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Who was 'that' Rama?

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The actual characters in Valmiki Ramayana with meat consumption in the forest may be less appealing than the embellished version that people may have in mind.

There are verses in Valmiki Ramayana where Rama says he will live mainly on fruits, vegetables etc to his mother. The fact they ate meat may not be palatable to some people.

That is why history centric analysis of Itihasa is not useful for us.

The answer as to who is Rama is that he represents the perfection of a what a human being can strive for in abiding by Dharma. This may or may not be entirely true for the actual historic figure.

But the embellished version and evolved version over the eons is probably most helpful when one chants Rama Nama in meditation. In that sense we have to thank the people who may have changed the facts over the centuries.

At a time when corruption across the world is rampant, it is so refreshing to read about a story where a powerful king of the continent could not bring himself to lie regarding the boon he gave in a battlefield where there were no witnesses. He could have easily said he did not mean what he had said then but he could not bring himself to contradict the word he had given. He ended up dying rather than reverse his word.

The son, Rama ready to take the harshest life of living in forest, just so his father's word is kept is just supremely movinh. In fact before Sri Rama left for forest he liquidated all this belongings by giving them away as per Valmiki's description.

This idealized version of Rama standing for the power of the spoken word with no witnesses, and for doing the right things is the only real Rama there is. It lives only in the minds of people. This is my answer to the question of the thread.

It is immaterial if the historic figure matches the idealized version we have in our mind.
 
Sir,

As an avid reader and student of Sri Ramayana, I must profess that the key to the story is in not what Rama ate, what Sita wore, or what god was worshiped when. Adikavi's original poem (which is taken to have been written during the time of Rama and endorsed by him) is a profoundly humane work, providing humanity with a moral compass into how we should behave towards one another.

Popularizations of this story in television, comic books, and abridged English stories tells us nothing about the characters and exactly what they were to each other and to the people they came into contact with. It is this human example we should seek for guidance and solace through life.
 
This is utter rubbish! Rama stayed at Bharadwaja's ashram because - as told by my Acharyan - to make sure that Bharata, whom he recognized as ruling Ayodhya would allow him permission to come back. This is proper behavior, people shouldn't make assumptions and jump on each other's toes. They should ask first and then take appropriate actions such that no one is hurt or imposed upon.

The name Sappatu-Raman describes the way most Iyers eat when they come to Iyengar homes.
 
The name Sappatu-Raman describes the way most Iyers eat when they come to Iyengar homes.
I do not think it is allowed for Iyangars to invite Iyers. If you have done that you are banished from Vaikunta.

Why do you need to post? This is purely schoolyard bully action.
 
Iyengars are taught to serve God by serving others, including Iyers. The idea of serving includes feeding which has allowed us to be superior cooks.
 
The explanation is quite amusing.

He was in exile for 14 years. He surely could have had only limited or without food for number of days. But we don't call him 'PATTINI RAMAN', or one who is starving without any food.
There always exist people who want to demean the reputation of great people and Gods.

One of them have given this explanation, OK?

P.S: How else can your Qs be answered?? :noidea:

 
The name Sappatu-Raman describes the way most Iyers eat when they come to Iyengar homes.


I severely condemn such posting degrading any particular section.

Widely used adage is 'Brahmana Bhojana Priya' which includes Iyengars I believe.:-)


P.S: It is also reported that the correct usage is ' Brahmana Bahujana priya'.
 
Obviously wrong if one goes by what Valmiki says, because the very day the trio (of RLS) enetered the forest area, R seends L to kill the best of animals to eat and L returns with 3 well-grown and huge animals whichthe trio polishes off raw. It is possible that wherever fire could be lit, they would have cooked the meat (at least 'roast', if not cook in vessels). The only good thing is that 14 years of such meat-eating did not bring in high cholesterol, high BP, obesity, angina, or any other such complaints to any of them!
Dear Sir,

Lakshmana is supposed to be the avtAr of AdisEshA and was starving all those years till he killed Indrajit in the war. Indrajit had

a boon that a person who lives without food for number of years only can kill him. In many discourses, it is said that Rama will

once ask Lakshmana that he would have at least eaten the piece of mango fruit that was given to him but L takes the piece out of

his thigh and says that he did not!

People don't believe ONLY Valmiki but are interested in listening to number of versions! :)
 
OMG! Why all threads lead to Iyer - Iyengar :boink: ?

What the IIT-ans (in 90-s) say about the three degrees of ego starting from I, seems to be very true! :D
 
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The name Sappatu-Raman describes the way most Iyers eat when they come to Iyengar homes.

This is new..I did not know Iyengars invited Iyers for Bhojan at home.

May be there is not as much 'enmity' as made to imagined.
 
This is utter rubbish! Rama stayed at Bharadwaja's ashram because - as told by my Acharyan - to make sure that Bharata, whom he recognized as ruling Ayodhya would allow him permission to come back. This is proper behavior, people shouldn't make assumptions and jump on each other's toes. They should ask first and then take appropriate actions such that no one is hurt or imposed upon.

The name Sappatu-Raman describes the way most Iyers eat when they come to Iyengar homes.


If Iyers are sappatu raman when they come Iyengars' house, what about Iyengars; are they 'pattini ramans', when they come to Iyers' house?

Don't show your frustration.
 
The only good thing is that 14 years of such meat-eating did not bring in high cholesterol, high BP, obesity, angina, or any other such complaints to any of them!

They might have walked in the forest during day time regularly. Hence, no health problem. It indirectly conveys that walking is a good exercise.
 
Sir,

As an avid reader and student of Sri Ramayana, I must profess that the key to the story is in not what Rama ate, what Sita wore, or what god was worshiped when. Adikavi's original poem (which is taken to have been written during the time of Rama and endorsed by him) is a profoundly humane work, providing humanity with a moral compass into how we should behave towards one another.

Popularizations of this story in television, comic books, and abridged English stories tells us nothing about the characters and exactly what they were to each other and to the people they came into contact with. It is this human example we should seek for guidance and solace through life.

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" Rama'' is the popular name come from the mouth any body who is a Hindu. If a person commit a mistake then immediately he used to say with his palm on the head  "Ada Rama". These Sappattu Rama & Ada Rama will not have a contextual meaning in verbatim and not having a root in  Ithihaasam, Puranam and Hindu mythology. These are all attributed versions and concocted.<br> 
 
Dear Sir,

Lakshmana is supposed to be the avtAr of AdisEshA and was starving all those years till he killed Indrajit in the war. Indrajit had

a boon that a person who lives without food for number of years only can kill him. In many discourses, it is said that Rama will

once ask Lakshmana that he would have at least eaten the piece of mango fruit that was given to him but L takes the piece out of

his thigh and says that he did not!

People don't believe ONLY Valmiki but are interested in listening to number of versions! :)

Each person can have his or her own beliefs but I was quoting Valmiki's ramayana; possibly Valmiki did not believe what you or the discourse-karar believe!
 
I am waiting for some feminist coming and claiming that The Lingam at Rameswaram was made by Sita according to the legend (read cock and bull stories) and so the lingam should be called 1. Sitalingam 2. Siteshwar 3. Sitanathan etc., And that it is the conspiracy of male chauvinist pigs who have appropriated the glory by calling 1. Ramalinga 2. Rameshwar 3. Ramanathan etc.,

And our story tellers may cover it up by inventing another sub-story that it was Rama who actually made the lingam with the sand and water given by Sita as his Sahadharmacharini.

We have a weird bunch of stories here and videos too.

குப்புறவிழுந்தாலும் மீசையில மண்ணு ஒட்டவே ஒட்டாது எங்களுக்கு. பொய் சொல்வதில் நாங்கள் வீராதி வீரர்கள்/வீராங்கனைகள்.
 
If a Rakshasa takes the avtAr of a Golden deer; we believe!

If Jatayu fights with the mighty Ravan; we believe!

If monkeys talk; we believe!

If Hanuman is Vayu's son; we believe!

If Hanuman takes a viswaroopam and leaps the ocean; we believe!

If a bear is one of the leaders of the army; we believe!

If pushpak vimanAs fly; we believe!

Only a few other stories; we won't believe!! :lol:
 
We also :clap2: for the following poem because Kambar has written it and believe what he said!

அஞ்சிலே ஒன்று பெற்றான்
அஞ்சிலே ஒன்றை தாவி
அஞ்சிலே ஒன்றாறாக
ஆரியர்க்காக ஏகி
அஞ்சிலே ஒன்று பெற்ற
அணங்கை
க் கண்டு - அயலான் ஊரில
அஞ்சிலே ஒன்று வைத்தான்
அவன் நம்மை அளித்து காப்பான்.

Oh yeah! Sita is the the daughter of Mother Earth; we believe!!
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We also believe - an ordinary human being gave life to a stone and another married thousands and thousands of ladies, including his aunt, but continue to glorify them as super men.
 
We also believe - an ordinary human being gave life to a stone and another married thousands and thousands of ladies, including his aunt, but continue to glorify them as super men.

Not "Supermen" but veritable gods who have overshadowed the older gods!!
 
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