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TATA back to flying. Will the South Indian industrial groups learn to compete & grow

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TATA back to flying. Will the South Indian industrial groups learn to compete & grow

TATA-the salt to software conglomerate has announced a tie up with Singapore Airlines & is on its way to take off back into aviation which was snatched from its hands when the Government nationalized Tata airlines in 1953

Our South Indian groups be it TVS or Amalgamations are so stale in their approach...They are laid back with no entrepreneurial spirit or risk taking ability...They operate still in the pre liberation & license mode...Are they expecting some angel to land from outer space to give them on a platter without any exertion??

We are yet to see a dynamic group in the South of the likes of TATA, Birla (Kumaramangalam), Reliance or Airtel




  • September 20, 2013, 2:56 PM
Tata Set to Take-Off Back into Aviation
Top of Form

  • By Santanu Choudhury

Will the Tata Group make it third time lucky in their attempt to start an airline in India with?



After founding India’s first airline in the 1930s, Tata, the country’s largest conglomerate, has tried in vain for several years to re-enter aviation after their airline was nationalized in 1953.



On Thursday the conglomerate began taxiing to the runway ahead of a possible take-off in to the sector.



Tata Sons Ltd.–which controls the Tata Group–said it has signed an initial pact with Singapore Airlines Ltd. to launch a full-service airline in India. Tata Sons would have the majority 51% stake in the new airline venture with Singapore Airlines holding the remainder. This would be third bid for both Tata and Singapore Airlines to start an airline in India, and it comes seven months after Tata Sons signed a pact with Malaysia’s to start a budget airline in India.



Tata has over 100 companies in businesses ranging from software to automobiles and information technology and its plans to forge partnerships with foreign carriers come after the Indian government relaxed a ban last September on stake purchases by overseas carriers in local ones. The government permitted overseas airlines to buy up to a maximum of 49% in an Indian aviation company.



Tata’s love affair with aviation in India has been long-running.



A former Tata chairman, J.R.D. Tata is considered the father of civil aviation in India. He founded India’s first airline, the eponymously named, Tata Airlines. He piloted its first commercial flight on Oct. 15, 1932, jetting from Karachi to Mumbai in a single-engine Puss Moth aircraft.



The government nationalized Tata Airlines in 1953 and renamed it Air India Ltd. Tata has not played an active role in aviation since then, though its recently-retired chairman had said that returning to the sector was one of his goals.



For Tata, the successful start of both the airlines would mark the culmination of years of effort to get back in the air.



In its previous two attempts with Singapore Airlines, neither party was able to muster government support for their plans either because of a change in policies or owing to bureaucratic delays.



When Mr. Ratan Tata took over as the group’s chairman in 1991, he revived plans to reenter the airline sector.



The group planned a venture with Singapore Airlines after India opened up the aviation sector to private companies in 1994. But aviation ministry bureaucrats held up his application for years despite his constant prodding, Mr. Tata said in a 2011 interview with The Wall Street Journal. In 1998, after seven years of government inaction, Mr. Tata withdrew the application.



Again, in 2001, Tata partnered with Singapore Airlines to try to buy back Air India Ltd. when the Indian government proposed to sell it. Singapore Airlines later retracted its offer, citing political opposition in India. The government did not sell its stake in the flagship carrier.



Despite running successful businesses ranging from, Anglo-Dutch steel maker Tata Steel Europe and Jaguar Land Rover, Mr. Tata never abandoned his passion for flying. He’s a qualified pilot and flies both helicopters and jets. In 2007, Mr. Tata flew a sortie on a F-16 fighter jet at the biennial air show in Bangalore, southern India.



Mr. Tata–who retired as the group’s chairman in December—has also often flown guests on the Falcon 2000 jets and P.180 Avanti II turboprops belonging to the group’s charter airline, Taj Air Ltd. In July, Mr. Tata flew senior executives from AirAsia, including chief executive Tony Fernandes, on one of the group’s jets from Mumbai to New Delhi for a meeting with civil aviation minister Ajit Singhand other federal ministers.



Mr. Tata is the chief adviser to the board of the newly created AirAsia (India) Pvt., which plans to start operations later this year. The new airline will be owned 49% by AirAsia and 30% by Tata Sons. Telestra Tradeplace Pvt., an Indian investment holding company controlled by businessman Arun Bhatia, will own the remaining 21% stake.



It is not known whether Mr. Tata would have any role in the yet-to-be-named joint venture airline with Singapore Airlines.

Tata Sons, Singapore Airlines Sign Pact to Establish India Airline - WSJ.com
 
TATA back to flying. Will the South Indian industrial groups learn to compete & grow


I think this is not the proper time to enter the aviation industry. Tata may be making the tie-up for reasons which we do not know. So, let us not hurry to belittle others on this basis. And, let us not forget that the Tatas were involved in the 2G scam also. Remember Nira Radia?

I am not belittling others...I am saying for any new business idea..For example when Telecom was opened up, south indian groups did not enter...Look at the way Airtel has capitalized...Same is in Steel ...Any large project outlay involving billions of dollars we just do not enter
 
I am not belittling others...I am saying for any new business idea..For example when Telecom was opened up, south indian groups did not enter...Look at the way Airtel has capitalized...Same is in Steel ...Any large project outlay involving billions of dollars we just do not enter

It is always a business decision.
 
TATA back to flying. Will the South Indian industrial groups learn to compete & grow

I am not belittling others...I am saying for any new business idea..For example when Telecom was opened up, south indian groups did not enter...Look at the way Airtel has capitalized...Same is in Steel ...Any large project outlay involving billions of dollars we just do not enter

True, the established industrial houses from South have not utilised the opportunity of expanding into new areas. However, Hyderabad based GVK Group is leading Indian conglomerate with diversified interests across various sectors including energy, resources, airports, transportation, hospitality and life sciences grew up fast. Similarly Kalanithi Maran of Sun Network has established himself as owner of most profitable Television Network in Asia and Forbes Magazine named him Television king of Southern India.. He has aquired Spice Jet, third largest Airlines in India in terms of market share.

TATAs are pioneers in the field of Iron and Steel Industries. They expanded into various fields and they are the professionally managed Companies. It is a good news that TATAs are entering the field of Airline operations again.
 
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just to make you feel better, the majority of executives in tata sons are south indians with malayalis, pattars and tambrams being these. :)

the only south indian group with spirit is maran group which bought spice jet.

malaysian low cost carrier air asia is starting operations in india with chennai as hqb, with tambram mritunjay (mittu) chandilya as ceo. the chandilya family lived in the same street in mandaveli as we did. :)

/how-team-air-asia-led-by-mittu-chandilya-is-readying-for-take-off


TATA-the salt to software conglomerate has announced a tie up with Singapore Airlines & is on its way to take off back into aviation which was snatched from its hands when the Government nationalized Tata airlines in 1953

Our South Indian groups be it TVS or Amalgamations are so stale in their approach...They are laid back with no entrepreneurial spirit or risk taking ability...They operate still in the pre liberation & license mode...Are they expecting some angel to land from outer space to give them on a platter without any exertion??

We are yet to see a dynamic group in the South of the likes of TATA, Birla (Kumaramangalam), Reliance or Airtel




  • [FONT=&]September 20, 2013, 2:56 PM [/FONT]
[FONT=&]Tata Set to Take-Off Back into Aviation[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Top of Form[/FONT]​

  • [FONT=&]By Santanu Choudhury[/FONT]

[FONT=&]Will the Tata Group make it third time lucky in their attempt to start an airline in India with?

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]After founding India’s first airline in the 1930s, Tata, the country’s largest conglomerate, has tried in vain for several years to re-enter aviation after their airline was nationalized in 1953.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]On Thursday the conglomerate began taxiing to the runway ahead of a possible take-off in to the sector.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]Tata Sons Ltd.–which controls the Tata Group–said it has signed an initial pact with Singapore Airlines Ltd. to launch a full-service airline in India. Tata Sons would have the majority 51% stake in the new airline venture with Singapore Airlines holding the remainder. This would be third bid for both Tata and Singapore Airlines to start an airline in India, and it comes seven months after Tata Sons signed a pact with Malaysia’s to start a budget airline in India.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]Tata has over 100 companies in businesses ranging from software to automobiles and information technology and its plans to forge partnerships with foreign carriers come after the Indian government relaxed a ban last September on stake purchases by overseas carriers in local ones. The government permitted overseas airlines to buy up to a maximum of 49% in an Indian aviation company.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]Tata’s love affair with aviation in India has been long-running.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]A former Tata chairman, J.R.D. Tata is considered the father of civil aviation in India. He founded India’s first airline, the eponymously named, Tata Airlines. He piloted its first commercial flight on Oct. 15, 1932, jetting from Karachi to Mumbai in a single-engine Puss Moth aircraft.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]The government nationalized Tata Airlines in 1953 and renamed it Air India Ltd. Tata has not played an active role in aviation since then, though its recently-retired chairman had said that returning to the sector was one of his goals.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]For Tata, the successful start of both the airlines would mark the culmination of years of effort to get back in the air.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]In its previous two attempts with Singapore Airlines, neither party was able to muster government support for their plans either because of a change in policies or owing to bureaucratic delays.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]When Mr. Ratan Tata took over as the group’s chairman in 1991, he revived plans to reenter the airline sector.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]The group planned a venture with Singapore Airlines after India opened up the aviation sector to private companies in 1994. But aviation ministry bureaucrats held up his application for years despite his constant prodding, Mr. Tata said in a 2011 interview with The Wall Street Journal. In 1998, after seven years of government inaction, Mr. Tata withdrew the application.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]Again, in 2001, Tata partnered with Singapore Airlines to try to buy back Air India Ltd. when the Indian government proposed to sell it. Singapore Airlines later retracted its offer, citing political opposition in India. The government did not sell its stake in the flagship carrier.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]Despite running successful businesses ranging from, Anglo-Dutch steel maker Tata Steel Europe and Jaguar Land Rover, Mr. Tata never abandoned his passion for flying. He’s a qualified pilot and flies both helicopters and jets. In 2007, Mr. Tata flew a sortie on a F-16 fighter jet at the biennial air show in Bangalore, southern India.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]Mr. Tata–who retired as the group’s chairman in December—has also often flown guests on the Falcon 2000 jets and P.180 Avanti II turboprops belonging to the group’s charter airline, Taj Air Ltd. In July, Mr. Tata flew senior executives from AirAsia, including chief executive Tony Fernandes, on one of the group’s jets from Mumbai to New Delhi for a meeting with civil aviation minister Ajit Singhand other federal ministers.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]Mr. Tata is the chief adviser to the board of the newly created AirAsia (India) Pvt., which plans to start operations later this year. The new airline will be owned 49% by AirAsia and 30% by Tata Sons. Telestra Tradeplace Pvt., an Indian investment holding company controlled by businessman Arun Bhatia, will own the remaining 21% stake.

[/FONT]

[FONT=&]It is not known whether Mr. Tata would have any role in the yet-to-be-named joint venture airline with Singapore Airlines.[/FONT]

Tata Sons, Singapore Airlines Sign Pact to Establish India Airline - WSJ.com
 
just to make you feel better, the majority of executives in tata sons are south indians with malayalis, pattars and tambrams being these. :)

the only south indian group with spirit is maran group which bought spice jet.

malaysian low cost carrier air asia is starting operations in india with chennai as hqb, with tambram mritunjay (mittu) chandilya as ceo. the chandilya family lived in the same street in mandaveli as we did. :)

/how-team-air-asia-led-by-mittu-chandilya-is-readying-for-take-off

Dear Shri Kunjuppu,

TATA group is dynamic and professional....The Chennai based groups are very conservative in their approach...I want them to take the plunge, be battle hungry & be a street fighter...They have the capital, the brand, the loyalty...If they cannot diversify now it will be very difficult to enter at a later stage...For example in Telecom which is already saturated they have already missed the bus

Same is happening in Retail...The government is opening up...Again I find that the South Indian groups are more keen on support functions like logistics rather than making a complete Retail foray

The Maran group is definitely dynamic on account of Kalanithi..But on account of direct political connections the group is not completely out of trouble

While the likes of TVS , Amalagamations are content with just $ 2-5 billion revenue, others have taken their dreams to $50-100 Billion...Even in automobiles we are leaders only in auto components not in automobile per se..Look at the forays in SUV segment by Mahindra or the car foray of TATA...A grandiose vision supported by excellent execution are the hall marks of the new age moghuls...They show the grit and determination when the going goes tough..They are aggressive in the market place..Our guys do not stand a semblance to these leaders

Hope better sense prevails and let the sun raise from our heartland!

I am not lamenting but I suspect that the killer instinct is lacking
 
hi
we tambrams/many south indians are not risk takers.....like maran group has political back up....

not for TVS/any other south indian group...generally gujaratis/punjabis are more risk takers

in india....our approach to business very conservative..WE ARE GOOD SERVANTS THAN

GOOD MASTERS.....
 
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