stalin and Co down..he would have to be a mastermind and get someone else to do it for him.

He will have to play movie director and get a puppet to act out his movie.

 

[vgane]

Now SS demands Presidents rule in TN! May be the Center heeds to his request!

BJP leader Subramanian Swamy today urged the Centre to impose President's rule in Tamil Nadu in the wake of violent incidents in the state after the conviction of Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa in a corruption case.

In a statement he condemned the "sordid and shameful" incidents in the state since Sept 27 when Jayalalithaa was convicted.

Swamy demands President's rule in Tamil Nadu

 

[krish44]

Not many TBs were able to accept a tamil iyengar heading a dravidian party

my admiration for her is not because I am an iyengar.

But because , she felt for the poor of tamilnadu and is doing good thru policies and programs targetting poverty .

her programs are reaching the poor without much leakage and they are happy with her.

she took action against a godman for a criminal act and his behaviour towards lady devotees was suspect.

he damaged a mutt and brought it into disrepute.

people talk of karma and quote from scriptures specifically to target her .

religion has always been a convenient tool of the higher castes against lower .it often gets used to heap ridicule and commit atrocities against them

SS can play the BJP game and open the route for them to make inroads into tamilnadu.

dravidian supporters Of BJP like PMK.MDMK, DMDK will draw away from them very fast in course of time.

tamilnadu is in for interesting times .

presidents rule is the worst which can happen to it

 

[V.Balasubramani]

No.

The answer is simple..its a plain NO.

Doctor Mam,

In this regard, I would like to share the following information.

18 August 2010: HC refuses to direct the prime minister to decide on a complaint by Janata Party chief Subramanian Swamy seeking sanction to prosecute Raja for his involvement in 2G scam.

24 September 2010: Swamy moves SC seeking direction to the PM to sanction prosecution of Raja.

20 November 2010: Affidavit on behalf of PM filed in Supreme Court. Rejects charge of inaction on Swamy's complaint

24 November 2010: SC reserves verdict on Swamy's plea seeking direction to PM for grant of sanction to prosecute Raja.

15 December 2010: Swamy files petition in a Delhi court seeking his inclusion as a public prosecutor in 2G spectrum case.

15 December 2010: Swamy mentions in complaint that Raja favoured "ineligible" private companies Swan Telecom Pvt Ltd and Unitech Wireless Ltd in allocating the spectrum.

4 January 2011: Swamy moves SC seeking cancellation of 2G spectrum licenses.

Source: 2G spectrum scam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



2G scam: Karunanidhi sends legal notice to Subramanian Swamy

Chennai: Rejecting charges of his involvement in the 2G spectrum allocation scam, Tamil Nadu Chief Minister and DMK chief M Karunanidhi today issued a legal notice to Janata Party president Subramanian Swamy, demanding retraction of his 'statement' linking him to the scam within 24 hours.

The DMK patriarch, in his notice to Swamy, dismissed the allegation as "motivated by your personal malice, political rivalry and clamour for cheap publicity."

Karunanidhi's notice issued through counsel P R Raman comes a day after Swamy's plea in a Delhi court for continuance of his private complaint in the case, seeking to claim that it covered a wider canvas of "involvement" of the DMK patriarch.

The Janata Party leader had said he intends to file an application seeking to implead Karunanidhi in the case as there was sufficient evidence to that effect.

Source: 2G scam: Karunanidhi sends legal notice to Subramanian Swamy

Additional information available in my posting No.11 of the very same thread.

M.K last election becoz of '2G' also.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

But because , she felt for the poor of tamilnadu and is doing good thru policies and programs targetting poverty .

her programs are reaching the poor without much leakage and they are happy with her.

It is not a correct statement.Why had she not initiated any welfare programs in the previous two regimes? It is the public money which is being spent for such welfare programs. Public money is available at all times.

she took action against a godman for a criminal act and his behaviour towards lady devotees was suspect.

he damaged a mutt and brought it into disrepute.

It is not the question of arrest; but the way in which it was handled. JJ was convicted by the court with records, proofs etc.. In the case of Acharyas, it was not to be. Most of the witnesses turned hostile. However, if it is a genuine case, they should be tried. Govt. should thoroughly review the conduct of all godmen in TN, irrespective their affiliation.

SS can play the BJP game and open the route for them to make inroads into tamilnadu.

dravidian supporters Of BJP like PMK.MDMK, DMDK will draw away from them very fast in course of time.

Tamil Nadu always is a very different state. Unless the National Parties have a strong leadership with people centric welfare programs, they cannot make any impact. Dravidian ideology is deep rooted. Even Kamaraj was finding it very difficult to make a come back. JJ conducted her politics only with the above ideology, with MGR's popularity.

 

[renuka]

Doctor Mam,

In this regard, I would like to share the following information.

Dear Bala sir,

Thank you for the info..I stand corrected.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Not many TBs were able to accept a tamil iyengar heading a dravidian party

Can you cite any valid reason for dragging the case for 18 long years.??

“In perhaps one of the longest legal battles involving a political leader ever since the case was filed, the country has witnessed five Lok Sabha elections and Tamil Nadu three Assembly polls.

As the case moved, it has faced several twists and turns following the filing of associated cases and petitions. Moreover, the Special Court itself has witnessed five judges presiding over the case - AS Pachapure, AT Munoli, BM Mallikarjunaiah, MS Balakrishna and John Michael D'Cunha.

Controversy also swirled around the case after Karnataka Advocate General BV Acharya quit as Special Public Prosecutor and Bhavani Singh came in his place. Questions were raised in the Supreme Court over appointment of Singh also.

The case was transferred to the Bangalore Special Court by the Supreme Court in 2003 on a plea by DMK, which claimed a fair trial cannot be held in Chennai as the Jayalalithaa-led AIADMK government was in power.”

Source: Disproportionate assets case: Hearing on J Jayalalithaa's bail plea adjourned till October 7 | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis


Bringing in Iyer and Iyengar at this stage is nothing but a reflection of narrow mind.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

In the case of Acharyas, it was not to be. Most of the witnesses turned hostile. However, if it is a genuine case, they should be tried. Govt. should thoroughly review the conduct of all godmen in TN, irrespective their affiliation.

Chandru Ji,

I really appreciate this spirit.

 

[krish44]

Can you site any valid reason for dragging the case for 18 long years.??

“In perhaps one of the longest legal battles involving a political leader ever since the case was filed, the country has witnessed five Lok Sabha elections and Tamil Nadu three Assembly polls.

As the case moved, it has faced several twists and turns following the filing of associated cases and petitions. Moreover, the Special Court itself has witnessed five judges presiding over the case - AS Pachapure, AT Munoli, BM Mallikarjunaiah, MS Balakrishna and John Michael D'Cunha.

Controversy also swirled around the case after Karnataka Advocate General BV Acharya quit as Special Public Prosecutor and Bhavani Singh came in his place. Questions were raised in the Supreme Court over appointment of Singh also.

The case was transferred to the Bangalore Special Court by the Supreme Court in 2003 on a plea by DMK, which claimed a fair trial cannot be held in Chennai as the Jayalalithaa-led AIADMK government was in power.”

Source: Disproportionate assets case: Hearing on J Jayalalithaa's bail plea adjourned till October 7 | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis


Bringing in Iyer and Iyengar at this stage is nothing but a reflection of narrow mind.

some TBs give certificates to themselves and pat themselves and act lofty

their actions do not match their words

we should ask the other castes about TBs who have been made untouchables in their own states.

even their girls are running away to find comfort in marriages from other castes and religion.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

some TBs give certificates to themselves and pat themselves and act lofty

their actions do not match their words

we should ask the other castes about TBs who have been made untouchables in their own states.

even their girls are running away to find comfort in marriages from other castes and religion.

You have no valid ground to cite to substantiate and you are now conveniently diverting to issue to ' untouchable' and 'girls running away' ,etc. blah blah, usual stuff.lol

Try to stick to your guns and be more specific.lol

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Not many TBs were able to accept a tamil iyengar heading a dravidian party

The truth is quite the contrary. It is the ardent dravidianists and their apologists who cannot tolerate the fact that a Brahmin became the leader of a dravidian party. After all, the sole purpose of the formation of Dravidian party was to vanquish the Brahmins at least from the Dravidian land. JJ is a constant source of irritation to them. Perhaps with this arrest, their long-standing dreams will come true.

my admiration for her is not because I am an iyengar.

But because , she felt for the poor of tamilnadu and is doing good thru policies and programs targetting poverty .

This is the biggest con game, which many people fall for. Pilfer money but people are happy if a tiny portion of it trickles through...

 

[krish44]

You have no valid ground to cite to substantiate and you are now conveniently diverting to issue to ' untouchable' and 'girls running away' ,etc. blah blah, usual stuff.lol

Try to stick to your guns and be more specific.lol

you started a dialog on mindsets.

my response was only to that. .

returning to the subject of the thread,

SS has taken on more than he can handle '

people of tamilnadu will reject him and his politics lock ,stock and barrel.

they are wise enough to decide what is good for them.

the fight has come to delhi

DMK MPs went on a hungerstrike on gandhi jayanthi ' they have chosen the area around gandhi statue in parliament premises for protesting the judgement.

delhi politicians will find a way out.

DMK has a large parliament presence in lower house.

they have 37 MPS against 44 of congress.

And 2016 is not far away.

these kind of issues require a political solution.

will Modi oblige her as they have a political bonding

 

[கால பைரவன்]

you started a dialog on mindsets.

my response was only to that. .

But the only way you could respond is by indulging in brahmin-abuse, which in itself a reflection of a highly casteist mind.

I mean others dont come here and pat themselves for employing a NB driver or helping out a NB maid. It is but an ordinary thing for many because caste consciousness is absent in them. But often people who claim explicitly to be above caste are the ones who generalize a behavior to caste when it suits them.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

people of tamilnadu will reject him and his politics lock ,stock and barrel.

I think SS is not bothered whether the people of Tamil Nadu are accepting him or rejecting him.

IMO he is doing what he thinks right.

 

[krish44]

I belong to delhi

Here ones' caste does not count for much

We go by business and political sense and muscle power to settle issues.

Politicians and high level bureaucrats here will find a solution to JJ issue thru their wisdom in case it is to their advantage

I do not know of course they might decide to ignore her and let her enjoy her stay in bangalore jail.lol

 

[கால பைரவன்]

I think SS is not bothered whether the people of Tamil Nadu is accepting him or rejecting him.

IMO he is doing what he thinks right.

SS has an advantage here. When you have zero seats, you have no political compulsions. He he...

 

[krish44]

SS has an advantage here. When you have zero seats, you have no political compulsions. He he...

SS might even have dreams for becoming TN CM if BJP comes to power there .Poor man , why should he not have dreams ?

It is a free country.lol

 

[V.Balasubramani]

SS might even have dreams for becoming TN CM if BJP comes to power there .Poor man , why should he not have dreams ?

It is a free country.lol

With your experience, you can very well take a class to him as to how to go for very colourful dreams.lol

 

[V.Balasubramani]

I belong to delhi

Here ones' caste does not count for much

We go by business and political sense and muscle power to settle issues.

Politicians and high level bureaucrats here will find a solution to JJ issue thru their wisdom in case it is to their advantage

You mean to say that the politicians and high level bureaucrats at Delhi decide the fate of JJ?

 

[krish44]

You mean to say that the politicians and high level bureaucrats at Delhi decide the fate of JJ?

If that is not the assumption , Why are ADMK MPs fasting In parliament house premises ?

 

[krish44]

With your experience, you can very well take a class to him as to how to go for very colourful dreams.lol

Please do not write of SS easily.

BJP would not mind propping him up in case he can deliver a tie up with some dravidian parties.

in maharashtra, they are not averse to NCP in power sharing

They went to JDU in bihar.

In Tamilnadu some brahmins if they have enterprise can float a party and get a tie up with BJP.

anyway BJP is the only hope for TN brahmins

even Rajaji had to make way for kamaraj in tamilnadu .who wants brahmins anyway?

with 3 percent leftover in tamilnadu , they do not count for much .

even kerala tamil brahmins are better off .

they know how to look after their interests politically .

I find some recommending even kerala charitable trusts for helping palghat brahmins.in education etc.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

If that is not the assumption , Why are ADMK MPs fasting In parliament house premises ?

They are not only fasting in Parliament premises.

It is happening all around.

What is the result?