Suicidal tendency among youngsters.

[P.J.]

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Suicidal tendency among youngsters.


Two girl students committed suicide in Delhi and Ghaziabad after CBSE results were declared on Monday. In Chhatarpur Extension, south Delhi, a 17-year-old girl reportedly hanged herself from a ceiling fan. Police said she was upset over her low aggregate and felt humiliated.

Two girls commit suicide after CBSE class XII results - Times Of India

We read such news after the results are published from many parts of India

It is very sad thing that this tendency is on the increase among the youngsters.
Being born as a Human being itself is precious Gift from God, destroying it for such petty matters is cowardly.

Members please share your knowledge on ‘the best way face the challenges in real life among the youngsters so that this suicidal tendency is eliminated/or reduced.

 

[prasad1]

According to a new Lancet study, India has the highest suicide rates in the world with maximum number of young people on the brink, worse it may soon turn out to be the biggest killer in the country.
According to Registrar General of India's first national survey, 2001-03, suicides claim twice as many lives per year as HIV-AIDS and could take over maternal mortality as the biggest killer in the country with an estimated 1,87,000 suicides in 2010.
The suicide cases among the young, wealthy and educated are the highest. 40 per cent of men and a whopping 56 per cent of women between the ages of 15 and 29 commit suicide.

Author Vikram Patel said, "The most worrying trend is young women and men are committing suicide. In young women it will become the primary cause, there’s a huge social change in our country but lack of coping with that main reasons behind these suicides are depression and alcohol use."
Psychiatrist Sameer Malhotra said, "On one hand we are seeing the stress levels go up so when we talk about metropolitan cities, despite the money factor are still leading lonely lives. Two we are seeing that there some kind of disintegration of family system Patch and you miss out on those kinds of support systems."

Out of every three cases of suicide reported every 15 minutes in India, one is committed by a youth in the age group of 15 to 29.
In the Union Territory of Pondicherry, every month at least 15 youths between the ages of 15 and 25 commit suicide.
In 2002, there were 10,982 suicides in Tamil Nadu, 11,300 in Kerala, 10,934 in Karnataka, and 9,433 in Andhra Pradesh.
In 2003, the largest number of farmers -- around 175 -- committed suicide in Andhra Pradesh.
Kerala, the country's first fully literate state, has the highest number of suicides. Some 32 people commit suicide in Kerala every day.

 

[P.J.]

prasadji

The statistics shown in your post is alarming; kindly share your view how the young can be taught to face the challenges in real life instead of they throwing their body to disintegrate.

 

[prasad1]

"This is just the tip of the iceberg," says Dr S K Vijayachandran, nodal officer for Kerala's district mental health programme. "It is not youngsters alone. More people in the southern states belonging to every walk of life are killing themselves than in other regions in India."

Experts like him put forward various reasons for the dismal state of mental health among people in the South. Some of these reasons, which mental health experts term 'acute stress factors,' include:


Family conflicts, domestic violence, academic failures, and unfulfilled romantic ideals.
Voracious appetite for high-end consumer goods spurred by moneylenders and hire-purchase schemes.
The wide gap between people's aspirations and actual capabilities.
The disintegration of traditional social support mechanisms as was prevalent in joint families.
Emergence of a trend towards nuclear families, alcohol abuse, financial instability and family dysfunction.
A growing population of the aged.
Failure of crops, huge debt burdens, growing costs of cultivation, and shrinking yield.

Psychologist Mathew Kurien of the Southern Medical Centre, Bangalore, agrees. "In this modern age," Dr Kurien says, "children are not brought up peacefully. They are under pressure to deliver at school; they are under pressure to appear for competitive examinations. After they reach puberty, no one in the family gives them any advice about the meaning of life."


Dr Kurien's argument is borne out by the fact that every year, when the results of secondary and intermediate school examinations are announced, counselling centres across the country are flooded with distress calls from students. "I get hundreds of calls from students who are contemplating suicide because they could not achieve the good scores expected by their parents," says Elizabeth Vadakkekara, co-ordinator at Thrani, a counselling centre in Thiruvananthapuram.

 

[auh]

Ego gratification is one of the main reasons, I think.

The same kind of pressure existed in previous generations too, but extreme measures for failures were not widespread or common, I believe.

Today, the aggresive world out there, perhaps does not encourage humility and obedience in the minds of the children and hence being unable to cope up, or being unable to face the harsh reality of defeat/obstacles, they choose the reckless option.

Perhaps also is the lacuna in our education system which concentrates on the % of marks rather than a balanced approach to make the individual literate, mature and confident.

Competition kills the experience/enjoyment of studies.

And then, I would also say that the majority of today's parents tend to be greedy, perhaps, more than the prev-gen, in that they want theirs sons and daughters to complement their (the parents') desires.

 

[C RAVI]

1) Youngsters should not compare themselves to other youngsters..Young girls/Women and guys/Men should not compare themselves to others. One should aspire to achieve the best to the best possible level in a righteous manner ONLY and least bother about others criticism. Find the possible way out that can suite one's caliber, strengthen oneself in that particular activity and try to achieve success in that field.

2) Get inclined towards spirituality. Visit temples at least 3 times a week. Think of society as a social activists though unable to personally involved in social activities. Look around many suffering souls on the streets as beggars, handicapped people, orphans, mentally retarded folks etc and always Thank God no matter what little you get or what more you get.

3) Be attached with your family, good friends and mentors. Respect and Value relationships and elders. Associate yourself only with the people who are positive in their thoughts, words and deeds.

4) Think only the Good and do only the Good that would harm no one. Don't get tempted to Extravaganza. Before spending huge money for anything, think about other underprivileged/destitute around and do some contribution. Just giving away Rs.100 to a beggar would be enough as well. This is to keep one self reminded that TIME can put anyone in the position of a beggar, to thank God that you were blessed with something to enjoy and keep yourself happy and reassure yourself that you have the courtesy to make others happy in return, some way.

5) Admit your mistakes and don't mind speaking your mind and heart out. Don't mind the negative responses and reactions from others. Just keep yourself free from any guilty consciousness.

6) If you are too dejected in your life due failures, keep all your ambitions on the back burner and live a life that would just help you survive in a righteous manner But keep doing hard work with our sincerity, hard work and honesty. Your thoughts and deeds will take you to the place you deserve, on its own.

7) Don't succumb to you senses of jealousy, revenge and cheating. These will come back to haunt you or your near and dear ones.

8) Don't do any thing beyond your standards to show off yourself to others. Don't bother people who don't value you for who you are as an individual.

9) Be a self critique to strengthen yourself, be yourself and be respectable by others.

10) Listen to good Music, read good books, grasp and value the important messages that you could listen/get to know though any one. Spend time with kids to keep your self rejuvenated and spend time with Elders to keep them rejuvenated and learn their wisdom for yourself.



At any point of time in your life and under any circumstances make sure that, If you are not in a best position, you are not in a worst position.

 

[renuka]

Suicide is a complex situation..but from my experience as a doctor I have noted that most other races commit suicide becos of a serious problem or a psychiatric condition but Indians tend to commit suicide for very trivial reasons.

I once saw a case where a girl married for 1 1/2 years swallowed weed killer all becos her husband had to work night shift and could not take her to her mums house on the weekend.

She had swallowed Paraquat weedkiller a slow poison types which kills you even when ingested in small quantities..she took just a teaspoon to scare her husband and she ended up dying in hospital after a week.

I still remember she telling me that she wanted to scare her husband so that he will take the day off and take her to her mums house.

Most so called tactics of trying to scare husband mostly lands up in death.


I had also read before that once 2 young boys in India were disappointed that they could not get tickets to see a Rajini movie and sat on rail tracks and died after being hit by the train.

We Indians are over emotional..we have to admit that and being over emotional makes a persons intellect cloudy and that spells ruin.

Even in the movie Robot there was a scene where a girl was carried by the Robot when there was a fire and the girl was having a bath when the fire occurred and was in the nude.

So since everyone saw her..she felt ashamed and ran into a moving bus and died.

So the movie showed that death is better than so called "dishonour".

We have been conditioned to think that death is always a better option than to be a survivor of dishonour or failure.

In cases of failure in exams..society pressures children to excel and parents/grandparents brag to others and if a child fails the child is taunted and made to feel that he/she has brought shame.

So its all about putting up pretenses for society and parents pressurize kids in that process..kids are not allowed to even voice their inability to cope and end up committing suicide.

Even teachers these days..only want to take good students in their tuition class to brag to other teachers that their students do well.
No teacher wants to teach a weak student and help the child cos in case the child fails the exams the teacher might get a bad name.

It is as illogical like if a doctor only treats those who are well and not the sick..to show the world that all his patients are hale and hearty.

In the Indian scenario a lot of importance is attached to so called outward purity even though we are the same society which says I am the Atma and NOT the body.. and a person especially a women is considered spoiled and rotten if she is raped and not worth an existence..so next is suicide.

What ever the cause of suicide in the Indian scenario...its becos we have a lack of support groups in our religious set up and lack of understanding that people need help.

Other religions like Christianity have a good set up to handle problem cases and counselling is given and the victim of circumstances is never blamed for being weak etc.

I can see that some post here is sort of "blaming suicide victims" of having not followed some unproven methods of keeping suicide at bay.

Suicidal tendencies is a delicate situation and a lot of it also has to do with upbringing..there is no such thing as a person with suicidal tendencies did not do this or did not do that or he is a coward or selfish etc..

Everyone plays the blame game in cases of suicide too..we have to admit that we Indians excel in blaming the victim and never find the underlying condition.(just as we witnessed in the rape thread).

 

[Raghy]

Greetings.

I noticed in this forum many members have accepted 'poorva janma karma concept' and 'fate' concepts.

But here I see a thread discussion about suicide amoung youngsters and ways to address the issues.

My doubt is, how come members are not sweeping the suicide issue as 'poorva janma karma palan' or as 'one of the experiences those youngsters have to go through in order to reduce their poorva janma karma'?

( In reality, I deal with suicide ideations and self harm ideations on daily basis at my work).

Cheers.

 

[C RAVI]

Greetings.

I noticed in this forum many members have accepted 'poorva janma karma concept' and 'fate' concepts.

But here I see a thread discussion about suicide amoung youngsters and ways to address the issues.

My doubt is, how come members are not sweeping the suicide issue as 'poorva janma karma palan' or as 'one of the experiences those youngsters have to go through in order to reduce their poorva janma karma'?

( In reality, I deal with suicide ideations and self harm ideations on daily basis at my work).

Cheers.

Shri Raghy,

Though we Hindus believe in Poorva Janma Karma, we, like any ordinary human being do try to take control of life in a better shape and try to support other needy people too.

Considering Poorva Janma Karma, we are not hesitant to take Medical aid, we are not restricting our self from thinking out of box to find solutions and ways and we are not being cruel and look down upon people who are suffering, owing to their Poorva Janma Karma.

As every ordinary humans on the Earth, we, believers of Poorva Janma Karma, do try the best to act smart with possible self understanding, understanding and advices of others and by the mercy of Spiritual Energies.


We know that how ever we talk, how ever we advice, how ever we give counseling, people are many who would commit suicide, commit crime, be an innocent victim of a crime, be an unethical and unproductive human etc..etc, as per their Poorva Janma Karma.

But, we continue to strive hard to share good messages, all about positive attitude, righteous ways of living etc..etc among all humans, expecting positive influence on depressed and dejected humans that may help them manage with their Karma.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Shri Raghy, we continue to strive hard to share good messages, all about positive attitude, righteous ways of living etc..etc among all humans, expecting positive influence on depressed and dejected humans that may help them manage with their Karma.

Sir, Rightly said. Need of the hour.

 

[Raghy]

Sri. Ravi, Greetings.

Considering Poorva Janma Karma, we are not hesitant to take Medical aid,

You mean, inspite of faith in poorva janma karma, Hindus don’t hesitate to take medical aid when they become sick. All the talk about ‘poorva janma karma palan’ vanish when it hurts the individual directly.

we are not being cruel and look down upon people who are suffering, owing to their Poorva Janma Karma.

I really wish that were true. I have witnessed persons getting ridiculed on the basis of their birth in the so called ‘lower castes’. Once I witnessed a person was ridiculed for his ‘poorva janma bad karma’ because one of his children was suffering from polio. That person wept.

We know that how ever we talk, how ever we advice, how ever we give counseling, people are many who would commit suicide, commit crime, be an innocent victim of a crime, be an unethical and unproductive human etc..etc, as per their Poorva Janma Karma.

Really? Even in this same forum we have a thread dedicated to advice young girls to dress ‘modestly’ to reduce undue attractions. I have witnessed too many times the victims getting blamed; readily ‘poorva janma karma palan’ applied to all unpleasant situations.

we continue to strive hard to share good messages, all about positive attitude, righteous ways of living etc..etc among all humans, expecting positive influence on depressed and dejected humans that may help them manage with their Karma.

When we talk to someone about his/her ‘karma’ or ‘poorva janma karma’ we are going to eventually place the blame on that person. We even believe we are doing something good for that person. How can that be promoting positive attitude?

 

[auh]

My doubt is, how come members are not sweeping the suicide issue as 'poorva janma karma palan' or as 'one of the experiences those youngsters have to go through in order to reduce their poorva janma karma'?

How would you ascertain if that is not the case?

The death of a child will leave an indelible mark on the parents' minds and would probably haunt them till the very end. If this is not torture (my sympathies with them), then what is? And for all we know, it might very well be that the parent is getting the bouncer back to him/her for whatever karma is unloaded in this ((their) birth.

And as one other member had rightly pointed out, this existence itself is some sort of karma palan only.

 

[P.J.]

Life isn't always the easiest of things. Whether it's a result of depression or a reaction to something that's happening around you, some people will find them thinking suicidal thoughts at some point in their lives. How you cope with these thoughts can be the difference between life and death.


While there are no definitive answers for why adolescents attempt and complete suicide, there is general agreement that youth who take their own lives feel hopeless about their situation and believe it will never change. Suicide seems to be a response to seemingly intolerable pain. It appears a complex set of factors interact with the youth's biological, emotional, intellectual and social stages of development.

Timely intervention by parents, teachers, and friends can help reduce this tendency on the person who is on the verge of ending his/her life.

 

[prasad1]

Life isn't always the easiest of things. Whether it's a result of depression or a reaction to something that's happening around you, some people will find them thinking suicidal thoughts at some point in their lives. How you cope with these thoughts can be the difference between life and death.


While there are no definitive answers for why adolescents attempt and complete suicide, there is general agreement that youth who take their own lives feel hopeless about their situation and believe it will never change. Suicide seems to be a response to seemingly intolerable pain. It appears a complex set of factors interact with the youth's biological, emotional, intellectual and social stages of development.

Timely intervention by parents, teachers, and friends can help reduce this tendency on the person who is on the verge of ending his/her life.

Yes, I agree with you about the intervention. The loss of family ties, at the same time the mental health field has not taken off in India, causes this suicide rate.
Also misinterpreting or not understanding our scriptures causes confusion.

 

[P.J.]

one more young life had gone!!
A 24-year-old doctor committed suicide by slitting his veins using a surgical knife at a private medical college-cum-hospital in Puducherry on Sunday. S Dinakar Rajendiran is said to have taken the extreme step after being diagnosed with an incurable kidney ailment.

Puducherry doctor commits suicide - The Times of India
Dinakar is the second former student of Sri Manakula Vinayagar Medical College and Hospital to commit suicide in the past one-and-half years. Two girl students of the college too killed themselves during the same period.

What a waste of a Talented young Doctor.

I pity his parents

 

[C RAVI]

Sri. Ravi, Greetings.


You mean, inspite of faith in poorva janma karma, Hindus don’t hesitate to take medical aid when they become sick. All the talk about ‘poorva janma karma palan’ vanish when it hurts the individual directly.

We not only medically treat ourselves BUT we do charity as well to help the needy with his/her medical treatments . So, it is not for the self alone but for the others as well, though we believe in Poorva Janma Karma. I mean to say that, stating poorva janma karma none of us allow your body to decay.

I really wish that were true. I have witnessed persons getting ridiculed on the basis of their birth in the so called ‘lower castes’. Once I witnessed a person was ridiculed for his ‘poorva janma bad karma’ because one of his children was suffering from polio. That person wept.

Shri Raghy,


Many are the crooked people who all will play havoc on others, the way they want, to take a revenge, to insult some one, to put some one down.

There are many ways and means to indulge in such cheap behavior to humiliate a person.

That doesn't mean that the Concept of Poorva Janma Karma has been blindly recognized OR "all" the people who believe in Poorva Janma Karma Phala are believing in this only to behave such a way with the person at the receiving end.

Really? Even in this same forum we have a thread dedicated to advice young girls to dress ‘modestly’ to reduce undue attractions. I have witnessed too many times the victims getting blamed; readily ‘poorva janma karma palan’ applied to all unpleasant situations.

Dear Sir, when you are that clear, you must also be clear that, we are expressing our suggestions and advices with all our concern to the people who succumb to emotional pains due to some or other reasons (due to own faults and or due to others fault) and opt to commit suicide as much as we cautioned girls to dress modestly considering the hungry men of highly populated, poor and corrupted India, in the other thread.

In both the cases, as a human we can take precautions and give advices. That's all. The rest will take place as I have mentioned in my concluding statement, in my post no.9, addressed to you -

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"we continue to strive hard to share good messages, all about positive attitude, righteous ways of living etc..etc among all humans, expecting positive influence on depressed and dejected humans that may help them manage with their Karma."
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As per the Karma theory, if you are bound to suffer physical and or mental pains, you would undergo such suffering though you are an innocent.

As a mere human, we would try to act smart and would caution others to take care. That's all.

If a women is raped, we are not saying that the Rapist is innocent and should be left free to enjoy his life as he wish, without giving him severe punishment BECUASE the girl is the culprit with her negative poorva janma karma.

When we talk to someone about his/her ‘karma’ or ‘poorva janma karma’ we are going to eventually place the blame on that person. We even believe we are doing something good for that person. How can that be promoting positive attitude?

This all depends on the attitude and intention of the person who is hinting on poorva janma karma while pointing out the problems of a person.

Christians says - "It's my fate/destiney", Muslims says - "It's my Thakdheer/Kismat". Fate/Kismat/Karma all same only. Fate/Kismat/Destiny of an individual has reasons behind, giving unique results to each one AND we reason it out as KARMA.

When a person personally believes in Karma, and could accept it as it is, would not further indulge in harming himself and the others.

Since this thread is about committing suicide, a person when strongly starts believing in Karma, would not kill himself. The people who believe in Karma and are fearful of their conscience would not only be unreasonably adamant in his/her life to achieve whatever he/she wants, in some way or other, by hook and crook etc BUT would not allow one self to kill oneself as well.

Will develop spiritual tendencies and would try to manage with his/her poorva janma karma phala. As well, would try the best to not to indulge in consciously doing anything wrong, to himself and to others.

 

[Raji Ram]

Many actresses have committed suicide and the latest is this:

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[P.J.]

Suicide always had a devastating effect on a person's family; most affected person in the family, probably is that person’s mother , she would never be able to recover from that loss and also forgive her for the ignorance on her part about her son.
Those who commit this, are extremely cowardly and selfish to do this to their loved ones

There is always a solution to any problem, there is no problem which one can not be over come .

The News about the Pandichery Doctor boy has not left my mind ever since I read it; I am unknown person to that family, if my feelings are so sad, what to say about the feelings of this boy’s near and dear ones?

 

[kunjuppu]

suicide due to depression, i have personally come across. a colleague of mine at work, his father committed suicide by hanging himself. i shared condolences with him.

his reply, was a nonchalant 'dont worry about it'. apparently the father was having depression all his life, and had this under control with drugs. when the mother was alive, she used to take care of him, and twice had managed to stop him at the last minute. her constant oversight was missed when she died, and hence, according to my, there was no one else who could keep an eye on him for 24 hours.

so the first available opportunity, the dad strung a rope against the ceiling, put his neck into the knot, and kicked the chair, and swung till life left his body.

what to do?

women, post partum, regularly go through depression, as a result of hormone change after delivering a baby. here in toronot, a sri lankan tamil woman, killed her newborn and two other children, by drowning them in the bath tub. and when she cut her own hand, the husband came from work, and saved her life.

poor woman. the judge wept at her sentencing, which, canada being a kind country, was all therapy and treatment, albeit in a jail. all of us felt so sad over this incident, me equally so for the poor husband...what a life for him, after all this!!

 

[C RAVI]

Suicide always had a devastating effect on a person's family; most affected person in the family, probably is that person’s mother , she would never be able to recover from that loss and also forgive her for the ignorance on her part about her son.
Those who commit this, are extremely cowardly and selfish to do this to their loved ones

There is always a solution to any problem, there is no problem which one can not be over come .

The News about the Pandichery Doctor boy has not left my mind ever since I read it; I am unknown person to that family, if my feelings are so sad, what to say about the feelings of this boy’s near and dear ones?

Yes Sir!! Its horrible. The most effected person is the Mother. She will be haunted by all her memories of bearing the child in her womb, undergoing pains while bearing the child, delivering the child, nurturing the child, how she and the child was interacting etc..etc.

Just a thought about the plight of such mothers itself is so painful!!


BUT, the life and the human psychology is too complex and too peculiar. The decisions we take and the actions we perform are all mixed with the prevailing mental state, given the situation, near and dear ones related who gonna be effected etc..etc.

There are many Suicides that are committed ONLY to avoid grievous and irreversible shame to the family, that would be faced by the family members if the person opts against suicide. There are other reasons as well that helps securing the property.

I could recollect an incident that happened in 2008 to one of my room mate's father-in-law, back in India. He forced himself and committed suicide only to not to get cheated by some politically influenced financier and lose his big house. He pledged his house document with him for some loan for his business (that suffered financial crises do to his two sons) and the gang tried cheating him to capture his house. Only by killing himself he could retain his big house and lots of money. Otherwise of which, all the members of the family would have had landed in streets. After his demise, the problem was solved in favor of the family.

In such of these cases, it is not so easy or justifiable to say that these people or coward and thus committed suicide, IMO.


It is really painful to come to know such suicide cases.

 

[P.J.]

RAVI Sir

To save one's property if one commits suicide, it is shameful.

 

[Iyyarooraan]

Innumerable people would have seen worst things in life as on this day and had they decided the population graph would have plunged down southwards. The tendency must have been inbuilt in individuals. Looks like they would commit suicide for whatever reason. These things happen in spite of there being social watchdogs and professional doctors and religious counselors. Mind is the matter and beyond that only Providence know what and why is this.

 

[C RAVI]

RAVI Sir

To save one's property if one commits suicide, it is shameful.

May be!!!

May be the victim had a different perspective. That, it is better to die instead getting terribly cheated by thugs and bringing the family to roads, at his ripe old age. May be he thought that all his children are married and settled well and all his responsibilities are over. As such, why to put all now in loss & troubles at the hands of criminals?

 

[P.J.]

No one has the right to take their own life;

Christianity

According to the theology of the Roman Catholic Church, the Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, Number 2283 states, "We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance.
Conservative Protestants (Evangelicals, Charismatics, Pentecostals, and other denominations) have often argued that because suicide involves self-murder, then anyone who commits it is sinning and is the same as if the person murdered another human being.

Islam

Most Muslim scholars and clerics consider suicide forbidden and similarly include suicide bombing as being equally forbidden.

Hinduism

In Hinduism, there are a number of views in regard to suicide. Generally, committing suicide is considered a violation of the code of ahimsa (non-violence) and therefore equally sinful as murdering another.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_suicide

 

[Nara]

I believe ancient Tamils followed the custom of "vadakku iruththal" when they desire to end their life, in other words commit suicide. Great scholars are said to have taken their own lives in this fashion. The great Chandragupta Maurya is said to have taken his life by starving to death.

Cheers!