Tamil Brahmin.....

[Raji Ram]

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Have I said that tambrahms are not handsome or muscular?..........

 

[vgane]

We have understood our TB culture and moved away from it mostly sometimes consciously to adapt to needs of modern living.

So no sense in researching on TB ways.

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Our prayers are to our Devatas, our Gods, our Pitrus and our Gurus

We do not want to cause even any direct or indirect harm to fellow human beings

We are non violent and would not like to cause harm to all Jeeva Rasis including animals

We want to help others in need!

So let us be proud of our culture!

You can call it Hindu culture or Indian culture or TB culture or Iyer or Iyengar culture or just plain culture!!

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Athimber Sir,

The youngsters are no longer interested in 'engAththup pazhakkam! Even if we say what our elders were doing,

they don't like to follow it! For example, I told my son that raw rice idlis will be prepared for Varalakshmi nOmbu

in 'namba aam' and continued that raw rice is 'madi' where as boiled rice is NOT! His reaction is :lol: !!!

 

[sravna]

Our prayers are to our Devatas, our Gods, our Pitrus and our Gurus

We do not want to cause even any direct or indirect harm to fellow human beings

We are non violent and would not like to cause harm to all Jeeva Rasis including animals

We want to help others in need!

So let us be proud of our culture!

You can call it Hindu culture or Indian culture or TB culture or Iyer or Iyengar culture or just plain culture!!

Well said Shri Ganesh Ji

 

[tbs]

Frenz, As usual we are successfully changed track from the original thread except for a post by Rishikesan Sir and post no. 15. allow me to throw some more light on my intention for starting this post. I have been digging old posts in this forum and in many of them were found challenged by our members for one reason, inability of other member to understand our culture. My intention here is to fill that vacuum. Other than Cast, sect and sub-sects we have acharams and pazhakkams within our house holds. "engaathu pazhakkam enna nna"" goes the saying. So my request to members is to share the most commonly practiced habits among Iyer/Iyengar house holds so that others who are not well versed with it could understand (Even many city based TBs are not familiar with these customs you know..) and not cause any embarrassment by posting something contrary to that in this forum.

Well, I also noticed some posts with regards to my handle in this forum "Athimber" I also think I owe you a little clarification to that effect as well. It is the most respected relationship I have ever come across among tamil brahmin house holds. In fact I commanded a lot of respect in my family as being one. More over I owe much to my on athimber for whatever I am to day because it was he who took good care of my self in the early absence of my parents. So in a way it my way of remembering him whenever I use this title. Hope members would now understand my sentiments to this title. Thank you.

NB: By the way my name is Krishnan and any one wants to address me by that name is also okay with me although I would be happy to be known by my handle name..

hi krishnan,

in many TB families....Athimber is equal to father....highly respected too.. i agreed...in many TB families....athimber contribution

much more...TBs cultures are many varieties....just example... palakkad TB cultures are very different from Tanjore

TB culture.....its very hard to follow/understand others....becoz TBs mostly migrated and integrated with local

customs/cultures...TBs are easily adaptive and ready to mingle with other cultures....

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Sri Sringeri Acharya approved for a wedding of Iyer boy with an IyengAr girl.

The boy's family is devoted to Sri Acharya and always follow his advice. :hail:

Is it not so ridiculous? What is the role of Acharya? Suppose the boy faces some problems after marriage, will the Acharya intervene and solve it? What about the Iyengar girl? Does any Jeer (so many in the field) give similar approval to marry an Iyer boy?

Marriage is purely a personal affair involving a boy/girl, parents and close relatives.

 

[vgane]

Is it not so ridiculous? What is the role of Acharya? Suppose the boy faces some problems after marriage, will the Acharya intervene and solve it? What about the Iyengar girl? Does any Jeer (so many in the field) give similar approval to marry an Iyer boy?

Marriage is purely a personal affair involving a boy/girl, parents and close relatives.

On one side you wanted all Hindus to be one without caste & you wanted our Acharyas to spearhead that...And for Iyer marrying an Iyengar you are playing spoilsport..I am unable to understand what you want?

 

[krish44]

On one side you wanted all Hindus to be one without caste & you wanted our Acharyas to spearhead that...And for Iyer marrying an Iyengar you are playing spoilsport..I am unable to understand what you want?

Probably he is afraid of an iyengar girl not appreciating nuances of iyers way of living and damaging his family.

[By the way I am an iyengar and can appreciate his concerns.If the girl ill treats an iyer boy , Acharyas of his clan can do nothing about it]

 

[athimber]

Dear Athimber Sir,

The youngsters are no longer interested in 'engAththup pazhakkam! Even if we say what our elders were doing,

they don't like to follow it! For example, I told my son that raw rice idlis will be prepared for Varalakshmi nOmbu

in 'namba aam' and continued that raw rice is 'madi' where as boiled rice is NOT! His reaction is :lol: !!!

That was quite funny Madam Raji. I like it! who won at the end?

 

[Raji Ram]

That was quite funny Madam Raji. I like it! who won at the end?

Should I tell you, Athimber Sir?
Obviously, my son won!! :first:

 

[Raji Ram]

My sister had a Muslim driver and he had the bad habit of munching fruits while driving and lick his fingers to clean them!

She used to tease him by saying, 'If ammA (her m i l ) saw you doing this, she will ask you to clean the steering wheel with

'chANam'!!
BTW, some brahaspathi has given an idea to use 'chANam' to avoid radiation from mobile phones!! :laugh:

 

[raysundar]

OMG! That is a harsh comment! :brick:
We know very well that some newbies 'act' innocent and ask Q-s and veterans keep on answering them! :typing:

So sad!!!

Dear Veteran RR,
I am sorry that my innocent babble has hurt you so much.
Sincerely, I just wanted get some attention, by screaming out loud, just like a baby does.
I will ensure that I do not carry on with this baby analogy any further.
Kindly forgive me. I promise that in future. I will measure my words.
I will write in future with the attitude "Varthayai alandu pesavendum".

 

[raysundar]

There a lot of old customas like "yecchal" and "patthu" etc. that truly have scientific explanation like spreading germs due to oral contact or mixing of chemicals across different types of foods. So if one explains then scientifically then I am sure even modern youngsters can understand.
I remember when I visited Israel that they observed "Kosher" just like "Brahmins" do. The milk products cannot come close to cooked foods. The vegetables and rice etc. are kept well away from meats etc. In fact the meats are cooked in a separate kitchen. So I as a strict vegetarian had no problem serving myself from all the vegetarian dishes without any fear of contamination by meat or even being cooked in the same room or vessels that they use to cook meat with. I would say orthodox Jews who observe "Kosher" are very similar to "Brahmins" who observe "Madi and Aacharam".

 

[GANESH65]

My sister had a Muslim driver and he had the bad habit of munching fruits while driving and lick his fingers to clean them!

She used to tease him by saying, 'If ammA (her m i l ) saw you doing this, she will ask you to clean the steering wheel with

'chANam'!!
BTW, some brahaspathi has given an idea to use 'chANam' to avoid radiation from mobile phones!! :laugh:

hi

I face similar problem with local vegetable and milk vendors. They used to count the currency notes by applying spit to their fingers. very very dirty habit. I usually fight with them not to do it but of no use. Finally I had to wash the notes and dry it myself. I find it most difficult when I buy things for pooja etc, face quite awkward situation. That's why I always used to keep a bottle of water in my car.

 

[Raji Ram]

.. I face similar problem with local vegetable and milk vendors. They used to count the currency notes by applying spit to their fingers. very very dirty habit. I usually fight with them not to do it but of no use. Finally I had to wash the notes and dry it myself. I find it most difficult when I buy things for pooja etc, face quite awkward situation. That's why I always used to keep a bottle of water in my car.

:lol: So, you are also a paranoid like me!!

But, a slight difference; I don't wash to notes but wash my hands, after touching dirty notes!

One of my friends said that it is not good to do so because it is a way of insulting Goddess Lakshmi. :becky:

I keep the dirty notes in a folded paper and use them first, while shopping. If a shop keepers give dirty

notes as balance, I immediately buy some other stuff for that money! My nephew used to tease me saying,
'athai! ungaLap pAththAlE avan azhukku note-ai eduppAn; appOthAn avanukku innum vyAbAram Agum! opcorn:

 

[GANESH65]

RRji,

I think you didn't get me properly. I wash notes because he counts applying his spit (echi) to it. That's what makes it disgusting! As I have already said how can I buy pooja articles after handling such notes without washing it?

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Ganesh Sir,

In fact, those who count the notes by licking should be afraid of infections.

Many might have used echil hands on those notes earlier too!

Best is to keep the echil notes in a cover and wash your hands before buying poojA articles.

But who knows! That guy might have gone to # 1 and be sitting in his shop, without washing his hands!! :yuck:

 

[tbs]

On one side you wanted all Hindus to be one without caste & you wanted our Acharyas to spearhead that...And for Iyer marrying an Iyengar you are playing spoilsport..I am unable to understand what you want?

hi

he wants gal should marry ONLY IYER BOY ONLY...MEANS VADAMA BOY WITH VADAMA GAL....NOT EVEN WITH VATHIMA GAL...

preaching for others is easy....not for practical...

 

[Raji Ram]

My answers in blue:

Is it not so ridiculous?

NO!

What is the role of Acharya?

To guide his followers.

Suppose the boy faces some problems after marriage, will the Acharya intervene and solve it?

There will NOT be any need because the wedding happened with his blessings.

What about the Iyengar girl? Does any Jeer (so many in the field) give similar approval to marry an Iyer boy?

Her family also has high regard for Acharya. Her family accepted Acharya's decision.

Marriage is purely a personal affair involving a boy/girl, parents and close relatives.

Not always. Some seek the guidance of their Acharya, when they are devoted to him.

In fact, why should parents and close relatives be involved, if the boy and girl decide to marry!! :lol:

 

[renuka]

hi

I face similar problem with local vegetable and milk vendors. They used to count the currency notes by applying spit to their fingers. very very dirty habit. I usually fight with them not to do it but of no use. Finally I had to wash the notes and dry it myself. I find it most difficult when I buy things for pooja etc, face quite awkward situation. That's why I always used to keep a bottle of water in my car.

LOL!

I cant stand this habit too...Its disgusting.

No need to wash notes..just wipe it with a damp cloth.

But I wash my hand each time I handle cash cos cash can get have bacteria.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

On one side you wanted all Hindus to be one without caste & you wanted our Acharyas to spearhead that...And for Iyer marrying an Iyengar you are playing spoilsport..I am unable to understand what you want?

Iyer and Iyengar communities are not forming major chunk of Hindu fold in Tamil Nadu.

Does Acharya's approval of Iyer/Iyengar marriage eradicate casteism among Hindus? He approved this because both castes are coming under B clan, though there may be lot of differences in customs and conventions, which cannot be sidelined.

Only in this forum, a member narrated a story of an Iyer girl's problem after marrying an Iyengar boy, right from naming the child.

If you think Iyer/Iyengar marriage is good and solve all caste problem, please visit wherever Bs are large in numbers and preach.

Unless you bring common practices among Iyers and Iyengars, marriage between the two communities is a futile exercise and one community has to sacrifice the age old practices, especially in the case of an Iyer girl marrying an Iyengar boy.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

hi

he wants gal should marry ONLY IYER BOY ONLY...MEANS VADAMA BOY WITH VADAMA GAL....NOT EVEN WITH VATHIMA GAL...

preaching for others is easy....not for practical...

Not only preaching even advising is easy, since generally advisers are not facing similar situations.

My reply No.44 is good answer to your above funny statement.

 

[krish44]

I fully agree.with chandruji

Iyer girls must be suffering in iyengar families adopting their customs.

Having to wear long red tilaks on foreheads and wearing nine yards sarees differently besides prostrating four times before all sundry relatives can be exhausting.

Also having to use tongue twisters like sathumadhu for rasam amd thirukannamudhu for payasam can be painful .

One cannot say siva siva but utter venkateswara even in distress.

 

[poosreejaa]

I am the new "Mazhalai" in the group. Hi all

 

[tbs]

I am the new "Mazhalai" in the group. Hi all

hi

welcome "Mazhalai"......continue this "Mazhalai" PATTALAM.....