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If ad hominem is this: “Please note, ad hominem is to counter an argument by attacking the person making the argument”

1. Post #80 by Nara: “Your anger is blinding you”. Telling the counter party that he is angry and so blind is attacking him and not his views. And again read this - “No, you are twisting what I said and calling it hate. I am creating an impression(is) in your enraged mind. Anger has taken over rationality”. Perfect examples of ad hominem.

KB got angry (he has since admitted to this) with my arguments, and, instead of providing a rebuttal he constructed various straw men arguments to attack me as a hypocrite and hatemonger. To you, that and, telling him his anger is blinding him are on the same level. To me it is not.

The rest is about style of writing. There is nothing there where I said anything about KB that comes close to KB simply refusing to put forth a rebuttal of what I stated and repeatedly accusing me of hatemongering. You may find equivalency between these two, I don't.

Because this member has a tendency to always withdraw himself into a shell whenever he comes across strong, reasoned, logically presented counters to his arguments and accuse every one else of put downs, ad hominems, strawman argument etc.,
I am ready and eager to engage anyone in a reasoned debate. I don't want to get into this kind of back-and-forth. Look at your own post, you have not addressed even one of the points I have been stating again and again, instead it is all about how you would have worded this or that and that. This is tiresome.
 
கால பைரவன்;216744 said:
That is a wonderful post Vaagmiji. Thank you. But now you will be accused of being a sycophant. Oh wait.That has already been done. Another ad hominem attack you can add to your exhaustive list. LOL!
KB, here is what you said about me and Sangom when I agreed with one of his posts:

கால பைரவன்;215685 said:
The BBs as is their wont are, what is the phrase, "kissing each other's ....". They always have been like that when it comes to bashing Brahmins. Therefore it makes funny reading when they make tall claims about being independent thinkers etc. Hypocrites to the core. LOL..

vaagmi, take a note, this is what ad hominem is, not telling somebody he is letting his anger blind him. If you can't see any difference that is revealing as well.
 
Born in late 70s, I saw a little bit of agraharam life (at both my grandparents'), and then I could infer from the talks of elders as to how it used to be, and I could say that:

1) The eduppu toilets were a nightmare. Looking back now I dread to think of how it would have been those days.
2) Gossip mongering was a norm those days - emotions ran deep and a lot of blood ran bad. Some even went to the extent of using "pilli - soonyam"...
3) My uncle still owns land, and collecting the dues is still a problem. So I think that was a point that definitely would have been harped on.
4) The "perai" which we used to call had even connecting windows into the other house. The idea of personal space was very limited or non-existent.

But... but... are these the kind of things that were made and agraharam what it was? Certainly not. I also observe that

1) There was, generally, a uniformity in traditional practices - markazhi bhajans etc. Same community living ensures that some practices are continued, such as getting "bommakol bakshanam".
2) Food habits were more or less acceptable to the community living.
3) After land was grabbed from the brahmins, there were plenty of office-goers, as accountants and clerks. Income sources and an adverse politcal scenario pushed them out of their comfort zone and made them go places. It was not a choice.
4) As (little) children we used to roam freely around the agraharam and no one used to bother. Somehow, someone managed to keep an eye on us. The moment we try to stray outside, we would be warned to get inside. A sense of safety and security presented itself in such a setup.
5) Any occasion, willing hands were available to help with the work.


Today, in a cross cultural scenario, I cannot stop the "kottu" than happens if a member of another community passes away, sometimes with a whiff of alcohol and sometimes not.

As mentioned in earlier posts, the whiff of fish or the waft of skin and leather, though revolting, passes through our houses.

At every street corner, a tree stump lies bleakly, foot firmly planted in the soil, to provide support for the butcher's blade as it cuts through mutton and chicken, without partiality.

"kozhai adi sandais" of other communities come with free bonanzas of choicest words that often make the family cringe.

If a family is doing some parayanam, the next door christian may be doing his friday concert, and if it happens to be pentacoastal hall, then woe betide the non christian neighbours.

If muslims are in sufficient numbers, they dictate the terms.

If the house is near to a political bigwig, then some harassment can be expected (this I speak from a friend's personal experience).

Hence, imo, it is only understandable to prefer same community living. But how much of agraharam style would be possible I do not know.

A modern agraharam that is created today could be a success if members willingly participate and it has proximity to medical centres, educatinal institutions and any IT park.

So the niggle can after all be eliminated, but there is always a price to be paid for... :-)

dear auh,

yours is probably a well balanced tambram pov of the dying days of agraharam of yore. today, i think in most villages, agraharam as it used to be, is history. for various reasons. my own relative's house in kalpathy is now a maadi veedu and so are most of the others.

the word agraharam may have many connotations. but you will find in many places communities grouping together, on a formal or informal basis. vaagmi is right..there are building were if not all, most of the occupants are brahmins. my own relatives in chennai live in such. this one was a huge bungalow, converted to about 30 flats, and purchase of the same went by word of mouth.

not that any of them are religious. and usually the apartment mentality of live/letlive indifference prevails. the only time they get toget
her is when there is a fault in the building and funds needs to be collected. or violation of parking or such nuicance.

but from a builder's viewpoint, it is search for profit. if 40 brahmins get together, and go to a builder and ask for a colony with some special structures like a temple or something within it, he will only be too happy to do it, because he got a pre sold building. he does not have to do any sales.

but how long will these be viable is a question. for a building to be continuously brahmin tight laws, as to who can buy/sell needs to be set up. in new york city, many of the apartments are cooperatives. the board has an absolute say in who buys and moves in. the buyer has to go through an interview before a sale can be finalized. this way, buildings are 100% jewish, or white ... effectively blocking out any other race or group.

it happened to one close relative recently when he, inspite of sterling credentials was refused to buy an apartment. the real estate agent who was losing a commission wanted to sue, but my relative, figuring that he did not want to move to a hostile environment demurred.

vegetarians of our kind have strong sense of aversion to non veg food. you would be surprised, soon after i landed in canada, i was sharing an upstairs of a white owned house, with some chinese. these guys had some dried fish, which when cooked, would emanate a smell sharper than that of a dead skunk. after the first experience, the houseowner begged the chinese to please give him advance notice when the guys were cooking this type of food, so that the family can be out :)

surprisingly, many of us tambrams, while very cast conscious in tamil nadu, have no issues, living among north indians with banias or sikhs, even though these too eat meat. not sure why this happens?
 
Ref post 101#

Have heard this excuse many times - "That is different. This is different". For a person who complained about being tired of advice on wording, it is quite ironical that the member resorts to the same trick. The member considers usage of the word "hypocrite" as inappropriate but if one were to use "blinded with hypocrisy" that becomes acceptable. Member TKS, whom I respect, raised a similar question. Accusing others repeatedly of practising hypocrisy is not different from calling one a hypocrite. There is whole thread dedicated to calling members of this forum as "hypocrites".So much for taking a stand against ad hominem.
 
கால பைரவன்;216815 said:
...Have heard this excuse many times - "That is different. This is different". For a person who complained about being tired of advice on wording, it is quite ironical that the member resorts to the same trick..
KB, This is quite tiresome. If you have any substantive comments about the views I have expressed I am willing to debate. If all you want to say is I am a hypocritical, brahmin-bashing, good-for-nothing, hatemonger, then we are done.
 
A modern agraharam that is created today could be a success if members willingly participate and it has proximity to medical centres, educatinal institutions and any IT park.

So the niggle can after all be eliminated, but there is always a price to be paid for... :-)

Dear Auh,

This is the Agraharam that is feasible in metropolitan cities...As appreciation of culture is there, be it among an Iyer or Iyengar or Madhva, the bonding among its members gets stronger...The office bearers of the society should play a role outside the typical maintenance fees collection and management ...Can festivals be celebrated together, can there be cultural programs for those in the condominium...There can be a cultural secretary who will coordinate music, dance & other performances...May be there can be a spiritual secretary who can handle Yoga, Veda classes, Meditation etc..Horticulture can also be organized based on free space available
 
Ref post 102:

As long as one finds it convenient to go back to certain posts, I would want to draw the attention of the readers to the following thread:


http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/genera...e-india-than-elsewhere-french-minister-2.html


Please refer to the post where Nara takes potshot at other side calling them mindless "cheerleaders". Cheerleaders then. Sycophants now. This is just a sample. These kind of sly attacks are dime a dozen.I am sure some other wish washy explanation will be given on why this is not ad hominem. Once again i will let the readers judge.
 
Dear Auh,

This is the Agraharam that is feasible in metropolitan cities...As appreciation of culture is there, be it among an Iyer or Iyengar or Madhva, the bonding among its members gets stronger...The office bearers of the society should play a role outside the typical maintenance fees collection and management ...Can festivals be celebrated together, can there be cultural programs for those in the condominium...There can be a cultural secretary who will coordinate music, dance & other performances...May be there can be a spiritual secretary who can handle Yoga, Veda classes, Meditation etc..Horticulture can also be organized based on free space available

Sir,
I wish you success. I have no problem, that you are choosing community of your choice. So do I, even though I live in USA.
I have looked at some of the retirement homes in India, with vegetarian meal only restrictions, they also happened to be gated community ("?"). So class restricted by the price as well.
Some of them had a temple in the middle. They did not say they were agrharam, or specify the spiritual aspect of the residents, but all the residents looked like TB.
So may be the difference is in the semantics.
But I have feeling that you can put pressure but can not mandate and enforce the spiritual nature of the residents. After all a home is a personal and life style can not be enforced.

Suppose one of the resident refuses to cooperate, let us say he starts eating meat, or uses alcohol what is power you have to evict such a person. So do explore it little more in depth.
 
Dear Sir,

...but from a builder's viewpoint, it is search for profit. if 40 brahmins get together, and go to a builder and ask for a colony with some special structures like a temple or something within it, he will only be too happy to do it, because he got a pre sold building. he does not have to do any sales.

but how long will these be viable is a question. for a building to be continuously brahmin tight laws, as to who can buy/sell needs to be set up. in new york city, many of the apartments are cooperatives. the board has an absolute say in who buys and moves in. the buyer has to go through an interview before a sale can be finalized. this way, buildings are 100% jewish, or white ... effectively blocking out any other race or group.

it happened to one close relative recently when he, inspite of sterling credentials was refused to buy an apartment. the real estate agent who was losing a commission wanted to sue, but my relative, figuring that he did not want to move to a hostile environment demurred.
AFAIK, builders are happy if brahmins purchase the plot/land/villa etc., as the chances of a payment default is a relative of zero. Most of the old age homes cater to a brahmin style setup. For eg., take the case of Nana Nani in Coimbatore which is mostly purchased by brahmins. If they do not live there, they at least rent it. It may not be a traditional agraharam, but most of the conditions are met - a relaxed community, a vegetarian belly to pat, peace loving... I essentially see it as a good deal, if a brahmin comes forward to buy an apartment.

Same is the case with rentals; the credit risk is negligible and the people are easily bullied. I used to work for an NBFC and was in Salem for some time - rough lorry owners who would not hesitate to engage a "kooli padai" for the sake of a strand of hair on their dwindl... er twirling moustaches... To cut it short, politicians, lawyers, police force, high govt. positions, etc., were generally avoided as they could not be bullied for collections. Brahmins generally are afraid for their skin and hence the preference.

Also most people generally believe that brahmins are god fearing and would not cheat.

surprisingly, many of us tambrams, while very cast conscious in tamil nadu, have no issues, living among north indians with banias or sikhs, even though these too eat meat. not sure why this happens?
Out here in Abu Dhabi, I can see two types - one that has taken to NV and enjoy it with gusto, and the other type who keep their preferences within the confines of their apartment and bear it out in the society.

Well, there is not much choice out here but when we are in "our" land, definitely we can aspire to have some intolerance... :-). no?
 
Dear Auh,

This is the Agraharam that is feasible in metropolitan cities...As appreciation of culture is there, be it among an Iyer or Iyengar or Madhva, the bonding among its members gets stronger...The office bearers of the society should play a role outside the typical maintenance fees collection and management ...Can festivals be celebrated together, can there be cultural programs for those in the condominium...There can be a cultural secretary who will coordinate music, dance & other performances...May be there can be a spiritual secretary who can handle Yoga, Veda classes, Meditation etc..Horticulture can also be organized based on free space available
Dear vgane,

Where I live in Coimbatore, the madhwas have their own place of worship that is acknowledged by their Mantralayam. There was a Visalakshi temple, but apparently there was either a ego problem or preferential treatment and hence a Vinayaka temple was opened. Then, people felt that an Ayyapa temple was lacking and that got constructed with all other accessory deities. A Krishnan temple, for Iyengars has opened up in the recent past. So you see even within this avial, there is no coagulation of the entities within.

Brahmins seem to be highly egoistic and individual entities. The only thing that could perhaps bind them, I feel, is adherence to logical thinking.

I have heard and seen enough of Thambraas through the ears and eys of my father. I perhaps wouldn't want to go near such an organization, given my style of thinking and individuality.

If we can find such a place that has these three - a reasonable reach to hospitals, educational institutions and an employment avenue, then I can also join in... :-)

The only problem is that I generally disregard rules that restrict my independence by way of thoughts or actions...
 
Dear vgane,

Where I live in Coimbatore, the madhwas have their own place of worship that is acknowledged by their Mantralayam. There was a Visalakshi temple, but apparently there was either a ego problem or preferential treatment and hence a Vinayaka temple was opened. Then, people felt that an Ayyapa temple was lacking and that got constructed with all other accessory deities. A Krishnan temple, for Iyengars has opened up in the recent past. So you see even within this avial, there is no coagulation of the entities within.

Brahmins seem to be highly egoistic and individual entities. The only thing that could perhaps bind them, I feel, is adherence to logical thinking.

I have heard and seen enough of Thambraas through the ears and eys of my father. I perhaps wouldn't want to go near such an organization, given my style of thinking and individuality.

If we can find such a place that has these three - a reasonable reach to hospitals, educational institutions and an employment avenue, then I can also join in... :-)

The only problem is that I generally disregard rules that restrict my independence by way of thoughts or actions...

I fully agree with this post. I too crave for my private space.
 
KB got angry (he has since admitted to this) with my arguments, and, instead of providing a rebuttal he constructed various straw men arguments to attack me as a hypocrite and hatemonger. To you, that and, telling him his anger is blinding him are on the same level. To me it is not.

This line of argument will be applicable to every ad hominem posted here. You are unable to accept that the other person too may be posting everything in all sincerity about expressing his views and not putting you down. And that is precisely the problem here.

The rest is about style of writing. There is nothing there where I said anything about KB that comes close to KB simply refusing to put forth a rebuttal of what I stated and repeatedly accusing me of hatemongering. You may find equivalency between these two, I don't.

Please recognize this fact(what you have stated here) that there can be difference in style of presentation and this can lead to misinterpretation that it is an ad hominem.

I am ready and eager to engage anyone in a reasoned debate. I don't want to get into this kind of back-and-forth. Look at your own post, you have not addressed even one of the points I have been stating again and again, instead it is all about how you would have worded this or that and that. This is tiresome.

I have clearly stated in my relevant post that it is exclusively about the subject ad hominem. I have addressed your substantive points elsewhere in other posts in this thread and am waiting for an answer. I am really interested in understanding why you have called the rent recovery from a குத்தகைக்காரன் by the resident brahmin of an agraharam a laughable or a despicable practice. You have equated it with a parasitic life (unlike my naxalite friend who used to rightly call the modern day trade union leaders parasites on the innocent helpless labourers). Don't you think the landowner owns an asset(which had some sacrifices involved in acquiring) and just lets it out to a farmer to work on it and earn a living after paying a rent? I had mentioned in my post that modern day investment in stocks and shares is nothing but exploitation if this rent collection is an exploitation. You have not cared to answer this. Would you please do that now? If you do not want to reply, it is okay with me. I can live without that. Thanks.
 
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surprisingly, many of us tambrams, while very cast conscious in tamil nadu, have no issues, living among north indians with banias or sikhs, even though these too eat meat. not sure why this happens?


Dear Kunjs,

Most Norties do not have much idea about South Indians ..they only know 1 word..that is "Madrasi"

But I have noticed that TBs who come to Msia have no problems hanging out with Non Indians who consume pork or beef but have reservations about being friendly with Non Brahmins Tamilians.

Within a few months their Non Indian colleagues would have a very good idea about the Caste system.

Once I was invited to a house of a Non Indian (Beef consuming) woman for a wedding and she said for Hindus she has prepared chicken dish..I told her I am a vegetarian and she remarked 'Oh you must be a high caste Hindu cos my boss who is a Brahmin from Chennai said only high caste Hindus are vegetarians and the low caste ones are Non Veg"

I told her 'I have no idea about caste..but all I can tell you is I am vegetarian"

So this is what I do not understand..some TBs do not mind being close to even beef and pork eaters and teach them all the basics of the caste system but have problems with Non Brahmin Tamilians.

So at times dont blame the Non Brahmin Tamilian..they might want to avoid TBs cos of this type of behavior.

Frankly speaking I avoid anyone who is caste conscious whether he is Brahmin or Non Brahmin.
 
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Sir,

Suppose one of the resident refuses to cooperate, let us say he starts eating meat, or uses alcohol what is power you have to evict such a person. So do explore it little more in depth.

In Chennai for example I believe Brahmins do not take meat at home when they are living in a Brahmin neighbourhood...This is my conjecture based on my sample
 
கால பைரவன்;216815 said:
Ref post 101#

Have heard this excuse many times - "That is different. This is different". For a person who complained about being tired of advice on wording, it is quite ironical that the member resorts to the same trick. The member considers usage of the word "hypocrite" as inappropriate but if one were to use "blinded with hypocrisy" that becomes acceptable. Member TKS, whom I respect, raised a similar question. Accusing others repeatedly of practising hypocrisy is not different from calling one a hypocrite. There is whole thread dedicated to calling members of this forum as "hypocrites".So much for taking a stand against ad hominem.

Sri KB -

You always tend to provide detailed and reasoned debating points in your posts.

The problem engaging with some is that they want to bring gutter talk, accusations, caste-based prejudice, direct name calling (e.g., imbecile, imbecile caucus etc) and other nonsense (HS) into their posts forcing anyone engaged to respond. Then the game is to 'play victim', ' poor me' .. 'I am the only one civil here', 'cant we just debate', 'I challenge you' ' dont tell to me directly what to do' ' why shadow boxing instead of having courage to address me' etc ..

If one were to look at this from a distance it is actually humorous and sad at the same time...

Regards
 
Dear Kunjs,

Most Norties do not have much idea about South Indians ..they only know 1 word..that is "Madrasi"

But I have noticed that TBs who come to Msia have no problems hanging out with Non Indians who consume pork or beef but have reservations about being friendly with Non Brahmins Tamilians.

Within a few months their Non Indian colleagues would have a very good idea about the Caste system.

Once I was invited to a house of a Non Indian (Beef consuming) woman for a wedding and she said for Hindus she has prepared chicken dish..I told her I am a vegetarian and she remarked 'Oh you must be a high caste Hindu cos my boss who is a Brahmin from Chennai said only high caste Hindus are vegetarians and the low caste ones are Non Veg"

I told her 'I have no idea about caste..but all I can tell you is I am vegetarian"

So this is what I do not understand..some TBs do not mind being close to even beef and pork eaters and teach them all the basics of the caste system but have problems with Non Brahmin Tamilians.

So at times dont blame the Non Brahmin Tamilian..they might want to avoid TBs cos of this type of behavior.

Frankly speaking I avoid anyone who is caste conscious whether he is Brahmin or Non Brahmin.

Renu I am not going to justify TB elitist attitude at all but I have a good idea from observation and from expat family friends who are TB and NI. Generally the TB expatriates to Msia and s'pore are very highly skilled and educated and work in places like Citi, Siemens and other foreign banks or even specialist doctors (as you may know UH also has specialists from India, whether TB or not, I dunno, just see their names in the local papers sometimes) So in mostly the only Malaysians who work hand in hand with these TB and other Indian expats are the Chinese and Malays. Still very few local Malaysian Indians have these creme de la creme jobs. So naturally the TB will interact more with the Malay and Chinese while thinking all Malaysian Indians are like their workplace cleaners and so on (actually even cleaning is replaced by Bangladeshis and Indonesians) So the exposure to Malaysian Indians in these high end jobs is still very limited.
 
Renu I am not going to justify TB elitist attitude at all but I have a good idea from observation and from expat family friends who are TB and NI. Generally the TB expatriates to Msia and s'pore are very highly skilled and educated and work in places like Citi, Siemens and other foreign banks or even specialist doctors (as you may know UH also has specialists from India, whether TB or not, I dunno, just see their names in the local papers sometimes) So in mostly the only Malaysians who work hand in hand with these TB and other Indian expats are the Chinese and Malays. Still very few local Malaysian Indians have these creme de la creme jobs. So naturally the TB will interact more with the Malay and Chinese while thinking all Malaysian Indians are like their workplace cleaners and so on (actually even cleaning is replaced by Bangladeshis and Indonesians) So the exposure to Malaysian Indians in these high end jobs is still very limited.

Dear Amala,

Surprised to read this..guess you have been away too long.

I am sure you are aware that Indians here hold high professional post esp the Doctors,Engineers,Lawyers and Accountants..throw a stone and it will surely fall on an Indian professional.

Most of my Indian doc friends are head of departments in Government hospital.

My brother himself is a state director in his government sector.

You have to attend Malaysian Medical Association meetings and see that majority docs there are Indians.

Ok back to the story..we did have a few TB docs from India who taught many Non Indian nurses about the caste system until the nurses started asking us about caste!LOL

I still remember the nurse telling me that Doc so and so said she is high caste and the rest here are low caste (Pariah).

This is not the first time in a hospital I have heard this.

Even my cousin who works as a CEO says the TBs at their company are very caste conscious and does not like to hang out with fellow same rank NB Tamil office mates.

But surprisingly any other Brahmin from India seems fine.

I personally know many North Indian Brahmin guys who married South Indian Non Brahmin Tamil girls here and are interact so well with everyone.

So as I said earlier ..the TB only has a problem with a Non TB Tamilian.

I wonder why??
 
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.... they want to bring gutter talk, accusations, caste-based prejudice, direct name calling (e.g., imbecile, imbecile caucus etc) and other nonsense (HS) into their posts forcing anyone engaged to respond. Then the game is to 'play victim', ' poor me' .. 'I am the only one civil here', 'cant we just debate', 'I challenge you' ' dont tell to me directly what to do' ' why shadow boxing instead of having courage to address me' etc ..
Mr. tks,

I already said I was done with this back-and-forth, but I am going to make one more post, addressed directly to you. If we go back and review the exchanges we have had everyone will see that more or less your point is I don't have the prerequisites to have a discussion with you. This has been the case all along. This is the reason I started calling you an imbecile. I should have kept my cool, but it was a case of lack of judgment and for that I apologize.

At the same time, I ask you to look at the kind of language you use. To KB's remark that my argument was bull shit you responded that it is really horse shit. Were you not the one who said we kiss each other's arses, or perhaps you said we have our heads up inside our arses. Anyway, you get the point. Any of this qualify as gutter talk?

Contrary to your accusations, I don't play victim of anything. I can hold my own. Bring it on. The problem is you never bring it on. It is all about meta-data discussion, never the content.

Yes I do challenge you to come to the point. I want a debate, not name calling. Go back and review the exchanges in this thread starting with post #69. All the invectives have come from KB whose arguments seem detailed and reasonable to you, which is fine, you have the right to your POV. But, each one of his point is a made up point, not what I said. It goes somewhat like, I say X and KB would say I really meant Y -- as if he can see what is really in my head -- and therefore what I am saying is bull shit and I am a hypocrite and Brahmin bashing hatemonger. If I point this out I am whining.

Another exasperating aspect of these exchanges is the gross false equivalency. Calling me a hatemonger is the same as I telling KB that his anger is blinding him. To you guys criticizing Brahminism is the same as hating each and every Brahmin, disagreeing with your POV means we are incapable of reason.

Anyway, I am willing to let bygones be bygones, I pledge to be extra careful and not to make personal references to any of the posters. But I reject the notion that general criticism of Brahminism or the practices of Brahmin community is ipso facto ad hominem attacks on every Brahmin.

I am always ready for vigorous debates, I have had several with KRS, Saidevo, Anand, and even zebra, so it is possible. But we need two to tango. I think you are a bright guy and we can have many interesting arguments, if only you will let yourself have one. We don't have to agree to be friends, all we need is respect for each other. From my side I am ready to turn a new leaf.
 
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Sri KB -

You always tend to provide detailed and reasoned debating points in your posts.

The problem engaging with some is that they want to bring gutter talk, accusations, caste-based prejudice, direct name calling (e.g., imbecile, imbecile caucus etc) and other nonsense (HS) into their posts forcing anyone engaged to respond. Then the game is to 'play victim', ' poor me' .. 'I am the only one civil here', 'cant we just debate', 'I challenge you' ' dont tell to me directly what to do' ' why shadow boxing instead of having courage to address me' etc ..

If one were to look at this from a distance it is actually humorous and sad at the same time...

Regards

Just an observation.
And then the lion said to the fleetest gazelle here is a carrot, please go in peace you seem like a nice dear. I have lived peacefully with all the dead gazelles, I only have a problem with your little brother, so let me deal with him.
 
Dear Shri Gane

If you want to make your children to stay in agraharam type, kindly visit the school Sri kanchi Maha Swami Vidya Mandir , East Tambaram, Chennai.There you can see CBSE with Vedic education especially only for brahmins. You also can enter into the website SriKanchimahaswamvidyamandir.org
 
not a crime.But the meaning of agraharams have completely changed nowadays. For example I was born in kodianthoppu agraharam in pallathur near karaikkudi,but today it is called kodianthopu street,because only 10 brahmin families are living instead of 50 previously.the community is separating itself from joint living to live in spearodically.
 
Just an observation.
And then the lion said to the fleetest gazelle here is a carrot, please go in peace you seem like a nice dear. I have lived peacefully with all the dead gazelles, I only have a problem with your little brother, so let me deal with him.

Truly Laughing out Loud :-)
 
Reference Post 118

OK, Mr Nara

Rather than going over point by point what I meant in your post let me forget that and interpret your message as a sincere attempt to be a new leaf.

Regards
 
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