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Advice to Parents - Arrange for Inter-Brahmin marriage

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RVR,

This is a huge step. But for this to succeed we have to first convince at least 2 or 3 Tamil Brahmin families to agree. You have the list of boys from the Trichy Swayamvaram. Select 10 of them and suggest to them with no guarantee that we may be able to locate Brahmins from other places.

Once this is done we may contact either individuals or groups of other Brahmin communities to locate Girls.

If at least a couple of marriages are conducted successfully this will prove as an incentive for others to follow.

good idea. also please propose this in trivandrum.
 
Some sects of the coastal brahmins in Orissa, Bengal and Konkan coast eat fish.

We have to ensure that the groups we select have to be fully vegetarian.

Let us make an announcement at Trivandrum event and see the reaction. We shall also tell the ground reality about shortage of girls. I am sure some of the participants will be willing to venture out.

Writing on the wall is very clear.

Thirty plus boys have to take a decision very fast since sufficient TB girls are not available.

None of us (Including the best God man on earth) can perform any miracle to create TB girls out of thin air.

Draupathi type arrangement will not work in the present time.

Either they have to choose other language speaking brahmin girl as suggested by us or choose an NB girl themselves or go without marriage for rest of their life.

Let them decide. Let us put the ball in their court.

All the best
 
None of us (Including the best God man on earth) can perform any miracle to create TB girls out of thin air.

if you had gone to a god on earth,and as his servant begged him for mercy,maybe tb girls will marry tb boys in no time.as the population of tb girls are enuff and more for the available tb boys.now you see the chamatkar.

Draupathi type arrangement will not work in the present time.

it was mother kunti unknowingly made mother draupadi a party to such an arrangement as wife of five pandavas brother.that is why we hav the shlokam

draupadi sita ahalya tara mandothari,pancha kanya smaray nithyam sarva paapa vimochanam.this slokam lord prescribed for all women in the world.draupadi is one of the most pious honest character in maha bharatham.
 
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....Draupathi type arrangement will not work in the present time.

Depressingly enough, the TB elites may even encourage Draupati type arrangement than promote alliances with TNB, say a Saiva Pillai or SV Naidu. The TNBs are no less castiests than TBs, one Saiva Pillai web site I found has Bharathiyar's ஜாதிகள் இல்லையடி பாப்பா prominently at the center, and right above it is a search box for matrimony with a huge list of sub-castes to select from.

Caste is just culture, doesn't hurt nobody no time, is a refrain of some. This sounds so similar to the pleas of some South Carolina state legislators who wanted to keep the the confederacy flag flying on top the state house,the flag that invokes memories of hatred and oppression.

Any culture that can be preserved only through strictly enforced endogamy is not very cultured.

Cheers!
 
nara,
Depressingly enough, the TB elites may even encourage Draupati type arrangement than promote alliances with TNB, say a Saiva Pillai or SV Naidu. The TNBs are no less castiests than TBs, one Saiva Pillai web site I found has Bharathiyar's ஜாதிகள் இல்லையடி பாப்பா prominently at the center, and right above it is a search box for matrimony with a huge list of sub-castes to select from.

women are a lot aggressive now,than to listen to her mil blindly.lol,situation now is,husbands have to be extra careful,otherwise all privilieges will be cut in no time :heh:

Caste is just culture, doesn't hurt nobody no time, is a refrain of some. This sounds so similar to the pleas of some South Carolina state legislators who wanted to keep the the confederacy flag flying on top the state house,the flag that invokes memories of hatred and oppression.

Any culture that can be preserved only through strictly enforced endogamy is not very cultured.

Cheers!

caste is just an identifier for luxury and comforts,like reservation now.india will never change this and indians also,at least the ruling elite will see to it,they dont dissolve it,despite a sikh pm and catholic christian literally calling the shots in india.in usa too,racial divide exists,if someone says it does not,then what can i say...just look at the list of ruling senaors,congressman,councilors etc..with one masterful stroke democrats elected a deerving bi-racial president,which is no small miracle,imho.god lives hallelujah:amen:
 
Depressingly enough, the TB elites may even encourage Draupati type arrangement than promote alliances with TNB, say a Saiva Pillai or SV Naidu. The TNBs are no less castiests than TBs, one Saiva Pillai web site I found has Bharathiyar's ஜாதிகள் இல்லையடி பாப்பா prominently at the center, and right above it is a search box for matrimony with a huge list of sub-castes to select from.

Caste is just culture, doesn't hurt nobody no time, is a refrain of some. This sounds so similar to the pleas of some South Carolina state legislators who wanted to keep the the confederacy flag flying on top the state house,the flag that invokes memories of hatred and oppression.

Any culture that can be preserved only through strictly enforced endogamy is not very cultured.

Cheers!

Prof Nara Sir,

There is shortage of girls in all communities. We are getting requests from other communities to conduct similar swayamvarams for their communities exclusively. We are telling them to organise themselves and we are willing to advice them if required.

Caste has gone into deep mindset of all communities here and inspite of EVR movement, it is difficult to erase from the mindset just like that. Most of the communities doesn't like intercaste marriages. For example even after conversion to christianity, Nadars marry within themselves. A Christian Nadar will prefer a Hindu Nadar rather than other caste. Here even religion is secondary but caste is important.

It is difficult to change certain things.

All the best
 
All castes are casteists. That is the reality.

I know of 4 guys (NBs) who tried to search for brides with the "caste no bar" tag from 2004-2009. They did not get any replies. When they expressed interest in the Ads posted by the girls' side, the girls' people wanted to know "what is wrong" with these boys since they are seeking a girl with 'caste no bar".

In the end, two guys married girls from diff castes (with parents' full blessings) while the other 2 remain unmarried (and still searching with 'caste no bar' - i must add that they are not professionals and earn a humble income in simple jobs - girls even from ordinary families are turning them down for that reason.).

I agree with Shri RVR that in general the number of females are reduced.

I am shocked to read some of the posts made by Shri Sangom. Maybe girls have bcome so demanding now bcoz they know their numbers are few. About 15 years back, we had no such "luck". At that time, number of girls were high, and guys used to demand (set-up was traditional).

Perhaps its also a good idea to set up a counselling centre type of thing to see why there are so many divorces. Instead of trying for remarriage, i suppose it wud be better to prevent a marriage from breaking up in the first place. The biggest prob, imo, is that career is the top priority for girls these days (rather, it is the ONLY priority for a growing number). Many do not even want to have kids. This bcome a big prob if the guy wants to bcome a dad but his wife is unrelenting. Am not sure if this is called equality. It is common to come across the 'Double Income No Kids" (DINK) couples.

Equality, folks?? At what cost??

Hope there is a seperate thread where the females themselves come forward and speak out what makes them tick..
 
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A Christian Nadar will prefer a Hindu Nadar rather than other caste. Here even religion is secondary but caste is important.

Not true. Christian Nadars belong to diff demoninations (CSI is the largest). To them their demonination is important. It is easier to get a hindu to convert to their demonination (than those of other demonination) IF there are no brides available within their demonination. On this website too we see ppl seeking a bride who shd be a vadagalai or shd accept smartha sampradayam. Its the same expectation (preference) they too have.
 
Kamme is derived from 'Karmin' (Karmigalu in Kannada) meaning those who practice "Vaidhika Dharma".

If that is the definition of a kamme (karmin), then everybody from karmarashtra wud be a brahmin..

Anyways, let the elders talk among themselves. And let us not interfere in b/w. 1200 unmarried guys is no joke to settle. My apologise if my posts have been an intrusion. NN, we can continue our conversation not here but on an other thread if you wud like to.
 
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i think, the next step, is three (atleast THREE) initiators of swaymavaram, send messages on behalf of this forum, to a few of the selected websites, and feel out their willingness.

offhand, i would humbl admiringly choose RVR as one the initiators.

atleast two more... i forget the names of the other leaders of the swayamvaram group.

if swami would lend his name, it would give even more credibility.
 
i think, the next step, is three (atleast THREE) initiators of swaymavaram, send messages on behalf of this forum, to a few of the selected websites, and feel out their willingness.

offhand, i would humbl admiringly choose RVR as one the initiators.

atleast two more... i forget the names of the other leaders of the swayamvaram group.

if swami would lend his name, it would give even more credibility.

Kunjuppu ji,

We shall start collecting data of all the websites of other brahmin groups immediately

We shall also make an announcement at the Trivandrum program about our proposed move. I am sure Trivandrum is very progressive to accept out idea.

We shall write from the administration of this website itself as it will give more credibility and seriousness. I hope Praveen will not have any objection since he is also an organiser of our swayamvaram functions.

Total Brahmin population in India is approx 5.60 crores.

If we assume 70 as average age, each age will have 8 lakh population.

Assuming 50% female population, each age will have 4 lakh girls.

For a range of 10 years, there will be a populations 40 lakh girls.

We have approx 4000 boys aged 30 plus not yet married. I don't know how many will agree for our proposal.

It is just 0.1% of the total brahmin population of the girls in the similar age group.

I think it is worth attempting in our proposed venture.

Let us make a sincere attempt to help our eligible boys.

All the best
 
Kunjuppu ji,

We shall start collecting data of all the websites of other brahmin groups immediately

We shall also make an announcement at the Trivandrum program about our proposed move. I am sure Trivandrum is very progressive to accept out idea.

We shall write from the administration of this website itself as it will give more credibility and seriousness. I hope Praveen will not have any objection since he is also an organiser of our swayamvaram functions.

Total Brahmin population in India is approx 5.60 crores.

If we assume 70 as average age, each age will have 8 lakh population.

Assuming 50% female population, each age will have 4 lakh girls.

For a range of 10 years, there will be a populations 40 lakh girls.

We have approx 4000 boys aged 30 plus not yet married. I don't know how many will agree for our proposal.

It is just 0.1% of the total brahmin population of the girls in the similar age group.

I think it is worth attempting in our proposed venture.

Let us make a sincere attempt to help our eligible boys.

All the best

good stuff RVR. best wishes.
 
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If that is the definition of a kamme (karmin), then everybody from karmarashtra wud be a brahmin..

knower of brahman is a brahmin.by birth works as well as not by birth works.

Anyways, let the elders talk among themselves. And let us not interfere in b/w. 1200 unmarried guys is no joke to settle. My apologise if my posts have been an intrusion. NN, we can continue our conversation not here but on an other thread if you wud like to.

if age is the criteria of being an elder,i do not know ages of posters here. am not sure,why you apologised,thinking your posts as intrusion,i think we have in you a very stable informative poster.wish we can see more of you here.sure another thread,and may you do the honor's :boink:
 
Sri Sankara Sharma Sir,

We are all greatful to you for starting this thread. This thread may give a solution to our eligible boys. Let us make a sincere attempt to get brahmin girls speaking other languages for our eligible boys.

I request our members placed in other parts of India to help us in reaching different brahmin communities.

I also request parents of eligible boys to send willingness through personal messages or publicly through this thread so that it will help us in proceeding further.

Let us combine all our resources and try to help our community boys.

All the best
 
An Appeal to Members and Visitors.

Sri Sankara Sharma Sir,

We are all greatful to you for starting this thread. This thread may give a solution to our eligible boys. Let us make a sincere attempt to get brahmin girls speaking other languages for our eligible boys.

I request our members placed in other parts of India to help us in reaching different brahmin communities.

I also request parents of eligible boys to send willingness through personal messages or publicly through this thread so that it will help us in proceeding further.

Let us combine all our resources and try to help our community boys.

All the best

Thank you, RVR.

I would request the members and visitors who are staying outside Tamil Nadu to find out about the local Brahmin communities and post here.

I had given some information about the Desastha Brahmins of Maharashtra. But that was what prevailed six years back. That may not be true now.

We need the following information.

1. Name of the community.

2. Location.

3. Mother tongue.

4. Whether Vegetarian or not.

5. Most important. Is there a shortage of eligible Boys in the community?

6. Is there a system of dowry in the community which is making life difficult for the Middle class Brahmins?

My appeal goes to not only members, but also visitors to the site.

Please collect the information to the best of your ability and post here.


Whether you are a Tamil Brahmin or a well wisher of the community, we need your help at this hour of crisis.

Thank You.

God Bless You !
 
Could we make this thread sticky so that it is always on top?
 
Thanks Mr. shankar Sharma

We shall decide on the future programs.. a very good idea indeed..

But i want to tell a real story here....

One of our tb member who is much annoyance to all is from a well known brahmin community married an american. His kids are also married to american gals. Much stress he lays on inter caste marriage....which many oppose.. even in the programs, when it was discussed, they really are angry on him, as to why this man is still allowed here in the tb.com to post messages in all forums....

Indeed new members from inner parts of tamilnadu are being stressed to login to tb.com and post their ideas and as such logging of new members are increasing, as we cud see the introduction here......

In few days, i hope many brahmins especially tamil brahmins will be coming more and more, with the increase of event, and one day or other, persons stressing intercaste marriages will be thrown away....hahahha...Brahmins should be always hv brahmin gals or boys in their life....

If a muslim in Saudi arabia is married to a non-muslim, he is beheaded....
such situation should not arise in our community....
We shall guide our kids to hv partners only from brahmin community...
which will happen, and we shall try this to happen for our future generations...

At last i request other brahmin members to support this, for the welfare of our communal existance....

"Sooriyana paathu Naai kolaikkatum sir.. naama namma velaya paapom"

thanks and bye

Dear Shri Swaminatha Sharma,

Whether we can insist on our boys and girls to marry within brahmin community has been partly discussed, I suppose, in this forum; the instances of TB girls marrying outside caste/s and even religion shows signs of increase and even the concerned parents are unable to do anything. Of, course we can hope that this will be arrested. Even if we try our best to have 'welfare of communal existence', I take it that you meant community's existence, it will, sooner than later reach the stage in which the Zoroastrians find themselves today; most are settled abroad, the reformers want marriage with 'juddins' (non-Parsis) to be accepted while the orthodox section stoutly oppose it, and the reformers seem to win with the same slogan which you quote at the end of your post. The story of TB, IMO, is not very different from that of the Parsis in this respect.

Last, but not least, what differentiates a brahmin from others who are not, is his refinement - in thoughts, words and deeds. Slogans of the kind you have used are better avoided in a forum for Brahmins. We can always agree to disagree and the person whom you refer to in your post may not be able to change anyone's ideas about inter-caste marriages.
 
...One of our tb member who is much annoyance to all is from a well known brahmin community married an american. His kids are also married to american gals. Much stress he lays on inter caste marriage....which many oppose.. even in the programs, when it was discussed, they really are angry on him, as to why this man is still allowed here in the tb.com to post messages in all forums....

Indeed new members from inner parts of tamilnadu are being stressed to login to tb.com and post their ideas and as such logging of new members are increasing, as we cud see the introduction here......

In few days, i hope many brahmins especially tamil brahmins will be coming more and more, with the increase of event, and one day or other, persons stressing intercaste marriages will be thrown away....hahahha...Brahmins should be always hv brahmin gals or boys in their life....

If a muslim in Saudi arabia is married to a non-muslim, he is beheaded....
such situation should not arise in our community....
We shall guide our kids to hv partners only from brahmin community...
which will happen, and we shall try this to happen for our future generations...

swami,

i will let the honourable member answer you somewhat indirect reference to him, provided, who he is and who he thinks you mean, are one and the same person.

but i am somewhat surprised, at the call to throw him out of the forum, just on the basis that he promotes intercaste marriage. it appears to me that this is somewhat of a parochial attitude, and i hope those members who encouraged you along these lines identify themselves, so as to give the gentleman a fair field to play. that is only fair, i think.

i have several stories of parents mocking others for intercaste or absolutely refusing to talk with parents whose children married out of religion..... till.... such time, as their own loved one chose to do the same. overnight, one heard all the calls for brotherly love among religions and all gods are the same eventually. made me puke, when i heard such nonsense coming from those type of folks. pure hypocrites, who change their colour, to suit the minute.

on the other hand, there are several, including myself, who see certain events as the way the world is going. maybe we cannot control or avoid it, but definitely if it impacts our children, we can probably try give them parameters, so that in the ultimate, the children are happily married and live a contented life.

life has too many uncertainties to think, preach and swear in terms of absolutes. if one leaves a door open, atleast then, one can honourably withdraw from those rigidness, to one of graceful acceptance - after all these are our children, whom we brought into and up in this world. we cannot wish our child into banishment just because they marry someone whom we do not like. it can happen to anyone's child. the loss is to the parents. i know of a few, of those bitter ones. my remarks about them, is that the parents brought and wallow in their own self pity and sorrows, with ever present relatives and friends, ever ready with the kiNNaarams.

having said that, i agree with you on two other points. it is heartening to see more membership. i will accept your note that these are from the inlands of tamil nadu. i am hoping more participation from them, in terms of postings and viewpoints :)

also, marriage as such is fraught with tensions and misunderstandings. in my own case, with my view so close to us in practice and tradition, it has eased us of many situations. but most of the hassles of the marriage comes from the interference on in laws and i confess that i too have had more than my deserved share. even in case of closest caste porutham, i think, a word of advice from person of eminence, to the in laws, to leave the couple alone and let them find themselves together, is a worthwhile exercise.

re saudi, i think it is a society which does not deserve any acknowledgement in this forum, even from setting a bad example. it is beyond that.
 
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swami,

i will let the honourable member answer you somewhat indirect reference to him, provided, who he is and who he thinks you mean, are one and the same person.

but i am somewhat surprised, at the call to throw him out of the forum, just on the basis that he promotes intercaste marriage. it appears to me that this is somewhat of a parochial attitude, and i hope those members who encouraged you along these lines identify themselves, so as to give the gentleman a fair field to play. that is only fair, i think.

i have several stories of parents mocking others for intercaste or absolutely refusing to talk with parents whose children married out of religion..... till.... such time, as their own loved one chose to do the same. overnight, one heard all the calls for brotherly love among religions and all gods are the same eventually. made me puke, when i heard such nonsense coming from those type of folks. pure hypocrites, who change their colour, to suit the minute.

on the other hand, there are several, including myself, who see certain events as the way the world is going. maybe we cannot control or avoid it, but definitely if it impacts our children, we can probably try give them parameters, so that in the ultimate, the children are happily married and live a contented life.

life has too many uncertainties to think, preach and swear in terms of absolutes. if one leaves a door open, atleast then, one can honourably withdraw from those rigidness, to one of graceful acceptance - after all these are our children, whom we brought into and up in this world. we cannot wish our child into banishment just because they marry someone whom we do not like. it can happen to anyone's child. the loss is to the parents. i know of a few, of those bitter ones. my remarks about them, is that the parents brought and wallow in their own self pity and sorrows, with ever present relatives and friends, ever ready with the kiNNaarams.

having said that, i agree with you on two other points. it is heartening to see more membership. i will accept your note that these are from the inlands of tamil nadu. i am hoping more participation from them, in terms of postings and viewpoints :)

also, marriage as such is fraught with tensions and misunderstandings. in my own case, with my view so close to us in practice and tradition, it has eased us of many situations. but most of the hassles of the marriage comes from the interference on in laws and i confess that i too have had more than my deserved share. even in case of closest caste porutham, i think, a word of advice from person of eminence, to the in laws, to leave the couple alone and let them find themselves together, is a worthwhile exercise.

re saudi, i think it is a society which does not deserve any acknowledgement in this forum, even from setting a bad example. it is beyond that.
Dear Kunjuppu,

You have written what exactly was in my mind and did not write because, I did not want to raise the temperatures here. Since Swaminatha Sharma says that inter-caste marriage is a no-no subject here, let me also point out once again that Sankara_Sharmah who was vehemently opposing my view that it is not easy to build a bridge with other brahmin denominations of India, has, finally, admitted that he is not sure whether the Desastha Brahmins - whom he was quoting again and again - are ready now for marriage alliance with TBs and has backtracked. Thus I find that some members here do not want to hear opposite views and find out whether such views are for the good of the TBs or are given just to oppose their views and, obstinately go on opposing.
 
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sangom,

even in the same household, there is so much heated discussion over difference of views. i think, in this forum, where we are all impersonally represented through our written words, it is but natural to differ and that too, differ widely.

as long as we write politely, respectfully, avoid innuendos, bravados and boasts, i think we are all mature to accommodate each others' views, inspite of disagreement.

it was in this context, i made a couple of points to swami, with whom i agree on some, differ on many, but have a regard, and am very surprised by his somewhat supportive inclination with folks who want people to be thrown out because of some singular view.

let us move on. my own earnest call, in private messages, to folks who think of moving on beyond this forum, due to misunderstandings.... is to emphasize the difference their presence makes. especially folks who have strong held views of egalitarianism or marriage across castes. these views also needs to be represented for hiding dirt under the carpet, does not mean that the dirt has be rid of. out in the open, i say - let us not be violent, wordwise, but only use wit, logic, humour and reasoning, to present our views.

i tell them, as many here would vouch, to stick around here, and without fear proclaim your dearly held views, but within the decorum of the forum. so far, there has been no untoward incidents or spilled (cyber) blood. such bloodspilling as it was here, has always come from extreme views of the right, which i feel, has less tolerance of divergence, and would rather have them disappear out of this forum. or even this earth. :)

for in the ultimate, i do not think, one member, changes his view or opinions. but he lears a life lesson - to tolerate and give a hearing to someone else, who does a different worldview.

always good to chat with you sangom. haveagoodday. :)
 
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Advice to parents -Inter caste Marriage

THERE is section of TAMIL BRAHMIN COMMUNITY in SRILANKA.

They are in distressed state where supply of Brahmin girls will be a source. They practice vegetarianism and are mostly saivites. Broad minded TB can help these girls.They worship Vishnu without inhibitions.

This is a source one can look into for they talk tamil in SRILANKAN way but yet they practice brahmin culture. This way inter caste marriage - the need can be avoided. WE can get to them through temple preist in TRICONEMALLE.
 
Sri Swaminatha Sharma,

We started swayamvaram functions last year after lot of parents from boys side expressed their problems in this forum.

Now we are able to do some service to our community members particularly poorer and middle class sections.

In the last four programs, approx 1400 TB community members participated and we could finalize alliances for at-least 10% of the participants. I feel it is a great achievement and we could have done much better if more girls participated in our functions.

Now there is great expectation from the participants and even two days back I got a phone call requesting for an event in Chennai. I believe Sri Sabesan Sir also got similar request at Bangalore.

When we conduct future programs, we should ensure that more girls participate in our functions. While we are making earnest attempt to do the same, there seems to be real shortage of girls in TB community.

Sri Sankar Sharma started this thread on inter-brahmin marriages and it has definitely brought a solution which we have been searching so far.

Most of the threads here are just discussion threads without really bringing any end result. But this thread has brought conclusive solution to our boys.

Now we have to suggest this solution to our participants in the next program at Trivandrum.

Ultimately the wish of the participants will prevail and none of us can force anything on them.

If they agree to our suggestion, let us take it forward. If they don't agree, we cannot proceed further.

We are working with such a limitation in-spite of doing just a voluntary community service.

Other matrimony sites will not suggest this solution since they are just commercial business units and really they don't have any interest in our community.

On the contrary most of our forum members here are interested in our community. Their views are highly valuable in spite of some differences.

In this thread, there is definitely convergence of opinion which is a great achievement.

Challenge before us is to take this view forward. Most of the failures happen only at the implementation stage. We should not allow any failure during implementation.

Let us combine all our resources and see that at-least part of the 30 plus TB boys are benefited through our earnest efforts.

Let us not allow ourselves to get distracted from the above objective. You are the MOST IMPORTANT person in the whole program and major credit goes to you for the success of our programs.

Let us continue to do productive service to our community members and let us not get distracted by provocations or threats. I am forced to use the word threat because both you and Praveen got threatening calls during Trichy function. I presume the threating calls are from commercial matrimony units.

Let us concentrate our energies on the next program and let us inform the participants about the outcome of our discussions in this thread.

Let us not deviate from our goals.

All the best
 
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THERE is section of TAMIL BRAHMIN COMMUNITY in SRILANKA.

They are in distressed state where supply of Brahmin girls will be a source. They practice vegetarianism and are mostly saivites. Broad minded TB can help these girls.They worship Vishnu without inhibitions.

This is a source one can look into for they talk tamil in SRILANKAN way but yet they practice brahmin culture. This way inter caste marriage - the need can be avoided. WE can get to them through temple preist in TRICONEMALLE.


Sri Srinath,

Definitely we can tap Sri Lankan Tamil Brahmin girls. One of my relative married a Sri Lankan Tamil Brahmin girl almost thirty years back and the family is leading a happy life even now.

Please help us in tapping this source.

All the best
 
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