Why are faithless countries the richest?

[ashwin_ash]

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This topic may be old hat, but it is still relevant in this day and age. Countries where the large majority profess no religion or faith like Japan, China, Korea and so on are very rich and getting richer. In Europe, church attendance will soon be close to nil, and most European countries are well off. And Americans do not wear their faith on their sleeves, most are agnostic and would rather believe in aliens than Gods.

The poorest countries are the most religious. India, Nigeria, many other sub-saharan nations, Bangladesh, Pakistan and so on. Of course the middle-east and the religion it claims to represent is a different ball game altogether.

Indians in particular, are bogged down by age-old mindsets of caste and religion. Someone draws a cartoon somewhere and it barely draws a whisper from Saudi Arabia or Malaysia or even Iran, while more than 1000 Indians and Bangladeshis and Pakistanis killed themselves.

In a sense, Indians are responsible for their sorry plights. Tambrams neatly played into Big River's hands by exhibiting casteist tendencies, without which his ideology would not have found sustenance. And recently in Uttar Pradesh, casteist and polarizing politicians indulged in a vulgar display of wealth and drama while people are dying all around. And some politicians are off on foreign tours for 'study' purposes.

Who voted these casteist groups into power? The people. And this will never change and India's dirt-poor image will remain as long as people continue to remain obdurate and refuse to reject religion, caste, and blind faith.

If a Brahmin rejects his caste and religion, will he be accepted into the larger fold and be considered integrated? My opinion is no. Only a cataclysmic societal change will bring about a truly rational and casteless society, and that will never ever happen.

 

[sravna]

The material prosperity of a nation is just one indicator of whether the people of the nation are happy and peaceful. It is fundamental though but need not be in excess and in fact once in excess I would say an inverse relationship with peace of the people happens.

It is not difficult to imagine that India being still a young nation and beset by so many problems is not home to the happiest people. But it is also not difficult to imagine that the problems are humanly solvable and India with the type of changes occurring in the political scenario will sooner or later surmount its problems.

But to sustain the harmony in society India would do well to fall back on its indigenous methods instead of sure to fail foreign models. So rather than trying to be the richest, India should try to aim for the long term harmony in the society whatever that takes and I am sure being faithless is not one of them.

 

[ashwin_ash]

The material prosperity of a nation is just one indicator of whether the people of the nation are happy and peaceful. It is fundamental though but need not be in excess and in fact once in excess I would say an inverse relationship with peace of the people happens.

It is not difficult to imagine that India being still a young nation and beset by so many problems is not home to the happiest people. But it is also not difficult to imagine that the problems are humanly solvable and India with the type of changes occurring in the political scenario will sooner or later surmount its problems.

But to sustain the harmony in society India would do well to fall back on its indigenous methods instead of sure to fail foreign models. So rather than trying to be the richest, India should try to aim for the long term harmony in the society whatever that takes and I am sure being faithless is not one of them.

Faith comes with a caveat- caste. As long as caste is alive and kicking, India will be materially poor. Spiritual wealth doesn't really fill stomachs.

 

[sangom]

This topic may be old hat, but it is still relevant in this day and age. Countries where the large majority profess no religion or faith like Japan, China, Korea and so on are very rich and getting richer. In Europe, church attendance will soon be close to nil, and most European countries are well off. And Americans do not wear their faith on their sleeves, most are agnostic and would rather believe in aliens than Gods.

The poorest countries are the most religious. India, Nigeria, many other sub-saharan nations, Bangladesh, Pakistan and so on. Of course the middle-east and the religion it claims to represent is a different ball game altogether.

Indians in particular, are bogged down by age-old mindsets of caste and religion. Someone draws a cartoon somewhere and it barely draws a whisper from Saudi Arabia or Malaysia or even Iran, while more than 1000 Indians and Bangladeshis and Pakistanis killed themselves.

In a sense, Indians are responsible for their sorry plights. Tambrams neatly played into Big River's hands by exhibiting casteist tendencies, without which his ideology would not have found sustenance. And recently in Uttar Pradesh, casteist and polarizing politicians indulged in a vulgar display of wealth and drama while people are dying all around. And some politicians are off on foreign tours for 'study' purposes.

Who voted these casteist groups into power? The people. And this will never change and India's dirt-poor image will remain as long as people continue to remain obdurate and refuse to reject religion, caste, and blind faith.

Dear Shri Ashwin,

The point you have raised in the OP is very important and deserving of close consideration.

It may not be correct to say that people of countries like China, Korea (South, that is), Japan, etc., are faithless or that they profess no religion. To me it appears that even those people have some kind of "faith/s" but the important difference is that in almost all affluent countries (barring a few exceptions like Saudi Arabia) people are not deluded by their faith/s and/or religions, if any. All those countries progress because the people have faith in themselves and do not look to some "avataar" of god to come and save them or help them out of their crises.

Take the case of Hiroshima - Nagasaki atom bombs. The Japanese suffered that very massive tragedy with much of stoicism. They did not launch a nation-wide "bhaagavatha sapthaaha yajnam" or a series of bhajans, special poojas in temples and so on, as would have likely happened in India, especially South India! In those countries people make efforts to come up to certain minimum standards, work hard, earn as well as possible, enjoy life in mostly legally permitted ways and abide by the laws.

India has a very different attitude. Here, people will put up a "facade" of themselves being (overly) religious, take the name of some god or the other at the drop of a hat, etc., but, privately they won't have any regrets to amass black money, accepting bribes, flouting laws and rules and indulging in even nefarious activities, for their pleasure. It is this kind of "false make-up" that drags our country downwards constantly and this applies, to varying degrees, to all the undeveloped and under developed countries which you refer to.

Rejecting religion alone is not sufficient for progress of this country. People should realize that there is no god or goddess (and much less likely, any godman, godwoman, gurujis, etc.) who will be able to prevent national destiny and only the combined will, plus, ethical behaviour of all people, will be able to improve the nation. But, unfortunately the histories of all the "no-good" countries make them extremely wedded to religion. Hence, there is every possibility that some developed country will take possession of these countries sooner or later.

Tambrams, Bigriver, etc., do not, in my view, count in this matter. Bigriver unfortunately gave over emphasis to brahmins and brahminism being destroyed; had he suitably worded so as to be against religion and religionism, perhaps the results would have been different. But in those days even the Bigriver's own community (Balija Naidu) would have turned against him, had he advocated destroying religion/religiousness!

 

[ashwin_ash]

Dear Shri Ashwin,

The point you have raised in the OP is very important and deserving of close consideration.

It may not be correct to say that people of countries like China, Korea (South, that is), Japan, etc., are faithless or that they profess no religion. To me it appears that even those people have some kind of "faith/s" but the important difference is that in almost all affluent countries (barring a few exceptions like Saudi Arabia) people are not deluded by their faith/s and/or religions, if any. All those countries progress because the people have faith in themselves and do not look to some "avataar" of god to come and save them or help them out of their crises.

Take the case of Hiroshima - Nagasaki atom bombs. The Japanese suffered that very massive tragedy with much of stoicism. They did not launch a nation-wide "bhaagavatha sapthaaha yajnam" or a series of bhajans, special poojas in temples and so on, as would have likely happened in India, especially South India! In those countries people make efforts to come up to certain minimum standards, work hard, earn as well as possible, enjoy life in mostly legally permitted ways and abide by the laws.

India has a very different attitude. Here, people will put up a "facade" of themselves being (overly) religious, take the name of some god or the other at the drop of a hat, etc., but, privately they won't have any regrets to amass black money, accepting bribes, flouting laws and rules and indulging in even nefarious activities, for their pleasure. It is this kind of "false make-up" that drags our country downwards constantly and this applies, to varying degrees, to all the undeveloped and under developed countries which you refer to.

Rejecting religion alone is not sufficient for progress of this country. People should realize that there is no god or goddess (and much less likely, any godman, godwoman, gurujis, etc.) who will be able to prevent national destiny and only the combined will, plus, ethical behaviour of all people, will be able to improve the nation. But, unfortunately the histories of all the "no-good" countries make them extremely wedded to religion. Hence, there is every possibility that some developed country will take possession of these countries sooner or later.

Tambrams, Bigriver, etc., do not, in my view, count in this matter. Bigriver unfortunately gave over emphasis to brahmins and brahminism being destroyed; had he suitably worded so as to be against religion and religionism, perhaps the results would have been different. But in those days even the Bigriver's own community (Balija Naidu) would have turned against him, had he advocated destroying religion/religiousness!

Dear Sir,

The delicious irony in all this is, the communities such as the Saiva Pillai, Balija Naidu, and Telugu Chetties which formed the bulk of the Justice Party are now counted among the "forward castes" in Tamil Nadu and do not enjoy any affirmative action or reservation in any form.

Another irony is, the creator of the 'Tamil Thaai Vaazhthu', Sundaram Pillai, was a Malayali. The song was part of a play he wrote, and in no way intended to be parochial as it is made to be now. See The creator of the Tamil Anthem - The Hindu .

A way to obliterate caste and religion might be to follow Mayawati's suggestions (I know many people here hate her but much of what she says makes sense in an obtuse way) such as splitting India into smaller states, or even reverting to the earlier princely rule. More (semi) independent states or countries will mean people will have less space to fight and spread narrow ideologies. Case in point is the small country Nepal, which is more Hindu than India. Such blatant casteism doesn't exist there and most people are ambivalent towards religion.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

This topic may be old hat, but it is still relevant in this day and age. Countries where the large majority profess no religion or faith like Japan, China, Korea and so on are very rich and getting richer. In Europe, church attendance will soon be close to nil, and most European countries are well off. And Americans do not wear their faith on their sleeves, most are agnostic and would rather believe in aliens than Gods.

The poorest countries are the most religious. India, Nigeria, many other sub-saharan nations, Bangladesh, Pakistan and so on. Of course the middle-east and the religion it claims to represent is a different ball game altogether.

Indians in particular, are bogged down by age-old mindsets of caste and religion. Someone draws a cartoon somewhere and it barely draws a whisper from Saudi Arabia or Malaysia or even Iran, while more than 1000 Indians and Bangladeshis and Pakistanis killed themselves.

In a sense, Indians are responsible for their sorry plights. Tambrams neatly played into Big River's hands by exhibiting casteist tendencies, without which his ideology would not have found sustenance. And recently in Uttar Pradesh, casteist and polarizing politicians indulged in a vulgar display of wealth and drama while people are dying all around. And some politicians are off on foreign tours for 'study' purposes.

Who voted these casteist groups into power? The people. And this will never change and India's dirt-poor image will remain as long as people continue to remain obdurate and refuse to reject religion, caste, and blind faith.

If a Brahmin rejects his caste and religion, will he be accepted into the larger fold and be considered integrated? My opinion is no. Only a cataclysmic societal change will bring about a truly rational and casteless society, and that will never ever happen.

Buddhism and Christianity are being practised in Japan and South Korea.

The success of these countries may be attributed to the fact that people in those countries
belong to the same race. You cannot find different races and cultures in these countries. The
oneness among these people is deep rooted.

In India, each and every State has a different customs and conventions, not only among
Hindus but other religious peoples like Christians and Muslims also.

India is like Europe. The only difference is the different States in Europe function as a separate country, whereas it is under one roof. Despite all these, certain groups in India are also flourishing financially like Jains, Marwaris, Gujaratis, Punjabis.

It is difficult to bring oneness among Indians, because of so many religions, races, customs
and conventions etc.

Though we had produced a strong leader for getting independence, successive leaders
did not have the same ability to bring unity among people. Added to this, the political system -
Parliamentary Democracy, State Governments - has further aggravated the situation.

 

[sangom]

Dear Sir,

The delicious irony in all this is, the communities such as the Saiva Pillai, Balija Naidu, and Telugu Chetties which formed the bulk of the Justice Party are now counted among the "forward castes" in Tamil Nadu and do not enjoy any affirmative action or reservation in any form.

Another irony is, the creator of the 'Tamil Thaai Vaazhthu', Sundaram Pillai, was a Malayali. The song was part of a play he wrote, and in no way intended to be parochial as it is made to be now. See The creator of the Tamil Anthem - The Hindu .

A way to obliterate caste and religion might be to follow Mayawati's suggestions (I know many people here hate her but much of what she says makes sense in an obtuse way) such as splitting India into smaller states, or even reverting to the earlier princely rule. More (semi) independent states or countries will mean people will have less space to fight and spread narrow ideologies. Case in point is the small country Nepal, which is more Hindu than India. Such blatant casteism doesn't exist there and most people are ambivalent towards religion.

I hold the considered view that the tabra political bigwigs and leaders of the period 1900-1950 failed to see the writing on the wall, despite the fact that there were enough symptoms of the way the "disease" was progressing. Most probably even Rajaji who had a strong friendship with Bigriver, failed to realize the game plan of the British and was smug in the belief that the hindu society would continue to function unchanged for millennia more, and only some tokenism towards the lower castes, including the NB forward communities, would suffice to keep the social kettle from boiling over. His "Kulakkalvi" scheme - which was probably Congress' undoing in TN and the one thing which catapulted the Kazhagam to rule, was a product of such insensitiveness, imo.

The Forward castes like Saiva Pillais, Balija Naidus, Telugu Chetties, Mudaliyars, etc., had been large land owners unlike the tabras; they continue to enjoy the fruits of their ancestral properties in one way or another, even today. (Of course, there will be a few instances of very poor families even among these castes, but that is just natural.)

Thamizh Thaay Vaazhthu is from "Manonmaneeyam" by Sundaram Pillai; he belonged to a pure Tamil Pillai lineage which had settled down, for business purposes, in Alleppey which was a thriving international Port in those days. Manonmaneeyam Sundaranar University has been set up in the memory of Shri Sundaram Pillai. He was not a Malayali at all.

The caste virus is very very difficult to be eradicated from India unless some cataclysmic even happens and the few thousand of the survivors decide to forget about caste and embrace only human affection.

 

[ashwin_ash]

I hold the considered view that the tabra political bigwigs and leaders of the period 1900-1950 failed to see the writing on the wall, despite the fact that there were enough symptoms of the way the "disease" was progressing. Most probably even Rajaji who had a strong friendship with Bigriver, failed to realize the game plan of the British and was smug in the belief that the hindu society would continue to function unchanged for millennia more, and only some tokenism towards the lower castes, including the NB forward communities, would suffice to keep the social kettle from boiling over. His "Kulakkalvi" scheme - which was probably Congress' undoing in TN and the one thing which catapulted the Kazhagam to rule, was a product of such insensitiveness, imo.

The Forward castes like Saiva Pillais, Balija Naidus, Telugu Chetties, Mudaliyars, etc., had been large land owners unlike the tabras; they continue to enjoy the fruits of their ancestral properties in one way or another, even today. (Of course, there will be a few instances of very poor families even among these castes, but that is just natural.)

Thamizh Thaay Vaazhthu is from "Manonmaneeyam" by Sundaram Pillai; he belonged to a pure Tamil Pillai lineage which had settled down, for business purposes, in Alleppey which was a thriving international Port in those days. Manonmaneeyam Sundaranar University has been set up in the memory of Shri Sundaram Pillai. He was not a Malayali at all.

The caste virus is very very difficult to be eradicated from India unless some cataclysmic even happens and the few thousand of the survivors decide to forget about caste and embrace only human affection.

Dear Sir,

This- Manonmaniam remembered - says Sundaram Pillai was a Malayali, acc. his descendants. Be that as it may, it doesn't matter because India as a whole is hypocritical and hurtling towards its own doom.

A certain gent named Gandhi enshrined poverty as a virtue, politicians added illiteracy and backwardness to that list. My friend from Hyderabad once proudly boasted about how his is the only religion which worries about the 'hereafter'. I told him he belonged to a fatalistic cult, in that case. He took great umbrage and walked away. I later showed him the blatant and crass display of materialism all around, the American food chains, obesity, and couples fondling in public (this was in Doha, Qatar). I also reminded him that South Asians belonging to his religion are literally spat at in the GCC countries.

As long as religion (and it's unholy child, caste) is given primacy, India will rank much below sub-Saharan Africa and nobody will take India or Indians seriously. Religion and caste are the root of all ills, and politicians stoke that ill-will to the best effect.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

I hold the considered view that the tabra political bigwigs and leaders of the period 1900-1950 failed to see the writing on the wall, despite the fact that there were enough symptoms of the way the "disease" was progressing. Most probably even Rajaji who had a strong friendship with Bigriver, failed to realize the game plan of the British and was smug in the belief that the hindu society would continue to function unchanged for millennia more, and only some tokenism towards the lower castes, including the NB forward communities, would suffice to keep the social kettle from boiling over. His "Kulakkalvi" scheme - which was probably Congress' undoing in TN and the one thing which catapulted the Kazhagam to rule, was a product of such insensitiveness, imo.

The Forward castes like Saiva Pillais, Balija Naidus, Telugu Chetties, Mudaliyars, etc., had been large land owners unlike the tabras; they continue to enjoy the fruits of their ancestral properties in one way or another, even today. (Of course, there will be a few instances of very poor families even among these castes, but that is just natural.)

Thamizh Thaay Vaazhthu is from "Manonmaneeyam" by Sundaram Pillai; he belonged to a pure Tamil Pillai lineage which had settled down, for business purposes, in Alleppey which was a thriving international Port in those days. Manonmaneeyam Sundaranar University has been set up in the memory of Shri Sundaram Pillai. He was not a Malayali at all.

The caste virus is very very difficult to be eradicated from India unless some cataclysmic even happens and the few thousand of the survivors decide to forget about caste and embrace only human affection.

In Tamil Nadu, castes cannot be eradicated; because two segments are badly dependent on it - Politics and Cinema.

Even Pseudo-Atheist Kamal Hassan (actually a Vaishnavite fanatic), is depicting the characters in his films in line with various castes - Iyer, Mudaliar, Thevar, Pillai, Muslim; except Iyengar.

Both MK and JJ are solely dependent on caste equation. Without caste equation, they cannot
survive.

Even the 100% literacy State Kerala (?), politicians are living in the mercy of castes. Nair
Community has a separate service society.

LOL!

 

[ashwin_ash]

In Tamil Nadu, castes cannot be eradicated; because two segments are badly dependent on it - Politics and Cinema.

Even Pseudo-Atheist Kamal Hassan (actually a Vaishnavite fanatic), is depicting the characters in his films in line with various castes - Iyer, Mudaliar, Thevar, Pillai, Muslim; except Iyengar.

Both MK and JJ are solely dependent on caste equation. Without caste equation, they cannot
survive.

Even the 100% literacy State Kerala (?), politicians are living in the mercy of castes. Nair
Community has a separate service society.

LOL!

And Rajasthan has a separate Brahman Mahasabha with Parasurama's ax as it's emblem. In Uttar Pradesh, many of the (in) famous thugs are brahmins. Not as if all Brahmins are saints, no caste is free of casteism and all are birds of the same feather.

 

[prasad1]

The premise of the op is wrong. Countries are not Humans and can not have religion. Humans follow a certain faith of their choice. There are religious humans who are successful and rich. Certain group of religious followers are very rich, e.g. Mormons, and Jains. Others ignorant and faithless people are poor too look at North Korea, Somalia etc.

The poor also have no option except waiting for a miracle, so poor cling on to hope of a super power intervention. Otherwise their situation will be hopeless.

 

[ashwin_ash]

The premise of the op is wrong. Countries are not Humans and can not have religion. Humans follow a certain faith of their choice. There are religious humans who are successful and rich. Certain group of religious followers are very rich, e.g. Mormons, and Jains. Others ignorant and faithless people are poor too look at North Korea, Somalia etc.

The poor also have no option except waiting for a miracle, so poor cling on to hope of a super power intervention. Otherwise their situation will be hopeless.

Show me a super-religious country (forget the GCC) which is among the top 20 economies. Religion is important in your life because you are *already* rich. I'll show you 10 super rich countries which are largely agnostic. Countries are not humans, but humans in rich countries are rich humans.

And fyi.. Somalia is dirt poor and fully religious.

 

[Nara]

Talking about faith -- I was interested in the link P.J. provided about இட்லி, தோசை மாவில் பயங்கர கலப்படம், but when I clicked I found this:

ஸ்ரீராமருக்கே உதவிய ராம நாமம்! – அரிய தகவல்


This அரிய தகவல் says, chanting rama rama will help you because Hanuman chanted rama rama and saw Sita and Rama get back together, Sita chanted rama rama and got back with Rama (got banished when pregnant, but that is a different story), Rama himself chanted rama rama (!) and got back with Sita. So, the lesson is, chant away, rama, rama, rama, and you will get what you desire .....

This is the kind of superstitious nonsense that is peddled and enjoyed by our TBs, very sad ....

 

[biswa]

Show me a super-religious country (forget the GCC) which is among the top 20 economies. Religion is important in your life because you are *already* rich. I'll show you 10 super rich countries which are largely agnostic. Countries are not humans, but humans in rich countries are rich humans.

And fyi.. Somalia is dirt poor and fully religious.

Good point, but why forget GCC? The counter examples to your point would be Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Dubai, Abu Dhabi etc etc. Maybe Italy and Spain also qualify.

One explanation would be education and intellectual attainment is anathema to dogmatic organized religion.

 

[biswa]

In some sense the only "faithful" countries are Muslim. Because everybody else is secular (or totalitarian).

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Modern thinking is rich become richer by exploiting poor. Therefore, is it possible it is because faithless countries don't feel it is immoral to exploit poor religious countries and therefore are more successful in accumulating wealth?

 

[tks]

Faith usually translates to blind faith in practice which means inability to use the thinking faculty properly.
Thinking is not about someone claiming to be rational etc as in this forum.

It is about understanding deeply one's own assumptions and prejudices , ability to listen to other points of view, being able to know what are universal principles that operate without our approval (word 'universal principles' as described by Steven Covey's usage) and being able to have reasonable dialog.

I would say one cannot look at a snap shot of how people are living today and make any conclusions. The western nations and Africa were at about the same level of advancement not too long ago in the 'time frame' of human civilization.

If a society is committed to Dharma (and one does not have to be born in India to understand Samanya Dharma that applies to all beings) in terms of its actions it will prosper over time. People of USA and many advanced countries in some ways are far more advanced than India when it comes to following Samashti Dharma.

After all Columbus was finding another route to India a few centuries ago - India was prosperous and relatively speaking following Dharma then . I already used the word relative to account for possible Varna related issues that are Adharmic (this is to stop the usual brigade whatever they can be named to pounce on this statement LoL )

In my view if the citizens of India became more prosperous the same greatness can return. For that to happen the cancer of corruption has to be won over by the collective actions of many. The caste issues of today will become lesser if the country became more advanced in terms of material wealth that is available to a common Indian.

 

[Nara]

Modern thinking is rich become richer by exploiting poor. Therefore, is it possible it is because faithless countries don't feel it is immoral to exploit poor religious countries and therefore are more successful in accumulating wealth?

The fact is, among OECD countries it is the countries that are religious that are worst in terms of income and wealth inequality. It is the west European countries like Denmark, Sweden and Norway that have expansive social safety net to catch the poor from falling through, whereas the more religious countries like USA where the gap between rich and poor is great and widening.

 

[Raji Ram]

Talking about faith -- I was interested in the link P.J. provided about இட்லி, தோசை மாவில் பயங்கர கலப்படம், but when I clicked I found this:

ஸ்ரீராமருக்கே உதவிய ராம நாமம்! – அரிய தகவல்...........

Should I believe this Prof. Sir?

The news about 'idli - dhOsA mAvu' only appeared on my PC screen when I clicked the link!

Probably Lord Rama doesn't want to leave you, even when you repeatedly confirm that you are an atheist!! :lol:

 

[Raji Ram]

............. So, the lesson is, chant away, rama, rama, rama, and you will get what you desire .....

This is the kind of superstitious nonsense that is peddled and enjoyed by our TBs, very sad ....

Dear Prof. Sir,

I feel happy when someone chants Rama nAmA for two reasons:

1. It will improve concentration.

2. During the chanting time, they can't scold others!

 

[Nara]

2. During the chanting time, they can't scold others!

Well, they can't scold others when they are sleeping, when they are taking a dump, when they are watching porn, just as much ....

 

[renuka]

Well, they can't scold others when they are sleeping, when they are taking a dump, when they are watching porn, just as much ....

LOL! Just one time logging into Priya Rai' site and now I see the word Porn??

OMG Nara ji got spoiled!LOL

 

[biswa]

Wait what? Who's watching? That too while chanting Rama Nama? Why? No other name to chant?

 

[Raji Ram]

Well, they can't scold others when they are sleeping, when they are taking a dump, when they are watching porn, just as much ....

Absolutely true! But this weird comparison is likely to hurt all the devotees of Lord Rama! :sad:

 

[renuka]

Absolutely true! But this weird comparison is likely to hurt all the devotees of Lord Rama! :sad:

Dear RR ji,



BTW Nara ji made a mistake..so I dont think the comparison will hurt anyone..you see..


1) When we are sleeping we can still scold someone in our dreams and sleep talk.


2)When answering the call of nature one can still yell "WHO THE HELL PUT THE TOILET SEAT UP?"


3)When we are watching some X rated stuff we can still scold someone and yell at them "CAN YOU NOT DISTURB ME! I AM TRYING TO LEARN SOMETHING HERE"