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The defeat and retreat of Hinduism

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ashwin_ash said:
Quick Gun Murugun..

Seriously, the sole officially "Hindu" country of Nepal threw away its king (whose 'rajaguru' is the Kanchi Sankaracharya acc. tradition) and along with it Hinduism too. A case of throwing the baby out with the bath water. The Nepalese people have taken it all in their stride and are now comfortably free of organized religion and seem to be doing rather well for themselves.
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Yes. Hindus can only do that, since we have neither discipline nor interest in the Religion.

Could you please tell how many Christians and Muslims rejected their Religions, converted
their countries into Socialist Republics and are living comfortably. The only Socialist Republic
USSR was hammered into pieces and Christians and Muslims go separate. No one forced them.
They have faith in their Religions.

Despite utter maltreatment of Blacks in the USA, South Africa and other African Countries, the blacks living in these countries have not rejected Christianity. Even in China, Religion is being practised. Though Arab Muslims pose themselves as superior over other Muslims, there is no
division.

Hindus lack oneness and our political system also plays its part. Unfortunately, Hinduism is
caught in the web of mixed society.

Religion in all forms will continue to thrive and no rationalistic approach will destroy it.
 
CHANDRU1849 said:
....Hindus lack oneness and our political system also plays its part. Unfortunately, Hinduism is
caught in the web of mixed society..
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Is this why you criticize Shankarachariayars of not being Saivite enough? Your comment "web of mixed society" is quite revealing, and the mixed society I am sure is quite relieved you are not in a position of power to do something about it......
 
Kuvalayavalli said:
the indigenous term is 'Sanatana Dharma'. Later on many faith systems evolved. many philosophies evolved. epics and legends evolved. hence hinduism is not homogenous.
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Frankly speaking I am still searching for any authentic text that actually mentions the word Sanathana Dharma as we were made to believe.

The Mahabharat defines Dharma but NOT Sanathana Dharma....Now I am starting to wonder when was this terminology Sanathana Dharma coined and by whom??


Tadrisho ayam anuprashno yatra dharmaha sudurlabaha
Dushkamha pralisankhyatum tatkenatra vysvasyathi
Prabhavarthaya bhutanam dharmapravachanam kritam
Yasyat prabhavasamyuktaha sa dharma iti nischayaha.
SHANTHI PARVA - 109-9-11

It is most difficult to define Dharma.
Dharma has been explained to be that which helps the upliftment of living beings.
Therefore, that which ensures the welfare of living beings is surely Dharma.
The learned rishis have declared that which sustains is Dharma.



"Dhāranād dharma ityāhur dharmena vidhrtāh prajāh,
Yat syād dhārana sanyuktam sa dharma iti nishchayah"
Mbh- 12.110.11

i.e., Dharma upholds both this-worldly and other-worldly affairs.



JAIMINI, the author of the celebrated Purvamimamsa and Uthara Mimamsa, explains 'Dharma' thus:

Sa hi nisreyasena pumshamsamyunaktiti pra-tijaneemahe
tadabhidhiyate chodanalakshno ariho dharmaha.
JAIMINII-2

Dharma is that which is indicated by the Vedas as conducive to the highest good.



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So where is Sanathana Dharma??????
 
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Nara said:
Is this why you criticize Shankarachariayars of not being Saivite enough? Your comment "web of mixed society" is quite revealing, and the mixed society I am sure is quite relieved you are not in a position of power to do something about it......
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Shankarachariayars have failed to unite all Hindus under one banner. Vaishnavism goes separate with some many forms with lot of God Men. Even later year Shankarachariayars have also become pseudo-Vaishanavites to survive, discussing only about Ramanayana, Mahabharatha and Gita.

What I mean mixed society in India is other religions moving around Hinduism have a more say. The word 'secularism' undermines the religiosity of Hinduism to a large extent. At the same time, I don't mean exclusive Hindu society; but with more power.

No other country in the world is as diverse as India in practising religion, which in some say reduces the importance of Hinduism.

In Islamic countries, non-muslims have no liberty at all. In Pakistan, some section of Christians are living in tents.

After 9/11, West's idea about Islam is totally changed. Recently, France banned burka. The term muslim sounds differently to western people of late.

Among Hindus, it becomes a fashion that if one wants to embrace another religion, the best way
is to cite some old obsolete dogmas to get justification for their action. LOL.
 
Nara said:
Could you please tell me the origin of this phrase? Please cite a verifiable source.
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I admit I do not know of any verifiable or authentic source for this term. I have heard Chinmayananda et al, referring to the vedas, upanishads collectively as sanatana dharma during his oral discourses.
 
Kuvalayavalli said:
I admit I do not know of any verifiable or authentic source for this term. I have heard Chinmayananda et al, referring to the vedas, upanishads collectively as sanatana dharma during his oral discourses.
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The more you interact in this forum, the more you will realise the tendency of a few posters to send someone on a wild goose chase.

Does the person who asked you the origin of the phrase, know the origin of the word "uppu" (salt)? He has been using uppu as far as he can remember.

So go for the search of these queries only if you feel the necessity yourselves.
 
zebra16 said:
The more you interact in this forum, the more you will realise the tendency of a few posters to send someone on a wild goose chase.

Does the person who asked you the origin of the phrase, know the origin of the word "uppu" (salt)? He has been using uppu as far as he can remember.

So go for the search of these queries only if you feel the necessity yourselves.
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You are right indeed! but everyone in this forum is a friend indeed. hence we are obliged to enlighten them.

For that matter few people in the world know the simplest meaning of the word 'dharma', yet this word is being subjected to numerous tribulations in the tongues of many (anegarudaya naavil indha padham padakkoodadha paadu padugiradhu). some say it means righteousness, some 'truthfulness', 'generosity' etc while it's equivalent in english is a very simple 3 lettered word which few know and use. My once upon a time guru chinmayananda never used that simple word himself and would beat around the bush interpreting the word.
 
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The more you interact in this forum, the more you will realise the tendency of a few posters to send someone on a wild goose chase.
Does the person who asked you the origin of the phrase, know the origin of the word "uppu" (salt)? He has been using uppu as far as he can remember.
So go for the search of these queries only if you feel the necessity yourselves.​

You are right indeed! but everyone in this forum is a friend indeed. hence we are obliged to enlighten them.

For that matter few people in the world know the simplest meaning of the word 'dharma', yet this word is being subjected to numerous tribulations in the tongues of many (anegarudaya naavil indha padham padakkoodadha paadu padugiradhu). some say it means righteousness, some 'truthfulness', 'generosity' etc while it's equivalent in english is a very simple 3 lettered word which few know and use. My once upon a time guru chinmayananda never used that simple word himself and would beat around the bush interpreting the word.Last edited by praveen; Today at 01:32 PM.
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Last edited by praveen??? Is this praveen the same as the moderator? Editing without redletter? What is happening? onnume puriyala ulakaththile. Ennamo nadakkuthu. Mayakkamaa varuthu. Onnume puriyala ulakaththula........


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What is the three letter substitute for dharma?

Once upon a time guru - does it mean he and what he preached is no longer relevant? Who has filled his position? Just curious.

Kuvalayavalli said:
You are right indeed! but everyone in this forum is a friend indeed. hence we are obliged to enlighten them.

For that matter few people in the world know the simplest meaning of the word 'dharma', yet this word is being subjected to numerous tribulations in the tongues of many (anegarudaya naavil indha padham padakkoodadha paadu padugiradhu). some say it means righteousness, some 'truthfulness', 'generosity' etc while it's equivalent in english is a very simple 3 lettered word which few know and use. My once upon a time guru chinmayananda never used that simple word himself and would beat around the bush interpreting the word.
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Last edited by praveen??? Is this praveen the same as the moderator? Editing without redletter? What is happening? onnume puriyala ulakaththile. Ennamo nadakkuthu. Mayakkamaa varuthu. Onnume puriyala ulakaththula........


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Vaagmi,

Puriyama irukaradhu silappa nalladhu. That user "kuvawhatever" seems to be trolling and also subtly spreading christian propaganada. Can't you understand it from the very language used by that person that he/she is trying to spread discord? I think someone must have already reported that person.
 
sarang said:
What is the three letter substitute for dharma?

Once upon a time guru - does it mean he and what he preached is no longer relevant? Who has filled his position? Just curious.
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chinmayananda is no longer alive. his successors are no match for him and hence unworthy of being my gurus.
 
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Kuvalayavalli said:
chinmayananda is no longer alive. his successors are no match for him and hence unworthy of being my gurus.

JK advises not to seek or follow a guru but to seek the Truth yourselves. giving JK a consideration.
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JK?? I hope you are not talking about our Forum Jaykay!LOL
 
ashwin_ash said:
Vaagmi,

Puriyama irukaradhu silappa nalladhu. That user "kuvawhatever" seems to be trolling and also subtly spreading christian propaganada. Can't you understand it from the very language used by that person that he/she is trying to spread discord? I think someone must have already reported that person.
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This is the problem with many individuals like you ashwin. you jump to conclusions invariably incorrect. exercise restraint.
 
Vaagmi said:
Renuka you got it right this time.
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Dearb Vaagmi ji,

As far as I know Swami Chinmayananda does not say Dharma =Law but he said the Dharma is the Law of Being.

He gives an example of Fire..that the Dharma of Fire is to burn.

He says that Law of Being is what that defines a particular object.

So when Kulvala said 3 lettered word..so I was wondering which 3 lettered word cos Swami Chins said Law of Being..that is more than 3 letters!

Law on its own can mean lots of stuff..it can be part of outlaw or part of inlaw or even Shakila!

I wonder if you remember the Vivek Comedy where he will be a TB and admonishes a fellow TB for child labour and then asks the small servant boy what he wants to study and the boy says LAW..he pronounces it as LA and the Vivek gets all teary eyed and hugs the boy and says "which LA you want to study" ..the boys says SHAKILA!


[video=youtube_share;b0s_Sdg3DvI]http://youtu.be/b0s_Sdg3DvI[/video]
 
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