Why are faithless countries the richest?

[biswa]

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I think the lesson here is that Renuka ji is better at multi-tasking than Nara ji.

RR ji on the other hand is singularly focussed.

 

[Nara]

Absolutely true! But this weird comparison is likely to hurt all the devotees of Lord Rama!

Sorry Mrs. RR, but you are the one who started it by claiming reciting rama rama takes time away from scolding others, all I did was to take it to the logical next step...

I don't understand why the rama nama people are so sensitive, and so callous? They take offense at the drop of the hat, but dish out offense as though it is their birth right....

recite rama, rama, a million times, no problem, but if you claim anything positive to come out of it, then I am afraid you have to be prepared to be challenged ...

 

[Raji Ram]

I think the lesson here is that Renuka ji is better at multi-tasking than Nara ji.

RR ji on the other hand is singularly focussed.

One thing at a time and that done well! :thumb:

:gossip: But, I am listening to a music concert while typing this out!

 

[renuka]

One thing at a time and that done well! :thumb:

:gossip: But, I am listening to a music concert while typing this out!

Dear RR ji,

I am also doing the same..listening to a song and singing it while typing this and replying a friends emails when it comes.. ..somehow we females are such good multitaskers arent we?

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Prof. Sir,

Since my grandfather was a devotee of Lord Rama, I feel hurt when chanting Rama nAmA is compared with watching some porn!

I understand that you continued ONLY the logical part!

But how on earth did you get the Rama nAmA link while clicking the link for 'idli and dhOsA'.

 

[renuka]

Dear Prof. Sir,

Since my grandfather was a devotee of Lord Rama, I feel hurt when chanting Rama nAmA is compared with watching some porn!

I understand that you continued ONLY the logical part!

But how on earth did you get the Rama nAmA link while clicking the link for 'idli and dhOsA'.

Dear RR ji,

What is wrong with porn?

It is just the act of two humans together..it is just that they recorded it and the rest of us did not switch on our camcoder/videocam!LOL

 

[tks]

Sorry Mrs. RR, but you are the one who started it by claiming reciting rama rama takes time away from scolding others, all I did was to take it to the logical next step...

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recite rama, rama, a million times, no problem, but if you claim anything positive to come out of it, then I am afraid you have to be prepared to be challenged ...

Nara - In this instance your comment is not about taking the logical step and hence has to be challenged..
In fact it is an irrational response due to past conditioning of reacting to a name like Rama .. this is actually an example of being brainwashed in my view.

My comment has nothing to do with my beliefs or being a theist or atheist or whatever.

Doing any kind of 'Japa' is a form of meditation that has been proven valuable to human ability to process information.

Stating Rama name is but one form of meditation - right attitude to unify the mind can be accomplished if someone has some kind of reverence to the name being recited. This need not even have to do with any historical figure called Rama.

There are many serious scientific studies about the benefits of meditation and are documented extensively. You can do your own research since the information available is ubiquitous.

Here is a latest summary from Scientific American editor summarizing some of the recent results.
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How Does Meditation Change the Brain?: Scientific American Video

How Does Meditation Change the Brain? Meditation can sharpen attention, strengthen memory and improve other mental abilities.Scientific American editor Ferris Jabr examines the changes in brain structure behind some of these benefits.

 

[Nara]

Well, well, there seems to be another side to this controversy ...

What the advocates are agitating for is a transparent system ....

Protest over judges' selection rocks Madras HC - The Times of India

Kanagaraj told TOI. "We want total transparency and fair procedure in the matter . We expect persons with ability, integrity and character, not to say good court practice, alone to be considered for elevation to the high court," he said .

Also ...

Resisting Brahmin judges, over 15,000 advocates boycott Madras High Court proceedings : South, News - India Today
"Entrance tests are conducted for office assistant's jobs. But for judges' appointments, just three persons make the selection. This collegium system should be done away with. Appointments should be transparent and on the basis of merit.

When it suits them, they talk about the so called merit, when situation changes they play the caste-card, otherwise they demand caste-blind policies.

I for one long for the day when each and every human being has equal opportunity as the next one, and is judged by his/her merit, but in the meantime, at least be logical and fair, not selfish and self-centered....

 

[krish44]

Absolutely true! But this weird comparison is likely to hurt all the devotees of Lord Rama! :sad:

the most logical expanation is naraji deliberately pressed the ramanama link instead of idli and dosa link. he is turning over a new leaf in his life.he requires the help of all including multi-tasking ladies and men with special powers to admit him to the hindu fold LOL

 

[tks]

Dear Prof. Sir,

I feel happy when someone chants Rama nAmA for two reasons:

1. It will improve concentration.

2. During the chanting time, they can't scold others!

Mrs RR

You are absolutely right on both statements - I would ignore flippant comments.

I already posted about how meditation (Japa kind like chanting Rama with right attitude) can help concentration. These are scientifically established facts.

Let me address the wisdom behind 'they cant scold others' even though you may have had a smiley !

Scolding happens often as a reaction - it is not an action.
Reactive nature makes a person come across as unthinking and hence is detriment to anyone aspiring for position of leadership and influence.

I have been around people who meditate a lot as part of their daily activities. They hold key positions in their respective industry. I have rarely see them scold or react that later comes to haunt them.

Not just during daily meditation time ( you can substitute chanting time) one cannot react (you can substitute scolding as one example of reacting) but that sense of self confidence tends to stay outside the meditation time also.

So if you were stating a common wisdom there is some reasoning behind it all !

By the way watching porn or doing the call of nature cannot help one in putting a 'pause' between action and response and if pause is not there, then there is reaction

Regards

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear TKS Sir,

Thank you very much for your reply. In fact, my grandfather used to spend many hours chanting Rama nAmA and it helped him forget his

stomach pain due to ulcer. He was the one who gave us training in carnatic music.

 

[krish44]

Dear TKS Sir,

Thank you very much for your reply. In fact, my grandfather used to spend many hours chanting Rama nAmA and it helped him forget his

stomach pain due to ulcer. He was the one who gave us training in carnatic music.

chanting ramanama might improve your meditation powers. chanting it over loudspeakers in temples disturbs the neighbourhood sleep in winter mornings as the call for namaz from mosque. I live right opposite a south indian temple. I have long put up with it. My soul can go only to heavan and nowhere else

 

[wrongan]

KINDLY see the DOLLAR NOTE the word printed is 'WE TRUST IN GOD'Do you mean to say it is a rational quote.

 

[sangom]

KINDLY see the DOLLAR NOTE the word printed is 'WE TRUST IN GOD'Do you mean to say it is a rational quote.

WE TRUST IN GOD means, so you also trust in God and not in US.(pun accidental!)

 

[ashwin_ash]

Good point, but why forget GCC? The counter examples to your point would be Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Dubai, Abu Dhabi etc etc. Maybe Italy and Spain also qualify.

One explanation would be education and intellectual attainment is anathema to dogmatic organized religion.

Even in the GCC, when you exit the airport in say Jeddah or Kuwait City, people silently accost you and inquire as to whether you'd like 'siddiq' delivered at your door. Colloquial for alcohol.. And the feasts they have during Ramadan, and the colossal food wastage is to be seen to be believed. The religion in the GCC is primarily money, faith is also nice to have (big money and faked faith is a deadly combo, is used as a stick to beat the rest of the world).

The main point is, the GCC guys didn't kill themselves when someone drew a cartoon somewhere. They didn't even condemn the act. 1000s of Indians killed themselves though. Caste killings, honor killings, fights between 'two communities' are all too commonplace in India and the country remains dirt poor as a result. Does spiritual wealth really enhance a person's material well-being?

 

[ashwin_ash]

chanting ramanama might improve your meditation powers. chanting it over loudspeakers in temples disturbs the neighbourhood sleep in winter mornings as the call for namaz from mosque. I live right opposite a south indian temple. I have long put up with it. My soul can go only to heavan and nowhere else

Keep on chanting RAMARAMARAMARAMARAMARAMARAMA.. and it becomes MARA MARA MARA and can be construed as a curse.. People might as well chat Siva Siva LOLLL.. Seriously, countries which have shed the shackles of religion have progressed well in terms of material, physical, and mental wealth. What does a man gain by being 'spiritual'? The poor man on the streets without the means for one square meal a day will care less for spirituality.

 

[sravna]

Keep on chanting RAMARAMARAMARAMARAMARAMARAMA.. and it becomes MARA MARA MARA and can be construed as a curse.. People might as well chat Siva Siva LOLLL.. Seriously, countries which have shed the shackles of religion have progressed well in terms of material, physical, and mental wealth. What does a man gain by being 'spiritual'? The poor man on the streets without the means for one square meal a day will care less for spirituality.

By being spiritual you can certainly gain peace which cannot be guaranteed by your physical or mental prowess

 

[sangom]

By being spiritual you can certainly gain peace which cannot be guaranteed by your physical or mental prowess

This exactly is the problem and this is the delusion which our hindu religion wants people to come under. In the olden days, the caste rules could be blunt and unkindest enough to declare that "brahmajnaana" is NOT for the sudra. (The word 'sudra' itself means "one who - always - is dissolved by his own sOka or worry (śucād drāvayati iti śūdraḥ)".) But it is today illegal to condemn the poor Sudra in this way. So, our religionists have invented this new method of saying to the aam aadmi, "don't aspire for health or wealth; seek spirituality and spend whatever little you have on temples, pilgrimages, gurus, godmen/godwomen etc., and become abjectly poor. That is the highest spirituality".

But the people controlling religion roll in unlimited wealth like that person who gave Rs.110 crores for building the Sai baba Ashram!

Just today I came across the following observation by a Malayalam writer, Benyamin:

"All the pilgrimage centers throughout India are attracting ever-increasing crowds. The streets in those places are filled with devotees of all religions, castes and creeds. But there is no corresponding beneficial movements in the society. On the other hand, the Indian society is, day by day, falling in a nose-dive from decadence to decadence."

(Free style translation by me of a news item which appeared in the Mathrubhumi, Trivandrum edition of today)
This is what the OP also tries to express, in the global scenario. I firmly believe that "Less religion and more hard and principled work will build a strong nation."

 

[ozone]

Less religion and more hard and principled work will build a strong nation.

But the OP is about building a rich nation.
Principled work cannot happen without a principled life, and principled life cannot happen from thin air.
I hope we dont get into a delusion that rich nation have principled work.

 

[prasad1]

I am appealed that people keep talking about religion, as if they understand it.
Religion can mean different things to different people. Religion in my opinion is personal. Other use of religion in public is used for political purpose.
for more than 90% of people religion and humanity is synonymous. So what is the meaning of "less religion"? To me this blind faith in some mumbo jumbo called astrology is more religion than Temple visits. So this champion of anti-religion supporting this pseudo-Science is a farce.

If you fall pray to the misrepresented idea of religion then it is your own fault. Others may have positive opinion of religion as their definition os religion is based their own conviction.

I do not follow any organized religion, but my religion is my business, and your religion is your business.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

It is quite simple dear prasad. We all agree that there are problems in this world and we all would like to pretend to offer solutions.

We all have our pet themes about issues and how to resolve them. For the irreligious, the religion is the root cause. For the atheists, theism is the root cause. For anti-reservationists, reservation is the root cause - so on and so forth. Some are more vocal than others. That is all.

 

[Nara]

The news about 'idli - dhOsA mAvu' only appeared on my PC screen when I clicked the link!

When I clicked the link this is what I got:



I looked closely and didn't find இட்லி or தோசை or மாவு. The only word that came close was இன்ட்லி. I don't know what that is, looks like a link to some social media site.

But, take a look at the prominent headline, ஸ்ரீராமருக்கே உதவிய ராம நாமம் - அரிய தகவல்.

What தகவல் is this? Rama recited his own name and that helped him get sita back!! This is the தகவல், that is அரிய தகவல், LOL!!!

I have no problem with meditation, it can calm one down and could have beneficial effects. "rama rama rama" is not the crucial element in meditation, it can be any phrase, or object. If rama rama rama is your preference, no problem. But to claim special powers to the "rama" like this அரிய தகவல் is just nonsense, that is all I wanted to convey.

 

[sangom]

But the OP is about building a rich nation.
Principled work cannot happen without a principled life, and principled life cannot happen from thin air.
I hope we dont get into a delusion that rich nation have principled work.

rich nations are generally stronger than the not-so-rich, the only exception may be the US of A. If we want to become a strong nation, we have necessarily to become rich, even to have a strong army/defence for that matter. Is not it?

 

[sangom]

Talking about faith -- I was interested in the link P.J. provided about இட்லி, தோசை மாவில் பயங்கர கலப்படம், but when I clicked I found this:

ஸ்ரீராமருக்கே உதவிய ராம நாமம்! – அரிய தகவல்


This அரிய தகவல் says, chanting rama rama will help you because Hanuman chanted rama rama and saw Sita and Rama get back together, Sita chanted rama rama and got back with Rama (got banished when pregnant, but that is a different story), Rama himself chanted rama rama (!) and got back with Sita. So, the lesson is, chant away, rama, rama, rama, and you will get what you desire .....

This is the kind of superstitious nonsense that is peddled and enjoyed by our TBs, very sad ....

Dear Nara,

There is a story often told to kids by grandmothers, in our parts. One illiterate fellow went to a very learned brahmin pandit and requested him to give him the upadesam of a mantra which will make him (the illiterate fellow) see God. Since the poor fellow was of low caste and could not even come near the pandit, the latter got very furious and vented his ire by shouting "viDDhi! kooshmaaNDam!" and showed him the gate.

The poor fellow thought that this was the way 'upadesam' was done and tried his best to remember the mantra viz., "viDDhi kooshmaaNDam" - (both mean idiot in sanskrit) but, by the time he reached his hut it had transformed to "viDDishmANDam" and the fellow went on chanting this for months and years, at all times.

Then one day both the pandit and the country fellow accompanying him at a distance, were travelling to another place and had to pass through a jungle infested with armed robbers. Robbers came and our idiot started reciting his "viDDishmaaNDam" and god came into his sight as a powerful bull and drove away the robbers. The pandit did not see anything and thought that the other fellow had mastered some great magical powers and fell at his feet and beseeched him to teach that magic.

For Rama temples of course Ramanamam is surely complan the health drink. May be that is how ramanamam helps even Rama!

 

[sravna]

This exactly is the problem and this is the delusion which our hindu religion wants people to come under. In the olden days, the caste rules could be blunt and unkindest enough to declare that "brahmajnaana" is NOT for the sudra. (The word 'sudra' itself means "one who - always - is dissolved by his own sOka or worry (śucād drāvayati iti śūdraḥ)".) But it is today illegal to condemn the poor Sudra in this way. So, our religionists have invented this new method of saying to the aam aadmi, "don't aspire for health or wealth; seek spirituality and spend whatever little you have on temples, pilgrimages, gurus, godmen/godwomen etc., and become abjectly poor. That is the highest spirituality".

But the people controlling religion roll in unlimited wealth like that person who gave Rs.110 crores for building the Sai baba Ashram!

Just today I came across the following observation by a Malayalam writer, Benyamin:

"All the pilgrimage centers throughout India are attracting ever-increasing crowds. The streets in those places are filled with devotees of all religions, castes and creeds. But there is no corresponding beneficial movements in the society. On the other hand, the Indian society is, day by day, falling in a nose-dive from decadence to decadence."

(Free style translation by me of a news item which appeared in the Mathrubhumi, Trivandrum edition of today)
This is what the OP also tries to express, in the global scenario. I firmly believe that "Less religion and more hard and principled work will build a strong nation."

Dear Shri Sangom,

Hinduism is certainly not trying to delude us into anything. On the other hand it really does make you realize the truth. It is my belief that if one practices spiritual ways by that I mean not just going to temples or visiting godmen but adherence to good values I am sure one can be peaceful. But I would hasten to add that one has to practice such values so that in the final analysis it is just not the values only that need to be faithful to in a situation but to the overall dharma that should prevail. Thus I hold you can lie if it can save an innocent. If that sense of higher dharma prevails, I think you can be true to your nature. You do not have your nature be changed by the times and be unkind to the good or be forced to align with the bad. The real trick or the requirement is the ability to handle pressure and though not all the people have the same ability to handle pressure it is something that can be improved by spiritual practices such as meditation and also one's own resolve to adhere to dharma and in the present world to the higher dharma.

So hinduism in my own experience teaches you the right. We are deluded by other influences and are not able to see and follow exactly what it teaches.