Who was 'that' Rama?

[prasad1]

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We also believe - an ordinary human being gave life to a stone and another married thousands and thousands of ladies, including his aunt, but continue to glorify them as super men.

Is everything a belief? What if it is a superstition, ignorance, or straight con job?
There is a TV series in USA called "myth Buster", they take apart so called "myth" and analyze the validity.
Of course they too leave alone religious myths.

 

[a-TB]

Some of the comments show how religiosity dulls a person from thinking and get into needless arguments about who is Rama, who is siva and who is whose god.. Absolutely silly and disgusting .. Let us grow up as human beings first.

 

[Raji Ram]

Some of the comments show how religiosity dulls a person from thinking and get into needless arguments about who is Rama, who is siva and who is whose god.. Absolutely silly and disgusting .. Let us grow up as human beings first.

I gave the reason for starting this thread - just to shift the :boink: from another thread! (I chose GD and not Religion forum)
One of the wild guesses were that a king by name Rama would have built the Ramanathan temple. :decision:

So, I wanted to find out whether there is a proof that such a king existed! That is it. Nothing more or less.

BTW, I have grown up enough to realize that there is a 'Power' which controls the universe and 'avanindRi OraNuvum asaiyAdhu'!

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Don't you know?

The drilling of the earth is to nail the feet to the earth firmly. So that he will be tied to a place and will not go around depositing his semen in all kinds of unlikely places (horse's nostril included) every time he gets an erection (he used to get it frequently at all odd times). Is that a Kaattumirandi's lakshanam? Perhaps yes.

Now I know how how the God who has thousands and thousands of wives handled the situation.

 

[Vaagmi]

Now I know how JK how the God who has thousands and thousands of wives handled the situation.

Thanks for revealing that the horse was also one of the wives of the devata whom the pig was trying to nail to the earth. LLL.

 

[Raji Ram]

Why do persons who don't believe in some Gods / Goddesses read all the related stories?

Answer is simple! They want to write derogatory posts on them and their devotees.

Even after deletion, one such post remains as a sample, in one of the quotes (for record?).

 

[Raji Ram]

The-one-not-to-be-named-in-our-forum was much better!

Yes! He was an atheist!

 

[Vaagmi]

People choose to get offended selectively depending on where their sympathies lie. LOL

 

[a-TB]

Why do persons who don't believe in some Gods / Goddesses read all the related stories?

Answer is simple! They want to write derogatory posts on them and their devotees.

Even after deletion, one such post remains as a sample, in one of the quotes (for record?).

Dear Mrs Raji Ram:

My prior post 74 was not directed at you at all.
You have said exactly what I was unable to articulate.

If people say they have their own god that is fine, then they insist there is only one god. This means they want others to use the same name for that god. If someone uses a different name & different story they want to put that down.

This behavior is childish.

A person who has compassion towards ALL people, animals and plants is far better than the devotee-jokers.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Thanks for revealing that the horse was also one of the wives of the devata whom the pig was trying to nail to the earth. LLL.

What was the experience of Sita Pirattiar, as she was alone when kidnapped?

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Mrs Raji Ram:

My prior post 74 was not directed at you at all.
You have said exactly what I was unable to articulate.

If people say they have their own god that is fine, then they insist there is only one god. This means they want others to use the same name for that god. If someone uses a different name & different story they want to put that down.

This behavior is childish.

A person who has compassion towards ALL people, animals and plants is far better than the devotee-jokers.

Dear Tambram,

Thank you. I know that you did not direct that post at me!

As I wrote earlier, the purpose of this thread is to shift a childish fight from another one.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Chandru Sir,

Please stop asking childish question and try to degrade the Gods/ Goddesses and get similar replies from others!

It is a always good to live and let live. Thank you!

 

[Raji Ram]

And.......... so far no king by name Rama, who built the temple at Rameswaram, is found! :spy:

 

[Vaagmi]

What was the experience of Sita Pirattiar, as she was alone when kidnapped?

Please elaborate.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Chandru Sir,

Please stop asking childish question and try to degrade the Gods/ Goddesses and get similar replies from others!

It is a always good to live and let live. Thank you!

That is a balanced approach to the issue. I appreciate that. The same could have been the approach when someone threatened someone else with annihilation in this forum. But there "the blood is thicker than water" logic came in. LOL.

I hope the current wisdom continues without bias in future.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Mrs Raji Ram:

My prior post 74 was not directed at you at all.
You have said exactly what I was unable to articulate.

If people say they have their own god that is fine, then they insist there is only one god. This means they want others to use the same name for that god. If someone uses a different name & different story they want to put that down.

This behavior is childish.

A person who has compassion towards ALL people, animals and plants is far better than the devotee-jokers.

When someone slaps you, show your other cheek and receive more blows - may be the logic of an Abrahamic religion. Certainly not that of vaishnavam. We will hit back hard whenever there is uncalled for needling. Read all the threads and you will understand that vaishnavites only have hit back when provoked. They have never started the quarrel. So the children have to be reformed. Try doing that.

 

[a-TB]

When someone slaps you, show your other cheek and receive more blows - may be the logic of an Abrahamic religion. Certainly not that of vaishnavam. We will hit back hard whenever there is uncalled for needling. Read all the threads and you will understand that vaishnavites only have hit back when provoked. They have never started the quarrel. So the children have to be reformed. Try doing that.

Mr Vaagmi:

No one should put up with 'put downs' of their faith.

The question is who determines what is a 'put down/needling' and 'what the right response should be'. It is not that obvious. There is a fine line between protecting a faith and becoming an extremist.

There are stories that Rama worshiped Siva in certain versions of Ramayana. Some think that is how Rameswaram is named.

Why should a post like that be considered an attack against Vaishnavism??? After all people who say that may worship Siva and Vishnu both.

I do not think anyone cared to 'needle' you when they post about Rameswaram. I do not think it is a provocation at all.

I do know some under the banner of hitting Vaishanvism had motives to put down Brahmins overallor. That is entirely different and calls for a united front - brahmins and non-brahmins - that no one need to be put down for who they are or what their tradition is.

Worshiping Vishnu is not the exclusive domain of Vaishnavas. Worshiping Krishna is not an exclusive domain of Hare Krishna people. Worshiping Siva is not an exclusive domain of Saivites only.

Each can have their god, need not claim exclusivity and need not think there is one god for all of humanity. All they can say is their god is so and so. That thinking by ALL will reform all children here.

 

[a-TB]

Dear Chandru Sir,

Please stop asking childish question and try to degrade the Gods/ Goddesses and get similar replies from others!

It is a always good to live and let live. Thank you!

Good advice - could'nt have said better

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Dear Chandru Sir,

Please stop asking childish question and try to degrade the Gods/ Goddesses and get similar replies from others!

It is a always good to live and let live. Thank you!

Why are you blaming me madam? Since Smarthas have been showing utmost restraint, centuries after centuries, people are taking advantage of it.

We need to retaliate if situation arises.

Read all posts and review the terminologies used - for eg. semon

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Good advice - could'nt have said better

Read my post No.91.

 

[renuka]

Dear Chandru,

Even though I might not agree with all your posts but I dont mind reading your post just to get a different perspective.

I know you represent the hard core Shaivites which I feel is fair enough to balance the hard core Vaishnavites.

I always believe that as long as extremism exists differences of opinions are inevitable.

So for you and others who hold polar opposite views..keep it coming..it makes life more interesting to read "bipolar" views.

 

[renuka]

I am waiting for some feminist coming and claiming that The Lingam at Rameswaram was made by Sita according to the legend (read cock and bull stories) and so the lingam should be called 1. Sitalingam 2. Siteshwar 3. Sitanathan etc., And that it is the conspiracy of male chauvinist pigs who have appropriated the glory by calling 1. Ramalinga 2. Rameshwar 3. Ramanathan etc.,

Most of us here are very orthodox women who prefer males to take the lead in everything.

So there is no feminist in forum..feminist in my opinion are the greatest fools..they scream for all the wrong reasons and end up doing all work themselves.

Its better to "glorify" males and let them become our emotional slaves!LOL

So let it be Ramalingam or Jambulingam! No complains!

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Dear Chandru,

Even though I might not agree with all your posts but I dont mind reading your post just to get a different perspective.

I know you represent the hard core Shaivites which I feel is fair enough to balance the hard core Vaishnavites.

I always believe that as long as extremism exists differences of opinions are inevitable.

So for you and others who hold polar opposite views..keep it coming..it makes life more interesting to read bipolar views.

Madam,

First of all, I am not a hardcore Shaivte, a Smartha, worshipping hundreds of Gods.

While some members are happy to accept Shaivite Kings as Demons and make somersaults, they show their back when the reason is questioned.

My personal opinion is Shaivism gives importance to compassion, bhakthi, tolerance, secularism etc., whereas it is not so in the case of Vaishnavism.

 

[renuka]

While some members are happy to accept Shaivite Kings as Demons and make somersaults, they show their back when the reason is questioned.

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This I have to agree that Shaivite Kings were always depicted as demons etc..it did not really bother me back then cos I was always more fond of Asuras.

But now when I think about all these every Puranas story seems fabricated for propagation of the Bhakti movements of any kind.

To propagate Bhakti one needs to create a mental enemy....most Bhakti movements are weak and they know they cant stand if no mental enemy is created.

I guess finally the Devil and Mental enemy concept seem the same!

 

[zebra16]

First the history:


Rig Veda in it's 10th Book - 19th anthology is called Purusha Suktha. Vishnu is known by the term Purusha.

Refutation:

(1) MahAnArAyaNa upaniSad says:

puruSasya vidhma sahasrAkshasya mahAdevasya DheemaHi tannO rudraH prachOdayAt

tat puruSAya vidhmahe, mahAdevAya DheemaHi, tannO rudraH prachOdayAt

It also says tat pruSa to so many other deities like vakra-tundA (danti- GaneshA), chakra-tundA (nandi), mahAsenA (SanmukhA), including suvarNa-pakshi GarudA.

There is no point to adding exclusivity of puruSa to Vishnu alone

(2) Shree sUktam, which is also a Rg vedic composition on Shree or Lakshmi, does not make even a passing reference to Vishnu as her consort.

(3) There is no mention of even the word “viSnu” in puruSa-sUktam, if at all it makes a mention of anyone it makes a reference to “prajApati” and he is referred to as “kA” or Brahma in Yajur veda.

(4) The connection of viSnu to puruSa-sUktam, by adding uttara-nArayaNam as an appendage is tenuous at best, because the only sentence that is supposed to connect viSnu is “hreescha te lakshmeescha patnyou”. Any person possessing working knowledge Sanskrit will tell that “hree” and “lakshmee” as consorts (meaning modesty and prosperity) are used merely metaphorically as the very next line says “aho rAtre pArshvE”, meaning one who has days and nights as his two sides. If anything, this line (second line) would be more applicable to sUrya Bhagwan than viSnu.

(5) Hree is never referred to viSnu patni in any one of the scriptures.

(6) To equate “Aditya varNam” of puruSa sUktam with mAyOn is a long stretch of imagination.

It is very likely that a “fusion” of vedic Visnu and mAyOn took place in the distant post, but to say that vaishnavism is advocated by vedAs would be incorrect.