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Organising the community

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We had two threads discussing the subject of how to retain the community in tact as it is under attack now. We had distractions while discussing the topic. There were people who derailed the discussions with questions like who is a brahmin, what is brahminhood that we have to preserve, Shall we not go back to Kudumi, pancha kachcham, pundrams etc., shall we not go back to the agraharams, shall we not give up English education and take up vedas as the full time occupation, and are there not guna brahmanas and jAti brahmanas etc.,

I believe all these have been discussed enough. Let us take these as the base from which we will move further:

1. Brahmins are birth based brahmins for our discussions as they are the only identifiable group.

2. There is no use going back in time taking kudumi, pancha kachcham etc., as these are just in the periphery of our identity. So we need not undo all that change that we have adopted with time so far.

So accepting these we will try to move forward. If any one brings these again it will be treated as the mischief of a troll and dealt with accordingly.

I have these following suggestions:

These are my ideas briefly:

1. Brahmin community needs organization. It needs preservation. It needs education. There is a need for a common wealth to be created exclusively for the Brahmin community. Now let me expand.

a) We need to organize and that is the urgent need.

b) We have problems. Brahmins are spread all over the country. They are highly individualistic. Each family struggles and fights its own battles of life and shines. If there is cooperation and a unified structure, their battles of life can be fought that much better and with better results. How do we organize? We have many Asthika samajams, bhajan mandalis, sabhas, Vedartha sthapana sabhas, vedadhyayana satkalakshepa sabhas, brahmana samooha matoms etc., These are all organizations at different areas/towns etc., They are localized organisations which have limited scope for social work. They organize bhajans, let out their auditoria on rental, arrange Avani avitta yajnopaveetha dharana mela etc., Their real help to the community in its struggles for survival is minimum as these are largely attending to the spiritual and cultural needs of Brahmins. And these are also divided on the lines of sampradhayas like vaishnavite, smarthas, madhvas etc.,

b) My suggestion would be this:

1. collect info (name, age, address, qualifications, employment with address, members in the family children in the marriable age etc., and details about each individual, gothram, sampradhayam, nativity etc., This data can be organized with the aim to create a data base of all Brahmins living in the country which can be accessed by each card holding Brahmin who will be given a smart card with which he can access data in the data base. The cards with a unique ID can be issued to each Brahmin male and female once they reach the age of 18.

2. All elders can be encouraged to meet in which they would jointly decide to entrust the assets of organizations in their control to the Brahmin Panchayat thus formed. The Brahmin panchayat can be a democratic organization which will elect its council members in a transparent election and these members can elect a governing body. Every childless couple can be encouraged to bequeath their wealth to this Panchayat. And every card holder will have to contribute a small membership fee every year to the panchayat.

3. The panchayat members will swear to preserve the Brahmin caste, its traditions and culture so that the community continue to serve humanity by its high quality contributions.

4. The panchayat can organize classes for the girls and boys who are to marry. The youngsters should be encouraged to attend a class in which they will be given an over view of the great responsibility they are to take up. The panchayat can organize classes which will be addressed by Doctors, Psychologists etc., who will help the youngmen and women learn about things which they always wanted to learn but hesitated to ask for. The classes will also include a subject about the uniqueness of Brahmin caste and its culture and traditions and the need to preserve them by marrying strictly within the community.

5. The Panchayat can build large old age homes for senior citizens who are in need of such homes.

6. The panchayat can build and own colleges and universities as teaching is an area where Brahmins can really shine and do a better job.

7. The panchayat can build large speciality hospitals in course of time and manage them for the welfare of the society.

8. The data base can be used for the networking purpose and emergency help also as I mentioned in my earlier post.

9. A network of mentors can be organized. Mentors will do the mentoring of the mentees in education, career, finance, finding a match by supervised/ enabled dating, marriage, problem solving, creative arts like music etc., counselling when problems are faced and many other things.

And many more activities can be added as time goes.

A beginning can be made for building the data base.

Let us discuss these.
 
Dear Sri Vaagmi,

I would like to remember Henry Ford's quote which is applicable for our TB group too!

Coming together is a beginning;

Keeping together is progress;

Working together is success.

Let us imbibe this & move forward..

We need to take the first step & proceed!

God will be with us!!
 
Success is possible only with uniform code. Even some political parties have been advocating uniform civil code.

While Bs from other areas can be brought together without much difficulty, it requires introspection whether it is possible among South Indian Bs. Divisions are very visible. Suppose an Iyer girl marries an Iyengar, how will it be handled?

Bs from various occupations and denominations should sit together and evolve a common code and strategy to fight and survive. Otherwise, once again we will have to go to square one.
 
Success is possible only with uniform code. Even some political parties have been advocating uniform civil code.

While Bs from other areas can be brought together without much difficulty, it requires introspection whether it is possible among South Indian Bs. Divisions are very visible. Suppose an Iyer girl marries an Iyengar, how will it be handled?

Bs from various occupations and denominations should sit together and evolve a common code and strategy to fight and survive. Otherwise, once again we will have to go to square one.

Unity in diversity is the key...Why should there be common tradition..It will vary region to region..It will vary sect to sect...It will vary subsect to subsect...Those are cultural aspects...If we try to have commonality no two TB's will think alike...We need to bring about social & economic cohesion to realize the aspirations!...That is the pain area! The common TB's psyche is hurt! So bringing about unity on the latter is easier!
 
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Unity in diversity is the key...Why should there be common tradition..It will vary region to region..It will vary sect to sect...It will vary subsect to subsect...Those are cultural aspects...If we try to have commonality no two TB's will think alike...We need to bring about social & economic cohesion to realize the aspirations!...That is the pain area! The common TB's psyche is hurt! So bringing about unity on the latter is easier!

This is the problem with us. In the name of diversity, we have been quarreling and unity becomes a distant dream. If Bs are majority, we can have as many divisions as possible. But, when Bs are not in large in number, the number is coming down drastically, survival becomes a question, struggle for everything right from education, employment to marriage, lot of sacrifices are essential. If no two Bs think alike, what is the purpose of unity?

Take the case of Iyers: those who have strong following of Sringeri Mutt always have a doubt about Iyers following other Mutt. How will you solve this problem?

People who have real interest in the welfare of the community should come forward and do something.
 
This is the problem with us. In the name of diversity, we have been quarreling and unity becomes a distant dream. If Bs are majority, we can have as many divisions as possible. But, when Bs are not in large in number, the number is coming down drastically, survival becomes a question, struggle for everything right from education, employment to marriage, lot of sacrifices are essential. If no two Bs think alike, what is the purpose of unity?

Take the case of Iyers: those who have strong following of Sringeri Mutt always have a doubt about Iyers following other Mutt. How will you solve this problem?

People who have real interest in the welfare of the community should come forward and do something.

I do not think that following a Mutt will lead us to a sectarian divide! The aim is not in unifying worship but in taking care of the the basic necessities to advance in life! It will be a lougeegam affair!!
 
Lougeegam affair is equally important. Some key elements are essential to bring people together. Religious activity is one such key element. To avoid division, as a first step, both Mutts may be brought under one roof and the head may be selected on a rotation basis from the four Southern States.

Bs cannot afford divisions in shastras, sambradays, religious heads etc.
 
ref: post no. 5 to 8
The divisions mentioned on above posts are quite natural and common to most of the communities in one way or the other. The Socio-economic backgrounds also pose some sort of threats to the unity. Despite all that I think there still are so many reasons for which the unity is possible. In case we adopt a common minimum program considering only on those aspects, I think we would be able to find some workable platform and our goal should be to find out that.

One of the major problem we may face is active participation. For eg. out of the 6931 members registered in this forum till now, only a handful of us are actively participating (may be less than 5%) in discussions. We cannot bring about a revolution with this kind of mentality. All suggestions should come forward whether it is pro or against. Challenges makes an organization to grow up that's what I believe.
 
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Even before anything can take off there are already differences!

I am sure any type of Brahmin can set aside their differences and find a common ground for betterment of society.

Ritualistic differences or differences in school of thoughts or subcaste etc should not come in the picture.

May be the emphasis should first starts off with improving the Economic status.

Only when a human is well provided he/she can think of finer aspects of life like marriage,rituals etc.

A hungry man does not need religious sermon he needs bread.

Likewise there are so many successful TBs abroad..anyone thought of running a financial institution to aid poor/middle class Brahmins?

Unless economic situations are first addressed there is not going to be much change and it will be all talk and no one would bell the cat and that cat would jump over the moon!LOL
 
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For any one to own and be passionate about participating with vigour in a group activity there should be tangible benefits accruing to him. Spiritual and religious activities do not offer tangible benefits. So I tend to agree with Renukaji. Let us aim for the low hanging fruits first. Can we look at these first:

1. Let us introduce more members of our community to this forum because this forum offers the base in widely spreading info and in entering the bulletin boards in each TB home. Communication is vital and quick communication has its own advantages.

2. Let us encourage youngsters to enter this forum. We can even suggest to the admin to start a separate website in course of time for TB youngsters. Facebook caught on this idea and we know where it stands today. It's potential for mutual benefit to members is immense. Once this increase in activity in the forum is achieved we can even go for releasing brief ads. asking TB men and women to join the group and benefit from it. The idea is to leave the elders' forum to be a chat forum in which people can happily go on fighting (within decent limits) about local politics and even advaitam Vs visishtadvaitam Vs dwaitam age old debates.

3. Young men and women can be offered free mentorship on line as well as in person once the confidence level improves. A mentor can lead a mentee through the most eventful period of the mentee's student/professional/adult life. I have mentored 5 youngsters and they are happy citizens today. They have come up in life the hardest way and are married and settled down-- two of them abroad. I took them under my care when they were in a difficult situation in their life. As I have done that I understand the practical use of this method in taking care of youngsters when they need guidance and handholding most. This forum can become some sort of a central exchange for TB mentorship initiatives. We can call for applicants who are ready to mentor. We can carefully analyse their background, their talents/expertise/knowledge, their attitudes and what they can bring to the table and then take them in as mentors available for pairing. Then they can be included in the list in this forum so that mentees can access them. This forum will have to meet on ly one requirement. They will have to remain strictly neutral and maintain utmost secrecy and preserve the privacy of all info that they come in possession.

4. Side by side a kind of central registry of the Brahmins Panchayat can be slowly built up which will the data base of all TBs. Then a card can be issued to every eligible member.

I do not want to hog the space and attention here and so stop here for the present. I look forward to constructive contribution from the other members with ideas.
 
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Originally Posted by biswa

Will there be honorary members of the Panchayat (e.g Renukaji) or will such people be barred?

The panchayat will decide.



Boyz!

Both of you have forgotten ONE very important fact....that is:




Sreyan svadharmo vigunah paradharmat svanusthitat;
Svadharme nidhanam sreyah paradharmo bhayavahah — (Chapter 3. Verse 35)

Meaning: It is better to follow one’s own dharma, though imperfect, than the dharma of someone else, even though well-performed. Better is death in one’s own dharma; another person’s dharma is fraught with fear.



So there is no need for me to be in any Panchayat and no need for the Panchayat to decide too cos its not my Dharma.
 
My answers in BLUE.

1. Let us introduce more members of our community to this forum because this forum offers the base in widely spreading info and in entering the bulletin boards in each TB home. Communication is vital and quick communication has its own advantages.


Let it have a subscribing system where daily quotes on motivation,practicality,religion etc are sent automatically to the inbox of the subscriber.I subscribe to MyGov(Modi) and Hindu Janajagruti Samaj and I get emails on their activity.

2. Let us encourage youngsters to enter this forum. We can even suggest to the admin to start a separate website in course of time for TB youngsters. Facebook caught on this idea and we know where it stands today. It's potential for mutual benefit to members is immense. Once this increase in activity in the forum is achieved we can even go for releasing brief ads. asking TB men and women to join the group and benefit from it. The idea is to leave the elders' forum to be a chat forum in which people can happily go on fighting (within decent limits) about local politics and even advaitam Vs visishtadvaitam Vs dwaitam age old debates.

Fair enough

3. Young men and women can be offered free mentorship on line as well as in person once the confidence level improves. A mentor can lead a mentee through the most eventful period of the mentee's student/professional/adult life. I have mentored 5 youngsters and they are happy citizens today. They have come up in life the hardest way and are married and settled down-- two of them abroad. I took them under my care when they were in a difficult situation in their life. As I have done that I understand the practical use of this method in taking care of youngsters when they need guidance and handholding most. This forum can become some sort of a central exchange for TB mentorship initiatives. We can call for applicants who are ready to mentor. We can carefully analyse their background, their talents/expertise/knowledge, their attitudes and what they can bring to the table and then take them in as mentors available for pairing. Then they can be included in the list in this forum so that mentees can access them. This forum will have to meet on ly one requirement. They will have to remain strictly neutral and maintain utmost secrecy and preserve the privacy of all info that they come in possession.

Sravna would be a good mentor but he need not overdose it with spiritual powers..but over all Sravna represents the ideal Brahmin in forum.
He is progressive,universal in application,open to modern concepts and has the benefit of entire mankind in his agenda yet he does not reject the importance of his heritage.

I am sure other members too are capable but one should understand that youths are looking for practicality in culture and not superstition.
So carbon dated ideas from fossilized minds should not influence youths too strongly.

4. Side by side a kind of central registry of the Brahmins Panchayat can be slowly built up which will the data base of all TBs. Then a card can be issued to every eligible member.

Elect a Natamai eventually! I mean it..one needs a leader

I do not want to hog the space and attention here and so stop here for the present. I look forward to constructive contribution from the other members with ideas.

Keep hogging...no problems..response to this thread is still slow as expected.
But if a thread about a TB and NB lovvu would go on and on into pages...so Vaagmi ji..you need to add some spice to your thread to attract the masses...Item number posts would attract opinions...spice it up with true life incidents too of people you know without the need to mention names..dramatize it too..think like a politician when we want to gain a following...even for a good cause.
 
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2. Let us encourage youngsters to enter this forum. We can even suggest to the admin to start a separate website in course of time for TB youngsters. Facebook caught on this idea and we know where it stands today. It's potential for mutual benefit to members is immense. Once this increase in activity in the forum is achieved we can even go for releasing brief ads. asking TB men and women to join the group and benefit from it. The idea is to leave the elders' forum to be a chat forum in which people can happily go on fighting (within decent limits) about local politics and even advaitam Vs visishtadvaitam Vs dwaitam age old debates.

This point has come up repeatedly, but for some reason the youngsters do not seem to be returning to this forum in the numbers required.

This is surprising because once the name "Tamil Brahmins" is entered in google search, this forum's name pops up right at # 3 spot, after two wikipedia links.

We need to find out the reasons as to why this forum does not appeal so much to youngsters, inspite of such good content on so many issues.

One probable reason (I am merely guessing) is that some of the articles/posts give an appearance of "posturing" with the same members repeating the same view point over the years.

The second probable reason (again guessing, but this time on a more firmer ground) is that most of the part time seekers are rather selfish. They seek out the information they need, be it a mere slOkam, stOtram, parihAram, matrimonial alliance etc. but once their requirement is fulfilled (either fully or partly) they just stop contributing to the forum and never bother to turn up, just like filling up water from pond in a "kudam" and going away never to return till they require the water the next time.

How to get feedback from the members who only occasionally visit the forum looking for answers to their queries, any ideas, any one?
 
I appreciate Sri Vaagmigi's detailed posts and wish to add that to be a TB one must take effort to study Sanskrit as well as Tamil Properly . No doubt Samskrit Bharati is doing a lot in popularising spoken Sanskrit but I feel not many people take interest in studying Sanskrit as they feel it is very complicated and give it up . We need more people who can teach Sanskrit in a very enjoyable way and once a person gets hooked to Sanskrit then he/ she will really appreciate our ancient texts , our culture . Same for Tamil . We are using english more often for functional purpose and it is OK but if a person knows Tamil properly then he will know the deeper reasons behind why certain places and festivals are named in such a way .For eg we call one of the places in Chennai called TRIPLICANE but if you take its full Tamil word then it will expand to THIRUVALLIKENI . From functional purpose it does not matter whether it is TRIPLICANE OR THIRUVALLIKENI but if you have to pass on the cultural aspects of these names then one must know Tamil to understand the deeper significance behind the name THIRUVALLIKENI . This is one example and the same can be extended to many things .
So in essence what I am trying to say is if you want to preserve the TB Culture and get the next generation also interested in the same then you must invest the time and energy for the current and next generation to learn the language of Tamil and Sanskrit properly so that they get a deeper understanding about their own native culture and practices first .
 
In case you have not seen , this site https://wearetambrahm.wordpress.com/ seems to be actie with a lot of youngsters posting their views. The two site owners may allow cross posting so that more people can participate.

Just peeped this site..It is more to do with culture, food, music, with the issues affecting the community relegated to the background...It is in a make believe world that all is well, but here we are discussing the issues threadbare....Will there be synergy between the 2 sites...May be they complement each other!!
 
shree Praveen, Despite the fact you mention on occasions that the Members may write or appraise me of any matter , I ,for the First time would like to apprise you of something which all members are experiencing on day-t-day basis., in almost All Topics There are a number of Vetrans, grown with Site assume Negative Views for no valid Reason (This needs your study & give room for open/ free/ no diversion to be allowed by You as our Leader ) These members being Veterans must think of disciplining less experienced members like me. It is time Praveen should openly give a CALL to YoUng/ interested in the total / positive progress of all t. brahmins, should be in unison to come out with positive , workable programmes . Others would follow. Or else, the negative,like
undesirable Breaks / paralysing any Good proposal meets its funeral half-way ( For who;s Good?)
I appeal Not only to Mr. Praveen but specificaslly Most Active well- known Veterans to help the Ste? Forum &rejuvenate with your Learned Ideas Chart out intelligently a scheme for all to follow & also contribute their views as well the following veteran names who seem to be broad minded & perhaps fit with Mr praveen ;ou may think of ( 1)Vaagne 2)Ganesh 65 3) Dr. Renuka 4 )Mrs Raji 5) Vgane 6)Yes Mohan 7) TBS * ) 8) Balasuramanian & @/# from your side

sincerely,

Rishikesan ( A.Srinivasan

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Please read the comments too.

Yes...I just finished reading them...Lot of youngsters there...Married Non TB but sharing their misses and pains in TB slang...As I said the 2 sites together can complement each other & can bring in more traffic
 
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Social Media is a very effective tool. It can be used in such a way to bring together all Bs for meaningful discussion and positive action.
 
Organizing our community is not an easy task...I have listed the activities that need to be taken care of when we create the Brahmin panchayat..It is not in any order

1. We need volunteers for this Brahmin Panchayat in various town & cities..Everything cannot happen by online..Personal canvassing is a must...In this internet world personal relationships also matter
2. Frame a vision & mission (mostly done by Sri Vaagmi by his concept note..There are certain points that Sri Sravna mentioned that are very relevant and they need to be included)
3. Create a Question & Answer repository about the Panchayat..We need to respond to all types of questions and remove any room for doubt
4. We need to understand the risks, things that can go wrong & losses..We need to accordingly create a risk mitigation plan
5. All people may not be fully united...There could be divisions too..We need a leader who can unite the groups & create a commonality of approach...Identify the common thread /connection that will reinforce the unity as our community is still divided by sects & subsects
6. Focus on 1 key activity..Restrict to max 3 activities...Beyond that it will be a waste of energy and effort
7. Overall strategy to be developed..The winning moment needs to be defined and work backwards tio achieve that
8. We need financial support for this..Scout for possible donors
9. The work that we will do has to be within the legal framework of the land...We cannot incite violence..Through peace we will achieve the goals...Our core values have to be reiterated
10. We will interact with other Hindu community/caste organization also periodically
 
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