Love all does not mean anything vulgar. It is loving person as a human being or a living being without any attachments of hate or desire.It is more on the spiritual or evolution plane. We live our life like all social animals without thinking about our higher self. that is without ego, desire, bodily attachments..that is the cause of suffering..take in that sense..it is no laughing matter but a long lasting or ever lasting matter..Why we have family is as an individual we are selfish, if we increase our circle to the family, our love expands. if we increase to relatives our love expands..if we love our country our love expands...our love should be in expansion mode instead of individualistic..that's was told and now told as SANATHAN DHARMA..in which if individual desires are curtailed or according to society's interests, avaricious tendencies of persons will be curtailed..but now the opposite thinking is happening now. now first and foremost in our mind is individual well being..then husband/wife/children/father/mother/father-in-law/mother-in-law/close relatives/our place...like this everybody gives more importance to individual well being ..if they get anything in return , they give otherwise they conflict...But this is not the way our earlier society lived...or was advised to live..every body worked for the welfare of the society..that's why we had a proverb ...oru veetukka..oru allai thyagam seiyalam...(that is in bheema's bhagasura killing this comes)...oru nattukkkka oru urai thyagam seiyalam...i think everybody knows this neethi sastra
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Why many don't want the next birth?
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Once one of my students changed the lyric of a song. :juggle:
Instead of 'pAvalar yAvarum pAdiya vEndhanai' (The Lord about whom all the poets sang),
she sang 'pAvalar yAvarum pAdiya vEdhanai' (the sufferings about which all the poets sang!!)
I burst into laughter but then told her that what she sang is also correct because many of the composers
have lamented to God about their sufferings and prayed for salvation, by reaching His lotus feet!
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Here is a lovely lament in a lively rAgam:
Nan oru viLaiyattu bommaiyaa - Nithyasree Mahadevan
Instead of 'pAvalar yAvarum pAdiya vEndhanai' (The Lord about whom all the poets sang),
she sang 'pAvalar yAvarum pAdiya vEdhanai' (the sufferings about which all the poets sang!!)
I burst into laughter but then told her that what she sang is also correct because many of the composers
have lamented to God about their sufferings and prayed for salvation, by reaching His lotus feet!
ray: Here is a lovely lament in a lively rAgam:
Nan oru viLaiyattu bommaiyaa - Nithyasree Mahadevan
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Dear RV,
Love is nothing vulgar. What I mean is that love shown is different for different persons, though the basic feature is kindness and care!
Humans can't be like robots! Show love and still be detached! If the parents /siblings / partner / children / friends are loved, there
will be attachment to them. No doubt about it! Only when we grow old and all our duties, because of Karma are over, we can slowly
detach from worldly desires and pray for salvation, in case we do not wish for more births!!ray2:
Love is nothing vulgar. What I mean is that love shown is different for different persons, though the basic feature is kindness and care!
Humans can't be like robots! Show love and still be detached! If the parents /siblings / partner / children / friends are loved, there
will be attachment to them. No doubt about it! Only when we grow old and all our duties, because of Karma are over, we can slowly
detach from worldly desires and pray for salvation, in case we do not wish for more births!!
ray2: 
renuka
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Dear Vaithehi,
Friends with benefits is not vulgar too..its takes a lot of understanding and commitment to be involved yet detached.
renuka
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Dear Vaithehi,
BTW I dont think that even in yesteryears everyone was living for the welfare of the society..society even in yesteryears did have its fair share of selfless and selfish people otherwise we would not have had this stanza(see below) where it clearly states the difference in mindset of mean minded people and the magnanimous..that goes to show different types of people existed even then.So frankly speaking I dont really think society has changed much...its just that exposure is more now and everything gets reported..previously we hardly knew what went on anywhere.
Here is the stanza
”अयं बन्धुरयं नेति गणना लघुचेतसाम् |
उदारचरितानां तु वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम् || ”
ayaṁ bandhurayaṁ nēti gaṇanā laghucētasām |
udāracaritānām tu vasudhaiva kuṭumbakam ||
Discrimination saying "this one is a relative; this other one is a stranger" is for the mean-minded. For those who're known as magnanimous, the entire world constitutes but a family.
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Avatars descend in human form not to take birth but making other people (human beings) to realize their godly nature and return to moksha or to make them get rid off from re birth (that's why they are called thirtankara means redeeming people from birth slavery...that's why this world is called MAYA...In MAYA we think painful activities as pleasurable ..pleasurable activities as painful...If we some prisoner says "i'm very comfortable in prison..why should i get released?"..what you will do..? You will laugh at his madness...Like that only saints are also...they are not understood in the right way and we think they are blind and don't know the way to live happily because of our attachments. Lust is not Love...But we glorify lust as love...There is a story about a person who was hanging from a tree near a big falls nearby and a tiger was sitting under to kill him...on the above there was a snake to bite...from beehive one drop of honey is falling..bees are stinking..still he/she enjoys honey..that is our life..but we never bother as long as we get this one drop of honey...Don't comment by seeing TV shows...TV shows especially western shows always project everything as rosy just like our ads for buying FMCG products
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Raji Ram
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I did not write the first sentence R V! Please quote properly and answer! Thank you.
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OK! An interesting page I saw today says:
''It seems to have been adapted from the phrase 'to play for love (of the game)' (i.e. to play for nothing).
Although the theory is often heard that it represents the French word l'oeuf, meaning 'an egg'
(from the resemblance between an egg and a nought) this seems unlikely.''
The French word seems likely according to me, since in Tamil also zero score is called 'muttai'!
Play for nothing?????????? Tennis stars make money in millions!opcorn:
''It seems to have been adapted from the phrase 'to play for love (of the game)' (i.e. to play for nothing).
Although the theory is often heard that it represents the French word l'oeuf, meaning 'an egg'
(from the resemblance between an egg and a nought) this seems unlikely.''
The French word seems likely according to me, since in Tamil also zero score is called 'muttai'!
Play for nothing?????????? Tennis stars make money in millions!
opcorn: Every Perfect system gets degenerated after some time ...over the years due to people not able to follow the strict standards or the standards which will not be able to follow after a century...Like that SANKARA's ADVITA (WHY IT IS GIVING ERROR I DON"T KNOW) got watered down into DWITA (i.e from non-dual to dual)..Like that for the sake of convenience the people who were in the upper echelons modified the system according to their convenience. Previously in KRITA YUGA every body lived a Brahman life that's why it was called "SATYA YUGA"..the next YUGA THRETA YUGA, Brahman followed kshatriya life and kshatriya followed brahman life...that's why we have parasurama (WHO FOLLOWED KSHATRIYA LIFE EVEN THOUGH BRAHMAN BY BIRTH) and VISWAMITRA (WHO FOLLOWED BRAHMAN LIFE EVENTHOUGH KSHATRIYA).it is not the fault of the system but every century going we have more mix up of culture, races..that is inevitable..that's why i'm saying if westerners get some indian ness by living in our country..our ideas will spread..we are good thinkers but more we debate than execute...westerners are not very good thinkers but they execute..thinkers will think...think..think and will not execute..westerners are also having thinkers (but their thinking is outwardly or materialistic)..they are thinking is not whole (encompassing all living beings)..our thinking is global encompassing every type of problem but since we are more of thinkers we are more debating than executing...If we go on thinking and debating..we can't execute...if we go on executing....we can't properly think what is to be executed or not to be executed...This is not to blame anyone...we must have the collective skill of all..this is not racist...but according to gene trait every body should evolve...but western system's equality is euphemistic ..A man can't do all the duties of a woman....(Rearing a family in good tradition is woman's duty)...A woman can't do all the duties of a man ...(protecting the family in times of adverse circumstances where it requires more muscle power or physical efforts ...)....Will power is needed for every human being but that is also according to one previous birth's accumulations and also due to one individual to withstand adversities..every body is unique...every body has to evolve according to their own traits..that's why GOD has compassionately given countless births in which each and every person can slowly evolve according to his/her own capacity..A system should not be contradictory but complimentary to enhance and encompass all views..but all views should be for the better evolution of the system rather than degeneration of the system.
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Raji Ram
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Wow, R V! :clap2:
Attacking the West as always. Good. But I think West also had good thinkers and philosophers!
BTW, you also seem to agree that the stage when a human has attained the 'best human' status,
it is time to stop wishing for the next birth!
P.S: Please make paragraphs in your long posts or give space between lines. Just a request!
Attacking the West as always. Good. But I think West also had good thinkers and philosophers!
BTW, you also seem to agree that the stage when a human has attained the 'best human' status,
it is time to stop wishing for the next birth!
P.S: Please make paragraphs in your long posts or give space between lines. Just a request!
Thanks for your postive comments. i'm a fast typer ..that's why when ever i want to say something i never put even full stop.Actually i'm not against west thinkers...but against only materialistic and individualistic thinking only without thinking about repurcussions which happens in million and billions of people's life.It is not against one system for another.we want a better system so that every human being in this world get benefitted rather than some small group who are wealthy, having power and status.
If thee are good thinkers there that is because of the combination of Asian gene ...Like the way western people saying that they migrated (or Aryans) migrated to central asia and then to india...I made an analysis according to which the four races which lived in jambu dwipa went to different parts of the world ...Mostly WHITE AND BLACK RACE (PURE RACE...mind it this is not racial but an analysis) which lived here got mixed up and we have different shades of brown and black people who are mostly intellectual workers or workers. In the western region the red race lived and north and north east region yellow race lived...the red race which lived in the west of jambu dwipa led to westerner evolution and yellow led to the chinese evolution (Here you can get some insight from lost continents like ATLANTIS , LEMURIA and Greek philosophers writings on Atlantis and also our SANKALPA JAMBU DWIPE, BHARATHA VARSHE and CHATUR VARNYAM MAYA SHRISHTAM). Just if any one analyse properly we can get the truth about the evolution of races , their natural genetic traits and how civilization evolved in different parts of the world and this will lead to better human resource utility according to their gene makeup rather than everybody doing every thing.
renuka
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You might really like the Vaagmi gene theory I feel.
Vaithehi isnt that really unfair to say there are great thinkers in the west cos they have Asian gene?
Can we really prove that? The last time anyone thought his genes were superior he ended up becoming a mass murderer(I am talking about Hitler).
So any form of extreme superiority feeling is NOT conducive..I note that you tend to be spiritualy inclined..so with that I hope you would try to see the same Paramatma in all races of the world and try not to think that any one race is superior or inferior.
I feel your division of races like white/red/yellow/black is not accurate cos that would make God like an Abrahamic God that makes things with a magic wand..its as if humans have no way out of anything.
BTW tell me how many Indians are really white skinned? When I mean white I mean real white like a blonde blue eyed Scandinavian.Indians come in various skin shades so how are you going to classify them? Since you say Asians are thinkers by Asian I presume you mean Indians..going by that we Indians should all be white skinned isnt it?
Also can you tell me who are the red races?
BTW you mentioned that we have to analyze genetic make up for better human resource utility..that is a person doing a job according to what his genes show??
Can you tell me just how do you plan to carry out this rather money consuming task?
I can give you my details and genetic make up for you to analyze what job best suits me but I need to know how you would come to a conclusion.
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If you dont have an [COLOR=#000000 !important]answer[/COLOR] to my question right now you can always take your time to present your analysis some other day but dont jump to conclusions that I called you foolish..that is totally your misinterpretation.
That is why porn turns on people who watch it cos they have an orgasmic experience in their mind.
I told several times that for doing an analysis gregor mendell did it on his own.Even then i told that there are sites which speak about lost continents and the races which lived in this..i.e., Atlantis and Lemuria...Greek philosophers have quoted this.The way in which you are coming to the conclusion prove that as though i'm talking from a waft of thin air. Just like empty rhetoric...No here i analyse based on the facts i get...not on the western way of thinking...even neandertals are actually the ancestors of modern human being...they are saying..neatendertals never had any progressive thoughts like our rishis..we have in every living kind hervibores,carnivores, omnivores..if it is the truth means, how can modern human beings would have evolved from carnivores neandertals alone.? (KINDLY ANSWER MY QUESTION)...
If we have nature life cycle and natural resources to sustain them only all living being will thrive...but when dynosours lived only dynosours were there nothing else...In a food chain if all herbivores dynosours died , how can the carnivores will survive...They are taking some specimens (life specimens from rock fossils) and classify everything as dynasorus but we knew that all living things existed ....if every living thing is evolved only, how are they not able to tell some crucial missing links in the evolution of human kind?...If after a greater catastrophic impact if everything perished, how come crocodiles and cockroaches were there from earlier onwards (tortoise also)..Their way of analysis is quite complicated..even the system they develop, they destroy everything and after that they say they want to preserve extinct species..what a blasphemy and hypocrite thinking?...
When they went to the moon , they showed pictures of the first foot giant foot step of human kind (NEIL ARM STRONG) who photographed this..when he photographed the foot step means he should have been the first one and not neil armstrong...The flag fluttered but in moon we all know there is no air..what is the use of finding living organism in other planets and finding water in other planets when in our planet they destroy every available natural resources and want to recreate..if human beings are dying here out of hunger and thirst what is the use of finding organisms in outer planets...They complicate everything by destroying the natural way of living, they boast of something which they alone did but it is only the combined efforts of all individuals..In movies they show as though USA is the only country which is saving the whole world where as the opposite is happening..
About Obama my remark is not racial but genetic i'm saying not a racial supremacy but a complementary system every human being can evolve according to their gene traits rather than artificial way of imposed way of living..IF you have not told me foolish, how can you say that whatever i'm saying is not acceptable..if it is not acceptable means it indirectly indicts i'm foolish
That is why porn turns on people who watch it cos they have an orgasmic experience in their mind.
I told several times that for doing an analysis gregor mendell did it on his own.Even then i told that there are sites which speak about lost continents and the races which lived in this..i.e., Atlantis and Lemuria...Greek philosophers have quoted this.The way in which you are coming to the conclusion prove that as though i'm talking from a waft of thin air. Just like empty rhetoric...No here i analyse based on the facts i get...not on the western way of thinking...even neandertals are actually the ancestors of modern human being...they are saying..neatendertals never had any progressive thoughts like our rishis..we have in every living kind hervibores,carnivores, omnivores..if it is the truth means, how can modern human beings would have evolved from carnivores neandertals alone.? (KINDLY ANSWER MY QUESTION)...
If we have nature life cycle and natural resources to sustain them only all living being will thrive...but when dynosours lived only dynosours were there nothing else...In a food chain if all herbivores dynosours died , how can the carnivores will survive...They are taking some specimens (life specimens from rock fossils) and classify everything as dynasorus but we knew that all living things existed ....if every living thing is evolved only, how are they not able to tell some crucial missing links in the evolution of human kind?...If after a greater catastrophic impact if everything perished, how come crocodiles and cockroaches were there from earlier onwards (tortoise also)..Their way of analysis is quite complicated..even the system they develop, they destroy everything and after that they say they want to preserve extinct species..what a blasphemy and hypocrite thinking?...
When they went to the moon , they showed pictures of the first foot giant foot step of human kind (NEIL ARM STRONG) who photographed this..when he photographed the foot step means he should have been the first one and not neil armstrong...The flag fluttered but in moon we all know there is no air..what is the use of finding living organism in other planets and finding water in other planets when in our planet they destroy every available natural resources and want to recreate..if human beings are dying here out of hunger and thirst what is the use of finding organisms in outer planets...They complicate everything by destroying the natural way of living, they boast of something which they alone did but it is only the combined efforts of all individuals..In movies they show as though USA is the only country which is saving the whole world where as the opposite is happening..
About Obama my remark is not racial but genetic i'm saying not a racial supremacy but a complementary system every human being can evolve according to their gene traits rather than artificial way of imposed way of living..IF you have not told me foolish, how can you say that whatever i'm saying is not acceptable..if it is not acceptable means it indirectly indicts i'm foolish
renuka
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Dear Vaithehi,
Many people in Forum disagree and cant accept some of my views..even you yourself have disagreed with me with my stance of sex workers..remember?
I do not have very conservative views and many orthodox individuals would not accept my views..even Krish ji says I am ahead of time..but that does not mean anyone of them think I am foolish.
Disagreeing with a person does not mean we think the other person is ignorant.
We are mature adults that can agree to disagree.
Vaithehi I do not wish to further debate..
regards
First of all i thank you for being so polite but i don't think western views are progressive and ahead of time..Our great rishis have envisioned so many things in astronomy and medical field that have been found true only after centuries by westerners . that does not mean that they did not do any great thing. whatever administrative system we have it is due to western culture only. even the global communication language is english only. Still i feel for the sake of materialistic making even natural resources as costlier by destroying nature thinking that humans are here to rule everything is the greatest mistake even now they are not correcting or even if pointed out not agreeing. KIndly don't think every western idea is very progressive and without complications. Like that kindly don't think indians or asians are conservative in their approach. Because of Sex gratification and desire to rule everything (i.e., to have all everything in one's possession) is the greatest mistake which led to all this evil. Even Ramakrishna paramahamsa told that KAMAM (It is not only lust but every materialistic desire) and KASU AASAI (Desire for materialistic wealth) led to the down grade of human beings. I also don't want to argue further..There is no end to debates
Not to be born again is an allergic reaction to life - not borne out of "dharmasankatam". I know an acquaintance - a good man in all respect - said he "does not want" moksha. Many may outwardly say that but inwardly would like to be here; in fact many of us would not want to just die even.
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Dear Sir,
Nice to hear that a good man does not want moksha, which means that he wants to be born again! That sound great! :thumb:
OK. Let me ask our forum friends a question. Who all wish to be born again and if yes is the answer, in which environment?
Renu has already said that she wishes to be born as herself again. My answer: If I am born again, it should be for parents who
take care of me like the parents I have in this birth. And I would like to have good knowledge in Carnatic music and cool nature.
Male or female gender is fine.
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In Hinduism the concept of life extends beyond the two polarities of physical birth and death and much consideration given to the latter. That while the physical body experiences a limited span of life, the underlying principle of life, the atman or supreme spirit, is eternal, and therefore is not subjected to the same laws which govern the perishability of the physiological body. The atman is beyond suffering; it cannot be subjected to the vicissitudes of pleasures and pains. It is pure consciousness or the intelligent principle which operates in each of us. However, when this embodied atman begins to identify with emotions, desires and becomes the enjoyer and experiencer, its witness, non-afflicted nature becomes vitiated and the atman, now called a jeeva or drashta begins to identify with body, senses and mind.
The final destination, or liberation, occurs when the jeeva-atman merges into the divine to which it belongs; this would depend on the karmas or “actions” of the individual and would also determine whether jeeva-atman continues in the cycles of birth and death, or gains liberation. Death, while it is not often welcome, and while its experience may present many difficulties for both the dying person and those around, is one part of the continuum of life of a Hindu. It marks both an end as well as a beginning. Bhagwad Gita, our sacred scripture, informs Hindus that death is certain for the one who is born, and birth is certain for the one who dies (2:27).
The final destination, or liberation, occurs when the jeeva-atman merges into the divine to which it belongs; this would depend on the karmas or “actions” of the individual and would also determine whether jeeva-atman continues in the cycles of birth and death, or gains liberation. Death, while it is not often welcome, and while its experience may present many difficulties for both the dying person and those around, is one part of the continuum of life of a Hindu. It marks both an end as well as a beginning. Bhagwad Gita, our sacred scripture, informs Hindus that death is certain for the one who is born, and birth is certain for the one who dies (2:27).
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