Who was 'that' Rama?

[biswa]

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Are there really two Gods, Rama (Vishnu) and Shiva?

Or are there really 33 crore gods as the ancient Hindus believed?

 

[Raji Ram]

Why only two, Biswa Sir? There are many more to suit our choice and like!

BTW, that 33 crores is the number of Devas and not Gods!

Their main job is to shower flowers on victorious Gods and Goddesses.

 

[tks]

I read it Sir. Thank you once again!

I wanted to shift the :boink: from that thread and hence opened a new one in G D.

Dear Smt RR - Good Move

Thanks for your kind comments

 

[tks]

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The truth lies, perhaps, very near the two Tamil stanzas of Siva Vaakkiyar. "நட்டகல்லும் பேசுமோ நாதனுள்ளிருக்கையில்" is a point which the DRDs (Devotionally and Religiously Deluded persons) will probably take eons of time more to even recognize as a possibility. It is because religions take people away from the real GOD, though the people in general believe that religion and devotion to an external god takes them closer to their (imagined) gods.

The (imagined) God/s of the DRDs, if such gods really exist too, will be having the last laugh in this scenario, and "Samsaara" will continue!

Dear Sri Sangom

As always you have noticed and rightly amplified the key part of a message

Thanks for your insight and comments !

 

[sangom]

Many scholars believe that the true and original Valmeeki's work did not include the bAlakANDam and UttarakANDam, and that what Valmiki wrote was, essentially, the story of a war or the account of some war which was in public memory. Valmiki's Rama was purely and entirely a human king; no more. He killed Ravana and won the war, freed his wife Seetha, he got himself crowned. It is very probable that the original Pattabhisheka Sarga ended with the line

सर्वे लक्षणसम्पन्नाः सर्वे धर्मपरायणाः || ६-१२८-१०६

And the subsequent verses are very likely, later interpolations so as to give the desired 'twist' to an ordinary human king to become a near-god entity!

 

[renuka]

Now I understand why we need to recite Asato Ma Sad Gamaya!LOL

There is so much Untruth even in religion becos of interpolation.

BTW who dared do all this interpolation..didnt they fear the "sin' of writing Untruth?

 

[zebra16]

Now I understand why we need to recite Asato Ma Sad Gamaya!LOL

There is so much Untruth even in religion becos of interpolation.

BTW who dared do all this interpolation..didnt they fear the "sin' of writing Untruth?

Who dared? The usual suspects. Some or some unknown group of "Brahmins" have always been reported to be the cause of **all interpolations** at least in this forum.

Didnt they fear the "sin" of writing untruth? If we are to go by the wisdom of the postings in this forum they "bribed" God or Almighty or Iswara or by whatever name he/she/it is known, by yajna, pooja and the like and obtained "Certificate of Exoneration" from the Competent Authority.

 

[prasad1]

Now I understand why we need to recite Asato Ma Sad Gamaya!LOL

There is so much Untruth even in religion becos of interpolation.

BTW who dared do all this interpolation..didnt they fear the "sin' of writing Untruth?

They were enlightened person, so they were beyond sin. (just a mirth).
It pays to lie, particularly when you please a person in power.

In the opinion of Urvashi Soorati, the Rama of Tulsidas is an amalgamation of Vishnu who takes avatars, Vishnu in the abode of Ksheera Sagara, Brahman and the Para manifestation of the Pancharatra.[SUP][/SUP] Macfie concludes that Tulsidas makes a "double claim", i.e. Rama is an incarnation of both Vishnu and Brahman.[SUP][/SUP] In the words of Lutgendorf, Tulsidas' Rama is at once "Valmiki's exemplary prince, the cosmic Vishnu of Puranas, and the transcendent brahman of the Advaitins."

 

[sangom]

Dear Sri Sangom

As always you have noticed and rightly amplified the key part of a message

Thanks for your insight and comments !

Shri tks sir,

Many thanks.

 

[sangom]

Now I understand why we need to recite Asato Ma Sad Gamaya!LOL

There is so much Untruth even in religion becos of interpolation.

BTW who dared do all this interpolation..didnt they fear the "sin' of writing Untruth?

Who dared? The usual suspects. Some or some unknown group of "Brahmins" have always been reported to be the cause of **all interpolations** at least in this forum.

Didnt they fear the "sin" of writing untruth? If we are to go by the wisdom of the postings in this forum they "bribed" God or Almighty or Iswara or by whatever name he/she/it is known, by yajna, pooja and the like and obtained "Certificate of Exoneration" from the Competent Authority.

There is so much Untruth even in religion becos of interpolation.

But religion says that what is there now after all the interpolations, is the Truth and all else is untruth.
BTW who dared do all this interpolation..didnt they fear the "sin' of writing Untruth?

If one were to take Shri Zebra's comments into account, what could have happened most probably is that some unknown, but dare-devil groups of Sudras or Panchamas, why?, even Kshatriyas or Vaisyas could have carried out all the interpolations and the poor, hapless brahmins must have been reading, reciting and doing pravachanams on the basis of such interpolated texts!

... didnt they fear the "sin' of writing Untruth?

Just as Vishnu and/or other gods kill the asuras, rakshasas and other inconvenient fellows and animals like the crocodile which grabbed gajendra, and so on, but always ensure that all such victims get admitted into Vaikuntam, Swargam, etc., (and hence such killings become noble acts of divine grace!) the interpolators knew that what they do will give rise to the "new Truth"; since they were thus telling the "truth" where it did not exist before, they knew that they will also get Swargam or Vaikuntam etc., as reward for their noble and selfless acts!

 

[renuka]

Who dared? The usual suspects. Some or some unknown group of "Brahmins" have always been reported to be the cause of **all interpolations** at least in this forum.

Didnt they fear the "sin" of writing untruth? If we are to go by the wisdom of the postings in this forum they "bribed" God or Almighty or Iswara or by whatever name he/she/it is known, by yajna, pooja and the like and obtained "Certificate of Exoneration" from the Competent Authority.

I have no idea who did all that interpolation and since I have no evidence I would not want to acquire the 'sin' of blaming any particular community.

Its just that it does not feel right that religion has interpolation that actually obscures the truth.

 

[a-TB]

Who is this Sappattu Raman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPfu6vWRpT0

Posted for fun LoL

 

[Raji Ram]

Who is this Sappattu Raman......

Wow!! Whatever his name is, he proves how much a human mouth can hold!

BTW, our elders say that we should not 'uruttify' rice and eat! May be they were afraid of such an action? :fear:

P.S: This is real thiruttu video because that guy would not have been so cool if he knew that he was being video-graphed!

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Why is sappadu linked with Raman? Was Raman the first one who ate without any limit?

 

[sangom]

Why is sappadu linked with Raman? Was Raman the first one who ate without any limit?

That is a very relevant question!

 

[renuka]

Why is sappadu linked with Raman? Was Raman the first one who ate without any limit?

as far as I know only Kumbakaran ate without a limit.

 

[zebra16]

There is so much Untruth even in religion becos of interpolation.

But religion says that what is there now after all the interpolations, is the Truth and all else is untruth.
BTW who dared do all this interpolation..didnt they fear the "sin' of writing Untruth?

If one were to take Shri Zebra's comments into account, what could have happened most probably is that some unknown, but dare-devil groups of Sudras or Panchamas, why?, even Kshatriyas or Vaisyas could have carried out all the interpolations and the poor, hapless brahmins must have been reading, reciting and doing pravachanams on the basis of such interpolated texts!

... didnt they fear the "sin' of writing Untruth?

Just as Vishnu and/or other gods kill the asuras, rakshasas and other inconvenient fellows and animals like the crocodile which grabbed gajendra, and so on, but always ensure that all such victims get admitted into Vaikuntam, Swargam, etc., (and hence such killings become noble acts of divine grace!) the interpolators knew that what they do will give rise to the "new Truth"; since they were thus telling the "truth" where it did not exist before, they knew that they will also get Swargam or Vaikuntam etc., as reward for their noble and selfless acts!

Sri Sangom Sir,

I liked the humour and wit in your post. But....

Valmiki did not hand over his composition to Lord Rama, or Sita, or Hanuman or Lava or Kusha or his Guru or any of the members of the Royal entourage of Rama or any member of his community.

But he went in search of a brahmin (or a brahmin came to him) and Valmiki ensured that his composition was handed over precisely to an unscrupulous brahmin who would make interpolations, additions, deletions etc.

Further that brahmin made zerox copies of Ramayana and handed it over to other "unscrupulous" brahmins who would make their own additions/interpolations/deletions and "market" it to the world as original version of Ramayana.

Everyone made sure that the unscrupulous brahmin or group of unscrupulous brahmins remained unknown and untraceable.

Dont you think this stretches credulity a lot more?

 

[Raji Ram]

Why do we say 'sAppAttu Raman'?

When Rama returned to Ayodhya after the 14 years of exile, He got down at Rishi Bharadwaj's ashram and enjoyed the reception,

while Bharata was ready to enter the fire to kill himself! Rama sent Hanuman to inform about His arrival, to save Bharata's life!

Since He was eating without rushing back home, the name 'sAppAttu Raman' came into being!

But, now a days it refers to people who eat a lot! :hungry:

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Why do we say 'sAppAttu Raman'?

When Rama returned to Ayodhya after the 14 years of exile, He got down at Rishi Bharadwaj's ashram and enjoyed the reception,

while Bharata was ready to enter the fire to kill himself! Rama sent Hanuman to inform about His arrival, to save Bharata's life!

Since He was eating without rushing back home, the name 'sAppAttu Raman' came into being!

But, now a days it refers to people who eat a lot! :hungry:

The explanation is quite amusing.

He was in exile for 14 years. He surely could have had only limited or without food for number of days. But we don't call him 'PATTINI RAMAN', or one who is starving without any food.

 

[sangom]

Sri Sangom Sir,

I liked the humour and wit in your post. But....

Valmiki did not hand over his composition to Lord Rama, or Sita, or Hanuman or Lava or Kusha or his Guru or any of the members of the Royal entourage of Rama or any member of his community.

But he went in search of a brahmin (or a brahmin came to him) and Valmiki ensured that his composition was handed over precisely to an unscrupulous brahmin who would make interpolations, additions, deletions etc.

Further that brahmin made zerox copies of Ramayana and handed it over to other "unscrupulous" brahmins who would make their own additions/interpolations/deletions and "market" it to the world as original version of Ramayana.

Everyone made sure that the unscrupulous brahmin or group of unscrupulous brahmins remained unknown and untraceable.

Dont you think this stretches credulity a lot more?

Shri Narayanan Sir,

I also appreciate the humour or sarcasm in the above!

My personal opinion is that one story about some Rama and Sita has been in public circulation and memory, right from the hoary past (or even before the vedas) in this sub-continent and it remained as part of folklore. The orthodox hindus, Buddhists, Jains and, may be, others too, took it up at some time or another and embellished it. (Much the same can be said about Mahabharata also, and hence both these story lines or "themes came to be called itihasas instead of puranas.)

The hindu scribes wrote a lengthy poem describing what was essentially in the folk memory and very likely it was just the great war between two powerful warriors over the kidnapping of the beautiful wife of one of the two. (The earliest manipravaala work in Malayalam side is one Rama charitam and it comprises only Yuddha Kandam!) Interpolations could have been the order of the day till writing came into vogue and it could have been by anyone who had the knack of inserting one verse among the existing.

But the differences between what is considered as Valmiki Ramayana now and the Adhyatma Ramayana, Ananda Ramayana, etc., may not be explainable in this way.

 

[sangom]

Why do we say 'sAppAttu Raman'?

When Rama returned to Ayodhya after the 14 years of exile, He got down at Rishi Bharadwaj's ashram and enjoyed the reception,

while Bharata was ready to enter the fire to kill himself! Rama sent Hanuman to inform about His arrival, to save Bharata's life!

Since He was eating without rushing back home, the name 'sAppAttu Raman' came into being!

But, now a days it refers to people who eat a lot! :hungry:

Obviously wrong if one goes by what Valmiki says, because the very day the trio (of RLS) enetered the forest area, R seends L to kill the best of animals to eat and L returns with 3 well-grown and huge animals whichthe trio polishes off raw. It is possible that wherever fire could be lit, they would have cooked the meat (at least 'roast', if not cook in vessels). The only good thing is that 14 years of such meat-eating did not bring in high cholesterol, high BP, obesity, angina, or any other such complaints to any of them!

 

[mraghavan]

We are the only society in the world who create and worship a host of gods and ridicules them, who write scriptures and then don't believe them, who set disciplines and traditions, and never follows them. The fate of the rapidly dying Brahmin community.

 

[c.jayashree]

HARIYUM SIVANUM ONNU ARIYADHAVAN VAAYILE MANNU. THIS IS PROVED BY MANY SIVAVISHNU (HARIHARAN) TEMPLES.

C.Jayashree

 

[tks]

Wow!! Whatever his name is, he proves how much a human mouth can hold!

BTW, our elders say that we should not 'uruttify' rice and eat! May be they were afraid of such an action? :fear:

P.S: This is real thiruttu video because that guy would not have been so cool if he knew that he was being video-graphed!

Indeed, funny video. He is thin and yet his mouth opens wide. The huge ball of rice just disappears almost effortlessly. I think the hotel will go out of business feeding such guys! Some of the comments under the video are even more funny. Let us bless this guy

 

[tks]

Obviously wrong if one goes by what Valmiki says, because the very day the trio (of RLS) entered the forest area, R sends L to kill the best of animals to eat and L returns with 3 well-grown and huge animals which the trio polishes off raw. It is possible that wherever fire could be lit, they would have cooked the meat (at least 'roast', if not cook in vessels). The only good thing is that 14 years of such meat-eating did not bring in high cholesterol, high BP, obesity, angina, or any other such complaints to any of them!

This description is funny indeed :laugh: