Vikatan- What If No Tasmac ?

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Vikatan- What If No Tasmac ?





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[krish44]

Poor are in trouble due to elections around the corner.

There is competitive politics on prohibition.

To say that tamilnadu alone is facing drinking problem is a gimmick for vote catching.

still AP border is only 6 hours away .

One would have to go across for a quick one .

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Too much is made on the topic.

Heaven will not fall down if there is no Tasmac. Earlier we had no Tasmac in Tamil Nadu .

Now Opposition Parties have started demanding for Prohibition and if there is no Tasmac, they will be looking out for some other demand.

Anti liquor movement is growing up everyday. Who knows the ruling party itself will take a favourable decision to deal with the situation amicably after finding out enough sources to manage the expenditure to meet out the commitments made on offer of freebies.

The family members of the poor will be so happy.

 

[krish44]

One can listen to jiten ram manjhi , leader of mahadalits in bihar ,a NDA ally who advised everyone to keep away from criticizing mahadalits who drink after a hard days work to relieve themselves.

He says that thats the only happiness they have.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

One can listen to jiten ram manjhi , leader of mahadalits in bihar ,a NDA ally who advised everyone to keep away from criticizing mahadalits who drink after a hard days work to relieve themselves.

He says that thats the only happiness they have.

TASMAC is in Tamil Nadu.

Dragging Jiten Manjhi of Bihar is quite unnecessary.

Those who have more time left at their disposal, can very well sit before a system and type out irrelevant information and drag, derail or twist the topic to their merriness.

Better to stick to the topic.

 

[krish44]

most of the states including tamilnadu and delhi have govt corporations for distribution of liquor,

Now states have been authorised to license breweries also by the centre.

It is a political move by an opposition party in tamilnadu to cash in on prohibition.

All this is doomed to failure.

State has no right to interfere in private lives of its people to decide what they should drink or eat.

state starts doing such things, courts can move in to strike it down.

very strong intervention by bombay high court on opening of meat shops is a pointer.

Brahmins should keep away from such topics.

It does not concern them in any way.

 

[sangom]

One can listen to jiten ram manjhi , leader of mahadalits in bihar ,a NDA ally who advised everyone to keep away from criticizing mahadalits who drink after a hard days work to relieve themselves.

He says that thats the only happiness they have.

I think what is said is relevant, not who said and where. For example pro-prohibitionists may quote Mahatma Gandhi saying in Delhi, some other "worthy" saying some where else, etc., so long as the tune is "Don't drink!".

Manjhi is 100% correct, in my view. The doctor in the soundcloud talked about de-addiction; it takes much money and a minimum of 6 months to one year's time. The pseudo-prohibitionists will understand only when (and if) their sewerage is clogged and even for a fortune, they won't get somebody to climb down into the sewerage pipe and remove all the muck manually, and they are faced with the prospect of doing such jobs themselves or by importing very costly jigs from abroad. Many similar, unfashionable jobs will suffer and life in both cities and villages will come to a grinding halt.

Sree Narayana Guru of Kerala also wanted his ezhava followers to completely dissociate themselves with manufacture, sale and drinking of toddy; but his followers were wise enough not to pay heed to his delusional advice. Today the SNDP thrives on the thousands of crores of rupees earned from the toddy and liquour sector!

 

[auh]

Too much is made on the topic.

Heaven will not fall down if there is no Tasmac. Earlier we had no Tasmac in Tamil Nadu .

Now Opposition Parties have started demanding for Prohibition and if there is no Tasmac, they will be looking out for some other demand.

Anti liquor movement is growing up everyday. Who knows the ruling party itself will take a favourable decision to deal with the situation amicably after finding out enough sources to manage the expenditure to meet out the commitments made on offer of freebies.

The family members of the poor will be so happy.

IT wud only boost illegal brewing of arrack. This means more ways for the police to earch some money!!

 

[V.Balasubramani]

IT wud only boost illegal brewing of arrack. This means more ways for the police to earch some money!!

auh ji,

There are two things, one being the fact that Police Department functions under the able leadership of C.M. (Whoever the C.M). And the public with great hope elect the C.M. and expects him/her to deliver the goods. And the Chief Minister who is the Minister for Home Department is responsible if there is corruption in Police Department.

And the second thing is, even if there is illicit brewing, the money looted will be in directly distributed to several lakhs of Police personnel instead of 'lion share' going into the pockets of few who owns the distilleries with political connections now.

Think about it.

Just go through this link:

"Tamil Nadu's 'corrupt' cash cow TASMAC: How politics & liquor came to form a potent mix in the state"


Link: http://articles.economictimes.india...940995_1_tasmac-illicit-liquor-quality-liquor

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Jiren Ram Manjii is not 100% right, bcos he himself has retracted his own statement later.

Members in this Forum seems depend on the statements of these few politicians who utter........... at times.

First of all what Mr. Jiten Ram Manjhi said is not a peal of wisdom. He is a politician who always has eye on ‘vote bank’ and
definitely not public welfare. One should know the difference. And Bihar is one of States that rely on alcohol revenue to meet out its bills.

Here in Tamil Nadu ‘TASMAC’ is owned by the Government unlike in other States. That makes the difference in sharing the revenue earned, the booty. Here the revenue earned out of TASMAC is passed on to few pockets Big Guns, who have in direct political connection.(Link: http://articles.economictimes.indiat...quality-liquor)

And few who advocate against ‘Prohibition’ conveniently 'black out' such facts that the very same Jiten Ram Manjhi has retracted most of his statements later on prompting the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party to allege that the Chief minister did not have the freedom to air his views.

Before pouring one’s thoughts, it is better to verify the facts.

 

[krish44]

During american civil war , General Grant was run down due to his love for drink.

Abraham Lincoln who was fond of him as he gave him victories declared ' find out what he drinks, we will give it to others also'.

chief minister of a border state in india who is in power at present also had a suffix whiskey added to his name due to his love for the drink.He used to consume it

many times a day.

One should not promote outdated views such as prohibition and try justifying it.

If 17% tamil nadu people like it and consume it, It is best not to interfere as it is their life and health.

Denial of anything leads to more issues than solving any.

How many will forego the freebies given by govt. for the sake of prohibition?

I know many upper castes who are well off get the freebies with ration cards meant for weaker sections.

Freebies culture is so widespread in tamilnadu as it was encouraged by both dravidian parties.

Of course there are the issues of illicit hooch and enforcement issues leading to further corruption and more work for the police force who are already over worked.

Best is to leave the issue alone.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

If 17% tamil nadu people like it and consume it, It is best not to interfere as it is their life and health.

It is not only bcos of the good will on the health and family of the poor 17% who like it but it is against the few politicians and Big Guns who are making best out of TASMAC which is nothing but exploitation of the poor.

Best thing is to fight for good cause without resorting to violence as frequently reported ransacking of TASMAC outlets by the public.

[h=1]"Protesters ransack Tasmac outlet in Coimbatore[/h]http://articles.economictimes.india...940995_1_tasmac-illicit-liquor-quality-liquor


Again it is public money!

 

[auh]

auh ji,

There are two things, one being the fact that Police Department functions under the able leadership of C.M. (Whoever the C.M). And the public with great hope elect the C.M. and expects him/her to deliver the goods. And the Chief Minister who is the Minister for Home Department is responsible if there is corruption in Police Department.

And the second thing is, even if there is illicit brewing, the money looted will be in directly distributed to several lakhs of Police personnel instead of 'lion share' going into the pockets of few who owns the distilleries with political connections now.

Think about it.

Just go through this link:

"Tamil Nadu's 'corrupt' cash cow TASMAC: How politics & liquor came to form a potent mix in the state"


Link: http://articles.economictimes.india...940995_1_tasmac-illicit-liquor-quality-liquor

So, in effect it would seem that the "kudimagan" of this country would still get his cuppa drink, tasmac or not tasmac, only that it might be highly dangerous for his health. In what way does abolishing tasmac help here, sir? To the comman man.

 

[sangom]

So, in effect it would seem that the "kudimagan" of this country would still get his cuppa drink, tasmac or not tasmac, only that it might be highly dangerous for his health. In what way does abolishing tasmac help here, sir? To the comman man.

Politicians get, through excise department, many times more than what they get from tasmac because, once prohibition is in place, illicit brewing is highly illegal/criminal and so the "hafta" rates will be many times more. Secondly, the lower level excise people will have no role.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

In what way does abolishing tasmac help here, sir? To the comman man.

auh Ji,

Comman man is saved from becoming an addict.

Large number of poor families are saved from economical and emotional sufferings.

Women are saved from committing suicide unable to bear the torture of their alcohol addicted husbands in poor families

It is reported that in recent years, ‘Crime’ rate has gone up due to proliferating drunkards.

There are studies to establish that more than half of the crime are caused by assailants in drunken state.

Similarly ‘law and order’ problems, petty quarrel, drunken brawl are all due to drunkenness.

The precious time of law enforcing agencies in dealing with such drunkards are saved which can be better utilized

It may be either domestic violence, sudden provocation due to the influence of intoxicating drink or vehicle accidental deaths, I mean ‘drunken driving’. Of late, drunken driving is becoming a menace in few roads, more especially on ECR and other roads at Chennai.

Lot of precious lives are saved.

One should realize that the poor masses are becoming frogs which are slowly being boiled alive and cooked to death.

There won't be much young widows in poor families.

The fact remains that dealing with problems caused by the alcoholism costs three times more than the amount of revenue the Government, gets through sale of IMFL thro TASMAC. Why this unnecessary expenditure?

Above all, it is country's interest first.

The father of the nation was in favour of prohibition. He strongly believed that this evil habit will ruin life of the poor.
Simply printing his picture in currency notes and throwing his ideals in the air is not acceptable.

I quote below his statement, which is self explanatory..
….It is criminal to spend the income from the sale of intoxicants on the education of the nation’s children or other public services. The government must overcome the temptation of using such revenue for nation-building purposes. Experience has shown that the moral and physical gain of the abstainer more than makes up for the loss of this tainted revenue. If we eradicate the evil, we will easily find other ways and means of increasing the nation’s income. (Mahatma Gandhi. Harijan. 21 September 1947)


And you know better the pros and cons of TASMAC

Do we need another Gandhi to fight....????

 

[renuka]

I can't understand the alcohol obsession in India.

How did this "culture" start?

The lower socio-economic status ruin their lives with alcohol and the same with the rich and famous..being alcoholics.

Its just that the poor drink cheap alcohol and the rich drink imported alcohol.

When I am in India ..I never fail to note that there are more bars than temples!

Alcohol with names like Black Dog,Teacher's choice.

Which licensing board allowed a name like Teacher's choice? What has a teacher got to do with drinking..and why insult a dog by naming a drink Black Dog when dogs do not drink alcohol?

Strange but true.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Alcohol with names like Black Dog,Teacher's choice.

Doctor Mam,

There is popular Rum by name ''Old Monk'.

I too don't understand naming of such hard drinks in English.

Though most of these drinks are made in distilleries located inside India, all of them are named in English. which is not an Indian language.

Some of the popular brand whiskies in the market are:

Officers Choice,
Original Choice
Director’s Special,
Royal Stag,
Old Tavern
Bag Piper
Imperial Blue
Gold Riband
Blenders Pride, etc

Here I would like to share a joke which I read recently in a weekly.

‘A’ went to an Office to ascertain the status of a certificate for which he had applied for and was pending for a long time. When he met the concerned clerk and enquired about the status, he was told that the Officer who has to approve the Certificate is demanding for ‘Signature’. ‘A’ replied immediately that he had already signed in the application. The clerk seems to have amused and asked ‘A’ to go and get ‘Signature’ Drink.