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A tree is known by its fruit.

A man is known by his son.

Easie Eddie need not have felt so uneasy

about bringing up a worthy son.

The boy had it in him already! :clap2:




May be!!! May be, Butch O'Hare had it in him as his inborn individual quality. OR, may be he got to understand the purpose of meaningful life better, through his father.


A total change over of father's personality, his deeds/efforts and messages for the better do influence son's personality / perceptions.
 
X is the Universal Booster tonic. :spit:

It is neither mathematical zero nor the empirical zero! :nono:

Sowbagyavathy V R, Greetings. From the equations provided by yourself, X = Hero. That's all. After my solving the equation, you are saying Zero is not mathematical Zero! Kind of not fair!

Cheers!
 
Sowbagyavathy V R,

I have seen my servant maid of 1970 being bashed by her husband

every night after he had drunk like a fish.

If the woman in the house scolds her man for his inability to feed her

and her children, she would be bashed and manhandled by him.


Kindly read your own statement, please. You have just explained a scenario of 'alcohol induuced voilence'. Alcohol and drug induced violence and psychosis is a large subject. Although you concluded "Poverty leads to violence in the family.", the example cited by you is alcohol induced violence. Did he bash his wife due to poverty? After so much alcohol in him, did he even realise poverty? You are not just practical. Thee is more to analyse about that woman too. In any case, that violence was not due to poverty. If he had a lot of money, still he would have beaten someone's living daylight due to alcohol; may be not his wife, but would have hired a sex worker and beaten the daylight out of her. Trust me, poverty does not lead to violence. I have seen dire poverty before; I know it first hand.

If one of the two is submissive he or she would have to be always

submissive. It is expected of him /her.
That arrangement actually works very well. Submitter becomes submissive in some areas. In some areas man becomes submissive; in the other areas she becomes submissive. On the other hand, with the equal energy cases, there is always a struggle to wrestle the power. The trouble with that kind of power struggle is, one of them suddenly loose interest in the whole thing, stops the struggle.. the other looses balance altogether. This kind of equal energies snap off either during the power struggle or when one of them loose interest. Equal energy is one of the main reasons for break up in the western world; they call it as 'clash of egos'.

"கெடைச்சா கஞ்சி தண்ணி, கெடைக்காட்டி கொயாத்தண்ணி...."

is understandable but the other one 'சால் உட்டா சீல்!'

beats my intellect!!!

I already said it was a philosophy from a prostitute. She was from Chindhadhiripet, near Egmore. ( I already wrote about her in this forum). On a warm summer night, I and my friend could not sleep in the single room in Gajendra Lodge, Mount Road ( that room was not in either of our names! we were just guests.... my friend was staying for 6 months; I was staying for 2 weeks!). So, we went out to hotel Impala ( across LIC building) to drink a cup of tea and hangout at midnight. Thee this middle aged lady sex worker was trying to score a trick.... looked like, she was trying for sometime. Eventually we started having conversation with her. After few rejections she was kind of flat.... so, when we bought our next cup of tea, we bought her one too. Then our conversation became more 'sociable'. We almost thought she scored a hit... after talking to her for about 5 minutes, one guy left.. I commented that rejection would have been pretty disappointing... she said "கெடக்குது உடு கண்ணு! சால் உட்டா சீல்!".. We were blown by that term! I asked her to explain that term.. from what she said, it roughly means, " never mind about that lost opportunity; more are just round the corner!" .. in that சால் is the 'lost opportunity' and 'சீல்' is the potential opportunity. She was trying to score a hit that night from 7.30 PM... she eventually scored past 3 in the morning! We actually showed her a 'thumbs up sign' with respect! Optimism and preseverence..... I learned important lessons from her.

Cheers!
 
Pranaam Guruji!:pray2: :)

YOU SHOULD be writing things worthy of

"Life is like that!" and "Points to Ponder."

My experiences are jujubis compared to your experiences and encounters.

I expect you to become a regular contributor of the kind of philosophy I am

unable to present - due to my limited circle and limited experiences.

Sowbagyavathy V R,



[/B][/I]Kindly read your own statement, please. You have just explained a scenario of 'alcohol induuced voilence'. Alcohol and drug induced violence and psychosis is a large subject. Although you concluded "Poverty leads to violence in the family.", the example cited by you is alcohol induced violence. Did he bash his wife due to poverty? After so much alcohol in him, did he even realise poverty? You are not just practical. Thee is more to analyse about that woman too. In any case, that violence was not due to poverty. If he had a lot of money, still he would have beaten someone's living daylight due to alcohol; may be not his wife, but would have hired a sex worker and beaten the daylight out of her. Trust me, poverty does not lead to violence. I have seen dire poverty before; I know it first hand.

That arrangement actually works very well. Submitter becomes submissive in some areas. In some areas man becomes submissive; in the other areas she becomes submissive. On the other hand, with the equal energy cases, there is always a struggle to wrestle the power. The trouble with that kind of power struggle is, one of them suddenly loose interest in the whole thing, stops the struggle.. the other looses balance altogether. This kind of equal energies snap off either during the power struggle or when one of them loose interest. Equal energy is one of the main reasons for break up in the western world; they call it as 'clash of egos'.



I already said it was a philosophy from a prostitute. She was from Chindhadhiripet, near Egmore. ( I already wrote about her in this forum). On a warm summer night, I and my friend could not sleep in the single room in Gajendra Lodge, Mount Road ( that room was not in either of our names! we were just guests.... my friend was staying for 6 months; I was staying for 2 weeks!). So, we went out to hotel Impala ( across LIC building) to drink a cup of tea and hangout at midnight. Thee this middle aged lady sex worker was trying to score a trick.... looked like, she was trying for sometime. Eventually we started having conversation with her. After few rejections she was kind of flat.... so, when we bought our next cup of tea, we bought her one too. Then our conversation became more 'sociable'. We almost thought she scored a hit... after talking to her for about 5 minutes, one guy left.. I commented that rejection would have been pretty disappointing... she said "கெடக்குது உடு கண்ணு! சால் உட்டா சீல்!".. We were blown by that term! I asked her to explain that term.. from what she said, it roughly means, " never mind about that lost opportunity; more are just round the corner!" .. in that சால் is the 'lost opportunity' and 'சீல்' is the potential opportunity. She was trying to score a hit that night from 7.30 PM... she eventually scored past 3 in the morning! We actually showed her a 'thumbs up sign' with respect! Optimism and preseverence..... I learned important lessons from her.

Cheers!
 
Some problems can have more than one correct solution.

So I think we can accept your answer as well as mine as correct answers!

Is that fair enough?


Sowbagyavathy V R, Greetings. From the equations provided by yourself, X = Hero. That's all. After my solving the equation, you are saying Zero is not mathematical Zero! Kind of not fair!

Cheers!
 
Thee this middle aged lady sex worker was trying to score a trick.... looked like, she was trying for sometime. Eventually we started having conversation with her.

After few rejections she was kind of flat.... so, when we bought our next cup of tea, we bought her one too. Then our conversation became more 'sociable'. We almost thought she scored a hit...

after talking to her for about 5 minutes, one guy left.. I commented that rejection would have been pretty disappointing... she said

"கெடக்குது உடு கண்ணு! சால் உட்டா சீல்!".. We were blown by that term! I asked her to explain that term.. from what she said, it roughly means, " never mind about that lost opportunity; more are just round the corner!" .. in that சால் is the 'lost opportunity' and 'சீல்' is the potential opportunity.

She was trying to score a hit that night from 7.30 PM... she eventually scored past 3 in the morning! We actually showed her a 'thumbs up sign' with respect!

Optimism and preseverence..... I learned important lessons from her.


Pondering over your long post...

1. she was middle aged. A point not in her favor!

Men prefer young women - if not virgins(!) :shocked:

2. She was flat with rejections.

She would have been flat with acceptance also! :rolleyes:

3. She should charge "Talking fee" - like the Waiting Fee of the autos-

so that guys won't waste her time talking to her! :blabla:

4. I though by "Shawl uttaa sheel" she had meant that :decision:

she can cover her body either with a shawl or with with the seelai.

5. Isn't 7-30 P.M. too early for the man-hunt?

6. Hunger made her optimistic and also forced her to persevere I guess.
 
dear VR Ji,
My answers are in Blue.

Pondering over your long post...

1. she was middle aged. A point not in her favor!
Not really...middle age comes with VAST experience.

Men prefer young women - if not virgins(!) :shocked:
Thats only for marriage!!LOL

2. She was flat with rejections.
Well thats part of the job..try try and try again!!

She would have been flat with acceptance also! :rolleyes:

3. She should charge "Talking fee" - like the Waiting Fee of the autos-

so that guys won't waste her time talking to her! :blabla:

Yup she should charge Consultation like health care professionals do.

4. I though by "Shawl uttaa sheel" she had meant that :decision:

she can cover her body either with a shawl or with with the seelai.

5. Isn't 7-30 P.M. too early for the man-hunt?
Anytime is a good time..why wait till the last minute and at unearthy times.
Hey BTW many people get married at 7.30pm too so may be its Shubha Muhurtam!!
Also the early bird catches the Nematode.


6. Hunger made her optimistic and also forced her to persevere I guess.
She knew what she wanted and made the correct moves and never gave up.
Dont stop never give up!! I admire her EQ!!
 

"Happy Mother's day!" to all the Mothers,

grandmothers, great grand mothers in the forum!

Have a wonderful day dears!!!


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I hate to leave things untold and puzzles unsolved.
may be you don't care or
may be you don't dare!
but here is the answer to me question.
The cute grandson is named a V-R-N!
He is named as VARUN honoring both the grandparents,
How very thoughtful on the eve of the Mother's day
since a grandson will take take his grandfather's name
and not his grandmother's name!

It was customary to name the grandchildren after their grandparents.

Long names are out of fashion now. :nono:

Tongue Twisters are ruled out. :nono:

The name must be small, cute, pronounceable even by the non-Indians.

So when the grandfather's name runs into 12 alphabets and

it becomes inevitable to spell the word every time, everywhere,

and to everyone what does one do???

Simple!
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Take only the initials.

Throw in two vowels to make it readable.

Give the proper masculine or feminine ending to the name.

Any guesses for the name of our just-born-grandson

created out of our initials???

Clue: I and my husband both share the same initials!
:)
 
What is food for one man :popcorn:

is bitter poison to the others. :fear:
Lucretius.

Meat was made for mouths. :hungry:
William Shakespeare.

All meat pleaseth not all mouths. :yuck:
William Robertson.

 
இல்லறம் இனிக்க 18 படிகள்.

3. இன்முகம், இனிய பேச்சு, கனிவு, கருணை, சாந்தம், பொறுமை,
பெருந்தன்மை, சினம் இன்மை பெண்ணுக்குப் பெருமை சேர்ப்பவை.

4. உடன் வாழ்வில் நடக்கும்போது ஒரு நல்ல நண்பன்;
நல்ல அறிவுரைகளைக் கூறும் போது மதி மந்திரி,
திறமைகளை வெளிக் கொணரும்போது நல்ல ஆசான்,
துன்பங்களைத் துடைக்கும்போது தென்றல் காற்று;
விருப்பங்களை நிறைவேற்றும் போது ஒரு உதவியாளன்;
என்று நல்ல மனைவி பலவேறு வடிவங்களை எடுப்பாள்.
 
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This thread was launched exactly one month ago,

on the Tamil New year day.

Many things have happened in the past one month.

It has been proved that "Maaruvathu (manitha) Manam".

People got cross (for reasons known only to them) and started

acting indifferently.

Others who had planned to quit the forum (again for reasons best

known only to them) tried to make me the scapegoat for their

disappearance.

"Seruvathu Inam" is YET to be proved. :sad:

People visit this thread but do not interact. :peep:

Others hesitate even to visit.

Some others feign fear to enter the thread.:rolleyes:

I had got my (U.S) VISA extended for ten more years.

My chittappa taught me a valuable lesson in life and about Life.

My cute grandson has arrived on the eve of Mother's day.

The viewership per post has increased from ~ 6 to ~ 10 now.

Still a long way to go to get into the list of the hottest threads!

After the Quotable Quotes is completed, the future quotations

will appear in this thread itself.

I have got my knee problem fixed temporarily by reducing the

pain in the joints.

I got to spend nearly 2 weeks in the loving company of my

mother and elder sister after many years!

My sky diving younger son had a fall while mowing his lawn and

has fractured his left foot.

I can't help thinking of the expression "pul thadukki bayilvaan"

though I am happy that the fall was only on the land and in the lawn and not from the sky! :fear:

Wow! This is quite a lot to happen in one month's time.
 
அன்னையே! என் அன்னையே!

வெள்ளை நிறம், கொள்ளை அழகு!
கள்ளம் இல்லா வெள்ளை உள்ளம்!

எள்ளுப்பூ நாசி, கண்களும் மீன் ஆக்ஷி;
கொள்ளைச் சிரிப்பு, கொஞ்சம் முன்கோபம்!

கண் கண்டதை கைகள் செய்யும்,
மண்ணில் தெரியாத கலை இல்லை.

உள்ளத்தில் உள்ளதை உதடுகள் பேசும்
கள்ளத்தனமாகப் பேசத் தெரியாது!

நக்கீரரின் மறு பிறவியே தான்!
குற்றம் என்றால் அது குற்றமே!

"அற்புதப் பெண் தான்" என்று அறியாது,
அளவுகோலாகத் தன்னையே ஆக்கி;

மற்றவர்களைப் பார்ப்பதே அவர்
சின்னச் சின்னக் கோப காரணம்!

முடியாது! தெரியாது! என்ற சொற்கள்
பிடிக்கவே பிடிக்காது அவருக்கு!

சுறு சுறுப்பில் தேனீ! எறும்பு!
சிரிப்பும், உருவமும் கரும்பு!

வளர்ந்திடும் தள்ளாத வயதிலும்,
விளைந்திடும் அதிசய அழகை நான்

இருவரிடம் மட்டுமே கண்டேன்!
ஒருவர் M.S. அம்மா, ஒருவர் S.M. அம்மா .

(என் அன்னையின் பெயர் S. Meenal)

அம்மாவின் அழகை நாங்கள்
எல்லோருமே கோட்டை விட்டோம்.

அப்பாவின் அச்சுப் பிரதியாகத்
தப்பாமல் பிறந்து விட்டதால்!

அம்மாவின் குண நலன்களை
அம்சங்களாப் பெற்றுள்ளோம்.

ஒரு முறை பார்த்தவர் கூட
ஒரு நாளும் மறக்க மாட்டார்

தேவ பாஷையில் பேசவேண்டி
தீவிர முயற்சி செய்கின்றார்!

என் அன்னையைப் படைத்து,
எனக்கு அன்னையாகப் படைத்த,

ஜகதன்னையின் திரு நாமத்தை
ஜபித்துக் கொண்டே இருப்பேன்! :pray: :hail:
 
Sowbagyavathy V R, Greetings.

My experiences are jujubis compared to your experiences and encounters.
Time, place and circumstances are very important for acquiring any experience. Alongwith them, perspective plays a major role in gaining experiences. Two persons could have been present at the same place, at the same time; but both of their experiences would have differed based on their perspectives. Experiences are unique for each individual. Such experiences can't be compared. Our perspectives are different; we have seen that from many mesages we have penned in this forum. So, I don't think we should be comparing apples to oranges, although both of them fall under the catagory of 'fruits'.

Cheers!
 
Sowbagyavathy V R, Greetings.

I refer to your message in post #456. I pondered on your ponderings.....

1. she was middle aged. A point not in her favor!

Men prefer young women - if not virgins(!)


That was the most important point. That's why I mentioned that. Had she been young, she would have been booked up without gap. She would not have been on the street trying to score a hit. This woman was middle aged; so obviously didn't have a pimp, she had to do the hard yards. The odds were not exactly stacked high in her favour.

2. She was flat with rejections.

She would have been flat with acceptance also!
I am sorry, I am not enjoying this humor. It sounds more like sarcasm to me. Physical rejection to any woman is very much demeaning. For a prostitute every rejection is a death toll for her career. In the case of middle aged sex worker, the rejections are suspense... is this the day I get booted out of this profession? Am I going to beg for the rest of my life?.. she faces such very hard questions with no one to comfort her.

3. She should charge "Talking fee" - like the Waiting Fee of the autos-

so that guys won't waste her time talking to her!

If she was young, she would have charged not only talking fees, even fees for just looking at her. Desperate people can't be demanding. She was almost at that stage.

4. I though by "Shawl uttaa sheel" she had meant that :decision:

she can cover her body either with a shawl or with with the seelai.

'
சால் உட்டா சீல்' was her terms. She explained them. You are free to think what you like. She clearly said what she meant.

5. Isn't 7-30 P.M. too early for the man-hunt?

No. I have been approached as early as 2 Pm at parry corner and near Chennai central station. Actually, 7.30 PM is quite late to score a 'all night' hit.

I was 19 years old when I came across this sex worker. At that time I just saw her as a human being. My friend was about 23-24 years old. We respected her as a fellow human being, that was why she was comfortable talking to us. She was just practicing the only trade she knew. Just like any other trade, when the person gets towards retirement, he/she desn't get considered for engagements. Both of us were tradespersons; both of us knew of her plight. She didn't make enough money to buy few young girls to own her own brothel. that was all. I could compare myself to her. I didn't make enough money to own my own factory when I was a tradesperson; I had to seek a job when I was 50, I knew my chances were remote. I was smart enoughto change my career. Not that lady. She was confined to suffer a slow rejection from her only known trade; she would have ended up begging after few years. We could see so much while we were watching her.

6. Hunger made her optimistic and also forced her to persevere I guess.

She was optimistic and she had perseverence. She had top qualities. Hunger? Yes, she had hunger. But she did not reduce herself to beg. She knew we youngsters were kind of sympathetic to her. We could see she liked talking to us because we were treating her like a human being; but, if she was seen talking to us, any potential customer would go away thinking we were negotiting with her. So, she didn't talk much to us. She knew she could have asked us '
கண்ணு, கொஞ்சம் நாஸ்தா வாங்கி குடுப்பா'., we would have bought her some food. But she had the self-respect not to beg.

We saw her as a decent woman with self-respect who was trying to make a honest living by practising the only trade she knew. I respected her for the optimism, self-respect and peseverance. That's why I remember her even today. ( By the way, my wife heard of this sex worker. She loved it. That term 'சால் உட்டா சீல்' is often used between us. We didn't have to explain that to anyone so far though.

Cheers!




 
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Then you are the sweet apple and I am the sour orange!:)

Sowbagyavathy V R, Greetings.


Time, place and circumstances are very important for acquiring any experience. Alongwith them, perspective plays a major role in gaining experiences. Two persons could have been present at the same place, at the same time; but both of their experiences would have differed based on their perspectives. Experiences are unique for each individual. Such experiences can't be compared. Our perspectives are different; we have seen that from many mesages we have penned in this forum. So, I don't think we should be comparing apples to oranges, although both of them fall under the catagory of 'fruits'.

Cheers!
 
May be I need more empathy! :sad:
May be I am not able to stand on her shoes and
imagine her plight as well as you are able to do.
Sorry for the sour humor.:sorry:
 
In pharmaceutical (MR) parlance there is a sort of dictum: If you cannot convince a doctor (about the efficacy of the medicine) then confuse him!
 
May be I need more empathy! :sad:
May be I am not able to stand on her shoes and
imagine her plight as well as you are able to do.
Sorry for the sour humor.:sorry:

Sowbagyavathy V R, Greetings.

You have a lot of empathy. Otherwise you would not have written this message. We can't always think in others shoes; you need not feel bad for that. Only a magnonimus person would be capable of saying 'sorry'. My respect for you has only increased one more notch. Hats off to you!

Cheers!
 
The Lesson I learnt to day.
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I should NOT enter into discussion :nono:

about facts, factors and persons :spy:

I am completely ignorant about!:baby:

Unless we discuss about subjects we don't kniow about, how can we learn others point of views? That's my view anyway. As long as we are not judgemental, such conversations are nice anyway!

By the way, I was wondering, are you trying to impress anyone here? From my understanding, your messages don't sound like that at all; Renu writes here often, she doesn't try to impress anyone either. I know I don't give a hoot about what others think about my messages.. so trying to impress others is not in my agenda, ever.... Just wondered.. since you are the frequent contributor in this thread, i thought you may know.....

Cheers!
 
I never stop learning
and I never hesitate to say sorry if I am wrong.

Sowbagyavathy V R, Greetings.

You have a lot of empathy. Otherwise you would not have written this message. We can't always think in others shoes; you need not feel bad for that. Only a magnonimus person would be capable of saying 'sorry'. My respect for you has only increased one more notch. Hats off to you!

Cheers!
 
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