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[sravna]

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Sravna,



So you see its Maya that makes all of us PIGS!

Dear Renuka,

Very true and that is the reason all of us are pig headed

 

[Raji Ram]

.......... Very true and that is the reason all of us are pig headed

OMG! Look at the sweet looking Hillary Clinton's plight, imagining to be pig headed!!

Source of Picture: Hillary Clinton

 

[sravna]

:nono: Sravna Sir!

It should be only SLF because it sounds like Sowbhagyavathi Liberated Female!

It is all very confusing. Let us simply say in the true democratic spirit , they have liberty,and equality and stop differentiating them from men.

 

[Naina_Marbus]

I know this is the easy way out for you and few others to devalue my post by making such sweeping statement.

Are you a Telepathy Expert to know how I am worked up? LOL!!

Mr. Ravi: This is the way of people who play the roll of trolls. Here is a report by a woman journalist that you will relish.

The Good Men of India

In the India of today, rape incidents are daily news. Twelve-year-old schoolgirls are attending rape awareness seminars. ……Indian cities are awash with feral men, untethered from their distant villages, divorced from family and social structure, fighting poverty, exhausted, denied access to regular female companionship, adrift on powerful tides of alcohol and violent pornography, newly exposed to the smart young women of the cities, with their glistening jobs and clothes and casual independence — and not able to respond to any of it in a safe, civilized manner.

In this context, it is important to ….bear witness to an alternate male reality that also pervades India on a daily basis.

This is what I witnessed on a recent flight from Kolkata to Bangalore. The plane was ….. full of businessmen and mothers. The …flight attendants were young men. The pilot, captain of the flight deck, was a woman. I was struck …. by the behavior of the male passengers.

In most countries, a woman clambering aboard a plane with a fretful infant and turning a crowded row of six into a de facto row of seven is usually met with hostility. Here, (in India)…(in this flight)…every other row seemed larded with these women and their babies.

But those stuffy Indian businessmen — men of middle management, dodging bottles and diaper bags and carelessly flung toys — they didn’t grumble. Instead, up and down the plane, I saw them helping. Holding babies so that mothers could eat. Burping infants and entertaining toddlers. Not because they knew these women, but because being concerned and engaged was their normal mode of social behavior.

So, I will say this — Indian men can also be among the kindest in the world.

When I asked my friends and acquaintances — both Indian and expatriate — about their perceptions of Indian men, they mentioned intelligence, wit and a reverence for learning…… All of them talked about commitment and caring.

One (woman) said, “I love that he is deeply concerned about his parents.” An Englishwoman said of her long-term Indian partner, “He makes me feel cherished and taken care of in a manner I never experienced in the U.K.”

Another said of her father, “He supported my mother through their marriage, through her job, with the kids, her health, everything.” A 16-year-old schoolgirl echoed this: “You feel safe with them. No matter what, they will see you home safely.”

Strong familial commitment is not a phenomenon restricted to the urban middle classes. Migrant laborers care for wives and children, and still send money home to their parents. The young woman who was gang-raped on a New Delhi bus on Dec. 16 (2012) had a village-raised father who supported her ardently. This part of the story is so unsurprising, it rarely makes the news.

Let me introduce the Common Indian Male….: committed, concerned, cautious; intellectually curious, linguistically witty; socially gregarious, endearingly awkward; quick to laugh, slow to anger. Frequently spotted in domestic circles, traveling in a family herd. He has been sighted in sari shops and handbag stores, …

There is a telling phrase that best captures the Indian man in a relationship — whether as lover, parent or friend: not “I love you” but “Main hoon na.” It translates to “I’m here for you” but is better explained as a hug of commitment — “Never fear, I’m here.” These are men for whom commitment is a joy, a duty and a deep moral anchor.

At its excessive worst, this sensibility can produce annoyances: a sentimentalized addiction to Mummy; concern that becomes judgmental and stifling; and a proud or oversensitive emotional landscape.

But when it is at its best, the results, in women’s lives, speak for themselves. If the image of the Indian female as victim is true, so, too, is its converse: the Indian woman who coexists as a strong survivor, as conqueror, as worshiped goddess made flesh.

(In) Modern India, female success ….doesn’t happen in isolation. A successful woman is very likely to have had a supportive male in her life: a father, a spouse, a friend, a mentor.

Lavanya Sankaran NYTimes October 19, 2013

 

[C RAVI]

Mr. Ravi: This is the way of people who play the roll of trolls. Here is a report by a woman journalist that you will relish.

The Good Men of India

In the India of today, rape incidents are daily news. Twelve-year-old schoolgirls are attending rape awareness seminars. ……Indian cities are awash with feral men, untethered from their distant villages, divorced from family and social structure, fighting poverty, exhausted, denied access to regular female companionship, adrift on powerful tides of alcohol and violent pornography, newly exposed to the smart young women of the cities, with their glistening jobs and clothes and casual independence — and not able to respond to any of it in a safe, civilized manner.

In this context, it is important to ….bear witness to an alternate male reality that also pervades India on a daily basis.

This is what I witnessed on a recent flight from Kolkata to Bangalore. The plane was ….. full of businessmen and mothers. The …flight attendants were young men. The pilot, captain of the flight deck, was a woman. I was struck …. by the behavior of the male passengers.

In most countries, a woman clambering aboard a plane with a fretful infant and turning a crowded row of six into a de facto row of seven is usually met with hostility. Here, (in India)…(in this flight)…every other row seemed larded with these women and their babies.

But those stuffy Indian businessmen — men of middle management, dodging bottles and diaper bags and carelessly flung toys — they didn’t grumble. Instead, up and down the plane, I saw them helping. Holding babies so that mothers could eat. Burping infants and entertaining toddlers. Not because they knew these women, but because being concerned and engaged was their normal mode of social behavior.

So, I will say this — Indian men can also be among the kindest in the world.

When I asked my friends and acquaintances — both Indian and expatriate — about their perceptions of Indian men, they mentioned intelligence, wit and a reverence for learning…… All of them talked about commitment and caring.

One (woman) said, “I love that he is deeply concerned about his parents.” An Englishwoman said of her long-term Indian partner, “He makes me feel cherished and taken care of in a manner I never experienced in the U.K.”

Another said of her father, “He supported my mother through their marriage, through her job, with the kids, her health, everything.” A 16-year-old schoolgirl echoed this: “You feel safe with them. No matter what, they will see you home safely.”

Strong familial commitment is not a phenomenon restricted to the urban middle classes. Migrant laborers care for wives and children, and still send money home to their parents. The young woman who was gang-raped on a New Delhi bus on Dec. 16 (2012) had a village-raised father who supported her ardently. This part of the story is so unsurprising, it rarely makes the news.

Let me introduce the Common Indian Male….: committed, concerned, cautious; intellectually curious, linguistically witty; socially gregarious, endearingly awkward; quick to laugh, slow to anger. Frequently spotted in domestic circles, traveling in a family herd. He has been sighted in sari shops and handbag stores, …

There is a telling phrase that best captures the Indian man in a relationship — whether as lover, parent or friend: not “I love you” but “Main hoon na.” It translates to “I’m here for you” but is better explained as a hug of commitment — “Never fear, I’m here.” These are men for whom commitment is a joy, a duty and a deep moral anchor.

At its excessive worst, this sensibility can produce annoyances: a sentimentalized addiction to Mummy; concern that becomes judgmental and stifling; and a proud or oversensitive emotional landscape.

But when it is at its best, the results, in women’s lives, speak for themselves. If the image of the Indian female as victim is true, so, too, is its converse: the Indian woman who coexists as a strong survivor, as conqueror, as worshiped goddess made flesh.

(In) Modern India, female success ….doesn’t happen in isolation. A successful woman is very likely to have had a supportive male in her life: a father, a spouse, a friend, a mentor.

Lavanya Sankaran NYTimes October 19, 2013

Shri Naina_Marbus,

Thank you very much for sharing this wonderful article. This article is aptly posted in this thread!!

But, I am sure, there will be flood of posts following yours, to show how stupid is this article.

 

[renuka]

Mr. Ravi: This is the way of people who play the roll of trolls. Here is a report by a woman journalist that you will relish.

The Good Men of India

In the India of today, rape incidents are daily news. Twelve-year-old schoolgirls are attending rape awareness seminars. ……Indian cities are awash with feral men, untethered from their distant villages, divorced from family and social structure, fighting poverty, exhausted, denied access to regular female companionship, adrift on powerful tides of alcohol and violent pornography, newly exposed to the smart young women of the cities, with their glistening jobs and clothes and casual independence — and not able to respond to any of it in a safe, civilized manner.

In this context, it is important to ….bear witness to an alternate male reality that also pervades India on a daily basis.

This is what I witnessed on a recent flight from Kolkata to Bangalore. The plane was ….. full of businessmen and mothers. The …flight attendants were young men. The pilot, captain of the flight deck, was a woman. I was struck …. by the behavior of the male passengers.

In most countries, a woman clambering aboard a plane with a fretful infant and turning a crowded row of six into a de facto row of seven is usually met with hostility. Here, (in India)…(in this flight)…every other row seemed larded with these women and their babies.

But those stuffy Indian businessmen — men of middle management, dodging bottles and diaper bags and carelessly flung toys — they didn’t grumble. Instead, up and down the plane, I saw them helping. Holding babies so that mothers could eat. Burping infants and entertaining toddlers. Not because they knew these women, but because being concerned and engaged was their normal mode of social behavior.

So, I will say this — Indian men can also be among the kindest in the world.

When I asked my friends and acquaintances — both Indian and expatriate — about their perceptions of Indian men, they mentioned intelligence, wit and a reverence for learning…… All of them talked about commitment and caring.

One (woman) said, “I love that he is deeply concerned about his parents.” An Englishwoman said of her long-term Indian partner, “He makes me feel cherished and taken care of in a manner I never experienced in the U.K.”

Another said of her father, “He supported my mother through their marriage, through her job, with the kids, her health, everything.” A 16-year-old schoolgirl echoed this: “You feel safe with them. No matter what, they will see you home safely.”

Strong familial commitment is not a phenomenon restricted to the urban middle classes. Migrant laborers care for wives and children, and still send money home to their parents. The young woman who was gang-raped on a New Delhi bus on Dec. 16 (2012) had a village-raised father who supported her ardently. This part of the story is so unsurprising, it rarely makes the news.

Let me introduce the Common Indian Male….: committed, concerned, cautious; intellectually curious, linguistically witty; socially gregarious, endearingly awkward; quick to laugh, slow to anger. Frequently spotted in domestic circles, traveling in a family herd. He has been sighted in sari shops and handbag stores, …

There is a telling phrase that best captures the Indian man in a relationship — whether as lover, parent or friend: not “I love you” but “Main hoon na.” It translates to “I’m here for you” but is better explained as a hug of commitment — “Never fear, I’m here.” These are men for whom commitment is a joy, a duty and a deep moral anchor.

At its excessive worst, this sensibility can produce annoyances: a sentimentalized addiction to Mummy; concern that becomes judgmental and stifling; and a proud or oversensitive emotional landscape.

But when it is at its best, the results, in women’s lives, speak for themselves. If the image of the Indian female as victim is true, so, too, is its converse: the Indian woman who coexists as a strong survivor, as conqueror, as worshiped goddess made flesh.

(In) Modern India, female success ….doesn’t happen in isolation. A successful woman is very likely to have had a supportive male in her life: a father, a spouse, a friend, a mentor.

Lavanya Sankaran NYTimes October 19, 2013

Dear Naina Ji,

Wonderful article!

When I was in India as a student I too came across Sir Walter Raleigh types of Indian man who showed their caring side.If I could list their names..I would use up too much cyber space.

Wonderful article..its shows that all is not lost...there are wonderful men out there too who care for everyone.

Thanks for this article..It will surely boost the morale of everyone here in forum and also any male who reads this online..cos off late too much attacking of males might make them feel inferior and insecure..when we feel good only then we can be good.

Good work Naina Ji...this will help reduce the POW Syndrome.

POW(Prisoner of Woes)

 

[Raji Ram]

Nice to read that the gentlemen travelling by plane are considerate to other lady passengers! :angel:

Hope they will behave in the same way at home too!!

 

[Raji Ram]

I have seen many Samaritans make the wife do all the work in the home front and act like uncrowned kings! :couch2:

 

[Raji Ram]

Searching for the perfect partner makes girls (women) wait till their mid thirties in vain! :tsk:

This is one of the e-mails I saw in my mail box this morning!

​ALLIANCE FOR GIRL 34 USA

ALLIANCE FOR ONLY CHILD OF IYER PARENTS BOMBAY BASED SREEVALSA GOTHRAM. THE GIRL IS EMPLOYED AS SENIOR ENGINEER IN MNC IN BAY AREA CALIFORNIA.. IF INTERESTED PLEASE CONTACT WITH DETAILS .......................

 

[renuka]

I have seen many Samaritans make the wife do all the work in the home front and act like uncrowned kings! :couch2:

Dear RR ji,

Once in India when I was a student..a man in his 50's was being so helpful to me in the plane..he offered to carry my hand luggage and put it for me up the hand luggage section even though he was seated far from me.
He was all the while smiling at me.

I still remember his wife giving him the dagger looks and my mum who was still yet to come to her seat was carrying her heavy hand luggage (those days planes never had much restriction for hand luggage weight)..so I thought I will make this old guy carry the bag for my mum too.

So I smiled broadly to him and called out to my mum "amma..come here..this is your seat."

Then that old guy said "oh your mum"

I said "ya I need to carry her bag to help her"

He said "No No let me help her"

He helped her too and all the while his wife was staring at him angrily!

I now feel may be at home he does not help with anything at all...may be thats why his wife was so angry with him.

Anyway I flashed broad smiles at him as a thank you gesture until my mum got pissed off and asked me"why did you make him carry my bag? I could have done it myself..that guy was smiling at you non stop"

I told her "relax amma..dont worry..now his wife will be scolding him when he is back at his seat"!LOL

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Renu,

I am sure that Samaritan helped you because of your pretty look!

Sure because till he knew your mum, he did not offer to help her!!

BTW, did he help any other girl on the plane?

 

[renuka]

Dear Renu,

I am sure that Samaritan helped you because of your pretty look!

Sure because till he knew your mum, he did not offer to help her!!

BTW, did he help any other girl on the plane?

Dear RR ji,

There were many girls more beautiful than me in the plane too but he only helped me!LOL

My mum is the strictly no nonsense type of woman..she seldom accepts help from others.

That is why she was getting mad with me for letting that old man help her.

 

[Raji Ram]

...... There were many girls more beautiful than me in the plane too but he only helped me!........

This is what we call as 'muga rAsi'! :thumb:

 

[auh]

Shri Naina_Marbus,

Thank you very much for sharing this wonderful article. This article is aptly posted in this thread!!

But, I am sure, there will be flood of posts following yours, to show how stupid is this article.

what an attitude....

 

[auh]

Dear RR ji,

Once in India when I was a student..a man in his 50's was being so helpful to me in the plane..he offered to carry my hand luggage and put it for me up the hand luggage section even though he was seated far from me.
He was all the while smiling at me.

I still remember his wife giving him the dagger looks and my mum who was still yet to come to her seat was carrying her heavy hand luggage (those days planes never had much restriction for hand luggage weight)..so I thought I will make this old guy carry the bag for my mum too.

So I smiled broadly to him and called out to my mum "amma..come here..this is your seat."

Then that old guy said "oh your mum"

I said "ya I need to carry her bag to help her"

He said "No No let me help her"

He helped her too and all the while his wife was staring at him angrily!

I now feel may be at home he does not help with anything at all...may be thats why his wife was so angry with him.

Anyway I flashed broad smiles at him as a thank you gesture until my mum got pissed off and asked me"why did you make him carry my bag? I could have done it myself..that guy was smiling at you non stop"

I told her "relax amma..dont worry..now his wife will be scolding him when he is back at his seat"!LOL

Or it may be that she wanted him to be so, only with her... Some women do not like their hubbby to be close or helping to other young women... Perhaps, the reason she was giving him the dagger looks might well have to do with you, and not with him...!!!

 

[renuka]

But, I am sure, there will be flood of posts following yours, to show how stupid is this article.

Dear Ravi,

You got it wrong here....that post by Naina Ji was simply wonderful.

Besides you..even I clicked Like for it.

 

[C RAVI]

what an attitude....

Indicating the attitude of many here, including people who figure out the type of attitude.

 

[C RAVI]

Searching for the perfect partner makes girls (women) wait till their mid thirties in vain! :tsk:

May be because, as you have indicated in your post no.83, many such girls are scared of partnering with uncrowned king doing nothing at home and making the wife exert, other than waiting for their wishful check list to be complete.

 

[C RAVI]

Dear Ravi,

You got it wrong here....that post by Naina Ji was simply wonderful.

Besides you..even I clicked Like for it.

It is a real fun for me to see how people react on finding my posts!!!

 

[renuka]

It is a real fun for me to see how people react on finding my posts!!!

so true yaar...it is even more fun to see how some people react to posts that others had not even reacted to!LOL

See..you assumed that many will find fault with Naina's post and till now no one has found fault with his post.
How can you explain that??

 

[C RAVI]

I have seen many Samaritans make the wife do all the work in the home front and act like uncrowned kings! :couch2:

I think, I never found any post about husbands who do lots of domestic work as well to comfort their wife.

So far in my life, right from my childhood till now, I have come across many many such husbands who share domestic work with all their passion, in my relatives, neighbors and friends circle.

Probably members here are neither fortunate to have such personal experiences nor they ever came across such husbands in their circle, so far in their life.

 

[C RAVI]

so true yaar...it is even more fun to see how some people react to posts that others had not even reacted to!LOL

See..you assumed that many will find fault with Naina's post and till now no one has found fault with his post.
How can you explain that??

My assumption was no different to many such assumptions done by some members here, on many posts of selective members.

Thus, explanations need not to be given to many such assuming members.

 

[renuka]

I think, I never found any post about husbands who do lots of domestic work as well to comfort their wife.

So far in my life, right from my childhood till now, I have come across many many such husbands who share domestic work with all their passion, in my relatives, neighbors and friends circle.

Probably members here are neither fortunate to have such personal experiences nor they ever came across such husbands in their circle, so far in their life.

A lot of us also have husbands that help out with work at home but you see as a woman..we always feels a bit uneasy to see men doing too much work at home becos we start to feel guilty in case he starts to think that "Oh my wife is making me do so much work"!

No sane woman will make her husband do more work than her at home.

So you see good wives like some of us do NOT take our husbands for granted and never want to be in a situation where we are doing less housework than our husbands!

So even after a work no matter how late I go home I will make sure I do my quota of housework and also make sure my quota exceeds his quota.

A good wife does not take her husband for granted.

 

[renuka]

I think, I never found any post about husbands who do lots of domestic work as well to comfort their wife.

So far in my life, right from my childhood till now, I have come across many many such husbands who share domestic work with all their passion, in my relatives, neighbors and friends circle.

Probably members here are neither fortunate to have such personal experiences nor they ever came across such husbands in their circle, so far in their life.

BTW lets wait and see when you get married..then we will see if you practice what you preach!LOL

 

[C RAVI]

BTW lets wait and see when you get married..then we will see if you practice what you preach!LOL

Whether I wish to get married or not, when that gonna happen or would never happen etc..etc. are immaterial to the topic under discussion.

I highlight the things that happens/exists around us, in line with the subject matter and what I feel is the best and proper course of actions, as per my convictions, perceptions, principles. I don't preach anything to any one.

I believe, other members including yourself do the same and have no command/authority to preach others.


What I do or don't do in my personal life can not be explored by you or any one here. Nor I have any need to prove you all who am I.

So, just Chill!!