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Brahmins eating non-vegeterian

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It is our way of life style being vegtrn

DearDinesh,

I am also feel the way you feel and I am proud about youand your parents who brought you such a way. These misbehaviors of Brahmins andothers are mentioned in Soothasamhithai. I have seen Brahmins eating non vegand involve in other activities which we should not do. They are gaining theirsins by these.
As a Brahmin family live in Canada with my 2 children who are still vegetarianand learned some slokams and help at temple in special pooja time if theiruniversity time permits. They still pay attention in ingredients whenever webuy anything in the store. I thank God for blessing us. We can pray God forblessing others to live with duties and behaviors what they should follow.

Aum Namahsvayah
lingasamy iyer
 
Hello Friends, My name is Sudhanshu Sharma. I am a Bhumihar Brahmin from North Indian State of Bihar. Currently I m studying in VIT, Vellore. I like Tamil Brahmins and in that case South India as they are the precise forebearers and preservers of our Glourious Vedic & Hindu Past. Even though in North India, Brahmins are not synonymous to Strict Vegetarianism, God-Grace I m vegetarian.
 
Hello Friends, My name is Sudhanshu Sharma. I am a Bhumihar Brahmin from North Indian State of Bihar. Currently I m studying in VIT, Vellore. I like Tamil Brahmins and in that case South India as they are the precise forebearers and preservers of our Glourious Vedic & Hindu Past. Even though in North India, Brahmins are not synonymous to Strict Vegetarianism, God-Grace I m vegetarian.

Dear Sudhanshu,

Hi..welcome to Forum..Keep on posting.
 
If a vegetarian switches to NV, he should be careful to know whether his system (inherited) will agree to it. People do develop stomach ulcer which of course can be cured by medicine and sometimes cannot be. The subject comes up again and again; because of neo-Brahmins? The question arises whether one wants to be Brahmin or a non-vegetarian. It does not hurt a Brahmin if somebody is a non-vegetarian. But IT DOES HURT a non-vegetarian if Brahmin does not eat non-veg. WHY?

Bharathiar and Bharathidaasan were going on a stroll. Midway the later told Bharathiar his hunger pinches, but.... "I do not eat non-veg, but you can very well go and eat and then join me" said Bharathiar.
 
S/shri. Dinesh Chandrasekharan, S. Chandrasekharan, L.S. Sarma, Amoghvarsha,

Respected members,

This may be treated as a continuation of post # 20 above from me.

It is one's individual choice whether he/she is a strict vegetarian, a lacto-veg, eggetarian or full non-vegetarian or even steadfast anti-vegetarian who eschews anything other than meat as food. But the fact is that this food-habit has no connection to a person's character or conduct. The concept of the three gunas - satva, rajas & tamas - was a new invention in samkhya philosophy which is very much later than the vedas which first talks about the four castes or varnas (though there is no mention at all to whether these four are castes or varnas in the earliest mention of this in the Purushasukta in the rigveda, X chapter. There it is said like this:—

"The Brahman was born from the mouth of Prajapati; the Kshatriya, from His arms; the Vaisya, from His thighs; and the Sudra sprang from His feet.The Brahman was born from the mouth of Prajapati; the Kshatriya, from His arms; the Vaisya, from His thighs; and the Sudra sprang from His feet."

The notions of sātvik, rājasik and tāmasik foods is a later addition to the brahmin way of life. The book "The myth of the holy cow" by D.N. Jha did bring out the facts but the then government of India was not favourably disposed to the book.

The much-maligned Manusmriti itself permits meat-eating as part of vedic sacrifices to gods and the manes. The Dharmasastras also hold the same or similar views. Even as late as the twentieth century, there were Deekshitars among smarta Tabras who had performed the somayaga and other yagas (in order to qualify for the title "Deekshita" or one who has successfully completed Yagadeeksha), who had eaten the sacrificial goat's meat. In earlier times this meat used to be prepared into tasty bajjis etc., and was relished.

The virtue of vegetarianism seems to have been adopted, especially, in South India because the jain monks who were here already were sworn not only to vegetarianism but also to many finicky rules regarding food and eating. The concept of satvik foods etc., is also a borrowal from the jains. Adoption of these restrictions possibly enabled the Hindu brahmins to gain the social status as exemplary caste (varna) among the lay public.

Hence, there is no great religious virtue or benefit in avoiding non-vegetarian food; the questions about the hygienic, health etc., aspects of meat-food is a different issue. If anyone avoids meat food on the basis of "prevention of cruelty to other living beings" it is equally apt that such persons avoid milk (to ensure that the calves get their due nourishment), honey, using silk clothes, tiger skins, the "mounjee" - a piece of black-buck's skin tied to the sacred thread of bachelors, and so on.

Let our appreciation of the vegetarian virtue and condemnation of gen-next brahmin teenagers who eat meat foods, be conditioned by the above knowledge.
 
I am vegetarian, but I think it is an individual's choice. vegetarians are neither superior or inferior to non-vegetarians.
I agree with Mr. Sangom's post # 131.
There can be dharmic Non-vegetarian as well as adharmic vegetarian.
 
The concept of satvik foods etc., is also a borrowal from the jains.

Dear Sangom ji,

I thought the concept of Sattvic/Rajasic/Tamasic food was stated clearly in the Geeta itself much before the existence of Jainism.
May be the definition of Sattvik food has changed over the years.

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Foods in the mode of goodness increase the duration of life, purify one's existence and give strength, health, happiness and satisfaction. Such nourishing foods are sweet, juicy, fatty and palatable. Foods that are too bitter, too sour, salty, pungent, dry and hot, are liked by people in the modes of passion. Such foods cause pain, distress, and disease. Food cooked more than three hours before being eaten, which is tasteless, stale, putrid, decomposed and unclean, is food liked by people in the mode of ignorance.

Bhagavad Gita As It Is, 17: The Divisions of Faith, Text 8-10.

In those days there was no refrigerators..so food had to be eaten fast and cooked right away.
Going by that even frozen food will be considered Tamasic.

BTW I have always noted a tinge or sometimes even overdoses of "superiority feeling" in most vegetarians especially newly turned vegetarians.

Most of them tend to look down upon those who eat non veg.

I wonder why they never realize that looking down upon another is NOT a Sattva quality.
 
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Dear Sangom ji,

I thought the concept of Sattvic/Rajasic/Tamasic food was stated clearly in the Geeta itself much before the existence of Jainism.
May be the definition of Sattvik food has changed over the years.

The Samkhya darsana is cited in the gita. Hence samkhya is antecedent to gita. The concept of the three gunas is a contribution of samkhya but jainism has had much of give and take with hinduism in the past (actually purana writing may have first started with the jains, imo.). While all this possibly did not affect the eating habits of the brahmins of north india, in the south, the brahmins had to compete with the jain monks & munis. I was referring only to the state of affairs in the south.

In those days there was no refrigerators..so food had to be eaten fast and cooked right away.
Going by that even frozen food will be considered Tamasic.

According to the dharma sastras cooked food which is more than 2 naazhikais (48 minutes) old, should not be eaten by a real brahmin who claims to uphold brahminism. I have known one Iyengar colleague of mine who wanted his meals just steaming hot; the poor wife had to cook morning and evening! But the feloow upheld brahminism in this respect alone; he would drink and had no other brahminic daily routine. ;)

BTW I have always noted a tinge or sometimes even overdoses of "superiority feeling" in most vegetarians especially newly turned vegetarians.

Most of them tend to look down upon those who eat non veg.

I wonder why they never realize that looking down upon another is NOT a Sattva quality.

People who claim to uphold some religious virtue, be it vegetarianism, brahminism of the concerned individuals own brand, bhakti, devotion to some guru/godman/swami, etc., first attain intolerance to their fondly held beliefs. This is what we find in the jihadists also, but the difference is that the destructive ability of the jihadist can really strike and kill anyone anywhere anytime, but the hindu/brahminic jihadists will not have the courage to go beyond mouthing very off-putting words and posts in safe forums like tbf. But this intolerance manifests as a feeling of superiority outwardly.

I have only seen this intolerance grow steadily as the person aged till, finally, he/she could not take any sane observation even with balance of mind. Iskcon devotees are a good example; they just cannot accept that even vishnu is equal to Krishna as they become more staunch iskconites!
 
Since this post is discussing the food we take, I would like to post a quote from David Godman's writing of Sri Ramana Maharishi's teaching. Below is an excerpt from the book Be as you are (page 192 under the "Life in the world" chapter) --

Q: What about diet?
A: Food affects the mind. For the practice of any kind of yoga, vegetarianism is absolutely necessary since it makes the mind more sattvic [pure and harmonious].
Q: Could one receive spiritual illumination while eating flesh foods?
A: Yes, but abandon them gradually and accustom yourself to sattvic foods. However, once you have attained illumination it will make less difference what you eat, as, on a great fire, it is immaterial what fuel is added.
Q: We Europeans are accustomed to a particular diet and a change of diet affects the health and weakens the mind. Is it not necessary to keep up one's physical health?
A: Quite necessary. The weaker the body the stronger the mind grows.
Q: In the absence of our usual diet our health suffers and the mind loses strength.
A: What do you mean by strength of mind?
Q: The power to eliminate worldly attachment.
A: The quality of food influences the mind. The mind feeds on the food consumed.
Q: Really! Then how can Europeans adjust themselves to sattvic food only?
A: Habit is only adjustment to the environment. It is the mind that matters. The fact is that the mind has been trained to think certain foods tasty and good. The food material is to be had both in 205
vegetarian and non-vegetarian diet equally well. But the mind desires such food as it is accustomed to and considers tasty.
Q: Are there restrictions for the realized man with regard to food?
A: No. He is steady and not influenced by the food he takes.
Q: Is it not killing life to prepare meat diet?
A: Ahimsa [non-violence] stands foremost in the code of discipline for the yogis.
Q: Even plants have life.
A: So too the slabs you sit on!
Q: May we gradually get ourselves accustomed to vegetarian food?
A: Yes. That is the way.
Q: Is it harmless to continue smoking?
A: No, for tobacco is a poison. It is better to do without it. It is good that you have given up smoking. Men are enslaved by tobacco and cannot give it up. But tobacco only gives a temporary stimulation to which there must be a reaction with craving for more. It is also not good for meditation practice.
Q: Do you recommend that meat and alcoholic drinks be given up?
A: It is advisable to give them up because this abstention is a useful aid for beginners. The difficulty in surrendering them does not arise because they are really necessary, but merely because we have become inured by custom and habit to them.
Q: Generally speaking, what are the rules of conduct which an aspirant should follow? 206
A: Moderation in food, moderation in sleep and moderation in speech.

Posting it here because it is very hard to accept the fact that food doesn't have any bearing on one's mind. Though it doesn't make much difference for a Jnani, for a spiritual aspirant it does make a difference. One can always argue from a "brahminism" perspective, but it is not difficult to see the reason behind it.

PS: I'm sure everybody here knows about Sri Ramana Maharishi, but David Godman has been living in Thiruvannamalai for the past several decades exclusively writing Ramana's teachings. Just to point out the authenticity of the writing.

Regards.
 
Dear friends,
Children should be taught culture at the young age itself. We should upanayanam for boys latest at 11 if not at 9. 7 or 8 will be the best age. We shd. insist them to do sandya vandanam at that age itself. Before upanayanam , right from the age of 3, they shd. be made sit before the lamp in the morning and sandhya kalam and teach them small stotras, etc. Parents should avoid onion, etc. on the prescribed days. Like that if we strictly follow and adhere to these principles and pray God it will be successful.
 
In ancient times we have references that Brahmins did noteat non vegetarian because they did perform less hard work (toiling) such as priests, counselors to king andteachers. People such as blacksmith, farmers and soldiers eat Non vegetarian food. Now days , Brahmins work skills are not justthose in the ancient times and world has changed. Brahmins from Calcutta eat fish today andfish was not even considered as non-vegetarian food over there. Food can bebased type of work because you can burn the fat after your full course. I donot see any references in Hindu texts that Brahmins eating non-vegetarian are consideredas sin. If you know some, please bring them in this conversation and I wouldlike to know them as well. People workin IT field does not need to eat non-vegetarian food to get their protein orvitamins but it purely their personal choice and according to me it is nothingto do being Brahmin. We can talk about drinking too in similar context.
:)
 
Dear friends, I also fully agree with this. It is one's desire and will power to achieve his desire.
Scientifically, the reason is that reciting mantras would provoke heat in the body and the non-veg. foods are also quite hot in nature and thus our body becomes so hot which becomes the cause for so many harmonal imbalances.
Very true, TBS Sir. My son and many of our nephews and nieces are settled in the U S of A, with their families and all of them are

vegetarians and teetotallers. V R maam two sons and families are vegans. It is easy to be a vegan there, since many soy products

are available, to replace milk and dairy products! :)
 
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Dear friends, I also fully agree with this. It is one's desire and will power to achieve his desire.
Scientifically, the reason is that reciting mantras would provoke heat in the body and the non-veg. foods are also quite hot in nature and thus our body becomes so hot which becomes the cause for so many harmonal imbalances.
Very true, TBS Sir. My son and many of our nephews and nieces are settled in the U S of A, with their families and all of them are

vegetarians and teetotallers. V R maam two sons and families are vegans. It is easy to be a vegan there, since many soy products

are available, to replace milk and dairy products! :)
 
Food habit of any community is gnereally dictated by the avilability of food stocks. Still at coastal places, fish is considered as vegetarian since it is abundantly available. For example, brahmins of Bengal and those living in coastal Maharashtra (Konkanast brahmin) eat fish.

Brahmins are generally vegetartian, and it is advisable and desirable that Brahmins should avaoid eating egg and/or non-veg. Nowadays some people started eating egg on doctor's advice.
 
One of the best thing Hinduism or rather any Indian( Dharmic) religion can teach to world is syncretism and adoption of good values from other race,religions,beliefs and faiths. If we follow our Dharmashastras orthodoxly we will become like Jihadis. We need to know that even our scriptures talk about apad dharma( Dharma at distress time) and change of rules with change of time. For eg:- Devotion is best way to please the Lord in Kaliyug and Yagyas are of little importance in our times. Some rules are for eternity which always hold ground like "Satyam Vadah Dharmam charah" which all religions and faiths will sanctify, but in certain cases speaking false also does good for Larger benefit. If we are rigid on these outer rituals and followings we will sooner become "mild Jihadis" and loose the main purpose of our religion. Being Vegetarian makes you feel good but it doesn't necessarily makes you superior to Non-Vegans.
If Pi doesn't eat fish in sea, he dies. So his eating fish is not bad. Preservation of Body is very essential for performing devotion and pooja for body is the house of our soul. One of the best examples of non-vegeterianism of Brahmins is given in Mahabharata in which Ilval and vatapi-2 demon brothers used to invite Brahmins and serve vatapi as goat meat and when they used to finish Ilval using his "Vidya" used to call "Vatapi Come Out" and Vatapi used to come out of their stomach instantly killing many Brahmins. Like this these brothers killed many Brahmins. Then Agastya Rishi accepted the challenge and digested the "Vatapi-Goat" in his stomach for him never to come out. This shows that ancient Indians including Brahmins and our Lords such as Lord Rama. Even Lord Buddha also accepted meat in Kushinagar before his Nirvana in a house of a Blacksmith.
Being Vegetarian as far as I can think from my small mind is not a necessary pre-requisite for enlightment or devotion. I am a vegetarian( in Indian sense) and I don't eat meat just for one reason that " I don't like it". Apart from this other reasons may play time-to-time, but those are not as important as the above one. But I will not hate any person just coz he is a Non-Vegetarian. In the end I would like to quote Osho that " Killing animals just for your taste looks ugly".
May Supreme Lord provide me and world a good sense.
 
Question of who preceding who is very hard to make out but I would like to point to a fact that Chhandogya Upanishad( One of the oldest Mukhya Upanishad) and Mahabharata extoll Ahimsa for living beings. Now we cann't say precisely whether these references are due to Jainism or an independent instruction, ancient Indians although mostly Non-Vegetarians and many kings being polygamous had a concept Ahimsa as well as admiration for monogamy. Now we cann't say that people or ascetics before Jainism were all Non-Vegans. But jainism took the concept of Ahimsa and vegetarianism to forefront. And here lies the importance of jainism that it influenced many faiths in India in favour of Vegetarianism. And we should give them their due credit.
In North India, people have been eating non-veg due to availability of food like in Kashmir, Pandits are known for preparing variety of Goat meat products and so many posts here have already mentioned about Bengali and Sarswat Brahmins. Even in my native Bihar, North Bihari Maithil Brahmins are mostly non vegetarians mostly relishing fish as there are so many rivers in North Bihar-Although This place is birthplace of Mahavira and intense area of activity of Jainism, Buddhism, Ashtavakra, Uddalaka, Yajnavalkya , janaka ,Vishwamitra,etc!!!! and yet most people here are non-vegetarians and Bihar today is known for its intense violence and crime rates.
Imagine what will happen to Lord Buddha and Mahavira if they see the state of this place now.
But God-grace I am vegetarian and I like to be like that.
 
Dear Sri.DINESH CHANDRASEKHARAN,

There is nothing wrong if brahmins eat Non-Veg. food. Only criteria is SATWIC GUNA. But it is not possible now-a-days to be satvic.

Regards and Namaskaram,

P.R. Radhakrishnan
 
Dear Sri.DINESH CHANDRASEKHARAN,

There is nothing wrong if brahmins eat Non-Veg. food. Only criteria is SATWIC GUNA. But it is not possible now-a-days to be satvic.

Regards and Namaskaram,

P.R. Radhakrishnan

Dear Sir,

One of the criteria of Sattva Guna is compassion to animals.

So how does Sattva and still eating Non Veg go hand in hand?

A person should have love for animals as not to hurt them and respect them and not kill them for meals and not look down upon animals if he/she wants to thread the spiritual path be it Brahmin or Non Brahmin.
 
Dear Sri.DINESH CHANDRASEKHARAN,

There is nothing wrong if brahmins eat Non-Veg. food. Only criteria is SATWIC GUNA. But it is not possible now-a-days to be satvic.

Regards and Namaskaram,

P.R. Radhakrishnan

Why must one call themselves a Brahmins, and eat non-vegetarian food?
It is like being a prostitute and claiming to be a virgin.
 
Why must one call themselves a Brahmins, and eat non-vegetarian food?
It is like being a prostitute and claiming to be a virgin.

That is an insulting remark. That is your only criterion? One can commit murder, give up his culture, his country but still be a Brahmin if he is a vegetarian (by your definition).

There are millions of Brahmins in India who would be more than happy to give up the caste. But once you are born to Brahmin parents, you are a Brahmin. You are branded. You do not have to make a claim. You have no choice. You seem to think it is an honour to be a Brahmin. In today's India it is a Yoke around your neck.
 
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A certain type of behaviour is expected out of those who are born as Brahmins. That includes shunning meat. Ahimsa and Jiva Kaarunyaa are a must for Brahmins. I am glad to be a vegetarian and a Brahmin.:D
 
That is an insulting remark. That is your only criterion? One can commit murder, give up his culture, his country but still be a Brahmin if he is a vegetarian (by your definition).

There are millions of Brahmins in India who would be more than happy to give up the caste. But once you are born to Brahmin parents, you are a Brahmin. You are branded. You do not have to make a claim. You have no choice. You seem to think it is an honour to be a Brahmin. In today's India it is a Yoke around your neck.

If you are insulted in being called a brahmin, do not boast about it here on this site. No body asked your caste. If you want the privilege of being a brahmin be one. If you want the handout be a dalit by all means. So please spare me the lectures. If you are an accidental brahmin (a birth), and not by deed you are not a Brahmin by definition. You still might be classified brahmin in secular world. I am talking about spiritual brahmins.
 
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