Why many don't want the next birth?

[Jaykay767]

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Hi Renuka,

I am not sure you understand the implications of yourstatement. Being born in poverty, crime, slavery in Africa … similarly born indire poverty or slavery in India or for that matter in other developingcountries is beyond hell….. please readthe terrible terrible tale of these people to understand the horrific thingsthat happen…. They don’t experience a single night of peace for decades, theyare damaged forever…. Read some of the UN reports…

Our Rishis were so scared to be re-born again, they dideverything in their powers to liberate themselves once & for all.

Not all desires are bad – Desire to be liberated or beone with god is the most important thing we can do in this life.. Desireto do good for others…. Etc…

Cheers,

 

[renuka]

Hi Renuka,

I am not sure you understand the implications of yourstatement. Being born in poverty, crime, slavery in Africa … similarly born indire poverty or slavery in India or for that matter in other developingcountries is beyond hell….. please readthe terrible terrible tale of these people to understand the horrific thingsthat happen…. They don’t experience a single night of peace for decades, theyare damaged forever…. Read some of the UN reports…

Our Rishis were so scared to be re-born again, they dideverything in their powers to liberate themselves once & for all.

Not all desires are bad – Desire to be liberated or beone with god is the most important thing we can do in this life.. Desireto do good for others…. Etc…

Cheers,

Dear Jaykay,

How do I know what were my previous lives? It could have been bad too isnt it?

None of us know what we went tru and what we are going to go thru in the future.

Wishing only for the best for ourselves actually is subconscious fear.When we fear something it becomes imprinted in our mind and a imprint(vasana) is created ..and we might actually be born to experience what we fear the most

Rishis were never scared to be reborn..they knew that fear is one of the precursors of imprint formation in our mind...they just did what they had to do without attaching themselves to the fruits of it.


You make it sound as if Rishis were escapist from the world.

Moksha is not fear induced escapism.

 

[Raji Ram]

Thiruvalluvar gives the easiest way to go in the virtuous path:

அழுக்காறு அவாவெகுளி இன்னாச்சொல் நான்கும்
இழுக்கா இயன்றது அறம். - குறள் 35

பரிமேலழகர் உரை:

அழுக்காறு - பிறர் ஆக்கம் பொறாமையும்; அவா - புலன்கள்மேல் செல்கின்ற அவாவும்; வெகுளி - அவை ஏதுவாகப் பிறர்பால்

வரும் வெகுளியும்; இன்னாச்சொல்- அதுபற்றி வரும் கடுஞ்சொல்லும் ஆகிய; நான்கும் இழுக்கா இயன்றது அறம் -

இந்நான்கினையும் கடிந்து இடையறாது நடந்தது அறம் ஆவது.

That conduct is virtue which is free from these four things, viz, envying the greatness of others; lust to satisfy the five sense,

anger which arises when these are denied, and bitter speech.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Renu,

We need not have a desire for mOkashA.
But at least we can live in a virtuous path, right? :decision:

 

[Jaykay767]

Hi Renuka,

If one meditates long enough, the mind will be able totranscend & remember the previous lives. That’s how our Rishis were able tocome up with the birth/re-birth, Karmic Cycle in the first place. That’s how, theywere also able to forsee the future !!

They were able to remember everything in their previouslives, & they recorded it for us.

In every birth, wewill only be here, now & talking to each other not remembering our previouslives. That does not mean, we came here by accident, it is because of our goodkarma. So it is critical for us to do penance (prayaschittam) for our mistakes& build good karma so that our next lives are also equally good if notbetter.

Just because we don’t remember our previous birth doesnot mean, we will not be re-born again. That’s where we need to look at ourRishi’s, they were able to forsee the future & how they will be born again.

And life is not about conquering fear or emotions, it isabout channeling them towards greater cause & good.

Cheers,

 

[Jaykay767]

Hi Renuka – we could all very well have been born in a hopeless situation talking among each other. Just because we don't know our previous birth or our next, does not mean we did not or we will not experience them !! As real as this world looks, the next one will also be as real - our joys, pains & sufferings will be as real!! This is why I call our Rishi’s – unparalleled Geniuses !!They not only figured out this life, they also were able to transcend to other worlds & see them. They realized there are better worlds/other dimensions much better than Bhulokam – LOL !!! & were able to escape into them….. LOL..On a different note, I think, Einstien & many western scientists borrowed a lot from our ancient Rishi’s when he wrote his theory of relativity, time space continuum… that’s how the entire concept of multiple universes, parallel universes came out…. Our ancients had already seen them & written about the many worlds!!. Cheers,

 

[krish44]

Thiruvalluvar gives the easiest way to go in the virtuous path:

அழுக்காறு அவாவெகுளி இன்னாச்சொல் நான்கும்
இழுக்கா இயன்றது அறம். - குறள் 35

பரிமேலழகர் உரை:

அழுக்காறு - பிறர் ஆக்கம் பொறாமையும்; அவா - புலன்கள்மேல் செல்கின்ற அவாவும்; வெகுளி - அவை ஏதுவாகப் பிறர்பால்

வரும் வெகுளியும்; இன்னாச்சொல்- அதுபற்றி வரும் கடுஞ்சொல்லும் ஆகிய; நான்கும் இழுக்கா இயன்றது அறம் -

இந்நான்கினையும் கடிந்து இடையறாது நடந்தது அறம் ஆவது.

That conduct is virtue which is free from these four things, viz, envying the greatness of others; lust to satisfy the five sense,

anger which arises when these are denied, and bitter speech.

what is the sense in living , if it is condtional to so many things ..

living should be free of conditions. raising to heights without looking at others greatness,yielding to some lust for self satisfaction,sometimes angry when required , mostly good speech , interpersed with some bad.these make a human being in full with plus and minus.we do not want to be perfect nor we want moksha .we want to be human only .let others have moksha . we will leave the field to RRji and jaykayji. we are happy in this world

 

[Jaykay767]

Krish - I am sure you will be a singing a different tune, if you were born to a less privileged family like the folks in rural UP or Bihar or... Similarly the westerners better off than you must be thinking this is truly heaven.. with sex, drugs & what not... LOL !!! Cheers,

 

[renuka]

Hi Renuka – we could all very well have been born in a hopeless situation talking among each other. Just because we don't know our previous birth or our next, does not mean we did not or we will not experience them !! As real as this world looks, the next one will also be as real - our joys, pains & sufferings will be as real!! This is why I call our Rishi’s – unparalleled Geniuses !!They not only figured out this life, they also were able to transcend to other worlds & see them. They realized there are better worlds/other dimensions much better than Bhulokam – LOL !!! & were able to escape into them….. LOL..On a different note, I think, Einstien & many western scientists borrowed a lot from our ancient Rishi’s when he wrote his theory of relativity, time space continuum… that’s how the entire concept of multiple universes, parallel universes came out…. Our ancients had already seen them & written about the many worlds!!. Cheers,

Dear Jaykay,

God is a a genius..He set evolution in auto pilot mode for the flight of existence.


BTW I dont want to say which scientist borrowed from whom cos I am sure sometimes we have thought of inventing something but never acted on it a a few years time we see the same invention

So its just that sometimes people think alike..after all knowledge is in the cosmos..it depends who taps into it and acts on it.

We Indians keep bragging that this Rishi found this..this Rishi found that but it stops there..we dont do anything else about it.

 

[krish44]

Krish - I am sure you will be a singing a different tune, if you were born to a less privileged family like the folks in rural UP or Bihar or... Similarly the westerners better off than you must be thinking this is truly heaven.. with sex, drugs & what not... LOL !!! Cheers,

look jaykay ji happiness is a state of mind

material happiness is a small segment . money can add a bit to happiness as it can help get material things

even if you do not have a lot of money , you can still find satisfaction in relationships with people. you do not require much of money for that . only you have to reach out to other humans
do you mean to say poor in rural up or bihar are not happy . far from it
my happiest days were when I did not have material wealth.
develop a happy go lucky attitude . all will look charming and beautiful / you can tell yourself that - auto suggestion and enjoy what you have in hand .
you will not think of moksha.
learn to enjoy everyones company .accept people as they are. they will accept you on as is where is basis . that can be the basis of happy relationships

 

[Iyyarooraan]

Yes. But you can lick the back of your hand while eating sticky food, like eating a whole mango or honey stuck there while collecting. And palm shows your fate or luck.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Krish Sir,

During days of MahAbharat, Shakuni, Duryodhana and Dushasana lived and derived happiness is their own way!
Everyone can say, 'en vazhi thaneeeeeee vazhi'!! And as usual, some try to :horn: !

BTW, the over indulgence is said to be bad and no one says that we should NOT be famous, rich or knowledgeable.

We should NOT be proud peacocks or covet other's name / fame / wealth. This envious nature will mar our lives with
EXCESS of lust, anger and ill speech. That is what Valluvar advises people to avoid!! eace:

 

[krish44]

Dear Krish Sir,

During days of MahAbharat, Shakuni, Duryodhana and Dushasana lived and derived happiness is their own way!
Everyone can say, 'en vazhi thaneeeeeee vazhi'!! And as usual, some try to :horn: !

BTW, the over indulgence is said to be bad and no one says that we should NOT be famous, rich or knowledgeable.

We should NOT be proud peacocks or covet other's name / fame / wealth. This envious nature will mar our lives with
EXCESS of lust, anger and ill speech. That is what Valluvar advises people to avoid!! eace:

Great post. ThanKs for cautioning over excesses.

Too much of anything is bad

many times we do know the limit to which we can go

in life these limits are self imposed.

how much of anything is good we do not know

so keep trying until we hit a block or someone blows a sangu or gives an icon with little finger saying no no

many times we over reach and sometimes get away with it


and sometimes not

in the latter case pay a heavy price.

that does not mean we do not attempt those things again .

we are not learning animals

we are optimists

we think we will get it only if circumstances were a bit different , we would have got what we wanted

but what would be a man be if he does not have a bit of the above qualities mentioned by you

he would be a saint or a drop out

 

[M.R.Krishnan]

If one listens to Vedanta lectures by Sri Nochur Venkatraman or Sri Krishna Premi Anna, our desire should be for Eternal happiness , which we don't get here in this world. What we get here is temporary happiness , which we get once our desire is fulfilled. Next moment if something goes wrong , we feel sad. In this world we go through this eternal cycle of happiness and sadness and if we listen to the discourses of these gurus, they say that all this is the effect of Maya and hence one should aspire for eternal happiness which is only possible if we escape from this cycle of birth & death.

 

[KRN]

Rebirth is not to be shunned in Hinduism. It is a mistaken notion. Please go through the introduction to the Shankara Bhashya of Bhagavad Gita. Both Pravritti and Nivritti dharma are part and parcel of the Lordʹs design. Pravritti dharma is what the Sapta rshis specialize in͵ at the behest of the lord. Those souls interested in Pravritti dharma can return to this world and do lokasangraham. God Himself desires that this world may continue to exist͵ thats why he keeps incarnating for Dharmasamsthaapanam.

 

[IamGod]

Would you want to live in an illusion again and again? For the ones who are enlightened that the world is an illusion, wouldn't want to come back.

 

[Sabarinathan K]

Why should we derive the status which is not our own

Because, the human life is painful.

Who is Human ? What is Human ?
And being human is not your(our) nature. It is just the form of bonding earth materials with the Aathma(soul). The interface/ intermediate is Mind. The mind is just a wave image/illusion/picture created by making use of brain.
For a born baby the mind is in under developed stage. In a span of 4-5 years time, the brain started to build the mind, by taking inputs both from aathma and body. Over a period of time, it stops taking inputs from aathma. And started believe the only way to learning is from external things(thru 5 senses).

You can never be innovative, if you dont listen to your aathma. U will always reinvent the wheel. You will never make your own path. Because brain is just like a computer. It can`t create something new, which is not saved in its memory or if it is not exist in the materialistic world. It can process the memory or process the outside inputs . Even can make lot permutations and combinations.

But it can never make brand new things/concepts of its own..By taking hands of Aathma only u can make such innovation. One of such best new innovative invention is Einstein`s relative theory. Please have a note that he is more of a theologian than the scientist. His works have a inspiration from bhagavad gita.

Now we can come to the topic. Whatever explained here says how the human life is going on without our own originaliy. We think abt body and mind. Never experienced the existence of the Aathma which is our originality.

Only mind has the feelings of happiness,pain,sadness, sorrow etc. But not the Aathma. When a mind can register the existence of the Aathma, it is the endless happiness registered in human mind. Still either the human mind or human body is not you. you are the sole Aathma.

Cutting down the relation
The reason for cutting down the relation/bonding with earth material is "why should the aathma get lost into the darkness of ignorance and struggle to get the lightness again and again". And it is not that much easy to get the lightness in the human mind . And it is not that much easy to brake the bonding with the earth materials.

And the final statement is why should the aathma lose its reality or nature ? by having relations/bonds with the earth materials?

 

[SGanesan]

If we are assured that we will be re-born as a king with all wealth and health, people may agree to be born again. The next birth depends on our "sins" and "good deeds". We request God not to give another birth since we do not know how much sins or bad deeds we have done without our knowledge or willingly.

 

[renuka]

Why is it we Hindus do not want to learn to live happily but everyone waits for death dreaming of immortality?

The art of living is never taught,
The art of dying is the most sought,
Why live if death is all we seek?
A simple truth yet no answers to preach!

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Renu,

Simple living is not enough for many in this world! The more the wants, the more the unhappiness, when wants remain wants for ever! :Cry:

There is a saying in Tamil: azhutha piLLai pAl kudikkum! May be, that is why most of the composers lament more than essential and

request the Almighty to give them MOkshA!

 

[auh]

Would you want to live in an illusion again and again? For the ones who are enlightened that the world is an illusion, wouldn't want to come back.

Leaving aside the fact that the point about the world being an illusion is itself an subjective view, what is wrong in living in an illusion?

 

[renuka]

Leaving aside the fact that the point about the world being an illusion is itself an subjective view, what is wrong in living in an illusion?

Exactly!

When God Himself can exist without His Maya..so why cant we too blissfully enjoy living an illusion.

The day God decides to give up playing around with His Maya we can then consider living sans illusion..till then lets enjoy in illusion!LOL

 

[s5surya]

As per siva puranam it is "pullaki poondaki" only. In that case, we need not ask. Depending upon the karma we had done in this manushya janmam, we will get to that stage as it is already written in our Brahma Lipi. Nothing is asked for giving. We had got birth by asking already for next birth till we touch and mingle in the lotus feet of that Almighty. namaskarams

 

[murali74]

People who carried the live life in a good way by helping others and applied them to God without harming others will go to UPPER HEAVEN instead of Baadala logam and they will not re birth again and God will absorb thm to stay with him

 

[N.R.Ranganathan]

Sirs,

There are two point of view here One is bakthi. Hymns like " meendum manitha piravi venduvathe immaanilaththe "," puzhuvai pirakkum punniya " etc denote bakthi.

The other is Advaithic point of view. In vaithathya prakarana of Manduka Karika, it is said " There is no birth, no death, no sadhak, no sadhana, no moksha etc ". This is paramartha stand point of view.