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[renuka]

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Dear Renuka,

There can never be an overdose of spirituality. With more recourse to spirituality things can only get more balanced.

Dear Sravna,

How can balance get more balanced?

That shows there is a tilt somewhere.

But do consider the fact that an overdose of anything = toxicity.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

One of the biggest obstacle in the quest for spirituality is adherence to spirituality itself.

Adherence of any kind has to be given up eventually.

There is no use holding on to a boat when you have crossed the river.

Can you totally surrender by giving up even spirituality?

Why do you think Lord Krishna said this...

TEXT 66
sarva-dharman parityajya
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah


TRANSLATION​

Abandon all Dharma and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.


http://asitis.com/18/66.html

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

It seems to me you have a confused notion of spirituality. Consider this. The more your zeal for knowledge, the more you acquire it and more you benefit from that knowledge. Reality is ultimately knowledge. Spirituality is the quest for the ultimate knowledge and on the way to it you keep improving yourself.

If you want me to give an analogy it is like the quest for knowledge by science, Science seeks knowledge about the external world whereas spirituality is the quest of knowledge of the inner self. Why should one give up when there is constant improvement? Of course the eventual point will be reached which is the moksha and which is the point of total self realization.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

It seems to me you have a confused notion of spirituality. Consider this. The more your zeal for knowledge, the more you acquire it and more you benefit from that knowledge. Reality is ultimately knowledge. Spirituality is the quest for the ultimate knowledge and on the way to it you keep improving yourself.

If you want me to give an analogy it is like the quest for knowledge by science, Science seeks knowledge about the external world whereas spirituality is the quest of knowledge of the inner self. Why should one give up when there is constant improvement? Of course the eventual point will be reached which is the moksha and which is the point of total self realization.

Dear Sravna,

Its not about confusion..its about realizing that even a zeal or quest for anything translates to an adherence and eventually even that feeling has to go.

We can not be holding on for something and in your case you are even talking about benefit.

The moment you do something seeking a benefit..right away Karma comes into action and you create a Karmic debt.

That is why one is supposed to discharge duty without seeking fruits of actions for any action.

The Trishna..the Thirst has to be given up eventually.

So instead of going all out with an overdose of zeal of any kind..that too seeking for benefits..why dont one just go along the flow of life without strongly adhering to anything.

All I am saying is we can follow anything we like but it becoming an obsession is when danger starts to lurk.

BTW Lord Krishna was very clear..He said Give Up All Dharma.....this surely includes even adherence to the ideology of Spirituality.

Why? Cos He didnt want any hindrance to total surrender.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

I think we are going through the same thing over and over. I am not seeing an argument developing here but repetition of the points. As I say there are two types of people, one who does not believe in the inner self and other who does. Let each stick to his conviction and be true to one's nature.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I think we are going through the same thing over and over. I am not seeing an argument developing here but repetition of the points. As I say there are two types of people, one who does not believe in the inner self and other who does. Let each stick to his conviction and be true to one's nature.

Dear Sravna,

There is only SELF...inner and outer is merely a perception.

Many mistakenly feel Inner Self is superior..when in reality only SELF exist.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

There is only SELF...inner and outer is merely a perception.

Many mistakenly feel Inner Self is superior..when in reality only SELF exist.

OK Renuka, I am talking about the perception of the external self. Inner self is the real self.

 

[renuka]

OK Renuka, I am talking about the perception of the external self. Inner self is the real self.

If there is a REAL automatically there is an UNREAL.

So anything perceived as REAL too is but a perception.

Therefore there is only SELF...there is no opposite of self...there is no term known as UNSELF.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

The reason I am bringing all these up is becos you are attaching attributes to what you perceive as Inner Self..that is you are attributing to it an elevated status.

That is what I am saying that has to be disconnected from your thoughts.

Can you at least connect with spirituality without the need to attribute an elevated status to it?

Its a big test for the Ahamkara to embrace a state that confers nothing in the real sense.

We want to imagine that we are evolving to a higher state when in reality there is no climb or descend at all.

Just one single point..that has no name..no form..no perception..no attribute..no identity..no benefit..can the Mind handle this state?

Nope..It is almost impossible..that is why we choose to feel we are on the rise to a purer state to stroke our Ahamkara.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

I am just stating my views about how getting into a particular perspective of life can help one unshackle the bonds one finds oneself in and achieve independence in thinking. There is no emotional attachment to spirituality. There is zeal towards wanting to share the thoughts but that is different from being obsessed with the idea of spirituality. The way you can make out the difference is that I try to support my views with logic and not present emotional or irrational arguments.

 

[renuka]

The way you can make out the difference is that I try to support my views with logic and not present emotional or irrational arguments.

I have yet to see logic dear Sravna...so far I can only see an undue attachment to self perceived elevated state.

 

[krish44]

Now let us hear something different on artificial intelligence by stephen hawking.

AI can lead to a lot of good to humanity by making possible many things not thought of before.

But AI in the hands of a wrong person can lead to human destruction.

 

[sravna]

I have yet to see logic dear Sravna...so far I can only see an undue attachment to self perceived elevated state.

Well Renuka the message has not reached you obviously,and I understand that because people may be tuned to a different set of frequencies

 

[renuka]

Well Renuka the message has not reached you obviously,and I understand that because people may be tuned to a different set of frequencies

Dear Sravna,

I usually do not tune in to imaginative states.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

I usually do not tune in to imaginative states.

Dear Renuka,

I did not mean anything in a negative way but just point to the fact that people are different and nurture certain set beliefs and do not want to deviate from them. As I have been pointing out my main audience are those with whom I think I fundamentally share beliefs.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I did not mean anything in a negative way but just point to the fact that people are different and nurture certain set beliefs and do not want to deviate from them. As I have been pointing out my main audience are those with whom I think I fundamentally share beliefs.

Dear Sravna,

I know you did not mean anything negative.

My reply too had no negative message.


Yes...you are right..each person has their own set beliefs..this is for those who just want to lead a mundane life..to adhere strongly to what they feel its the best for them.

But for those who are keen on spirituality...they need to be aware that even spirituality,inner self,purity,elevated states which they would go tru are not states that they should adhere too..these are states that come like clouds and are meant to shower us with experience and once the shower is over the sun of SELF should rise.

We can not see the sun rise unless the rain stops.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

If you do not mind allow me to not reply to "my adherence and obsession with spirituality". I have no additional remarks to make than what I already have.

But cannot resist this final attempt:

One gets into the spiritual perspective after one has seen the futility of force through all the previous births. Once into spirituality , then it can be more and more spirituality only because it makes you more and more balanced until you get liberated with a perfectly balanced spiritual state. That is when you get one with brahman again.

 

[renuka]

One gets into the spiritual perspective after one has seen the futility of force through all the previous births. Once into spirituality , then it can be more and more spirituality only because it makes you more and more balanced until you get liberated with a perfectly balanced spiritual state. That is when you get one with brahman again.

Dear Sravna,

When something has reached Balance....how can we say it can become more balanced?

Does not sync right?

Balance is balance..its like an equilibrium where we have to opposing forces working in different directions both nullifying each other in a state that has no change.

Any tilt in this state brings about a reaction and change. Even religion says that a tilt in the equilibrium of the Gunas brought about creation.

So technically there is nothing such as becoming MORE balanced...if something can become MORE balanced..that only means it was never balanced to start with and is still not balanced and still subject to change.

Then you say one gets liberated which is a PERFECTLY balanced spiritual state.

How many types of balance are there ???

Balance...more balance..even more balance...even more and more balance...perfectly balanced?

Yet at the final state which you call perfectly balanced SPIRITUAL state...you have NOT dropped the spiritual tag.

For becoming ONE with Brahman..every tag has to go.

Technically none of us can define Brahman..so why add a spiritual tag to it?

This is what I am trying to get at.

Is Brahman a spiritual state?

Well ...none of us can answer this question with a YES or a NO.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

What is really striking in our conservation is that you seem to be the one who have the obsession in talking about my spirituality. Yes I agree I do talk a lot about spirituality and most of my threads and participation is on that. But the point is I have set myself a purpose on my participation in this forum and have made my sharing of experiences in spirituality the main theme.

However it is no that I keep talking about it 24 hrs a day , I do have other diversions just as anyone who has diversions from his main occupation.

Hope this clarifies.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

What is really striking in our conservation is that you seem to be the one who have the obsession in talking about my spirituality. Yes I agree I do talk a lot about spirituality and most of my threads and participation is on that. But the point is I have set myself a purpose on my participation in this forum and have made my sharing of experiences in spirituality the main theme.

However it is no that I keep talking about it 24 hrs a day , I do have other diversions just as anyone who has diversions from his main occupation.

Hope this clarifies.

Dear Sravna,

If you scroll back into the Archives of any thread of yours..you can surely notice its me who actively participates in your threads.

I can clearly and safely say that if not for my responses mostly in Forum you would be talking to yourself.

Nope..I am not obsessed with your spirituality talk..I like the topic and its philosophical bent hence my active participation.

I only have one obsession and that is with myself!LOL Seriously..not many people would admit this but I feel we can only be obsessed about ourselves in the real sense.

I am not finding fault in spirituality but even in religious text..eventually its clear that no tag of any kind can define Brahman.

So linking Perfected Spiritual State with Brahman is just trying to define Brahman which amounts to giving it attributes.

In fact the word Brahman itself is a name given just for description purposes so that humans would be able to at least think about it..but does the Brahman state actually have a name to start with? Does it have a tag of any kind to start with?

We definitely can't state anything for sure....so how can be attach a tag to something we are do not even actually know about?

 

[sravna]

I am not finding fault in spirituality but even in religious text..eventually its clear that no tag of any kind can define Brahman.

So linking Perfected Spiritual State with Brahman is just trying to define Brahman which amounts to giving it attributes.

In fact the word Brahman itself is a name given just for description purposes so that humans would be able to at least think about it..but does the Brahman state actually have a name to start with? Does it have a tag of any kind to start with?

We definitely can't state anything for sure....so how can be attach a tag to something we are do not even actually know about?

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Dear Renuka,

Brahman exists in a perfect balance with neither excess nor deficiency in anything. The perfect balance is what defines nirguna brahman. This is not my definition of brahman but what is said in advaita.

 

[raysundar]

Hi Spiritual Masters,
My spiritual antenna locked in on this frequency where it picked up some familiar voices talking about spirituality and AI. Then I read through your discussions and found that Sravna was now pretending to be God Himself and endowing spiritual powers to AI Robots and machines. Wow. I couldn't resist chipping in.
Sravna, I think you are jumping ahead too fast in to creationism. Spirit is the part of "Paramatman" that is resident in you. As it is you were trying to influence physical objects with spiritual powers and not succeeded in my opinion. Now you are already to the next level of mind control over AI machines. Are you trying to be the "Paramatman" for AI machines?
Stay with first establishing the basic science of spirituality.
As usual you are being egged on by band of veteran spiritualists including Renuka.
I am not sure if Renuka is agreeing or arguing with you!
Are you trying to create AI machines with "Sravna" spirits?
What is the name of your species?

 

[renuka]

As usual you are being egged on by band of veteran spiritualists including Renuka.

Dear Ray,

I am not a spiritualist.

 

[raysundar]

Dear Ray,

I am not a spiritualist.

What are you, besides a doctor who loves the loud silence of the dead?

 

[raysundar]

On the subject of AI, Stephen Hawking has this to say:
"...in the future, AI could develop a will of its own -– a will that is in conflict with ours."
The link to the article is here.