Charity - A Luxury

[krish44]

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Yesterday , A honourable member of this Forum asked me why I do not contribute to charity

That set me thinking.

Why I do not do it .?

If I do so would I be doing justice to myself, my nuclear and extended family ,friends and acquaintances, servants on whom I depend for daily existence,

whom I may have to overlook to give to general pubic or society at large. Am I rich enough that after I satisfy this circle , I can reach out to others.

if riches are unlimited , it might be possible . otherwise , it might be at the cost of others who might feel it is at their expense charity is being practised.

with how much wealth , one could consider , one is rich.

let us face it. with limited wealth all within family , friends , some who serve us are potential competitors for the same money.


Are we like Bill gates, or Mukesh ambani or Azim premji or Nadar to think of such things?

When national leaders appeal to you to think of lofty ideals and exhort you to be not selfish and contribute to good of society and the nation , they do so after

collecting their crores thru all kind of means and stashing them in safe havens abroad.

Shall we follow them , practise what our national leaders do and preach and be happy .lol

 

[krish44]

continuing my last post

society and state should have /practise some virtues like honesty and moral norms so that individuals will contribute to these.

when state makes complicated laws taking everybody to be a crook unless proven otherwise and has no trust in you as an individual

when society's attitude towards people is guided by caste , religeous consideration and not on decent human values of honesty and equality

why contribute to well being and nurturing of such entities?

if we are in such a state or society , our world will perhaps limited only to a few close individuals who are part of a family or a friend circle

 

[renuka]

Dear Krish ji,

Charity does not have to mean donating massive amounts of money.

I know a drunkard who hangs around outside my clinic at times looking for people to give him money.But he has never asks me anything..I think he is scared that as doc I might scold him for drinking.
He is old anyway.


Last week I was shopping at another far away place and I saw him outside a restaurant.I asked him how come he was so far away from where he stays.

Then he smiled and said he wanted to travel a bit to ask for money.

I asked him if he was begging to drink and he said yes.

So I gave him money for the first time.

He said he never dared ask me in case I would scold him since I am doc.

I told him at his age..he is not going to change even if I scold him..so just take the money and enjoy!

So you see..that's also charity.

Now when he sees me he salutes me and he said he is trying to cut down drinking!LOL

May be he feels he can change.

 

[krish44]

I have started believing in percolation theory .for charity.

give it to close relatives and suggest that they can contribute to charities of their choice after their needs are fulfilled and if they have surplus . some do.

it causes the minimum heart burn.it is their discretion.

I also wait for occassions like birthday or death day remembrances when I can freely donate without anyone feeling bad.I choose causes by rotation

one becomes a lot more accountable when one has money or even when others think one is well off

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Last week I was shopping at another far away place and I saw him outside a restaurant.I asked him how come he was so far away from where he stays.

Then he smiled and said he wanted to travel a bit to ask for money.

I asked him if he was begging to drink and he said yes.

So I gave him money for the first time.

I told him at his age..he is not going to change even if I scold him..so just take the money and enjoy!

So you see..that's also charity.

I feel, as a doctor, you are not supposed to encourage an alcoholic, that too in the name of charity. Charity should be a for a specific cause and should help large number of needy people. You justify your action by citing age as the reason.

You are a doctor with a difference.

 

[renuka]

I feel, as a doctor, you are not supposed to encourage an alcoholic, that too in the name of charity. Charity should be a for a specific cause and should help large number of needy people. You justify your action by citing age as the reason.

You are a doctor with a difference.

Dear Chandru,

Even for my patients who are addicted to alcohol..I never tell them stop drinking becos I know most people find it hard to quit.

I usually ask them if they like alcohol and they say yes.

Then I tell them if you drink excessively your liver will be damaged and you wont live long enough to enjoy alcohol.

So drink in moderation and get some exercise done too to divert your mind so that you will live long enough to enjoy your occasional alcohol.

This advice has worked well with many patients and they have cut down drinking.

You see..when we say "STOP DRINKING!"..the person might feel offended as if he is not being respected and he will not listen to you.

The reason I gave that guy money becos I admired the fact that he has different locations to beg money and travels far too to be from place to place.

He seemed motivated..anyway he said he has cut down drinking.

To me he is also a needy person..he travels to beg..he needs money for petrol for his motorbike.

 

[krish44]

there is nothing like good or bad charity.

it is a transaction between a donor and receiver.

it is not wise to comment on donors preference or receivers personal choice of life style.

 

[prasad1]

there is nothing like good or bad charity.

it is a transaction between a donor and receiver.

it is not wise to comment on donors preference or receivers personal choice of life style.

I beg to differ.
You must see and qualify the recipient of your charity. In USA if you donate to a Taliban charity you can end up in jail. So one must know the purpose of the charity, ignorance is not a bliss, in this case it would be a crime.

 

[krish44]

prasadji
It is upto the donor to evaluate the receipient not some X,Y,Z of this forum.

they need not explain to them why they gave the receipient some donation.

it is not wise for members to point out what is good or bad donation.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

prasadji
It is upto the donor to evaluate the receipient not some X,Y,Z of this forum.

they need not explain to them why they gave the receipient some donation.

it is not wise for members to point out what is good or bad donation.

Charity, I think, means donation in the form of money, material etc. for good cause. Do you think giving money for buying liquor is charity? I am sorry I don't think so.

 

[rishikesan]

Dr. Renuka has given the back ground of the Person, an ole man, craving for some Drinks -. She Sven chided him, because he wpuld not dare to ask the Dr. For money , But she hae seen him uhat in uhat ole age he is unaböe to just leave the Hanit, as is the case sotkeudu educated males . It i.s just addiction and they wpuld tappiot Die with a last Peg and wpuld not stop, home ajat may?
She felt for a moment " him benjoy . The inner mind has okayed Such things Gallen st the spur of the moment and no explanation is to br asked for ? Let us O.K her 7th sense/ Intuition.
Rishikesan

 

[prasad1]

prasadji
It is upto the donor to evaluate the receipient not some X,Y,Z of this forum.

they need not explain to them why they gave the receipient some donation.

it is not wise for members to point out what is good or bad donation.

I see your point, and i understand it. thanks.

 

[krish44]

thanks for understanding me.prasadji

 

[rishikesan]

This Topic had always been on top of my mind in the sense that we, Tamil Brahmins should try to enlist members & others with the intention of really helping our lot whoever in need ( may be Education sufferers who can ill-afford treatment & many other areas ) In the above opinions by Mr Krish/ Dr Renuka & other friends, who have explained well about how to go about Charity. Dictionary meaning of Charity is :- Benificence,/ liberality to those in need / distress/ Institutions for helping the needy.
The argument brought out by veteran Krish 44 means in simple words " Charity Begins at Home " Second point is If one has Surplus money/ wealth, . even if it is not very Big ?, if the same is Pooled it will grow , leaps & bounds ( small drops of water , make a mighty Ocean ) My intention is only this :- let the active members who are well -versed in many matters, start seriously think over forming a small committee. can be presided by our Founder & seriously formulate an Agenda listing out the Needs of poorer with in our lot , like meeting expenses for education Etc ( you all know better than me )Even if it takes 2 /3 months,let us plan to seriously start functioning,so that large no. of tamil bramins(well to do or otherwise) could join and make it a success.
I fervently appeal to Mr Krish44, Dr Renuka ji,CHANDRu,prasad1 & all others to take my proposal forward.
Mr Praveen secretary ,i appeal to take us all into your fold and create enough boost

Thank you all
A.srinivasan

 

[rishikesan]

This Topic had always been on top of my mind in the sense that we, Tamil Brahmins should try to enlist members & others with the intention of really helping our lot whoever in need ( may be Education sufferers who can ill-afford treatment & many other areas ) In the above opinions by Mr Krish/ Dr Renuka & other friends, who have explained well about how to go about Charity. Dictionary meaning of Charity is :- Benificence,/ liberality to those in need / distress/ Institutions for helping the needy.
The argument brought out by veteran Krish 44 means in simple words " Charity Begins at Home " Second point is If one has Surplus money/ wealth, . even if it is not very Big ?, if the same is Pooled it will grow , leaps & bounds ( small drops of water , make a mighty Ocean ) My intention is only this :- let the active members who are well -versed in many matters, start seriously think over forming a small committee. can be presided by our Founder & seriously formulate an Agenda listing out the Needs of poorer with in our lot , like meeting expenses for education Etc ( you all know better than me )Even if it takes 2 /3 months,let us plan to seriously start functioning,so that large no. of tamil bramins(well to do or otherwise) could join and make it a success.
I fervently appeal to Mr Krish44, Dr Renuka ji,CHANDRu,prasad1 & all others to take my proposal forward.
Mr Praveen secretary ,i appeal to take us all into your fold and create enough boost .Let us inagurate on First January 2015

Thank you all
A.srinivasan

 

[rishikesan]

Dear Mr. Praveen, Please read my write-up on the above subject. I have read an Appeal in the main page seeking for Donations in Dollars for improving Upon the T.N.Bravhmins F orum, more jaetun & effective to atract all Brahmins to comeback into one fold.
Kindly combine my ideas also into your Donations Campaign & publicise, so uhat good response can be expected.
I need your positive response to role in max of the Veterans here &I Sven suhteet nominate 10 of them & of guidelines & Fredrik are given to them, You can esily achieve your ambition.
This opportunity must be grabbed.
Sincerly
Rishikesan (A.Srinivasan) PH 044/24806871

 

[rishikesan]

Dear Mr. Praveen, I am awaiting reply from you , for whatever I have written in the above Topic namely # 14/ 15 and #16.
I , would like to briefly give out my mind, after having associated with this Forum for 3 years. My objective analysis is :-
I feel that , on any Topic there is Shadow Play/, rather Shadow Boxing in each & every Topic, only Individualistic views prevail and there appears no scope for Objective discussion . leading to any useful solution & follow up ?
I always appreciate the beautiful analysis being made on any topic reveals the deep knowledge of our Members, esp. that of a Dozen VETERANS .
Young talents basking in U.S , well settled in every respect , high time , we exert max to slowly approach their Associations in U.S & even , I suggest invite a few to meet our leader Mr Praveen & some Veterans & chalk out not only the Donation part, BUT , rope them for the remaining , talented brahmin Youths & for common Good of Tamil Brahmins wherever they may be in INDIA,
My ultimate wish is simply this :- We must appeal to all in U.S who can not only donate but also suggest means to promote our lot here in INDIA
I do expect Mr Praveen to give his learned ideas & get an AGENDA , listing out Priorities & nominate 10 of our vociferous Veterans immediately so that your proposal of not only getting Monetary assistance but also spell out the ultimate AIM/ scheme to all Members , so that it could be Team Effort.
I specially request the ever active Veterans & other members , to second my Proposal & get it done. I am not that intelligent / nor influential .
Sincerely,
Rishikesan (A.Srinivasan) Ph 044/ 24806871

 

[CHANDRU1849]

This Topic had always been on top of my mind in the sense that we, Tamil Brahmins should try to enlist members & others with the intention of really helping our lot whoever in need ( may be Education sufferers who can ill-afford treatment & many other areas ) In the above opinions by Mr Krish/ Dr Renuka & other friends, who have explained well about how to go about Charity. Dictionary meaning of Charity is :- Benificence,/ liberality to those in need / distress/ Institutions for helping the needy.
The argument brought out by veteran Krish 44 means in simple words " Charity Begins at Home " Second point is If one has Surplus money/ wealth, . even if it is not very Big ?, if the same is Pooled it will grow , leaps & bounds ( small drops of water , make a mighty Ocean ) My intention is only this :- let the active members who are well -versed in many matters, start seriously think over forming a small committee. can be presided by our Founder & seriously formulate an Agenda listing out the Needs of poorer with in our lot , like meeting expenses for education Etc ( you all know better than me )Even if it takes 2 /3 months,let us plan to seriously start functioning,so that large no. of tamil bramins(well to do or otherwise) could join and make it a success.
I fervently appeal to Mr Krish44, Dr Renuka ji,CHANDRu,prasad1 & all others to take my proposal forward.
Mr Praveen secretary ,i appeal to take us all into your fold and create enough boost

Thank you all
A.srinivasan

Is this exclusively for Brahmins only?

 

[rishikesan]

I think so But this query can be correctly answered by, Mr. Praveen only.

I once again appeal to Mr. Praveen to kindly let us all know , not only about the seeking of Donation, but most importantly about my write up in three column ,for full efforts and to ensure participation bygone and-All ?
Rishikesan( A.srinivasan

 

[Raji Ram]

Thinking aloud!

If each word posted in forum is charged 10 paise and each new thread Rs. 10, what will happen??

May be most of the members will :tape: ???

 

[renuka]

Thinking aloud!

If each word posted in forum is charged 10 paise and each new thread Rs. 10, what will happen??

May be most of the members will :tape: ???

and those who complain to Moderator will be charged Rs 5!LOL

BTW RR ji..great idea!

I think PJ sir starts the most threads in Chit Chat.

So he will be donating most!

 

[Raji Ram]

You are absolutely right, Renu!

The next in the list will be Ganesh Sir and Prasad Sir!

 

[renuka]

You are absolutely right, Renu!

The next in the list will be Ganesh Sir and Prasad Sir!

Dear RR ji,

You and I will be paying a lot of money for most words typed!LOL

Dont we love to Blah Blah Blah?LOL

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Renu,
Lord Kubera will bestow lot of money! opcorn:

Here is the mantrA to chant:

Kubera Money Mantra (God of Wealth)

 

[krish44]

I think so But this query can be correctly answered by, Mr. Praveen only.

I once again appeal to Mr. Praveen to kindly let us all know , not only about the seeking of Donation, but most importantly about my write up in three column ,for full efforts and to ensure participation bygone and-All ?
Rishikesan( A.srinivasan

Rishikesanji
Keep it up

I am with you

if you can persuade members of TB forum to contribute to a good cause ,

most retired people have a money constraint. yet they will contribute for a good cause.

whenever you set up a fund I volunteer to contribute to the same.

Best of luck if you can organise the tamil brahmins

You have made five posts starting from 14 relating to charity

you are best qualified to organise .

also most active members are in chennai.

chennai people are known for generosity and keeping a open house

they also welcome others from abroad with open arms

I am sure they will see the plight of TBs in chennai and contribute to a noble cause.like education

whenever get together are organised , the donation box can be passed around.

Thats what we do during alumni get together once a year .