Two more tests for evidence of spiritual energy

[Janaki Jambunathan]

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Thank you Renu.

A few minutes back, a coconut leaf fell from the tree in our back yard, when a crow flew over it!! :lol:

Just now a மாங்கா is falling from the tree in my back yard - no காக்கா seen around - I chanted " சூ மந்தர காளி " to invoke Kali - and it works! Spiritual Energy?

 

[sravna]

Just now a மாங்கா is falling from the tree in my back yard - no காக்கா seen around - I chanted " சூ மந்தர காளி " to invoke Kali - and it works! Spiritual Energy?

Smt. JJ,

As a matter of fact it is gravitational energy working in accordance with the laws of spirituality. You can spare the chanting of mantras and it will still work.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

It is necessary to grasp the big picture first than go step by step and that was exactly my point. Otherwise you do not know whether you are taking the right steps.

Dear Sravna,

That means you are going in reverse gear that too with pre-conceived notions

The Big Picture is a step by step discovery and not a pre-conceived notion..one must be brave enough to even falter and not be too concerned about right steps and wrong steps..when one is determined..all steps lead to the destination.

If you are starting from Big Picture and go in reverse..that means you will ONLY look for evidence to fit into the big picture and that would lead to error.

That is exactly what you are doing..you do not accept experiment results that do not fit into your pre-conceived notions but claim credit for co-incidences.

Also in a discovery..there is a probability there is even no Big Picture at all..after all none of us really know.

Nasadiya Sukta tends to sing on those lines...


Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping?
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?

Then there was neither death nor immortality
nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.

At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of heat.

In the beginning desire descended on it -
that was the primal seed, born of the mind.
The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom
know that which is kin to that which is not.

And they have stretched their cord across the void,
and know what was above, and what below.
Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces.
Below was strength, and over it was impulse.

But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?

Whence all creation had its origin,
he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows - or maybe even he does not know.[SUP][11]

[/SUP]Source: Wikipedia.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

I am not against experiments. They have their place. It is in fact essential and the only way to convince people today of truths. But one should not get too carried away by it. Truths directly intuited by the mind have no substitute. That is what will play out.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I am not against experiments. They have their place. It is in fact essential and the only way to convince people today of truths. But one should not get too carried away by it. Truths directly intuited by the mind have no substitute. That is what will play out.

Dear Sravna,

I have come to believe that there is no need to convince anyone of any Truth cos we can NOT claim status to be able to illuminate others.

What are the qualifications we should have and how are we are so sure of our own credibility before we want to preach to others?

For everything else in the world from birth to death we only want qualified individuals with proven credibility to handle birth and handle death but when it comes to the realizing the Truth any Amar,Akbar or Anthony would do?

How can we be so sure we are fit to lead others?

This is why I feel since there is no way of knowing how qualified we are..the best is let others lead their lives the way they want as long it does not cause harm to self,others and environment.

You in your case too caused harm to environment when you tried to project spiritual energy from Chennai to USA to bring down the water temperature..how are you so sure that your projection of your powers didnt harm some organism or the environment.

There is no need to proof any spirituality exists...no one needs any convincing.

The population of those who do not believe in any Higher power are very few..but even they are living pretty well without harming others.

Most of the harm in the world is caused by those who are adherent to rigid principles of religion and personal believes.

Rigidity eventually leads to violence.

Peace does not need preaching.

It exist on its own..only Rigidity needs preaching.

So let go Sravna...learn to exists without rigidity...its only a matter of time that you would turn violent.

After all ask any Jihadist..he would say "I have to convince the world of the Truth and the Only Truth"

So no difference if you ask me.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

If you ask me what is the criterion one would use to know if he can help others is to know whether he is what he wants others to be and what others also want to be. The commonality among the people in what they wish is peace and happiness. I think I am at a vantage point to do that and so would be some others who experience peace. It is the greatest knowledge one can share with others and improve their well being and that of society.

There are enough people to poison the mind of others. At the very least there has to be antidote to this.

 

[renuka]

There are enough people to poison the mind of others. At the very least there has to be antidote to this.

Dear Sravna,

An overdose of spirituality is also toxic.

Making people believe that spiritual powers can be used to control temperature,boiling water,putting off fireworks,diffusing bombs,bringing down military power of USA...all these are also Toxic a.k.a poison.

To reform anything...one needs to be a Karma Yogi and not a Spiritual Bhogi.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

An overdose of spirituality is also toxic.

Making people believe that spiritual powers can be used to control temperature,boiling water,putting off fireworks,diffusing bombs,bringing down military power of USA...all these are also Toxic a.k.a poison.

To reform anything...one needs to be a Karma Yogi and not a Spiritual Bhogi.

Dear Renuka,

I am stating the facts and I think I have succeeded in proving them. People who want to give it a different twist for protecting their own interests will do it.

I go by my intuition and not by calculative planning and I have never regretted following my intuition.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I am stating the facts and I think I have succeeded in proving them. People who want to give it a different twist for protecting their own interests will do it.

I go by my intuition and not by calculative planning and I have never regretted following my intuition.

Dear Sravna,

There is only hear say evidence and no actual proof.

No one is giving anything a twist here.

I feel its toxic to market spirituality.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,


No one is giving anything a twist here.

I feel its toxic to market spirituality.

Dear Renuka,

This is exactly a twist.

 

[raysundar]

Dear Renuka,

This is exactly a twist.

Sravna,
I think you should stop twisting Spirituality and Nature or Science.
Spirituality is mainly for self-development. It is only by your own positive actions guided by your spirituality and your personal experiences that you let others judge whether their spirituality can guide them too.
You cannot directly enforce your Spiritual(will) powers on nature or on others except on humans through hypnosis or other trance states forced say using some drugs etc.

 

[Raji Ram]

I had skipped to read a few pages in the middle and completed only yesterday! :ranger:
1. That project (on cooling water) could have been named 'pot cooler experiment' instead of 'pot boiler experiment'! :decision:

2. We can not say that there is no spiritual energy just because it is not proved by Sravna Sir!

(a-TB had raised a Q in one of those pages!)

 

[sravna]

I have the feeling that the temples and spiritual places will once again become power centers where people can feel and get the benefits of the energy.

For hindus, Tirupati, Kanchipuram and Mylapore temples will be the general spiritual power centers in the south. Other places of worship which solve specific problems will regain that power too.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Dear Sravna,

An overdose of spirituality is also toxic.

Understatment It is addiction and dependence!

 

[raysundar]

... named 'pot cooler experiment' instead of 'pot boiler experiment'! :decision:
2. We can not say that there is no spiritual energy just because it is not proved by Sravna Sir!
...

I guess the emoticon :decision: implied that the experiment bombed. As a scientist I wish to present the following paragraph from WikiPedia about Latent heat and Sensible heat:

"Both sensible and latent heats are observed in many processes of transport of energy in nature. changes of Latent heat is associated with the change of phase of atmospheric water, vaporization and condensation, whereas sensible heat is energy that reflects the temperature of the atmosphere or ocean, or ice."

I, as a scientist, hoped to be able to see how it was possible to envision Spiritual energy as akin to heat energy. Latent means hidden, which is true of Spiritual energy. It manifests itself under certain exacting/precise conditions in the space-time continuum. It most likely causes an imperceptible dip in the continuum in the presence of a strong gravitational field. Sravna assumes that he can create this strong gravitational field to affect the space-time continuum. May be he did but it was imperceptible.

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

Renuka ji...sravna Ji is searching for an answer.he will not stop until he gets his final answer. He s really bold to find the unknown.

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

Dear Renuka,

There was so much resistance in my family when I started to use spiritual power on health problems because as you say they were thinking I was losing touch with reality. But as they see the real effects of spirituality on people who are suffering, they realize that I am not under any illusion and that what I say makes sense. To begin with the unknown would seem fearful and nobody would want to get near it. But how did we progress so much? Logical thinking is the answer. It provided us the first revolution. I think using spirituality would be the second major revolution.

It offers exactly the right formula for sufferings both physically and mentally of what people go through. Why just turn away from it just because we have not understood it properly. Would not it be right if we take a step towards understanding it. ?

sravna ji
I was in the similar situation as u said when i was 16yrs old. U and i are somewhat alike in searching the UNKNOWN. I starting pursuing at the age 18yrs...most of the time(80%) i'll risk my life in understanding and it always pay off. Only difference is our WAYS. hope u will be able to produce the proof to the world soon.:nerd:

 

[renuka]

Renuka ji...sravna Ji is searching for an answer.he will not stop until he gets his final answer. He s really bold to find the unknown.

Dear Dinesh,

Fair enough..anyone can explore the unknown.there is nothing wrong in that but Ok since you are a doc too I am sure you would understand this...here goes.

Just say if a drug or a method of treatment is undergoing some trial experiment...ethically we do not try it on life subjects till we are sure of its safety profile..adverse effects..half life..elimination routes..interactions etc.

Only then we allow a drug to be used on humans and that too sometimes some are recalled when some undetected adverse effect shows up.

Like Samsung Note 7 recalling its phones cos of some overheating risk.

Ok likewise..in case of the Unknown as you call it or some choose to say Spirituality...we have no idea about it as much and if one is in the exploring stage of getting a grasp of it but yet to reach a stage of full control it is UNETHICAL to start to prescribe it to others when there is no full understanding of it yet.

There is no harm one goes into research mode but do not go into application mode of trying to change temperature,curing illness..transfer of spiritual powers etc.

This can be harmful and the question that also comes to the mind is ..Great Masters themselves rarely do this cos they know the Karmic consequences on others and also self.

This is all I am saying...Spirituality is Unknown...Unknown is a polite word for our ignorance..till then its better we do not use any unproven power claiming its beneficial when it could actually be harmful.

 

[krish44]

All this spiritual stuff can cause only personal damage to one member.

we would be wise to stop encouraging this.

It is a laughing matter bordering on the ridiculous if someone believes that he can change temperature,weather, or cure disease by spiritual powers.

 

[Raji Ram]

I guess the emoticon :decision: implied that the experiment bombed. .......

:nono: R S Sir!

If you move the cursor over the emoticon it will show in 'words' and this emoticon means 'Decision'.

If you watch carefully you can see the devil mark (with trisoolam) on one side and angel on the other side.

It means 'kettadhA; nalladhA?'

P.S: Now you will know easily that :nono: means Nono!!

 

[sravna]

There is strong detraction when you start something against the status quo mainly not really because people think what you do is harmful but because the status quo will be disturbed.

The major theme of my writings is advocating independent and right thinking. I advocate people to come out of the shackles of emotions and guide them on that because I was able to successfully do that.

I believe there are at least some who will be tuned to my thoughts and be receptive to them and help themselves.

Honestly I am doing what I think is right.

 

[raysundar]

Thanks RR.
Sorry I had :noidea: you could do that.:doh:
Finally I can now claim complete computer illiteracy!

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

Ok likewise..in case of the Unknown as you call it or some choose to say Spirituality...we have no idea about it as much and if one is in the exploring stage of getting a grasp of it but yet to reach a stage of full control it is UNETHICAL to start to prescribe it to others when there is no full understanding of it yet.

There is no harm one goes into research mode but do not go into application mode of trying to change temperature,curing illness..transfer of spiritual powers etc.

This can be harmful and the question that also comes to the mind is ..Great Masters themselves rarely do this cos they know the Karmic consequences on others and also self.

This is all I am saying...Spirituality is Unknown...Unknown is a polite word for our ignorance..till then its better we do not use any unproven power claiming its beneficial when it could actually be harmful.[/QUOTE]

Hi Renuka JI
I accept what u say but only when people use their energy without knowing abt it on other people.if a particular person understand the pattern and nature of energy they are giving and when it give u positive results.then it can be done on others with careful precautions and the consent of the receiver. There are many who practice energy medicine...even the incurable diseases is also cured. There are even documentation of those energy medicines.

The Great masters found their knowledge sooner than we do now. and man caused pollution to the nature so its giving it back to us.Its something we have to accept. and changing the pattern of the nature is forcing them to obey. we have to think abt how we polluted and we have to rectify, not by using our spiritual energy.

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

Dear Sravna,

An overdose of spirituality is also toxic.

Making people believe that spiritual powers can be used to control temperature,boiling water,putting off fireworks,diffusing bombs,bringing down military power of USA...all these are also Toxic a.k.a poison.

To reform anything...one needs to be a Karma Yogi and not a Spiritual Bhogi.

Hi guys
if any of ur friends and family members need an antidote for spiritual poisoning i'll be ready to give them for free. no offence.
Actually der is an antidote....lets say not one 5 antidotes are der(so far i have found only 5 sry guys:nod:tape::laugh::laugh:

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

All this spiritual stuff can cause only personal damage to one member.

we would be wise to stop encouraging this.

It is a laughing matter bordering on the ridiculous if someone believes that he can change temperature,weather, or cure disease by spiritual powers.

Hi krish JI,
I accept It does damage. from SEVERE to Mild to Nothing. but not for all. For example if u take one shot of penicillin for ur infections u will RECOVER in several days.. But if i take this same amount i'll DIE in within few minutes. Reason- allergic reaction.
but we can find this by doing sensitivity test b4 administering the drug. Though it s difficult to test for spiritual sensitivity in an individual (even though there is) most of the time this energy used for the healing purpose wont affect the giver and receiver but if not done properly will have adverse effects for both the parties and in that "The Giver" is the one affected more.eace: