A Tamil Brahmin Dilemma

[Raji Ram]

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In the seventies a four figure salary was a rarity.
And people used to declare with pride that they were getting it.
The price of one banana was just 25 paise in India.......

Dear Vaagmi Sir,

I still remember how Ram's mom was praising him because he got 'that' salary (our wedding was in 1976).

The 'mess expenses' paid to me was Rs. 500 and I used to save some money. I got my account book recently and the savings

in each month was written in rupees and paise!! :lol:

P.S: In fifties, dhakshiNai for Ayush hOmam, which was performed for each child every year, was only Rs. 5 + good lunch!

 

[CHANDRU1849]

I totally agree with T K S Sir! We ask the newly wedded couple, 'Chidambaramaa, Maduraiyaa??'

If one of the couple dominates, the other will grin and bear it and less noise in that sweet home!
If both have equal ego, we can see :fencing: and hear :rant: !!

Chidambaram is slowly vanishing. Madurai only is very active. If Madurai faces problems, it knocks the door of the court.

 

[krish44]

In the seventies a four figure salary was a rarity.
And people used to declare with pride that they were getting it.
The price of one banana was just 25 paise in India.

Today a beginner in the IT industry gets a six figure salary.
And there are many people who get more than that.
Today in India millionaires are dime a dozen.
In my local fruit market a banana costs Rs.5/-.

The local purohit who used to come to my house to help my Dad with his Amavasya Tarpanam etc., used to be paid Rs. 10/- those days for a ten minutes job.

Today inspite of allround prosperity our purohit is paid just a 50/- or 100/- by many a grihasta for a similar task.

We have brutalized these purohits imagining that the cost of living index, by some magic, has stoped its effect on them.

We have no right to make fun of them saying they have a price and that we can buy them. If we say that that will be arrogance.

Poor fellows. these pathetic men have long back forgotten to get angry with the liberties that the grihastas take with discipline.

Many are getting nostalgic about good old times.

Signs of aging I suppose.

Those who look behind and not ahead must be old even if they claim otherwise.

Good purohits ,specially vaishnavite types are doing very well.

It is only the average types who suffer.

There is a premium of 25-30 % for vaishnavite vadhyars as compared with saivite ones.

Grihasthas get irritated when the purohits do not observe time discipline.

Purohits can pick and choose.

It is only the lure of better payments which make them officiate at IC/IR weddings.

Some appear in films also for a price in wedding scenes.

They are as commercial as anyone else.

Most vadhyar prefer turnkey deals in weddings providing for presence of more of their type as necessary and puja materials for the event.

Many collect as much as 35-45 thousands for a wedding.

Thats a killing.

A few weddings and deaths in a year can make them in a few lakhs earnings bracket

 

[Vaagmi]

Many are getting nostalgic about good old times.
Signs of aging I suppose.
Those who look behind and not ahead must be old even if they claim otherwise.
Good purohits ,specially vaishnavite types are doing very well.
It is only the average types who suffer.
There is a premium of 25-30 % for vaishnavite vadhyars as compared with saivite ones.
Grihasthas get irritated when the purohits do not observe time discipline.
Purohits can pick and choose.
It is only the lure of better payments which make them officiate at IC/IR weddings.
Some appear in films also for a price in wedding scenes.
They are as commercial as anyone else.
Most vadhyar prefer turnkey deals in weddings providing for presence of more of their type as necessary and puja materials for the event.
Many collect as much as 35-45 thousands for a wedding.
Thats a killing.
A few weddings and deaths in a year can make them in a few lakhs earnings bracket

Any way, a vadhyar who whizzes past many hurdles on the road on his mobike risking his own ayush to reach the grihasta's destination to perform an ayushhomam deserves more respect than a Government Babu.

The numerous Government Babus who work in one of those offices in well laid out New Delhi actually do nothing in their offices most of the time. I know a relative who used to go to office every day late by at least two hours. Until his retirement two years ago he was never questioned. There was no biometric system to track his presence in the office. And these Babus do nothing other than add their dhobimark initials to the pages of notes that are prepared and put up to higher level babus. And for doing just nothing they get every month a fat salary plus pension when they retire.

A vaidheekan does a job work. If he does work he gets paid. If there is no work he gets just nothing. And there is no pension and no PF for him.

No wonder they extract what they can from stingy and stinking grihastas.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Vaagmi Sir,

I still remember how Ram's mom was praising him because he got 'that' salary (our wedding was in 1976).

The 'mess expenses' paid to me was Rs. 500 and I used to save some money. I got my account book recently and the savings

in each month was written in rupees and paise!! :lol:

P.S: In fifties, dhakshiNai for Ayush hOmam, which was performed for each child every year, was only Rs. 5 + good lunch!

Dear RRji,

Yes there was a time like that. The parents of boys who were getting the four fig. salary used to walk in the clouds.

And to get an idea of the value of money these two funny episodes:

Once as a young boy I went to the kirana shop in my village to buy bananas for my uncle (Periyappa). He had given me a one rupee note and when I returned the balance with the bananas, he gave me a spanking because I had lost a two anna coin on the way back home from the shop.

I had a neighbour in the village who lived opposite my house in the agraharam. We called him Ramiah Mama. Once he went to Tirunelveli for some purchases. He was returning home after his outing in a bus. My village is known for the high velocity winds blowing in the AAdi month. Poor Ramiah Mama was returning home on an AAdi day. He took out a hundred rupee note and before he could give it to the conductor the wind swept away the note from his hands. And he shouted to the Driver to stop the bus. Before the driver heard the shouts(again because of the howling wind)and stopped the bus Ramiah Mama had lost the exact coordinates of the spot ( being a Tamil language enthusiast this may remind you of "மேலாடை வீழ்ந்தது எடு என்றான் அவ்வளவில் நாலாறு காதம் சென்றது......." the நள வெண்பா lines.) . He was very sad and returned home and was inconsolable because a hundred rupees was a big amount in those days. He went to an astrologer to consult him. The astrologer told him the direction in which the currency travelled and with that info (something like நேரே கிழக்கே சென்று தெற்கே திரும்பி ஒரு பர்லாங்க் போய் திரும்பவும் கிழக்கே சென்று ஒரு செடியில் சிக்கி நிற்கிறது sort of info) Mama went to the spot and made a thorough search and came back empty handed. The astrologer then told him that the note has fallen in the hands of a shepherd woman and there is no way Ramiah Mama could get it back. Poor Mama reluctantly wrote of that amount blaming his karma.

The time was like that. It had a simplicity and beauty about it.

 

[Vaagmi]

Many are getting nostalgic about good old times.

Signs of aging I suppose.
Those who look behind and not ahead must be old even if they claim otherwise.
Good purohits ,specially vaishnavite types are doing very well.
It is only the average types who suffer.
There is a premium of 25-30 % for vaishnavite vadhyars as compared with saivite ones.
Grihasthas get irritated when the purohits do not observe time discipline.
Purohits can pick and choose.
It is only the lure of better payments which make them officiate at IC/IR weddings.
Some appear in films also for a price in wedding scenes.
They are as commercial as anyone else.
Most vadhyar prefer turnkey deals in weddings providing for presence of more of their type as necessary and puja materials for the event.
Many collect as much as 35-45 thousands for a wedding.
Thats a killing.
A few weddings and deaths in a year can make them in a few lakhs earnings bracket

Krishji,

It requires just an open mind which looks for beauty and art and the unique funny side of every situation that we live through in the journey called life. Age does not matter. Mind records everything-good and bad. But only those are remembered which had some thing beautiful, artistic or funny about them. I have a good memory. Don't waste time trying to guess my age. I am young. Period.

 

[krish44]

Any way, a vadhyar who whizzes past many hurdles on the road on his mobike risking his own ayush to reach the grihasta's destination to perform an ayushhomam deserves more respect than a Government Babu.

The numerous Government Babus who work in one of those offices in well laid out New Delhi actually do nothing in their offices most of the time. I know a relative who used to go to office every day late by at least two hours. Until his retirement two years ago he was never questioned. There was no biometric system to track his presence in the office. And these Babus do nothing other than add their dhobimark initials to the pages of notes that are prepared and put up to higher level babus. And for doing just nothing they get every month a fat salary plus pension when they retire.

A vaidheekan does a job work. If he does work he gets paid. If there is no work he gets just nothing. And there is no pension and no PF for him.

No wonder they extract what they can from stingy and stinking grihastas.

I can see a sneaking jealousy regarding privileges and pay packet of delhi babus.

There is a lot of wisdom involved in what to initial and what not to initial and send back for changes to make it acceptable to powers that me.

They get paid for that.

If you see these days how many are getting booked by vigilance for writing or agreeing to notes , It is a hazardous job to say the least.

Those who use their discretion too much get hounded later.

Desire of most govt babus is to retire without blemish to their names.

Doing nothing most times is the best thing they can do these days.

Those who please their secretaries or their ministers end up in the garbage can or in courts after retirement .

vadhyars do not have these compulsions.

many govt officers in delhi after retirement have taken to vaitheekam as they find it safe and lucrative. their need for a decent meal and dakshina are taken care off.

One of them ,I utilised for engagement function paying him what I would pay a vadhyar.

Not a bad profession really if one is a brahmin and knows a few mantras.

 

[krish44]

Krishji,

It requires just an open mind which looks for beauty and art and the unique funny side of every situation that we live through in the journey called life. Age does not matter. Mind records everything-good and bad. But only those are remembered which had some thing beautiful, artistic or funny about them. I have a good memory. Don't waste time trying to guess my age. I am young. Period.

OK markandeyaji.

 

[Vaagmi]

I can see a sneaking jealousy regarding privileges and pay packet of delhi babus.

LOL. Good but a wild imagination.

There is a lot of wisdom involved in what to initial and what not to initial and send back for changes to make it acceptable to powers that me.
They get paid for that.

Please read the emphasised line. This is precisely the problem with these Babus. "to make it acceptable to the powers that be" and not to make it right in the service of the nation.

If you see these days how many are getting booked by vigilance for writing or agreeing to notes , It is a hazardous job to say the least.
Those who use their discretion too much get hounded later.
Desire of most govt babus is to retire without blemish to their names.
Doing nothing most times is the best thing they can do these days.
Those who please their secretaries or their ministers end up in the garbage can or in courts after retirement .

The reason is because most of these Babus are also ran cases. a smart babu would know how to strengthen his case with reasons and arguments in the note and make the decision making process transparent. As most of our babus are second rated in their student days, they do a bad job as usual and get caught in the web of politics.

vadhyars do not have these compulsions.
many govt officers in delhi after retirement have taken to vaitheekam as they find it safe and lucrative. their need for a decent meal and dakshina are taken care off.
One of them ,I utilised for engagement function paying him what I would pay a vadhyar.
Not a bad profession really if one is a brahmin and knows a few mantras.

Vadhyars have their conscience to answer to. A professional, good vadhyar will not short shrift you on the mantras without informing you and without your consent.
I hope these babus turned vadhyars do not do a half baked job of the rituals as is their usual habit. They may end up in their next janma as a poor vadhyar. LOL.

 

[asadu]

It is surprising that Krishji does not know who a vadhyar is called. A person who is sent to a gurukula patasala and taught the vedam fully and then he goes to a performing vadhyar and works as intern to learn the customs/traditions/rituals for some more years and also the method of various rituals/pujas and kriyakrams and then only he can function as a vadhyar to any grahast. Also as a vadhyar, he has to accept dakshina along with the mistakes/ill deeds, pavams done by the grahasta to his head accepting the dakshina. No other person can accept dakshina and bad karma of a grahasta except a learned vadhyar, who later has to dilute the bad karma/pavam from his head via some rituals. What we pay to a learned vadhyar once in a life time for all the services he renders throughout his /our life to us when the occasion comes as a big function i.e wedding etc. they are liable to be paid handsome amount.

 

[mkrishna100]

Good purohits ,specially vaishnavite types are doing very well.

It is only the average types who suffer.

This is true for every profession only that during a boom time for a particular profession many average people make a killing and they suffer a lot when the boom is over .Classic case being the IT Profession .So best way to sail through the boom and bust period is to raise one's standard ir-respective of whichever profession one is .

 

[krish44]

Vaagmiji

All this talk of service to the nation is idealistic garbage.

Those in govt are just doing a job and collecting a salary. Nothing more.

Do you think seriously whether politicians in power are serving the nation?

You are in some dream world.

Politicians and civil servants are in close nexus, the latter bring content to political thinking of the politicians.

Many times based on past experience civil servants would stick to status quo and being neutral instead of acting when they feel threatened .

this brings stability to administration

They know politicians are in power for a few years and civil servants have to stay a lifetime.

That dictates their stance.

Those who derive too much advantage thru political masters get hurt .

Those who keep quiet survive longer.

It pays to be an average and not be a smart alec.

 

[krish44]

It is surprising that Krishji does not know who a vadhyar is called. A person who is sent to a gurukula patasala and taught the vedam fully and then he goes to a performing vadhyar and works as intern to learn the customs/traditions/rituals for some more years and also the method of various rituals/pujas and kriyakrams and then only he can function as a vadhyar to any grahast. Also as a vadhyar, he has to accept dakshina along with the mistakes/ill deeds, pavams done by the grahasta to his head accepting the dakshina. No other person can accept dakshina and bad karma of a grahasta except a learned vadhyar, who later has to dilute the bad karma/pavam from his head via some rituals. What we pay to a learned vadhyar once in a life time for all the services he renders throughout his /our life to us when the occasion comes as a big function i.e wedding etc. they are liable to be paid handsome amount.

Where are these vadhyars you are talking about.?

Your idealism comes to the fore even when we discuss vadhyars also.

I am grounded.

I know the type of people I am dealing with.

My level of expectation is average so that I am not disappointed with performance -aspiration gap.that is there everywhere.

That brings me to jugaad concept.

Make do with what is available with all its imperfections and look for jugaad to fix anything so that it is close to the original.

It is a combination of good economy and a reasonably diluted way of practising rituals and religion.

 

[renuka]

OK markandeyaji.

LOL!

Not possible for Vaagmi ji to be a Markandeya....Markendaya is a Shaivite!

Chandrasekharamaashraye Mama Kim Karisthi Vai Yamaha.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

LOL!

Not possible for Vaagmi ji to be a Markandeya....Markendaya is a Shaivite!

Chandrasekharamaashraye Mama Kim Karisthi Vai Yamaha.

Actually, I wanted to mention the first line. You have overtaken. Markendaya was a true devotee.

 

[Vaagmi]

Vaagmiji
All this talk of service to the nation is idealistic garbage.
Those in govt are just doing a job and collecting a salary. Nothing more.
Do you think seriously whether politicians in power are serving the nation?
You are in some dream world.
Politicians and civil servants are in close nexus, the latter bring content to political thinking of the politicians.
Many times based on past experience civil servants would stick to status quo and being neutral instead of acting when they feel threatened .this brings stability to administration
They know politicians are in power for a few years and civil servants have to stay a lifetime.
That dictates their stance.
Those who derive too much advantage thru political masters get hurt .
Those who keep quiet survive longer.
It pays to be an average and not be a smart alec.

I am/was not a Government Babu.

And what a let down this post from a possible ex-Govt Babu!!

Hanumanthappa who gave his life in the icy heights of Siachen for the country must be turning in his grave and many others of his category must be doing the same from their respective graves.

No wonder people call india an anarchy of democracy.

I am a brahmin and I completely disagree with your view.

 

[prasad1]

We align with our birth based categories because of what our mother said. Possibly only she may know the true origins.
Kids adopted by Brahmin family were raised as Brahmins. Similarly kids adopted by shatriya family was raised as Shatriya.
Kunti's sons were raised as Shatriya.

So we have to trust words of somebody else to know our caste. There is no way to prove it.
Yes the defence forces and our National leaders sacrificed their life so that we may be safe, and that goes without saying.
But just because you wrap yourself in tricolor, does not make your opinion as the only opinion that counts.
Everybody is selfish to an extent, and people who claim otherwise are misguided.

 

[krish44]

vaagmiji

I am an engineer .

I am not a civil servant.

All are professionals in their own field. They have edu. qualifications and experience, That they use to get a job and a salary.

To attribute motives and hiding behind high sounding words like patriotism to run down everyone is sheer hypocricy.

Again telling doctors[renuka excuse] that their is a noble profession and they are unpatriotic if they do not treat patients free is also common.This is utterly stupid.

Nor we can tell businessmen not to make much profit and if so do so they are unpatriotic.

You can belong to any caste and be proud of it or hate it.

That does not make you a judge of supreme court to decide someone is unpatriotic or a traitor.lol

For that you should have a law degree and sufficient legal experience which you may not possess.

Brahmin by birth label does not confer any right . Of course laws of the land decide how you are treated.

 

[vgane]

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[TD="width: 117"] No of IC marriages[/TD]
[TD="width: 119"] No of IR marriages[/TD]
[TD="width: 83"] Total IC+IR [/TD]
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14​

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[TD="width: 117"]

10​

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[TD="width: 119"]

3​

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[TD="width: 83"]

13​

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[/TD]
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11​

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1​

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[TD="width: 83"]

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mem5​

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[TD="width: 84"]

12​

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[TD="width: 92"]

12​

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[TD="width: 117"]

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[TD="width: 119"]

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[TD="width: 83"]

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mem7​

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30​

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26​

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mem9​

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[TD="width: 42"]

10​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 84"]

mem10​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 84"]

24​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 92"]

19​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 117"]

3​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 119"]

2​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 83"]

5​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 42"]

11​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 84"]

mem11​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 84"]

8​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 92"]

6​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 117"]

2​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 119"]

0​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 83"]

2​

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[TR]
[TD="width: 42"]

12​

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[TD="width: 84"]

mem12​

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[TD="width: 84"]

14​

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[TD="width: 92"]

12​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 117"]

1​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 119"]

1​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 83"]

2​

[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD="width: 42"]

13​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 84"]

mem13​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 84"]

12​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 92"]

11​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 117"]

1​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 119"]

0​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 83"]

1​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="width: 42"]

14​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 84"]

mem14​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 84"]

21​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 92"]

16​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 117"]

5​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 119"]

0​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 83"]

5​

[/TD]
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[TD="width: 42"] 15
[/TD]
[TD="width: 84"]

mem15​

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[TD="width: 84"]

8​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 92"]

4​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 117"]

0​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 119"]

4​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 83"]

4​

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[TD="width: 42"] 16
[/TD]
[TD="width: 84"] mem16[/TD]
[TD="width: 84"]

5​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 92"]

3​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 117"]

1​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 119"]

1​

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[TD="width: 83"]

2​

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[TD="width: 42"] 17
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15​

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[TD="width: 92"]

9​

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1​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 83"]

6​

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234​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 92"]

174​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 117"]

38​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 119"]

22​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 83"]

60​

[/TD]
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[TD="width: 42"][/TD]
[TD="width: 84"]

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[TD="width: 92"]

74.4%​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 117"]

16.2%​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 119"]

9.4%​

[/TD]
[TD="width: 83"]

25.6%
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B-B*…Means Brahmin to Brahmin marriage. Inter sect (Iyer/Iyengar/Telugu Brahmin/Madhwa/Namboodiri) considered as Brahmin

 

[renuka]

Again telling doctors[renuka excuse] that their is a noble profession and they are unpatriotic if they do not treat patients free is also common.This is utterly stupid.

Actually there is nothing noble about being a doctor.

Its a profession..we see patients..we get paid but one just has to follow ethics for the best for self and the patients.

One can not be all sacrificing and at the same time one can not be too selfish either.

Everything works both ways.

 

[Raji Ram]

When a doctor saves a life he is equated to God! :hail: If not he is cursed too!! :blah:

Our longevity also depends on those who drive the automobiles / ships / planes in which we travel! :lol:

 

[Vaagmi]

vaagmiji

1. I am an engineer . I am not a civil servant.
All are professionals in their own field. They have edu. qualifications and experience, That they use to get a job and a salary.
To attribute motives and hiding behind high sounding words like patriotism to run down everyone is sheer hypocricy.

2. Again telling doctors[renuka excuse] that their is a noble profession and they are unpatriotic if they do not treat patients free is also common.This is utterly stupid.

3. Nor we can tell businessmen not to make much profit and if so do so they are unpatriotic.

4. You can belong to any caste and be proud of it or hate it. That does not make you a judge of supreme court to decide someone is unpatriotic or a traitor.lol For that you should have a law degree and sufficient legal experience which you may not possess.

5. Brahmin by birth label does not confer any right . Of course laws of the land decide how you are treated.

krishji,

I have added numbers for convenience. Now please read my reply:

1. You are not a Government Babu and yet are well aware of how these babus work/ do not work. LOL. About the socalled high sounding words please refer to the my reply under no. 4 below.

2. No one expects Doctors to treat patients without a fee. Period. There is no need to go on a lecturing tour on this.

3. No one claims that businessmen should not make profit either. The least that is demanded is that they should not horde and make commodities/goods scarce artificially and exploit helpless people. Govt. takes care of such a misdemeanour.

4. Your understanding was wide off the mark-as usual. I mentioned my being a brahmin only to stress the fact that my value system does not accept doing half baked jobs, cheating the exchequer, earning a living doing nothing constructive to the society, etc., This includes being a civil servant and receiving salary every month for doing nothing useful to the society. There may be other value systems which have these values in them or may not have these. I know my value system and its origin and I said that. Your attempt to score a point by hanging on to the word brahmin is childish to say the least because your understanding of brahmins has a lot of superior inferior binaries. I have no such prejudices. Period.

5. Please read last sentence of the above para. I do not claim any superiority or special rights being a brahmin. For me "brahmin" is just a label with which I search a vast database of human beings quickly. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

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vadhyars do not have these compulsions.

many govt officers in delhi after retirement have taken to vaitheekam as they find it safe and lucrative. their need for a decent meal and dakshina are taken care off.

One of them ,I utilised for engagement function paying him what I would pay a vadhyar.

Not a bad profession really if one is a brahmin and knows a few mantras.

May be a good idea for a retired babu But a disadvantage for young Babus if they are not married - Our Sastrigal in Banglore had gone to Palakkad. leaving huge crowd of clients to be taken over by his sons! His elder son was aready in the profession assisting him and has stepped into his father shoes! - His younger son a bachelor working in State bank resingned the job and lured into this profession! The brother make a fortune but finding it difficult to find a bride for the unmarried They own luxurious 4 Bed Apartment & Honda city The girls are not impressed - they prefer boys of other profession and jobs and ready to settle for 2BK apartment and Hero Honda!

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Many are getting nostalgic about good old times.

Signs of aging I suppose.

Those who look behind and not ahead must be old even if they claim otherwise.

Good purohits ,specially vaishnavite types are doing very well.

It is only the average types who suffer.

There is a premium of 25-30 % for vaishnavite vadhyars as compared with saivite ones.

Grihasthas get irritated when the purohits do not observe time discipline.

Purohits can pick and choose.

It is only the lure of better payments which make them officiate at IC/IR weddings.

Some appear in films also for a price in wedding scenes.

They are as commercial as anyone else.

Most vadhyar prefer turnkey deals in weddings providing for presence of more of their type as necessary and puja materials for the event.

Many collect as much as 35-45 thousands for a wedding.

Thats a killing.

A few weddings and deaths in a year can make them in a few lakhs earnings bracket

How about Vathiyars online repetadly poping up on top of the page with attractive one month free trial offer!

 

[Raji Ram]

........... How about Vathiyars online repetadly poping up on top of the page with attractive one month free trial offer!

I guess sign up is ONLY free; services to be paid.
After the trial period, there might be a membership FEE!! opcorn: