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Yet another failed marriage

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Raju sir,
I did not want to interfere when two giant tuskers are fighting.
elephant fighting.webp

Nor everyone is as smart as you. There are leaders and there are followers, we see it everyday, God-men and their chamchas, Movie stars and their groupies, politicians and their henchmen. Similarly here in this site some are blind followers. So you can not defend, saying that they expressing support after reading and understanding a post. There are some who just see the poster and "like" it. So a Jalara does apply to them. Nobody called you a jalara, and we know you are not one.
 
Dear Sangom Sir,

I refer to your post #269 again:



I strongly object to your use of the words mutual, jalra etc., If a member expresses his/her support for a certain view expressed by another member of the forum he/she does it after using his/her skills of judgment and after applying his/her mental faculties to the subject. It is a misuse of the freedom given by the forum and it is also an objectionable outburst to call any one a jalra just because he/she expresses a view which is not agreeable to you. I have respect for you for the views you express here and the way you present them. But that does not include this outburst. I am sad I have to write this down here. I would have expressed my disagreement with you in my earlier post itself but I did not do that because when I did the same once earlier in the case of another member, I found to my dismay that my objection disappeared along with the original offending post of the other member. I did not want want my words in my earlier post to become such a victim of wholesale vanishing act.

Cheers.

Dear Shri Suraju,

I was not intending any disrespect or humiliation to either you or any other member in particular. But, as Shri Prasad has very well brought out in his post # 276, it is evident for any ordinary reader of this forum that you have such command of language and the cutting edge way of putting your views across and this has definitely made you very prominent among a certain group of members who share much the same views as you have on various topics which come up for expression. In fact I had recorded a liking for one of your posts recently though my views were very different, simply because of the succinct style of your writing.

As to the concept of "Jalra" and its existence in this Forum, we have our respected (Ex-) Super Moderator, Shri KRS himself who gave this cliche to us. So, let us not wrangle about that phrase, or whether people give their "thumbs up", "well said" and more open approvals to someone's post/s only after reading the entire post etc.

As to your previous post, I still feel that if at all ART can be faulted for any error or sleazy and mediocre claims of Thathachary, it may be that he should not have tried to find the scenario of the Sanskrit words vivāha, udvāha (both referring to marriage, the latter meaning lift up and carry away) from the ancient Tamil practices. But taking exception to the description of ART on the basis that it justifies "rape" is as much of a confusion because, then, we are trying to foist the modern definition of 'rape' on to the social conditions prevailing in Iraiyanar's or Nakkeeran (the original, not Gopalan)'s times. I am not knowledgeable about ancient Tamil literature, but I doubt whether there is any evidence to the effect that a man lifting and carrying away a girl and having sex with her, unknown to the others, was considered as rape, whether females in ancient Tamil land had as much rights in regard to rape, dowry harassment, and so on. In case there are, then your contention is justified. Even today, or may be ten or twenty years ago, wives were tied to the yoke for ploughing farmlands in some states like Bihar, and so I am skeptical whether the Tamil land had given any more importance to women. In any case, in orthodox hinduism woman was legally a chattel of the man, and nothing more, till perhaps a century ago.

I will, therefore, request you to look up the ancient Tamil (Cangam) literature and find out the concept of "rape" in those days. Let us not hasten to pronounce judgment.

Your second point is about one man having sex with a number of truly virgin females and thus earning the right to be the husband of all those girls. I feel ART did not touch upon this and so we should not find fault with him unless we have some evidence to the contrary. We should find out whether polygamy was there among ancient Tamils or whether a man earning the husband-hood of many women had to surrender all the rest except one, to his king, because kings, I think, had many women (might not have been called wives) and the prowess of a king demanded as large a harem as possible, (even for Dasaratha, in the north).

Last, but not least, I very much appreciate and laud the measured manner in which you have put across your views on Shri Kunjuppu's post as also against some of my remarks.


 
hi

I was trying to find out what it was that the Late ART had said which has offended some of the Asthana Brahmanas of this Forum and gladdened their mutual "jalra" group members”.

i dont think any asthana bhrahmanas in this forum.....all are time passers...nobody awarded the title socalled AASTHANA BRAHMANA here....

abt jalara discussed very well...somebody likes somebody....does not mean JALRA... if somebody supported the truth....the truth

is liked ..not the person....here in this forum ..nobody knows physically....so there is no physical JALRA HERE...may be only

the subject jalras here....
 
Why highlight a poem from another era and interpret the verses to describe sex with a 5 year old? Judging by any standards , not just by today's standards, it tells me that there were dirty old men with thoughts of a pedophile all through history. Or perhaps the poem has nothing to do with acts of sex or rape .. in which case what could one conclude?
 
It is high time marriage be conducted after understanding well between two partners, that is boy & girl. The marriage in Hindu communities take place with primary importance for money, riches, job, status etc, but not about the character of the boy or girl.
 
It is high time marriage be conducted after understanding well between two partners, that is boy & girl. The marriage in Hindu communities take place with primary importance for money, riches, job, status etc, but not about the character of the boy or girl.

Well said! How about authorizing a live-together period before marriage then? Try before you buy! :)
 
Well said! How about authorizing a live-together period before marriage then? ......
The son of one of the cousins of Ram who is born and brought up in the U S of A selected a girl from Delhi through a famous

matrimonial site. The chatting went on very well for a few months. Then the 'boy' came down to Delhi to see the 'girl' and

requested her to stay with him in hotel for one week before deciding anything! You can guess what would have happened.
Yes!! The 'boy' took the next flight to go back home! :plane:
 
These bloddy hell Indian parents dont deserve the word "parent" for themm.They are just butchers..they take good care of their daughters and then sell them to a boy and his family to do whatever they want to do..and they think they have done a noble work..their repo means everything to them..if their daughter comes back home then they feel humiliated..these people dont know what love is..they only see NRI tag and they get boasted up by public that they have married their daughter to such a well established family..they sent her alone to everywhere and guys even beat brutally their wife..this girl should file a case and ask refund of every penny from their marriage..they dont need sympathy..
 
The son of one of the cousins of Ram who is born and brought up in the U S of A selected a girl from Delhi through a famous

matrimonial site. The chatting went on very well for a few months. Then the 'boy' came down to Delhi to see the 'girl' and

requested her to stay with him in hotel for one week before deciding anything! You can guess what would have happened.
Yes!! The 'boy' took the next flight to go back home! :plane:
Actually in this instance she is the one who tried before buying and rejected :-)

The modernized societies around the world has learnt to be afraid of marriage. With people living longer the prospect of staying married for 70 years or so is a daunting proposition to many these days ..
 
The son of one of the cousins of Ram who is born and brought up in the U S of A selected a girl from Delhi through a famous

matrimonial site. The chatting went on very well for a few months. Then the 'boy' came down to Delhi to see the 'girl' and

requested her to stay with him in hotel for one week before deciding anything! You can guess what would have happened.
Yes!! The 'boy' took the next flight to go back home! :plane:

Dear RR ji,

Many people these days actually do not quite like the idea of an arranged marriage and try to make it look like a love marriage.
So I guess the USA groom in this case was trying to do that.

I remember when I got married many people were asking me "how come you opted for an arranged marriage and don't tell me you could not find anyone to fall in love with?"

So in order to avoid such questions many people out here who are opting for an arranged marriage try to drag the so call make believe dating period say for some 6 months and then make their decisions.

Actually deep down inside they know they will marry each other or in other words dying to marry each other but just act as if they are taking their time to decide and then say "well it was not really an arranged marriage..no doubt our parents suggested the alliance but we dated, got to know each other and then finally decided to tie the knot..we were not right away making decisions cos we are modern and not old fashioned..blah blah blah"

You see people just want to please the crowd and be in and say they are modern..they don't really believe in arranged marriages etc.

Back to the questions people asked me "how come you opted for an arranged marriage and don't tell me you could not find anyone to fall in love with?"

I remember once a fellow senior doc was bugging me non stop asking me this question.

She had a love marriage and she said to me "I dated Dr so and so for 7 years since college and only then decided to marry him..how could you just marry a person you do not know at all"

I told her for me if I like something I do not take long to make a decision..just like when we go shopping we buy what catches our eye..so same way here..I liked what I saw and I married him..if I did not like him then may be I would have taken 7 years to decide.

She never asked me that question again.
 
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Actually in this instance she is the one who tried before buying and rejected :-) ......... ..
Dear Sir,

Sorry, I was ambiguous ... (as usual!?)

As soon as the girl heard the idea of the boy, she rejected him out-right! She is brought up in India, Sir. :)
 
I knew a TB friend(Malaysian TB) whose sister married a TB from USA.

He(the guy from USA) used to beat her up and no reason was given.

Ok the reasons I am going to state are kind of medical but as mature adults I think we can understand the gravity of the situation.

The marriage was failing and no one knew the reason and then one fine day the girl called her brother who is a doctor here and told him that after 2 years of marriage they were still not able to consummate the marriage.

Then the brother took her to a doctor who conducted a medical examination on the girl and it was a case imperforate hymen which was hindering the sexual intercourse and the girl underwent a minor surgery and then marriage was consummated.

Now the couple are living happily.

So I hope all this aspects are also taken into account in this case if there is any sexual related problem for both the girl and the guy.

Sexual orientation of the guy also need to be considered cos if he is a closet gay then surely a marriage will not last.

Also need to find out if the girl actually liked someone else before and is unable to connect emotionally with her husband..like the movie Mouna Ragam.

This couple need separate counselling so that both can tell their version of the story.
If counselling is done together chances are both might hide some important points and facts.

I agree with this fact that the husband and wife should be emotionally attached..they should have forgotten the previous affairs and should emotionally enter up their new life's and if they come across even little problems then they should consult doctors or marriage consultants, whatever may be the case..
 
EX-WIFE (divorced wife) AND WIFE ARE THE SAME, Someone said recently!! This is the funniest statement i thought.

psychologically it can cancel the publics mind. In the view of the society, THE MAN IS GOD, He accepts everything, even his DESSERTED WIFE.

For an individual, if the EX-WIFE who has DESSERTED comes back, then it is not correct IDEALLY. At a particular time, she desserts and the situation changes she comes back. this is what it means. No wife desserts thinking that she can comeback after 10 yrs if he becomes rich for EXAMPLE.



Of-course practical situations may vary in INFINITE ways from HIM enjoying 2 wives physically, to attending other commitments like EX-WIFES children etc.


PS: SOME OF THE WORDS USED ARE LEGAL TERMS
 
EX-WIFE (divorced wife) AND WIFE ARE THE SAME, Someone said recently!! This is the funniest statement i thought.

psychologically it can cancel the publics mind. In the view of the society, THE MAN IS GOD, He accepts everything, even his DESSERTED WIFE.

For an individual, if the EX-WIFE who has DESSERTED comes back, then it is not correct IDEALLY. At a particular time, she desserts and the situation changes she comes back. this is what it means. No wife desserts thinking that she can comeback after 10 yrs if he becomes rich for EXAMPLE.



Of-course practical situations may vary in INFINITE ways from HIM enjoying 2 wives physically, to attending other commitments like EX-WIFES children etc.


PS: SOME OF THE WORDS USED ARE LEGAL TERMS


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I Singe The Body Electric In a house of slamming doors and broken dreams, there are no kisses. Only the confidence of silent curtains.
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In that strange coastal town-city where it rains every morning, I partake of pain as if it is prayer. Married to a violent man who treats me with nothing but distrust and suspicion, my skin has seen enough hurt to tell its own story.
In the early days, his words win me back: I don’t have anything if I don’t have you. In this honeymoon period, every quarrel follows a predictable pattern: we make up, we make love, we move on. It becomes a bargain, a barter system. For the sake of survival, I surrender my space.

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Two months into the marriage, he cajoles me into parting with my passwords. Soon he answers my e-mails with the same liberty with which he used to select my clothes. Why do you need my password, I ask. You have mine, he says. But I did not ask you for it, I say. You don’t love me enough, he says. Possess me so that I can possess you for possessing me: the thoughts of a possessed, possessive man who has made possession into his single obsession. There can be no secrets when love has become a cruel slave-era overseer. He proposes the idea of a common
e-mail address one week, it is enforced the next. He makes personal boundaries disappear. I am isolated from all my friends and family. As an act of purification, 25,000 e-mail messages are erased on New Year’s Eve. I become the woman with no history.
Soon, in my loveless marriage, sex begins to replicate the model of a market economy: he demands, I supply. Never mind that my response does not matter, never mind that I bleed every single time, never mind that he derives his pleasure from my pain. With a scattered heart and in no mood for seduction, the woman in me carries on a conversation with the ceiling, she confides in the curtains. Faced with so much damage, she seeks pleasure in the flaming forces of nature: harsh sunlight, sudden showers. Secretly, she refuses to be tamed.The first time he hits me, I remember I hit him back. Retaliation can work between well-matched rivals, but experience teaches me that a woman who weighs less than a hundred pounds should think of other options. It also teaches me other things. I learn that anything can become an instrument of punishment: twisted computer power-cords, leather belts, his bare hands that I once held with all the love in the world. His words sharpen his strikes. If I deliver a quick blow, your brains will spill out, he says. His every slap shatters me. Once, when he strangulates me, I imbibe the silence of a choked throat.
And when I tell him that I want to walk out of the marriage, he wishes me success in a career as a prostitute, asks me to specialise in fellating, advices me to use condoms. I shrink and shrivel and shout back and shed a steady stream of tears. He smiles at his success. He wants me to feel like a fallen woman. He always inhabits the moral high ground and resorts to extreme generalisations: literary festivals are brothels, women writers are whores, my poetry is pornography. His communist credentials crumble. He faults me for being a feminist. I am treated with the hatred that should be reserved for class enemies.

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As a bored housewife, I colour-code the domestic violence: fresh red welts on my skin, the black hue of blood clots, the fading violet of healed bruises. It appears that there is no escape from this unending cycle of abuse, remorse-filled apology and more abuse. One day, when I am whipped with a belt and cannot take it anymore, I threaten him with police action. He retorts that no man in uniform will respect me after reading a line of my verse. He challenges me to go to anyone anywhere. I have no friends in that small world—only his colleagues who think the world of him and his students who worship the earth on which he walks. I do not know whom to trust, even our neighbours could hand me back to him. In the middle of the night, I want to rush to a nearby convent, seek shelter. Would I be understood? Would it work out? How far can I run away in a city that does not speak my tongue, a city where young women in bars are beaten up?I tell him that I cannot live with him any longer. I tell him that I have lost count of the last chances I have given him.
The next morning I wake up and see that he has singed his flesh with a red-hot spoon. A twisted mind and its twisted love. He is willing to explain himself: I inflict this punishment on myself because I realise my guilt. I did this because I love you. In other words: you made me hurt you, you made me hurt myself. The subtext: please take the blame, please take the beatings too. I am held hostage emotionally. I crave for a freedom that will just let me be me, I flounder to find the words to help me speak my story. I live in a house of slamming doors and broken dreams. I am no longer myself, I am convinced that I am starring in somebody’s tragic film. I look forward to dying, I think death will put an end to this.
As fear seeps into my body, sex becomes submission, and in this role-play of being a wife, I remember nothing except the relief of being let go, being let off after being used up. In this marriage of martyrdom, kisses disappear.
We sleep in separate rooms. Every night, my heart sings a sad song. I long for tenderness. I circle around my sorrow as if it were a village goddess, I feed it my bruised flesh. Come and get me,
I cry. No one hears me, it is just me screaming in my head. I manage to pull myself together because I have vowed never to break.
I grow distant, we grow apart.
I later uncover his double life: he has been previously married, a fact concealed even by his own family members. He has not yet divorced his first wife. When I confront him, he attempts to explain everything scientifically and then comes right back at me. There is more name-calling, hair-pulling, badmouthing, blackmailing. He begins to beat me. He brands me a bitch. I will skin you alive, he says, and then call your father to come and get you. I am numb, too traumatised to react. That night, I am thrown out, like trash. I leave home with a handbag and a bad-girl tag. I plead with the paramilitary personnel at the airport to let me sleep there, they ask me a thousand questions but allow me to stay. One of them buys me dinner. I fly back to Chennai the next morning. I have no words to tell my parents. They ask no questions. My mother hugs me with the air of a woman who will never let me go. My sister is angry why I ever left her.
Weeks later, I consult lawyers. They tell me that my marriage is not valid, that seeking a divorce is a pointless exercise. As an act of mercy, even the law has set me free. When I press for his punishment, the police speak of jurisdictional issues. You lived elsewhere, they say. Lady justice does not serve displaced women.
It is more than a month since I moved back to my parents’ place. I talk to my well-wishers. I wear my sister’s clothes. I weep, alone, at night. I look back at those four months of my life and realise that what I had lived through was not “my life” at all, but something that someone else had charted for me. Wedded to a wife-beater, I never believed that I would live to tell my tale. I console myself that now I have first-hand experience of brutality: a story of struggle and survival that I can share on unfair days. Such empty consolations soothe violated bodies. I join a lucky league of battered women who find comfort in the safe zone of family, solace in the warmth of friends and flirtatious strangers who nurse my wounds with words. Can I overcome this nightmare of a marriage? I don’t have straight answers. I have learnt my lessons. I know that I am single and safe now. With sad-woman eyes and soulful smiles, I strive to find the courage to face this world. Perhaps, along the way, poetry will help me leave the pain behind.
 
1. CEREMONY IS A STRESS, U DONT WANT EVEN 100 BIG FAT ELDERS STARING AT U WHILE U R IN
2. PHYSICAL BEAUTY IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN A MORE RELAXED ATMOSPHERE not just one week hotel/one day ponnu pakkarthu/three months live in DEPENDING on how many inputs u get from others/OTHER PHOTOS regarding physical beauty.
3. MIND SHOULD MATCH TO SOME EXTENT
4. LAW NEEDS TO BE TRANSPARENT and more importantly in SIMPLE WORDS.

for example: a JUDGE cannot say "More well read u r more Immature u become" as a concluding remark in a doctor divorce case.

EVERY OLD LADY IS A YOUNG BABE. atleast in the mind. Maturity depends on various other things.

EVERY OLD MAN WANTS TO DO BUSINESS IN HIS 90'S

or an OPPOSITE SIDE LAWYER directly coaxing the partner to "give the valuables to the court by using words which a NON-LAWYER do not understand".

5. REGISTRATION of MARRIAGE is a must for it to be considered valid. although individual cases may vary depending on the culture and nature of problems encountered by the partners.
 
Mr. Sandhyav,
Do you know that there is a provision to edit your post? Secondly Mr. Kunjuppu had given a link to the story.
Welcome to the site.
 
Mr. Sandhyav,
Do you know that there is a provision to edit your post? Secondly Mr. Kunjuppu had given a link to the story.
Welcome to the site.

Prasad Sir if you would kindly excuse the pedant in me for saying this: Spotting Hindu female names is not one of your fortes is it :D. A little bird just told me SandhyaJi is not a Mr :).
 
Prasad Sir if you would kindly excuse the pedant in me for saying this: Spotting Hindu female names is not one of your fortes is it :D. A little bird just told me SandhyaJi is not a Mr :).

May be I should stop addressing the poster? LOL
 
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