Am I going astray?

[renuka]

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It is a sort of reaction to those considering Agraharam as a retrograde decision....Vaagmi has clearly delineated why an Agraharam is required be it in a Village or Town or a towering Metro with multitude of several condominiums!

I dont see it as a retrograde decision.

I have a friend in India whose ancestors were Zamindars and all males of the family have their houses and other buildings built near by each other and the whole campus of houses/buildings has a fort like wall and no one can enter without permission.

I dont see anything wrong in choosing how we stay.

I miss the days of my childhood when monkeys from the surrounding jungle were my neighbours.

Monkeys do not bother you like humans do.

Monkeys respect your privacy something most humans have forgotten.

Monkeys do not expect you to attend their weddings..monkeys do not bother you if they had a child or a new grandchild and they do not expect you to attend their house functions.

Monkeys do not play loud music for Diwali or any wedding party..monkeys do not park their cars in front of your house gate...

Female monkeys do not pull away their monkey husbands into their house when you decide to wash your car wearing shorts.

Monkeys do not try to make small talk with you..they just jump from tree to tree..ask for some food and make some cute monkey noises and their faces are so cute.

So you see for me if I still prefer monkeys to humans!

 

[Vaagmi]

I dont see it as a retrograde decision.

I have a friend in India whose ancestors were Zamindars and all males of the family have their houses and other buildings built near by each other and the whole campus of houses/buildings has a fort like wall and no one can enter without permission.

I dont see anything wrong in choosing how we stay.

I miss the days of my childhood when monkeys from the surrounding jungle were my neighbours.

Monkeys do not bother you like humans do.

Monkeys respect your privacy something most humans have forgotten.

Monkeys do not expect you to attend their weddings..monkeys do not bother you if they had a child or a new grandchild and they do not expect you to attend their house functions.

Monkeys do not play loud music for Diwali or any wedding party..monkeys do not park their cars in front of your house gate...

Female monkeys do not pull away their monkey husbands into their house when you decide to wash your car wearing shorts.

Monkeys do not try to make small talk with you..they just jump from tree to tree..ask for some food and make some cute monkey noises and their faces are so cute.

So you see for me if I still prefer monkeys to humans!

LOL.

And monkeys do not come and tell you that that is the reason why knowledgeable monkeys keep them as the avatar in their mast heads.

And monkeys do not come and tell you that they are happy that they are preferred to humans.

LOL.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Mam,

My mind just go back to Darwin's Theory

No comments!!


With regards

 

[renuka]

LOL.

And monkeys do not come and tell you that that is the reason why knowledgeable monkeys keep them as the avatar in their mast heads.

And monkeys do not come and tell you that they are happy that they are preferred to humans.

LOL.

I think they know that they are preferred to humans..cos they just give wide eyed cute looks and they get food from humans!

 

[Vaagmi]

I think they know that they are preferred to humans..cos they just give wide eyed cute looks and they get food from humans!

And that too only sAtvic food.!! LOL

 

[renuka]

And that too only sAtvic food.!! LOL

ha ha ha...you dont know monkeys as well!

Ever seen a monkey raiding a bird's nest??

They love to eat eggs..they will crack the egg at the top and suck out the contents..so they also eat Rajasic food.

I think there is only one Sattva monkey..guess who??LOL

 

[amala]

I dont see it as a retrograde decision.

I have a friend in India whose ancestors were Zamindars and all males of the family have their houses and other buildings built near by each other and the whole campus of houses/buildings has a fort like wall and no one can enter without permission.

I dont see anything wrong in choosing how we stay.

I miss the days of my childhood when monkeys from the surrounding jungle were my neighbours.

Monkeys do not bother you like humans do.

Monkeys respect your privacy something most humans have forgotten.

Monkeys do not expect you to attend their weddings..monkeys do not bother you if they had a child or a new grandchild and they do not expect you to attend their house functions.

Monkeys do not play loud music for Diwali or any wedding party..monkeys do not park their cars in front of your house gate...

Female monkeys do not pull away their monkey husbands into their house when you decide to wash your car wearing shorts.

Monkeys do not try to make small talk with you..they just jump from tree to tree..ask for some food and make some cute monkey noises and their faces are so cute.

So you see for me if I still prefer monkeys to humans!

The thing i felt reading this post is this and its not really about monkeys at all. No man is an island and its a pity many of us feel that way especially when younger and it may take old age and perhaps ill health to realise that. Relationships especially of the siblings and relatives and perhaps in laws kind needs constant nurturing. No one is going to turn up suddenly when we are ill or older if we don't work on it from younger IMHO. I completely understand how boring it can be to go to some peoples Diwalis, weddings, functions, parties etc but the more we see it as a chore the more it is going to feel like one. We do all this for work because we must, why not for family too more than that its actually for our benefit and advantage. We mayn't see it now when fit and young...

Even animals display social behaviour move around in groups and have social hierarchy and all. That lone zebra who want its privacy won't last long and will soon be killed off if it separates from its herd. I'm not saying we need to be in joint families and wait on our relatives/friends hand and foot. Not at all. I'm merely saying being anti social won't harm them in the future but we will be the losers ultimately.

Apologies if I've gone off in a complete tangent, but i just felt these are very important things to reflect on if we haven't already.

 

[sangom]

The thing i felt reading this post is this and its not really about monkeys at all. No man is an island and its a pity many of us feel that way especially when younger and it may take old age and perhaps ill health to realise that. Relationships especially of the siblings and relatives and perhaps in laws kind needs constant nurturing. No one is going to turn up suddenly when we are ill or older if we don't work on it from younger IMHO. I completely understand how boring it can be to go to some peoples Diwalis, weddings, functions, parties etc but the more we see it as a chore the more it is going to feel like one. We do all this for work because we must, why not for family too more than that its actually for our benefit and advantage. We mayn't see it now when fit and young...

Even animals display social behaviour move around in groups and have social hierarchy and all. That lone zebra who want its privacy won't last long and will soon be killed off if it separates from its herd. I'm not saying we need to be in joint families and wait on our relatives/friends hand and foot. Not at all. I'm merely saying being anti social won't harm them in the future but we will be the losers ultimately.

Apologies if I've gone off in a complete tangent, but i just felt these are very important things to reflect on if we haven't already.

Amala,

I completely agree with the truth in the highlighted portion. Much of what you have written is also the truth. But contemporary tabra society has changed so much, that even people who spend their younger days socializing, cultivating relatives and relationships, attending all the celebrations in their larger family circles, etc., do not get, nowadays, any notice except smss or phone calls when they are sick and disabled in their old age. Finally when such popularity-conscious people die, may be a few more relatives come calling - that too at their convenience on a thursday or sunday within ten days of the death - for condolence, spend a few minutes, sip the cup of coffee and depart.

Hence, I feel that investing in people-contact, cementing relationships, etc., is not a very wise investment in the present era.

 

[prasad1]

The thing i felt reading this post is this and its not really about monkeys at all. No man is an island and its a pity many of us feel that way especially when younger and it may take old age and perhaps ill health to realise that. Relationships especially of the siblings and relatives and perhaps in laws kind needs constant nurturing. No one is going to turn up suddenly when we are ill or older if we don't work on it from younger IMHO. I completely understand how boring it can be to go to some peoples Diwalis, weddings, functions, parties etc but the more we see it as a chore the more it is going to feel like one. We do all this for work because we must, why not for family too more than that its actually for our benefit and advantage. We mayn't see it now when fit and young...

Even animals display social behaviour move around in groups and have social hierarchy and all. That lone zebra who want its privacy won't last long and will soon be killed off if it separates from its herd. I'm not saying we need to be in joint families and wait on our relatives/friends hand and foot. Not at all. I'm merely saying being anti social won't harm them in the future but we will be the losers ultimately.

Apologies if I've gone off in a complete tangent, but i just felt these are very important things to reflect on if we haven't already.

I agree with you and expressed my sentiment in my earlier post #14

 

[biswa]

With respect to the posts about social behavior and about monkeys, I should say that monkeys are generally very, very social animals. Human behavior is almost 90% similar to monkeys just as human genome is 90% similar to monkeys.

Monkeys have familial behavior, social structure, predatory leanings, polygamous outlook, in short they do almost everything that humans do. And it is true that humans crave society (or at least they did before everybody got married to their iphone).

Specially in the Western world there is an emphasis on individualism where a teenager can lock her door and post a sign saying "keep out". Twenty somethings can have a good time in night clubs and bars. But sooner or later there comes a time when they yearn to settle down and have a family of their own. There are even plenty of Hollywood movies with that theme where the self-centered party animal becomes domesticated and eventually joins the herd.

 

[amala]

Hear! Hear! See even monkeys are social creatures even though they may not be forced to attend a Diwali or wedding

 

[renuka]

The thing i felt reading this post is this and its not really about monkeys at all. No man is an island and its a pity many of us feel that way especially when younger and it may take old age and perhaps ill health to realise that. Relationships especially of the siblings and relatives and perhaps in laws kind needs constant nurturing. No one is going to turn up suddenly when we are ill or older if we don't work on it from younger IMHO. I completely understand how boring it can be to go to some peoples Diwalis, weddings, functions, parties etc but the more we see it as a chore the more it is going to feel like one. We do all this for work because we must, why not for family too more than that its actually for our benefit and advantage. We mayn't see it now when fit and young...

Even animals display social behaviour move around in groups and have social hierarchy and all. That lone zebra who want its privacy won't last long and will soon be killed off if it separates from its herd. I'm not saying we need to be in joint families and wait on our relatives/friends hand and foot. Not at all. I'm merely saying being anti social won't harm them in the future but we will be the losers ultimately.

Apologies if I've gone off in a complete tangent, but i just felt these are very important things to reflect on if we haven't already.

Dear Amala,

What you said is true to a certain extent especially in the early years of life where we are still getting a footing..once a person reaches a certain age..his/her behavior is firmly formed.

During youth..partying during Diwali..weddings..some even get drunk or get high on Marijuana and they feel that is having a social life..at that age it is not wrong to think so cos that is the teething years where a person is discovering himself or herself at its that age the human decides to choose his or her mate and get married.

Then as a person gets older..all this social functions might not mean much cos by then the person would have chosen in life a circle of friends or certain family members and a life style that really matters.

It is not the lone Zebra that gets killed but it is the Zebra that does not know his/her predator that gets killed.

Many humans display predatory behaviour and have an obsession to "track down" and "attack" others for God knows whatever reason even though outwardly they display signs and symptoms of friendship..we find lots of these types in social functions...so you see the good old experienced Zebra just knows when to hop on his/her bike and leave the Predator behind!LOL

 

[renuka]

With respect to the posts about social behavior and about monkeys, I should say that monkeys are generally very, very social animals. Human behavior is almost 90% similar to monkeys just as human genome is 90% similar to monkeys.

Monkeys have familial behavior, social structure, predatory leanings, polygamous outlook, in short they do almost everything that humans do. And it is true that humans crave society (or at least they did before everybody got married to their iphone).

Specially in the Western world there is an emphasis on individualism where a teenager can lock her door and post a sign saying "keep out". Twenty somethings can have a good time in night clubs and bars. But sooner or later there comes a time when they yearn to settle down and have a family of their own. There are even plenty of Hollywood movies with that theme where the self-centered party animal becomes domesticated and eventually joins the herd.

Agreed..that is why I was talking about inter species bonding.

Humans might bother other humans by inviting them for weddings/parties/prayers etc..monkeys might bother other monkeys too but if monkey and human bond they do not impose their personal lifestyle on each other...so it is more peaceful.

 

[amala]

No Renu I am not talking about youth, teenage, etc. I have noted that youngsters dooooo mingle, whether or not with oldies is immaterial, etc. So my point is youhts do mingle wtih youth occasional lunch/dinner/party may be useful and further the organisation cause!!!

 

[sravna]

I tend to agree with Amala. One has to learn to nurture relationship as it helps in the development of good qualities, For a person given the two choices of being alone or actively making relationships the latter in my view does him a lot more good in the long run.

 

[biswa]

Sravna ji, do you think people follow this advice in nurturing marital relationships as well?

 

[renuka]

No Renu I am not talking about youth, teenage, etc. I have noted that youngsters dooooo mingle, whether or not with oldies is immaterial, etc. So my point is youhts do mingle wtih youth occasional lunch/dinner/party may be useful and further the organisation cause!!!

oldies too have their own selected agenda..as we age all activities that generate fun might need to kept under the wraps!LOL

BTW you gave me an idea..so I might head to Hard Rock Cafe this weekend and sing and dance like an oldie trying to act young..grooving to this song!




Dhat teri ki main, dhat teri ki main
Dhat teri ki main ghar nahin jaana
Dhat teri ki main, dhat teri ki main
Dhat teri ki main ghar nahin jaana
(Roka toh kiss my ass, toka toh kiss my ass
mauka hai kiss my ass)
Main ghar nahi jaana

 

[sravna]

Sravna ji, do you think people follow this advice in nurturing marital relationships as well?

Dear Biswa,

Many don't. It takes effort to build relationships but I think every bit of the effort pays. Every relationship has some value. A good relationship with your father teaches you something, so does one with your mother, spouse or friend.

 

[renuka]

Dear Biswa,

Every relationship has some value.

True..but sadly society thinks Chinna Veedus have no value!LOL

 

[sravna]

True..but sadly society thinks Chinna Veedus have no value!LOL

Yes Renuka, it really does . It teaches what you should not have.

 

[tbs]

True..but sadly society thinks Chinna Veedus have no value!LOL

hi renu,

in some cases.....CHINNA VEEDU is more powerful than the PERIYA VEEDU....LOL

 

[renuka]

Yes Renuka, it really does . It teaches what you should not have.

Dear Sravna,

To realize what we should not have..we first need to have it..only then we can come to a conclusion.

 

[renuka]

hi renu,

in some cases.....CHINNA VEEDU is more powerful than the PERIYA VEEDU....LOL

Yes Yes very true....Periya Veedu is like Brahman..the Silent Witness..

Chinna Veedu is like Maya..deludes and all powerful!

Somehow there is Advaita in everything!LOL

 

[tbs]

Yes Yes very true....Periya Veedu is like Brahman..the Silent Witness..

Chinna Veedu is like Maya..deludes and all powerful!

Somehow there is Advaita in everything!LOL

hi renu,

its true ...its advaitham tooo...some ppl ..when they enjoy with PERIYA VEEDU and thinking abt CHINNA VEEDU....LOOKLIKE

JEEVATMA/PARAMATMA AIKYAM.....ABHEDHATVAM......LOL

 

[Nara]

True..but sadly society thinks Chinna Veedus have no value!LOL

All this cinna veedu and the oh so patrician mootthal, ilayaal, talk is the so called harmless hypocrisy that extracts a heavy price from the victims. The great aradhaka of Kanchi periya kovil, Seema Bhattar, carried on with the so called ilayal, while the mootthal rotted away one street away. Nobody batted an eyelid. He remained the great Seema Bhattar till the day he died. And he was given a funeral fit for a saint when he was no more, with iyal satrumurai and what not.

The man was a two timing bigamist.

His son, from the ilayal is now filling his dad's shoes, no permanent ilayal though, what happens in his drunken stupor, unlike Toronto mayor Rob Ford, has to remain unreported.

There are many ways to go astray, pretending to pine for a never existed prestine vedic aghraharam while at the same time rejecting it in preference to what really matters, Gandhi on paper, is only one of them. Living in an honest to goodness real life aghraharam with men of status and position exempting themselves from the common norms of moralilty is another.

IMHO, these terms like mootthaal and ilayal are a blot upon humanity, and, of course, the very idea of a bramin exclusive aghraharam.