"Established Gurus" - how do you think these gurus (you mentioned above) get established? Is there any formal procedure to be followed? After all, these three had conflicting views and went to a great extent to refute the other.
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Two more tests for evidence of spiritual energy
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"Established Gurus" - how do you think these gurus (you mentioned above) get established? Is there any formal procedure to be followed? After all, these three had conflicting views and went to a great extent to refute the other.
May be true.
I have not read all their writings and compared. You pick a Guru that is not conflicting with your own formulated Spiritual beliefs and go with that. You find your answers to Spirituality by reading through one of these Gurus writings and find your own "Self Realization" according to Hindu dharma. If I follow Adishankara's then that is my choice since that Guru appeals to my Spirituality. If you wish to follow one of the others then so be it. I don't argue with you, that's all.
Spirituaity is within you and you have to discover it yourself.
Atomic energy is akin to Spiritual energy. No body knew about these until science postulated it and then proved and thereafter its effect was seen in modern times in WW II. In our Hindu epics we only know of these as "Brahmastra". All artists' conception of these have been arrows with special powers invoked by the user. After the atomic bomb was released and everybody saw its power then they started claiming atomic weapons were known during those epic periods as "Brahmastra" in our Hindu mythology.
So that is why we refer to a modern scientists' work as "Re Search" or search again for what was already known. Yes, this may have been known during epic times, but we don't have concrete evidence of this in the battle field that we know was Kurukshetra. Is there any evidence of radioactivity in Kurukshetra? Or is there another more mightier weapon than the atomic bomb that is the "Brahmastra"?
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I remember seeing an episode of Ancient Aliens covering the topic of radioactivity in Kurukshetra.
I watch that show all the time. I have not seeen that particular episode you mention. I will look for it on you tube may be.
In India though most of our Religious leaders dissuade any Scientific enquiry into such mythological "Truths".
Isnt that the way the modern gurus are also chosen and followed?
Sadly quite true!
My tests for "Modern Day Gurus" is as follows:
1. Does the Guru travel the World seeking students and enticing them with favors?
2. Does he give bombastic speeches and try to show of his knowledge of ALL Vedic scriptures?
4. Does he build fancy Mansions and Temples and sit on a Gilted throne and flaunt his financial wealth?
5. Does he encourage retreats around the world and travel there giving his blessings and trains people on "Spirituality".
6. Other tests that suit your own individual desire to seek the "Spirituality" in you through "Self Realization".
Lastly each person is his own judge of what one seeks as "Spirituality".
This is too vast a subject to explain in a thread!
In My opinion our MahaPeriyava was the only known acceptable "Modern Day Guru".
He never sought students and only answered questions asked of Him.
He has truly read the scriptures and tried to interpret it for us as best as he could.
He lived his life as prescribed for a person of his monastic standing and demonstrated that even with all the pressures of modern life an ascetic life is quite possible, while maintaining the balance of social commitments and hermit life.
Again you can add to this list with your own experiences or perceived by others as illustrated in the other ongoing thread in TB on "MahaPeriyava's Teachings and Messages"
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This is a picture I painted of MahaPeriyava in 1969 when I was in college that we have in our Pooja Room at home today!
Even today I wonder how I did it!
I consider this to be my personal "Spiritual Insight"
I have seen him "In Flesh" and He is "MY SPIRITUAL GURU"
If He had any failings, any that I am not aware of, I accept that too!
He Himself has humbly admitted
"I do not have any Spirituality nor am I a Mahaan, but it is just the consolation that you get relaying your troubles to me and feeling that I have given you solace and comfort"
This is a picture I painted of MahaPeriyava in 1969 when I was in college that we have in our Pooja Room at home today!
Even today I wonder how I did it!
I consider this to be my personal "Spiritual Insight"
I have seen him "In Flesh" and He is "MY SPIRITUAL GURU"
If He had any failings, any that I am not aware of, I accept that too!
He Himself has humbly admitted
"I do not have any Spirituality nor am I a Mahaan, but it is just the consolation that you get relaying your troubles to me and feeling that I have given you solace and comfort"
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sravna
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Dear Shri Ray Sundar,
Thanks for your email and thanks for your suggestion for a controlled experiment for testing spiritual power on temperature. for the benefit of others , I believe you would not mind if I talk about it here. Yours is a well thought out setting for the experiment. It can find out the effect of spiritual power on temperature in a precise way.
I will also suggest a very simple experiment for testing spiritual energy.
Two people at different places, one preferably in India and another say in the U.S may volunteer. You could be the person doing it in the U.S if you accept.
What we can do is to take two vessels filled with water and boil them till evaporation. I will at the time agreed start to use spiritual energy to bring the temperature of one of them down. You can measure the effect after a few minutes and verify the effect of spiritual energy on temperature.
If verified people can understand that spiritual energy can control chaotic energy and can act at a distance.
Another experiment I suggest is to verify whether spiritual energy can act in the future. For this you select a time in the future at which you would heat the water, and inform me 1 week ahead of that time. You can do perform the experiment any time in that 1 week. If verified it would show that spiritual energy can act on energies in the future and can reduce their force.
Attention Shri.Sundar: Pursuant to our email communication, I would like to add that this is a very simple set up and will definitely show the effects of spiritual energy, one of the vessels being a lot less hot than the other.
Any volunteers welcome
Thanks for your email and thanks for your suggestion for a controlled experiment for testing spiritual power on temperature. for the benefit of others , I believe you would not mind if I talk about it here. Yours is a well thought out setting for the experiment. It can find out the effect of spiritual power on temperature in a precise way.
I will also suggest a very simple experiment for testing spiritual energy.
Two people at different places, one preferably in India and another say in the U.S may volunteer. You could be the person doing it in the U.S if you accept.
What we can do is to take two vessels filled with water and boil them till evaporation. I will at the time agreed start to use spiritual energy to bring the temperature of one of them down. You can measure the effect after a few minutes and verify the effect of spiritual energy on temperature.
If verified people can understand that spiritual energy can control chaotic energy and can act at a distance.
Another experiment I suggest is to verify whether spiritual energy can act in the future. For this you select a time in the future at which you would heat the water, and inform me 1 week ahead of that time. You can do perform the experiment any time in that 1 week. If verified it would show that spiritual energy can act on energies in the future and can reduce their force.
Attention Shri.Sundar: Pursuant to our email communication, I would like to add that this is a very simple set up and will definitely show the effects of spiritual energy, one of the vessels being a lot less hot than the other.
Any volunteers welcome
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Spirituality is something that can not be understood my our five senses and also by common men or women, who struggle for their daily bread. We can not understand our mind. Like that we can not understand spirituality and spiritual person also.Anything which makes more conflict in the mind leading to endless confusion has to be discontinued, otherwise everything is normal only.May be it needs a different mind setup and perception to know more about psychology and spirituality.
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Dear Subharama,
It appears that you are implying that Scientists cannot understand, accept or examine Spiritual Power Concept not can Spiritualists understand, accept nor choose to allow examination of Spiritual Powers by scientists, because its taboo according to some Spiritual Masters!
I think Spiritual power depends on Faith and Faith is taboo in Science.
The five senses are our physical connection to the world and Universe as a whole.
The sixth sense is what is referred to as Spiritual Sense which is quite abstract and often subjective.
It is actually the outcome/result of using our five senses.
Contrary to what you say, the person who is struggling to get his/her daily bread(the beggar) is the one who actually invokes your Spiritual Senses.
That beggar must be deemed as God.
Psychology is already a Science and we are trying to see if Spirituality is too!
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Dear Sravna,
In response to your thread item #159.
Yes go ahead and send me an email outlining some details of the first simple boiling water experiment that you propose.
We have to coordinate taking into account a 12:30 hrs forward difference between Chennai and Mesa, AZ.
So kindly bear that in mind when you propose experiments.
Usually I am in my morning Puja/Prayers and Meditation/Gayathri Japam between 9:00-10:00 am our time, which is 9:30-10:30 pm Chennai time.
In response to your thread item #159.
Yes go ahead and send me an email outlining some details of the first simple boiling water experiment that you propose.
We have to coordinate taking into account a 12:30 hrs forward difference between Chennai and Mesa, AZ.
So kindly bear that in mind when you propose experiments.
Usually I am in my morning Puja/Prayers and Meditation/Gayathri Japam between 9:00-10:00 am our time, which is 9:30-10:30 pm Chennai time.
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sravna
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Dear Shri Sundar,
As I proposed water in two vessels will be boiled. One of the vessels will be marked "S" and the other "C". I will work on the water in the vessel marked "S". You have to check whether the water in vessel "S" cools faster.
You can start the experiment at 12 noon your time this Sunday.
Is that fine?
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Boyels law (pv=k or p1v1=p2v2) at constant temperature !
In spiritual "Boils" Law - temperature goes down ! Water in S pot will cool faster! Wish you success - Hope this is not a potboiler !
In spiritual "Boils" Law - temperature goes down ! Water in S pot will cool faster! Wish you success - Hope this is not a potboiler !
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Dear Sravna,
This Sunday is not possible. We have Ganesh Visarjan festival at our MahaGanapathi Temple of AZ on Sunday(tomorrow)and we will be there at noon.
Since I am the scientific experimental engineer, I need prep time for the experiment.
Let me get the vessels and thermometers ready, and some video equipment to capture the events.
We have at least one Physics prof, throwing out equations at us and so we have to make it worthy of the Prof's concern.
Also I have to now worry about psvs and pcvc. I need equal v containers and material.
Also do all the people who are interested in this have to be "Faithful" or is it only your "Faith" that is affecting the temperature with me playing just the "scientific observer" role.
Since I have a Ph.D in experimental Aerodynamics I just want to make even a "Simple Experiment" worthwhile and which/who's "Spiritual Power Sources" are at play in this experiment.
For me the best times would be early morning, say 6:00 - 6:30 am our time which would be evening hours for you.
Let me first collect my equipment and get ready and then I will report back to this forum and its keen observers.
Science needs "proof" and "Spirits" need belief/faith.
So we cannot combine both in the same sentence!
The current experiment requires "Scientific Faith" and "Spiritual Proof".
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Holy Cow!
We now have a physics prof on board as observer.
I think I am in trouble with criticism now.
I hope the rest of your are not thinking that the two of us are "crackpots" in this "potboiler" experiment!
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Janaki Jambunathan
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Hallal Beef!
Everyone here is keenly watching the "potboiler" experiment and are fully concious - not lying on the table connected to the "Boyle's Apparatus"!
Please don't kill my Holy Cow!
Glad to get encouragement from the Spiritual observers.
I am currently working on the test apparatus and will post pictures of the same for criticism/suggestions.
I am not taking this experiment lightly.
I sincerely want to know if Sravna can use his "Spiritual Powers" to absorb energy selectively.
I will first do it his way.
I would rather have him "Boil" one of the pots instead, because that would be totally counter intuitive to any one's expectation.
Cooling is expected and subject to various factors.
But boiling it differentially would really be a "Miracle" and quite observable too!
Don't you agree!
Sravna and the Spiritual team,
The experimental setup is ready.
There are two identical copper bottomed kadais as shown in left image.
The left kadai is S and the right side is C
Two digital thermometers positioned to dip into the water when I close the lid as shown on the right image.
A digital video camera to capture the local time (USA, AZ time= Chennai Time-12:30 hrs) and the thermometer readings.
Please review and let me know if any enhancements are needed.
I think the video will be clear enough to read off the digital thermometers.
I just need to sync with Sravna on when I pour boiling water into the two Kadais.
I will work out with him via whatsap possibly once I get his smartphone number, via private email.
I am shooting for following Sun Sep 18, 2016, 6:00 am AZ time(= 6:30 pm Chennai time).
Let the Healing begin!
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Belive me I am neither a cow eater nor hater ! Hence I dont kill cows But like a Cowcatcher - try to avoid derailment of the train - the scientific experiment! - Yes you have installed the thermometers etc to record the temperature How do you you record the spiritually energy that is to enter pot S? in Joules or Watts ? How do you correlate your observation on cooling with spiritual energy - Make sure that there are no False postive or Negative results You have not taken the experiment lightly I know and hence these suggestions!
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sravna
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Dear Shri Sundar.
Making the physical energy into unchanging energy is what spiritual energy does. So it can bring the chaotic heat energy under control. But the reverse which is creating more chaotic energy and say, producing heat is in my view more difficult. Let me give it a try on that too and see if it works after the first experiment is done with.
I cannot resist using the parlance of advaita for the above two cases, which are de-projecting and projecting maya . I believe both abilities are inbuilt in one who can use spiritual power. Anyway, let us wait for the results.
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