So. You are a spiritual Brahmin. Other who calls other Brahmins "It is like being a prostitute and claiming to be a virgin." because they do not conform to your definition of a Brahmin. Who gave you this right? And You claim to be spiritual. "It is like being a prostitute and claiming to be a virgin."
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Brahmins eating non-vegeterian
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So. You are a spiritual Brahmin. Other who calls other Brahmins "It is like being a prostitute and claiming to be a virgin." because they do not conform to your definition of a Brahmin. Who gave you this right? And You claim to be spiritual. "It is like being a prostitute and claiming to be a virgin."
prasad1
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Mr. Nachi,
You are making it personal, please grow up. The forum is discussing a point of view. Obviously you missed the point and attacking me personally.
You want to eat meat be my guest. You want to be a chandala be my guest. To me it does not matter.
I do not need your permission to express my opinion, if you do not like it you can always ignore it.
You are making it personal, please grow up. The forum is discussing a point of view. Obviously you missed the point and attacking me personally.
You want to eat meat be my guest. You want to be a chandala be my guest. To me it does not matter.
I do not need your permission to express my opinion, if you do not like it you can always ignore it.
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Mr. Prasad,
It is time that you learn to use civil terms in this forum. You behavior is childish to say the least. Your language is not civilized.
However you may argue for vegetarianism you can not call Brahmins who take non-Vegtarian food as "It is like being a prostitute and claiming to be a virgin."
Who do you think you are. GOD? Who are you to judge Brahmins like Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, the entire community of Brahmins in Bengal and Kashmir and call them such vile names.
I have been called a Chandala in this forum years back. It is an honour.
I do not care what matters to you. But what matters is that you use uncivilized language in this forum. Stop that.
It is time that you learn to use civil terms in this forum. You behavior is childish to say the least. Your language is not civilized.
However you may argue for vegetarianism you can not call Brahmins who take non-Vegtarian food as "It is like being a prostitute and claiming to be a virgin."
Who do you think you are. GOD? Who are you to judge Brahmins like Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, the entire community of Brahmins in Bengal and Kashmir and call them such vile names.
I have been called a Chandala in this forum years back. It is an honour.
I do not care what matters to you. But what matters is that you use uncivilized language in this forum. Stop that.
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Let us not take the point of discussion to the level of casting aspersions on others.Each one has a right to have his own views and express them too.It is for others either to agree with them or disagree in a way that it doesn't offend the person concerned.
It ignores the fact that even today, there are brahmins from East India who do consume meat. It does not mean that they aren't hindus! In fact, those who worship forms of Shakti would consider the consumption of meat as a part of their religious practices! Bengali brahmins have eaten fish for several years!
Moreover, goat sacrifice was a norm in the pujas conducted by Bengalis. The only restriction on their diet for several years was that although a Bengali brahmin could eat mutton, he would not eat chicken...neither would he perform sacrifices of chickens.....QUOTE from S.CHAKRABOTHY a BENGALI BRAHMIN.. This does not mean thar I am a non.veg. However, I am a semi veg who used to rake eggs, onion, Garlic, Etc. which my wife and her house people do not take. Even now I take onions and Garlic but has stopped taking eggs. It is better to avoid even other such vegetables since it is said it will increase RAJO GUNA as perSouth Indian and Ayurvedic principles.
Regards and Namaskarams,
P.R.RADHAKRISHNAN
Moreover, goat sacrifice was a norm in the pujas conducted by Bengalis. The only restriction on their diet for several years was that although a Bengali brahmin could eat mutton, he would not eat chicken...neither would he perform sacrifices of chickens.....QUOTE from S.CHAKRABOTHY a BENGALI BRAHMIN.. This does not mean thar I am a non.veg. However, I am a semi veg who used to rake eggs, onion, Garlic, Etc. which my wife and her house people do not take. Even now I take onions and Garlic but has stopped taking eggs. It is better to avoid even other such vegetables since it is said it will increase RAJO GUNA as perSouth Indian and Ayurvedic principles.
Regards and Namaskarams,
P.R.RADHAKRISHNAN
Life is short; death is forthcoming..any time.We should live life fully in the present.
Body consciousness should be there. A healthier body helps us focus towards spiritual goals. Cleanliness is important.Hence, all these concepts are interwoven into our daily rituals.
Avoid non veg for these reasons: (i) it dulls one's brain (ii) people on veg exhibit more vitality(iii) side effects are more in non veg (iv) last but not the least, we, as a living being eating another living being amounts to being cannibal
I believe in only one community: not just human, it is living beings community
Body consciousness should be there. A healthier body helps us focus towards spiritual goals. Cleanliness is important.Hence, all these concepts are interwoven into our daily rituals.
Avoid non veg for these reasons: (i) it dulls one's brain (ii) people on veg exhibit more vitality(iii) side effects are more in non veg (iv) last but not the least, we, as a living being eating another living being amounts to being cannibal
I believe in only one community: not just human, it is living beings community
Dear Sri. Prasad, Greetings.
Nobody has provided any specific regulations for Brahmins. What ever everyone follows is just customs and personal choices only. One may not talk ill of anyone if he/she choose to consume non-vegetarian food. If a Brahmin looking guy with respect to outward appearance calls himself a Brahmin while he is munching on a roast leg of lamb, then it is just the case of "a brahmin guy eating meat while calls himself a brahmin"; that's all. Nothing more or nothing less.
He can not be compared to female sex worker who calls herself a virgin. If some one brahmin or not, meat eater or not, gets offended by such a remark, then you may have to retract your comment since your message had offended someone.
Moreover, a sex worker has all the rights in the world to call herself a 'virgin'. There is nothing wrong with that either. A sex worker can very well be a virgin by her own standards.
In my opinion, in your message you have not only offended someone by your remark about meat-eating brahmin, you also have made a slighting remark about a sex worker. Kindly believe me, a sex worker can very well be a virgin.
Cheers!
Nobody has provided any specific regulations for Brahmins. What ever everyone follows is just customs and personal choices only. One may not talk ill of anyone if he/she choose to consume non-vegetarian food. If a Brahmin looking guy with respect to outward appearance calls himself a Brahmin while he is munching on a roast leg of lamb, then it is just the case of "a brahmin guy eating meat while calls himself a brahmin"; that's all. Nothing more or nothing less.
He can not be compared to female sex worker who calls herself a virgin. If some one brahmin or not, meat eater or not, gets offended by such a remark, then you may have to retract your comment since your message had offended someone.
Moreover, a sex worker has all the rights in the world to call herself a 'virgin'. There is nothing wrong with that either. A sex worker can very well be a virgin by her own standards.
In my opinion, in your message you have not only offended someone by your remark about meat-eating brahmin, you also have made a slighting remark about a sex worker. Kindly believe me, a sex worker can very well be a virgin.
Cheers!
PrasadJi,
So Kashmiri Pandits, Nepali Brahmins, Assamese, Bengali and GSB (konkani) do not conform to your SI Brahmin vegetarian diet. Are they all not Brahmins anymore? I'm very surprised by your opinion considering how you were raised in the North and so would be more familiar with these lot.
So Kashmiri Pandits, Nepali Brahmins, Assamese, Bengali and GSB (konkani) do not conform to your SI Brahmin vegetarian diet. Are they all not Brahmins anymore? I'm very surprised by your opinion considering how you were raised in the North and so would be more familiar with these lot.
prasad1
Active member
By your own definition I did not offend any one, I dod not offend the sex worker nor the Brahmin. So what is to retract. If you feel offended then it is your own problem. My intention was not to insult. If I say a brutal man acts like an animal, is it a insult to the man or the animal?
My point was to say that it is incomprehensible to say that satvic predominant person, will be knowingly cruel to animals.
If you happen to an accidental Brahmin caste, that does not make you a satvic person.
You do have to understand that I do not believe in caste by birth. I believe that your personality is defined by your actions. Your opinion may be different than mine. That is ok.
If you take it as an insult, then it becomes one.
If I say a stanza from Bahja Govindam
bhaja govindam bhaja govindam
bhaja govindam müãhamate,
I am not calling you Mooda, but you may mistakenly take it as an insult. Is that my fault?
Having said that I will say that My statement could have been reworded. If someone felt that way, they should have sent me a PM, because now it is too late after all these public posting.
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prasad1
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Amalaji,
The point of view depends on where you are standing.
If you believe that a persons status in life is determined by birth alone then your point of view is correct.
My opinion is that your personality is defined by your action then it is different. I am not trying to get some job, or admission because of my birth. I am what I am because of my actions. If I eat meat, kill cow, murder innocent people, my personality is altered, I am no longer a brahmin with satvic gunas. I guess in the modern day interpretation of caste system I can still call myself as Brahmin just because of birth, but it should not be.
I am very familier with all those regional differences. I am also aware that SI brahmins who eat meat because they have done Yagams. To me they all are human beings, and I have no problem with that.
I can call anything I want, but how I am perceived by others is beyond my control.
For instance I can call my self Indian, and I can get away with it 90% of the time and I have every justification as I carry OCI card, but I am American Citizen, so I should be classified as American. There are no hard and fast rules.
If you read the origin of caste in India people were allowed to move from one caste to another in the past. Even some of the Greek invaders who stayed back in India, called themselves as Brahmins. The Nagar Brahmins of Gujarat trace their ancestry to Greeks.
Dear Sri. Prasad, Greetings.
It is never too late to reword your posting in the public forum. If you can't edit your original message, you can always write a new message with your reworded opinion.
I am a simple person. If I say something offensive in the public forum, I usually apologise in the public forum. You are only requested to reword your opinion.
You have a right to express your opinions. But when someone gets offended by your expression, you are obligated to revisit your expression. In this discussion someone has clearly expressed displeasure in your expression. You may not reject that as their problem.
Your opinion about the requirement for a Brahmin is not the issue here. Your comparison to a sex worker seems to be the issue as your expression exhibits slighting of brahmins who also eat meat.
I am not going to be drawn into any debate about meat eating, sattva guna or Acharyal's experiences.
Initially you wanted to say meat eating Brahmin is an oxymoron; possibly to reiterate you mentioned about sex worker and virginity, meaning a virgin sex worker is an oxymoron.
There is no need for that. You wanted to show your displeasure towards any Brahmin who would also meat. I respect your feelings. But comparing such Brahmins to a sex worker could and would offend someone. To make the matters worst, there is no set concrete rules for Brahmins anyway.
Lastly, a sex worker who is also a virgin is not an oxymoron. In the heat of the moment you may have overlooked it. I can very easily show why a girl could be very experienced sex worker and a virgin at the same time ( applies to male sex worker too).
In my opinion, there is no need for this friction at all.
Cheers!
It is never too late to reword your posting in the public forum. If you can't edit your original message, you can always write a new message with your reworded opinion.
I am a simple person. If I say something offensive in the public forum, I usually apologise in the public forum. You are only requested to reword your opinion.
You have a right to express your opinions. But when someone gets offended by your expression, you are obligated to revisit your expression. In this discussion someone has clearly expressed displeasure in your expression. You may not reject that as their problem.
Your opinion about the requirement for a Brahmin is not the issue here. Your comparison to a sex worker seems to be the issue as your expression exhibits slighting of brahmins who also eat meat.
I am not going to be drawn into any debate about meat eating, sattva guna or Acharyal's experiences.
Initially you wanted to say meat eating Brahmin is an oxymoron; possibly to reiterate you mentioned about sex worker and virginity, meaning a virgin sex worker is an oxymoron.
There is no need for that. You wanted to show your displeasure towards any Brahmin who would also meat. I respect your feelings. But comparing such Brahmins to a sex worker could and would offend someone. To make the matters worst, there is no set concrete rules for Brahmins anyway.
Lastly, a sex worker who is also a virgin is not an oxymoron. In the heat of the moment you may have overlooked it. I can very easily show why a girl could be very experienced sex worker and a virgin at the same time ( applies to male sex worker too).
In my opinion, there is no need for this friction at all.
Cheers!
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renuka
Well-known member
I can understand what Prasad ji really meant...in fact I was wondering when one of the members wrote
You see how is this possible??
Ahmisa is one of the pre requisite of Sattva Guna.
Just let me add no one is 100% Sattva BTW.
But for Tamil Brahmins..so far vegetarianism has been a way of life..we can not compare and contrast with other Brahmins here cos each Brahmin from each state has their own Dharma and life style.
It's like trying to justify our actions by comparing with another community just to escape on technical grounds.
So I feel it is weird to read that it is Ok to eat Non veg but the only requirement is to be Sattva.
It does not make sense.
Prasad ji,
You know its funny about the Sex and Virginity..cos some might be still virgins and provide service too.
it all depends on what type of service they are providing.
So if the service they are providing does not meet the legal definition of sex...(remember Clinton Lewinski case..how he got out on technical grounds?)... so for practical purposes one can still be a indulging in "activity" and yet remain a virgin on technical grounds.
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prasad1
Active member
Ok my simile was more than correct than what I thought, LOL.
renuka
Well-known member
Yes I fully agree to this.
I think this is what Prasad ji was trying to highlight.
The discussion was about Sattva Guna and Ahimsa towards animals.
The Sex worker/Virgin comparison was just to highlight the above point.
It is just like a murderer saying "I did not kill him cos the Atma does not die"
So..Prasad ji was just trying to draw attention to his post and point..for God's sake..I do not see any insult in his post!
renuka
Well-known member
Yes Yes you are right..when I read that simile I was thinking "Prasad ji is very innocent..he forgot Clinton Lewinski case"!LOL
My son studies class 7 in an ICSE school in CBE and is the only Brahmin there. We did his Upanayanam at the age of 7+ and he also knows Vishnu sahasranamam full at the age of five.
During Lunch and B'day parties, his veg habit is made fun of and I make it a point to talk with him about the need for a veg diet and the benefits we get by following our practices of doing Sandhi, being veg, etc with scientific reasons as well. There are many examples of veg. persons in the army and Navy, very strong and able in mind and body. The NALS admin in Kovai is a GOOD example of this point.
Being with people who drink and make fun of us is difficult but one has to be 200 % strong in our conviction; then we will be as what we are .!!
I have many relatives in IT field who specifically stick to their roots !!
LET US BE CONVINCED OF OUR BELIEF! THAT's THE ONLY WAY NOW!!
regards
anamika
=Dinesh Chandrasekaran;171362]:help:
Hi all,
Most brahmin teenagers nowadays, started eating non vegeterian.This had drastically increased in brahmin families from all part of the state.I am from coimbatore and i have been to chennai and bangalore as i work in IT.Being a teenager myself have always followed and lived the life of a how a brahmin should be.But,I see a lot of my fellow men drinking along with other colleagues for the sake and to show themselves as they can mix with any kind of people and sometimes for getting promotions they do so.I do believe in a policy that think "It is better to die standing than to live kneeling"!.
I sometimes endup in arguements and atlast i would not be able to give a correct reason for brahmins not eating non vegeterian.I stongly believe that scientific reasons are behind in each and every action that we do and the parents of most of the brahmin families not knowing, end up loosing in arguement with their children and other brahmin haters.So,can anyone help to get this sorted out.Because if we teenagers started practising all the old rituals,customs followed in earlier days,I am sure that we can have a better peaceful life and i do know that, the world moving towards technology,science has influence us more.Moreover, we staying away from home can stop us from doing the basic karma but will not stop us completely.So,stil basic things like sandhyavandhanam and gayathri can done as how a muslim helps other fellow men of his in getting a job and how a north indian employs another north indian in his business the same can be tried by a brahmin to stop extinction of brahmins.Its all the unity and support that he needs.So says the famous lyric of eminem."Everybody everybody come take my hand,We'll walk together through the storm,watever weather cold or warm.Jus let u knw that you r not alone".OM SAI RAM
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During Lunch and B'day parties, his veg habit is made fun of and I make it a point to talk with him about the need for a veg diet and the benefits we get by following our practices of doing Sandhi, being veg, etc with scientific reasons as well. There are many examples of veg. persons in the army and Navy, very strong and able in mind and body. The NALS admin in Kovai is a GOOD example of this point.
Being with people who drink and make fun of us is difficult but one has to be 200 % strong in our conviction; then we will be as what we are .!!
I have many relatives in IT field who specifically stick to their roots !!
LET US BE CONVINCED OF OUR BELIEF! THAT's THE ONLY WAY NOW!!
regards
anamika
=Dinesh Chandrasekaran;171362]:help:
Hi all,Most brahmin teenagers nowadays, started eating non vegeterian.This had drastically increased in brahmin families from all part of the state.I am from coimbatore and i have been to chennai and bangalore as i work in IT.Being a teenager myself have always followed and lived the life of a how a brahmin should be.But,I see a lot of my fellow men drinking along with other colleagues for the sake and to show themselves as they can mix with any kind of people and sometimes for getting promotions they do so.I do believe in a policy that think "It is better to die standing than to live kneeling"!.
I sometimes endup in arguements and atlast i would not be able to give a correct reason for brahmins not eating non vegeterian.I stongly believe that scientific reasons are behind in each and every action that we do and the parents of most of the brahmin families not knowing, end up loosing in arguement with their children and other brahmin haters.So,can anyone help to get this sorted out.Because if we teenagers started practising all the old rituals,customs followed in earlier days,I am sure that we can have a better peaceful life and i do know that, the world moving towards technology,science has influence us more.Moreover, we staying away from home can stop us from doing the basic karma but will not stop us completely.So,stil basic things like sandhyavandhanam and gayathri can done as how a muslim helps other fellow men of his in getting a job and how a north indian employs another north indian in his business the same can be tried by a brahmin to stop extinction of brahmins.Its all the unity and support that he needs.So says the famous lyric of eminem."Everybody everybody come take my hand,We'll walk together through the storm,watever weather cold or warm.Jus let u knw that you r not alone".OM SAI RAM
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Sastri
Guest
Eating Meat hindereth you not from being a Good Human Being as Vegetarian food doth not guarantee in making you a Good Human Being.
However my Christian friends/colleagues abstain from eating meat when we dine together pointing to a verse in the Bible in the epistle of Paul the Apostle in I Corinthians 8th Chapter 13th Verse, "Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble."
However my Christian friends/colleagues abstain from eating meat when we dine together pointing to a verse in the Bible in the epistle of Paul the Apostle in I Corinthians 8th Chapter 13th Verse, "Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble."
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Sastri
Guest
When I discussed with my christian colleagues the influence of Food on Character, the relationship between Vegetarian Food and Sattva Guna, they posed a query;
"Jesus was a meat-eater yet did He not preach to show the other face when smitten on one, did He not practice Sattva Guna when interceding with God even while hanging on the cross, for those who crucified Him, saying 'Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing'?"
"Jesus was a meat-eater yet did He not preach to show the other face when smitten on one, did He not practice Sattva Guna when interceding with God even while hanging on the cross, for those who crucified Him, saying 'Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing'?"
anamika,
i am with you, re convincing your son, to develop a set of values, based on rituals and prayers and food habits. it builds fortitude and the ability to stand up for one self.
but hopefully, unlike many other vegetarians here, he will not develop the 'attitudes' that go along with this. ie i think you also need to convince him, that the world is plural, and if another tambram wants to eat non veg or imbibe alcohol, that is his/her business. there is no need to comment on it, or go around with a trumpet, about the supposed corruption.
we need to know where to stop in other people's morals and lives. for some day, including your son, may decide to change his views and attitudes. and if/when that happens, atleast you dont have to go back and 'find humanity' in a new context, if you had been tolerant of other practices all along.
i have seen it happen so many times, of parents, mocking other people's children...'oh my son/daughter will NEVER do that..it all depends on their upbringing'..and the very same son/daughter, does even worse things. and the poor parents, either do not show their faces in public or overnight become liberal in attitude and find the true brotherhood of all humans.
i am with you, re convincing your son, to develop a set of values, based on rituals and prayers and food habits. it builds fortitude and the ability to stand up for one self.
but hopefully, unlike many other vegetarians here, he will not develop the 'attitudes' that go along with this. ie i think you also need to convince him, that the world is plural, and if another tambram wants to eat non veg or imbibe alcohol, that is his/her business. there is no need to comment on it, or go around with a trumpet, about the supposed corruption.
we need to know where to stop in other people's morals and lives. for some day, including your son, may decide to change his views and attitudes. and if/when that happens, atleast you dont have to go back and 'find humanity' in a new context, if you had been tolerant of other practices all along.
i have seen it happen so many times, of parents, mocking other people's children...'oh my son/daughter will NEVER do that..it all depends on their upbringing'..and the very same son/daughter, does even worse things. and the poor parents, either do not show their faces in public or overnight become liberal in attitude and find the true brotherhood of all humans.
Kunjuppu Sir,
Thx for ur feedback. I was guessing ur reply will be along these lines of thought.
Your suggestion is right, we need be plural.
I was brought up in a balanced atmosphere, my late father himself being a Devi Upasaka we had all functions and rituals at home with proper arrangements and due requisites. At the same time he welcomed all of his office colleagues and our friends of other castes also to attend the poojas. For the tamil new year pooja, a christian nadar and a muslim lady will surely attend the function every year. They were treated equally like any maama/maami in our agraharam. (Even the office peon also sat and took food in the same 'pandhi'). Similarly I also advise my son to retain his identity and be acceptable of others also. TOLERANCE is not the correct usage, I feel. We can all co-exist. Nobody need to tolerate someone else.
I always remember to tell my son not to criticize his friends for being nv; this is right for US and we have the RIGHT to follow our wish; that's it.
We can follow our dharma. I feel personally being born a brahmin, veg food is enough for me.
I wish to quote a funny incident reg. this which happened recently. I had been to visit our Doctor . One of the lady patients in 30's talking casually commented about her school friend (a Tambram) who used to relish nv foods made from her(friend's) home and ended up saying, "Which brahmin is veg. these days, Sir? No one, I am sure!" . I was keeping quiet and listening to her accusations.
The doctor who knew our family quite well was very embarassed and immediately pointing me told the other lady, "Here is one brahmin- who does not eat nv" , their family is also veg. The lady was really startled and surprised and again questioned to ask whether we don't even eat eggs. Then a small discussion on the topic ensued and my point is whatever food we grow up with, in our family background with reasons for the same will be comfortable for us. If some tambrams want to eat nv, it is their prerogative!!
As a parent, I feel it is part of my duty to advise to a proper and good orientation towards life. Whether the children will follow them or not is not in our hands, it is already destined as per Karma. Hope you will accept this viewpoint.
Another thing is being veg is not restricted to brahmins, mostly those in the spiritual way of life see it as a tool to achieve their goal. Followers of Vedathri Maharishi, many BC's and MBC's included after they take initiation into these courses, VOLUNTARILY change into vegans. These teachers when they attend their relative's weddings, functions etc, partake only curdrice as most of such functions serve mostly nv biriyanis. Our professors without any complaint eat curd rice there and have told us of their stand in this matter.
regards
anamika
Thx for ur feedback. I was guessing ur reply will be along these lines of thought.
Your suggestion is right, we need be plural.
I was brought up in a balanced atmosphere, my late father himself being a Devi Upasaka we had all functions and rituals at home with proper arrangements and due requisites. At the same time he welcomed all of his office colleagues and our friends of other castes also to attend the poojas. For the tamil new year pooja, a christian nadar and a muslim lady will surely attend the function every year. They were treated equally like any maama/maami in our agraharam. (Even the office peon also sat and took food in the same 'pandhi'). Similarly I also advise my son to retain his identity and be acceptable of others also. TOLERANCE is not the correct usage, I feel. We can all co-exist. Nobody need to tolerate someone else.
I always remember to tell my son not to criticize his friends for being nv; this is right for US and we have the RIGHT to follow our wish; that's it.
We can follow our dharma. I feel personally being born a brahmin, veg food is enough for me.
I wish to quote a funny incident reg. this which happened recently. I had been to visit our Doctor . One of the lady patients in 30's talking casually commented about her school friend (a Tambram) who used to relish nv foods made from her(friend's) home and ended up saying, "Which brahmin is veg. these days, Sir? No one, I am sure!" . I was keeping quiet and listening to her accusations.
The doctor who knew our family quite well was very embarassed and immediately pointing me told the other lady, "Here is one brahmin- who does not eat nv" , their family is also veg. The lady was really startled and surprised and again questioned to ask whether we don't even eat eggs. Then a small discussion on the topic ensued and my point is whatever food we grow up with, in our family background with reasons for the same will be comfortable for us. If some tambrams want to eat nv, it is their prerogative!!
As a parent, I feel it is part of my duty to advise to a proper and good orientation towards life. Whether the children will follow them or not is not in our hands, it is already destined as per Karma. Hope you will accept this viewpoint.
Another thing is being veg is not restricted to brahmins, mostly those in the spiritual way of life see it as a tool to achieve their goal. Followers of Vedathri Maharishi, many BC's and MBC's included after they take initiation into these courses, VOLUNTARILY change into vegans. These teachers when they attend their relative's weddings, functions etc, partake only curdrice as most of such functions serve mostly nv biriyanis. Our professors without any complaint eat curd rice there and have told us of their stand in this matter.
regards
anamika
anamika,
i am with you, re convincing your son, to develop a set of values, based on rituals and prayers and food habits. it builds fortitude and the ability to stand up for one self.
but hopefully, unlike many other vegetarians here, he will not develop the 'attitudes' that go along with this. ie i think you also need to convince him, that the world is plural, and if another tambram wants to eat non veg or imbibe alcohol, that is his/her business. there is no need to comment on it, or go around with a trumpet, about the supposed corruption.
we need to know where to stop in other people's morals and lives. for some day, including your son, may decide to change his views and attitudes. and if/when that happens, atleast you dont have to go back and 'find humanity' in a new context, if you had been tolerant of other practices all along.
i have seen it happen so many times, of parents, mocking other people's children...'oh my son/daughter will NEVER do that..it all depends on their upbringing'..and the very same son/daughter, does even worse things. and the poor parents, either do not show their faces in public or overnight become liberal in attitude and find the true brotherhood of all humans.
thanks anamika.
i too have pangs about our shrinking numbers in tamil nadu and without that base, we are just the same as sindhis or parsis - ie no state to call our home.
i recently read somewhere about an agraharam in thanjavur, all abandoned by the brahmins, and the temple close to shambles. just one house occupied, and that too, by a returnee army officer, who commented, that there are now 3 mosques in the village, where there was one before. because the muslims, after earning their livelihood, came back and invested in the village, while the brahmins abandoned it.
i think, we just have to accept our 'uniqueness' in this regard. the farther we move, away from tamil, the more the plurality. for we imbibe the habits, traits and cultures of our host countries.
in my own case, i am the third generation out of touch with chathapuram palakkadu. my grandfather sought his fortunes in bombay, my dad in chennai and i in toronto. my children are spread over in north america. this is a fact and no matter, how much i try to talk to them about our antecedents, there is 3 generations of separation between me and palghat.
to me, what i hold on, and that too voluntarily, is my addiction to palghat food and some interest in tamil literature, which i became attached while growing up in chennai (incidentally both my parents did not know how to write in tamil, and my mother could read but not write. they knew only malayalam. and similarly i have cousins, who converse in kannada at home).
at one point, we had 40 cousins in bombay. today there is one. and that too on my wife's side. all the next generation are abroad, with about a handful in bangalore. there is none in delhi, where our family at one time, had 3 secretaries in the central govt. such is the progress of life, and while we may suffer pangs at 'losses', it may not be all that bad if we reinvent ourselves.
to me, that reinvention, is more identifying with tamil culture and community. to stop bitching about quotas and reservations, which to most of us, has no impact. and more important of all, what few that is left in tamil nadu, if these needs financial help for education or medicine, to be free with our purses.
i belong to kerala iyers trust and we do help all those who appeal to us. it is well managed, and i am proud of it. what i suggest, is for everyone here and elsewhere, to do some help to our less endowed tambrams. and not beat our breast about how these have been done in by the government or discrimination. it is interesting to note, that the sindhis and jains of tamil nadu have a better acceptance than brahmins. our PR or image sucks. we can all do something to improve it.
just to give you an example of a community working together. in the aftermath of fukushima, the japanese government asked its public to cut down use of electricity and set a goal of 15% reduction. without a murmur, and with one joint effort, that was achieved. because it is japan, it is a non issue there. and rest of the world too, for that is what we expect of japanese. in this context, we tambrams, working for community good, on a secular scale, have a long way to go. for the minute i talk of charity, someone will bring kanchi mutt or some religious fellow in the picture and turn me off right away.
such is life!!
i too have pangs about our shrinking numbers in tamil nadu and without that base, we are just the same as sindhis or parsis - ie no state to call our home.
i recently read somewhere about an agraharam in thanjavur, all abandoned by the brahmins, and the temple close to shambles. just one house occupied, and that too, by a returnee army officer, who commented, that there are now 3 mosques in the village, where there was one before. because the muslims, after earning their livelihood, came back and invested in the village, while the brahmins abandoned it.
i think, we just have to accept our 'uniqueness' in this regard. the farther we move, away from tamil, the more the plurality. for we imbibe the habits, traits and cultures of our host countries.
in my own case, i am the third generation out of touch with chathapuram palakkadu. my grandfather sought his fortunes in bombay, my dad in chennai and i in toronto. my children are spread over in north america. this is a fact and no matter, how much i try to talk to them about our antecedents, there is 3 generations of separation between me and palghat.
to me, what i hold on, and that too voluntarily, is my addiction to palghat food and some interest in tamil literature, which i became attached while growing up in chennai (incidentally both my parents did not know how to write in tamil, and my mother could read but not write. they knew only malayalam. and similarly i have cousins, who converse in kannada at home).
at one point, we had 40 cousins in bombay. today there is one. and that too on my wife's side. all the next generation are abroad, with about a handful in bangalore. there is none in delhi, where our family at one time, had 3 secretaries in the central govt. such is the progress of life, and while we may suffer pangs at 'losses', it may not be all that bad if we reinvent ourselves.
to me, that reinvention, is more identifying with tamil culture and community. to stop bitching about quotas and reservations, which to most of us, has no impact. and more important of all, what few that is left in tamil nadu, if these needs financial help for education or medicine, to be free with our purses.
i belong to kerala iyers trust and we do help all those who appeal to us. it is well managed, and i am proud of it. what i suggest, is for everyone here and elsewhere, to do some help to our less endowed tambrams. and not beat our breast about how these have been done in by the government or discrimination. it is interesting to note, that the sindhis and jains of tamil nadu have a better acceptance than brahmins. our PR or image sucks. we can all do something to improve it.
just to give you an example of a community working together. in the aftermath of fukushima, the japanese government asked its public to cut down use of electricity and set a goal of 15% reduction. without a murmur, and with one joint effort, that was achieved. because it is japan, it is a non issue there. and rest of the world too, for that is what we expect of japanese. in this context, we tambrams, working for community good, on a secular scale, have a long way to go. for the minute i talk of charity, someone will bring kanchi mutt or some religious fellow in the picture and turn me off right away.
such is life!!
In TN, it is common for people to make fun of vegetarians ("thayir satham"), whom they inevitably assume to be brahmins. It is a tough situation, especially for the kids.
The vegetarians are considered as having an "attitude", which, IMO, is non-existent in most cases, and people constantly bitch about it! I have seen people give up on vegetarianism just to escape this bickering
The funny thing is people who eat Non-Veg themselves make fun of those who eat stuff not palatable to them - like pork, as is common in the west, or snakes, as the chinese do.I applaud you for being true to your convictions on this issue.
Yes. It is also true for whom one should pray or how much wealth should one accumulate etc etc. If you extend this, you will find out almost everything should be personal and there is nothing left to dicsuss.
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