Two more tests for evidence of spiritual energy

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may we have the results please?....

 

[renuka]

Awaiting results.

 

[sravna]

Folks,

Mr.Sundar has informed me that the experiment was performed. I request him to post the results and the video shots of the experiment.

 

[raysundar]

Awaiting the results.

Dear Sravna/Other Spiritual Masters/followers,
On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 an experiment was conducted by Sravna and myself.
Here at Mesa, AZ, USA, two Kadais marked S and C were filled with hot water and two thermometers were inserted to observe the temperature changes due to cooling effects of environment/spiritual energies exuded/absorbed by Sravna in Chennai.

Pre-negotiated with Sravna, I started the experiment precisely at 6:00 am AZ time(6:30 pm Chennai time).
I recorded a full 25 min video starting from pouring hot water and thereafter continuous observation of temperature of for about a total of 26 mins(5:59 am-6:25 am, AZ time).
The video along with some still shots showing the setup are posted here.

"PotBoiler_Experiment"
(https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B24xQNZ-ct0WTklBb1hGZ1JRQU0)
The dates encoded on the video filenames are in American style mmddyy.

I called it the "PotBoiler Experiment", so nicknamed by our esteemed Spiritual veteran observer, Janaki Jambunathan.
Basically, the experiment did not go as predicted.
The temperature of both vessels dropped at the same rate. The S remained consistently hotter by about 1 to 1.5 deg throughout the time period.
I think Sravna, wants to retry this with a future forecasted date when he wishes his energies to affect the experiment.
I will coordinate that with him and perform a repeat experiment as desired by Sravna.
Let us catch his "Spiritual Energies" at work.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Chatti suttathada
Kai vittahada!

Listen to.the "Potboiler"

https://youtu.be/LqH4N1BsxEU

http://tamil-lyrics.in/satti-suttathada-aalayamani/

 

[raysundar]

Chatti suttathada
Kai vittahada!

Listen to.the "Potboiler"

Thanks JJ,

From that song:
"... paathi manathil deivam irunthu paarthukkondathada.."
But our's was a wholehearted attempt to prove that the spirit had energy.

But we will continue trying to seek experimental evidence for the same.
Just be patient.
Sravna can do it!
May be my scientific mind is interfering with Sravna's attempt.
We need to find a way to insulate the experiment from me!

 

[renuka]

So results are finally out.

Lets wait for discussion as why the experiment didnt give the desired results and also why the pot labelled S was hotter all the while and not cooler as it should have been.

Waiting for Ray and Sravna to give their explanation.

 

[raysundar]

Oh BTW,
that Aalayamani song used to be broadcast precisely at 6:00 pm every evening on Radio Ceylon, and my mother would scream at me to shut off the radio, since she was just then lighting the swami vilakku in the evening!

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Looks the spiritual hotspot in Chennai beyond the reach of experimental hot pot. - unable to download the energy!

 

[auh]

Even if one vessel had cooled rapidly than the other, how can it be proved that it was due to some "spiritual" energy that is supposedly generated by Sravna???

 

[renuka]

Since results are out...we can discuss the outcome under headings like:

1)Why rapid cooling did not take place?

2)Why pot labelled S was always a little hotter than the other pot? Was it becos of difference in pot density or burner was more efficient?

I have noticed even one burner of my gas stove burns more efficiently that the other one..so all these factors needs to be taken into consideration.

3)Direction of wind blowing into kitchen..was it blowing more at one burner?

4)Resistance of spiritual energy by other unseen factors?

5)Loss of spiritual energy becos of distance it traversed from Chennai to USA?

6)Resisting energy from Ray?



It would be a good discussion.

Sravna..over to you..we can all discuss this scientifically.

 

[renuka]

Even if one vessel had cooled rapidly than the other, how can it be proved that it was due to some "spiritual" energy that is supposedly generated by Sravna???

Valid question.

 

[sravna]

Sorry Folks for the delay in posting. I have a problem with my internet connection.

First of all let me thank Shri Sundar for having conducted the experiment in a scientific way.

As far as the results are concerned, I am surprised because this is something have performed before and achieved successful results.

But I doa gree that the methods employed were correct, the measurements were accurate and so it is a valid experiment but frankly folks I do not think the results are sound.But I qm not in the least blaming anybody or anything for this. I think without anybody's intention something has gone wrong.

I do not want to convince myself that spiritual energy exists. I also do not want people to come to a wrong view about spiritual enrgy because it can substantially impede our progress and understanding of spiritual energy and our acquisition of new knowledge. It is in that spirit that I plan to unequivocally show the existence of spiritual energy. Give me some time folks. I will come up with an idea.

Thanks for everybody's patience. Ultimately it is our quest for knowledge that should prevail and not petty ego clashes.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

Ultimately its answers and evidence that everyone seeks....its not ego clashes.

Why do we have to keep waiting when you have not come up with any evidence?


But whatever said and done...the results were not in accordance with your spiritual powers..in fact I would not be wrong to say that the temperature of the S pot was higher...did spiritual energy used have a reverse effect?

This would be DANGEROUS.


Also this shows the Spiritual Energy is not reliable at all.

Why do you feel the results are NOT sound?

Now its clear that you did NOT decrease the Summer temperature in Chennai.

 

[auh]

Sorry Folks for the delay in posting. I have a problem with my internet connection.

First of all let me thank Shri Sundar for having conducted the experiment in a scientific way.

As far as the results are concerned, I am surprised because this is something have performed before and achieved successful results.

But I doa gree that the methods employed were correct, the measurements were accurate and so it is a valid experiment but frankly folks I do not think the results are sound.But I qm not in the least blaming anybody or anything for this. I think without anybody's intention something has gone wrong.

I do not want to convince myself that spiritual energy exists. I also do not want people to come to a wrong view about spiritual enrgy because it can substantially impede our progress and understanding of spiritual energy and our acquisition of new knowledge. It is in that spirit that I plan to unequivocally show the existence of spiritual energy. Give me some time folks. I will come up with an idea.

Thanks for everybody's patience. Ultimately it is our quest for knowledge that should prevail and not petty ego clashes.

Sravna, you could perhaps take a wee bit of feather or hair and place it in your palm, in a closed room with no other disturbances, and try to lift it to eye level using your "spiritual" energy only and no other. And when that is done, you could post the video and stake your claim.

 

[raysundar]

Ok Folks,
I have completed analysis of two video recordings from a trial run on 9/12/16 and the Potboiler experiment on 9/18/16. I plotted the temperature every 1 min from 6:00 to 6:20 from both videos. The temperature changes are consistent in both and clearly the Potboiler experiment did not show any evidence of afffect by any Spiritual Forces/Energies/powers.

A pdf document and this picture have been added to the folder below for your reference.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B24xQNZ-ct0WMVY0clFkMG9XU0k
My Spiritual conclusion is that Sravna's Spiritual exercise did not work as expected.
However, I have one observation. Me the observer may be the jinx in this situation.
You have heard sayings like "A watched pot does not boil".
In this case it was the opposite, it did not cool any faster as expected.
I am reminded of the electron microscope used to see details at fairly "atomic" levels.
One cannot see the electron itself, because the tool used interferes with the observation.
I think the same effect is effective. My spirit interferes with the spiritual observation.
I was only hoping to experience the Spirits effect, much like the electrons effect can only be felt.

 

[raysundar]

Since results are out...we can discuss the outcome under headings like:

1)Why rapid cooling did not take place?

2)Why pot labelled S was always a little hotter than the other pot? Was it becos of difference in pot density or burner was more efficient?

I have noticed even one burner of my gas stove burns more efficiently that the other one..so all these factors needs to be taken into consideration.

3)Direction of wind blowing into kitchen..was it blowing more at one burner?

4)Resistance of spiritual energy by other unseen factors?

5)Loss of spiritual energy becos of distance it traversed from Chennai to USA?

6)Resisting energy from Ray?



It would be a good discussion.

Sravna..over to you..we can all discuss this scientifically.

Only items 4 and 6 is are applicable and probably correct.
Other items:
1. Cooling was just normal. not rapid.
2. The water was boiled separately in a bigger container and the transferred to the vessels.
3. The experiment was done a different room, and our house is completely sealed due to central a/c. The ceiling fan was not turned on. The a/c was not blowing since it was early morning hours. There was no active burner at the experiment.
4. Resistance might be from me the Spiritual/Scientific observer.
5. No energy transfer by Spirits so could be a total loss( It did not have Visa to enter the USA!)
6. Resistance from Ray covered under 4
I hope that answers all you Spiritual/Scientific questions.
Yes feel free to poke/dig at such experiments.
Only the faithful shall be rewarded.

 

[raysundar]

Even if one vessel had cooled rapidly than the other, how can it be proved that it was due to some "spiritual" energy that is supposedly generated by Sravna???

That is why I did an earlier trail run to establish the normal cooling curve of the two vessels in the same room at the same location at the same time of the day but an earlier date.
I was expecting the Potboiler test to be different from my previous trial run.
But it did not seem any different.
Even if I had seen different trends I would have to repeat it several times to establish consistency of the Spiritual effect. Scientific proof requires repeated observations of the same effect and if possible at different locations.
The results I have plotted show consistent regression results between the two dates.
So question the Science as much as you please, and I will answer them faithfully.

 

[renuka]

My spirit interferes with the spiritual observation.
.

Well if you say so...then what about the thought waves of a millions of others that the spiritual power had to traverse from Chennai to USA? Did that dampen the effect of the spiritual energy of Sravna?

Did the Spiritual power actually travel a transatlantic distance or it was beyond time and space and faster than the speed of light?

Sravna needs to get back to everyone on this on what were the indicators on his side with regards to Spiritual Energy used in terms of speed,distance traveled and feedback mechanism and also what led to failure of intended outcome.

We need a post mortem on this experiment results.

 

[a-TB]

Have a question. Is there a test to prove there is no spiritual energy ?

 

[raysundar]

Well if you say so...then what about the thought waves of a millions of others that the spiritual power had to traverse from Chennai to USA? Did that dampen the effect of the spiritual energy of Sravna?

Did the Spiritual power actually travel a transatlantic distance or it was beyond time and space and faster than the speed of light?

Sravna needs to get back to everyone on this on what were the indicators on his side with regards to Spiritual Energy used in terms of speed,distance traveled and feedback mechanism and also what led to failure of intended outcome.

We need a post mortem on this experiment results.

Renuka,
If thought waves are electromagnetic waves like the one used to communicate on cell phones then yes they can distinguish themselves, just like billions of phone calls reaching their proper destinations cell or land lines across the globe. You can always call my cell number and it will reach me no matter where I am among millions of other cell users. Actually clouds can obscure electromagnetic radiations, like light or other communications like satellite signals.
Thought waves are possibly the only waves that may travel faster than light speed. Nothing else does according to scientific theories.
Sravna needs to refine his techniques on focusing thought waves to reach a particular "inanimate" destination.
I have faith in the concept of thought waves communicating across two thinking beings. Even animals have such instincts and they are usually better than humans. Just watch the coordination between a pride of female lions attacking a dedicated prey like the wildabeest or an elephant. The female lions communicate with each other merely through thought waves, driven purely by the need for food.
I believe Humans are the lowest form of thinking beings that cannot communicate with each other via thought waves.
It takes extensive military training for soldiers to perform a coordinated attack simply using visual and signal communications. The Navy seals are trained in techniques like the animals use in a coordinated attack.

So do not go into "post mortem" as yet. I thought you were a successful practicing doctor who saves people from dying too easily. I hope your are not one of those doctors working in a private hospital/clinic like the one Ramana exposes in the movie of that name!
I just hope I am not being as harsh on you Renuka as you were on Sravna.

I still have faith in Sravna's ventures.
If it was true that during the mythological days of Rama and the times before that, people used telepathic communications, then today we are all simply deplorable human beings. That's all.
In conclusion I just am afraid that my scientific enquiring mind is interfering with my spiritual mind in trying to get a grasp on Sravna's ventures.
If you have a scientific/doctoral solution then please feel free to contribute ideas. Constructive criticism is fine.

 

[raysundar]

Have a question. Is there a test to prove there is no spiritual energy ?

Is there a scientific test to prove that there is or is not a God? Atheist just don't believe in God that's all.
Do you believe everything you see?
If there is a postulate, then it is a scientists job to prove it or disprove it.
I am the scientist here with faith. That's an odd but not too uncommon combination.
If you read about quantum theory it will almost sound like spiritual theories.
All those atom cutting experiments with billion dollar equipment is what it takes to prove those theories.
Despite all that the electron is only a postulate. You can only sense its energy field indirectly.
So is the case with Spiritual energy. Its is a very subjective experience currently, using faith as the only tool to realize it.
I am trying to be objective and conduct scientific experiments to prove or disprove its existence. Whatever the outcome of the experiments.
Just have faith in my Scientific approach.
I do have a Ph.D in scientific testing, in the field of unsteady aerodynamics.
Many practicing Physician/Doctors/Medical practitioners have already seen miracles beyond their scientific beliefs.
So be faithful.

 

[renuka]

So do not go into "post mortem" as yet. I thought you were a successful practicing doctor who saves people from dying too easily. I hope your are not one of those doctors working in a private hospital/clinic like the one Ramana exposes in the movie of that name!
I just hope I am not being as harsh on you Renuka as you were on Sravna.

LOL!

Naah...I am not driven by money to be such a Ramana movie doctor even though I used to love doing Autopsy when I was in the hospitals..the morgue has a calm of silence that can not be got anywhere else in the hospital.

My job is just to do my duty right..no place for sentiments etc.Live or Death is actually not in anyone's hands.

BTW part of my harshness to Sravna is not to encourage delusion..part of my duty of being a doctor is to make sure there is well being of both body and mind.

Sometimes soothing words can be damaging but harsh reality can be a life saving wake up call.

So I will continue my contributing my ideas as long it does not damage anyone psychologically.

BTW I do not think your post to me is harsh..not S&M!LOL

May be there is some spiritual reason behind this..lets see if pain and spirituality are connected!LOL

 

[raysundar]

LOL!

..part of my duty of being a doctor is to make sure there is well being of both body and mind.

Sometimes soothing words can be damaging but harsh reality can be a life saving wake up call.

..lets see if pain and spirituality are connected!LOL

I just seem to love picking on your words.
1. Good health is a sound mind in a healthy body.
2. Soothing words of some nurses have produced miraculous healing with terminally ill patients.
3. Pain is associated with the brain function, so in that sense it is a spiritual experience. I understand you doctors use something called anesthesia to numb the pain/disconnect the brain function.

I believe in Malaysia, they have Hindu Murugan temples where devout people pierce arrows through their mouth and go around in procession with the deity in "Oorvalam"/procession. The same is true in South India too.

 

[renuka]

Blue are my answers.

I just seem to love picking on your words.
1. Good health is a sound mind in a healthy body.

Agreed and social-economic well being too.


2. Soothing words of some nurses have produced miraculous healing with terminally ill patients.

Agreed...soothing words for terminally ill but if one is deluded its almost impossible to get tru their mind.

This is when soft approach does not work.


3. Pain is associated with the brain function, so in that sense it is a spiritual experience. I understand you doctors use something called anesthesia to numb the pain/disconnect the brain function.

True.

I believe in Malaysia, they have Hindu Murugan temples where devout people pierce arrows through their mouth and go around in procession with the deity in "Oorvalam"/procession. The same is true in South India too.

Thaipusam...Batu malai Muruganukku arogara..

Yes..its interesting to watch..faith can totally delete pain and infection too.