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....Showing middle finger to the non believers, as a joke, is common to both the sides.
Ravi, please consider the following from Wiki:

In Western culture, the finger (as in giving someone the finger), also known as the middle finger, is an obscene hand gesture, often meaning the phrase "%@#k you" or "up yours".
(emphasis and obscuring offensive word are mine)


In my world, this never passes as a joke, especially coming from somebody unknown to me.

Alright Ravi, if you are ready to take the high road that is something I welcome. Why don't you address the title of this thread without resorting to hocus pocus of superior logic. It is proposed that "God Exists". Make your best case in the affirmative, will you?

Cheers!
 
Hi all,

I have no interest to go trawling through the thread but if indeed someone raised his middle finger at another, I am frankly horrified. And thats putting it mildly.

It is extremely ill mannered. Where I come from and where I am currently residing, raising the middle finger simply means (and i am not mincing words here) F you and in real life will promptly be given a punch on your face!. If this not swearing, I dunno what is!
 
Some one could call that "raising Middle Finger represent a vulgar sign" as a superstition - the same way atheists calling belief in god to be superstitious. Just because every one says that do not make true (by the arguments of atheists)
 
Who can argue with this impeccable "superior" logic, one in which each of us can decide on our own who deserves to be called an arrogant ignominious for not much more than disagreeing. Further, you can write any vulgar expletive, but it must be taken as a joke as long as a smiley is put at the end. This "superior" logic is like silly putty, you can mold it to suit whatever is the need of the hour.

I have no use for this "superior" logic, I rather to stick to ordinary logic, rationality, and civility in my exchanges

Ok let us stick with ordinary logic, a sense of fairness exhibited by all would go a long way in my view.

It is game-playing act to twist a critique on a post that exhibited a negative behavior (post #173 "Voodoo Artists are called as Doctors! All because they treat patients!!" which in the view of many is a mean spirited and tasteless post) and interpret that criticism on a person and cry fake outrage.

If the people who are 'ganging up' now on DrBarani's post had spoken at the time of this unwarrented personal attack then I would have had lot more respect for their positions when they cry fowl now. Let us stop this 'holier than thou' game playing.

Removing a 'smiley' as a context when citing a person's post is also game playing. When we do not have means to express our mood in a forum, the icons do help convey that. It is a deliberate act of mischief to remove that in a citation and cry (fake) outrage.

Let us now talk about this civility of exchange where there are many exemplary posts ranging over months with many different people.
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Why go that far - Let us look right at this thread itself in post #120

It is a memorable quote directed at DrBarani for disagreements - "Don't assume what I implied, to assume is to make an ass - out of - u - and - me. You may have the right to do so out of you, but not out of me" - Nara, post #120
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So much for civility of exchange and where is everyone who are here with their (fake) outrage?

DrBarani - was not flipping fingers at anyone, he jokingly said a few words in a generic manner to bring levity to the discussion. It was directed to no specific person. It is like a comedian performing on a stage.

You may live in North American continent but it does not mean you cannot have a sense of humor. If this offends you but a direct personal attack on a person does not or telling a person that they have a right to make an ass out of himself is fine then yours right now is a fake outrage in my view which is disingenuous.

Let us stop this 'holier than thou' posts and get back to the serious topic of the discussion.

Laugh at the post if you don't like something stated, admire how their mind works - that is what I do at a number of Sri Nara's post though he may or may not have intended humor. I have no problem if you all want to laugh at my posts too.

Please do not assume that everyone is offended at DrBarani's posts - Again let me quote "Don't assume what I implied, to assume is to make an ass - out of - u - and - me. You may have the right to do so out of you, but not out of me"
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Let us take it easy!
 
msk, tks,

i think both you folks have missed the point that many of us who live in north america or europe are trying to make.

i think it is upto dr barani to clarify what he meant.

noting, that as drb has mentioned in one of his posts, that he has lived in the usa for 10 or so years.

if drb meant it as an insult, so be it, and let him defend it. he has extremely skilled presentation and logic skills.

to me, apologist side kicking from folks, whom i think, are unaware of how dr barani's post is perceived by certain other members of the forum, who assume a certain position of drb and which may be wrong, reminds me of those who sometime support me - for the wrong reasons. i would rather not have such support.

the issue, if left to the protoganists of this verbal duel, ie dr nara and dr barani, would probably end up in amicable (dis)agreement, but i dont think any interceding comments would warranty or guarantee a decency for after all, is it not made with a view to incite a tamasha, and watch the fun?

thank you.
 
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msk, tks,

i think both you folks have missed the point that many of us who live in north america or europe are trying to make.

i think it is upto dr barani to clarify what he meant.

noting, that as drb has mentioned in one of his posts, that he has lived in the usa for 10 or so years.

if drb meant it as an insult, so be it, and let him defend it. he has extremely skilled presentation and logic skills.

to me, apologist side kicking from folks, whom i think, are unaware of how dr barani's post is perceived by certain other members of the forum, reminds me of those who sometime support me - for the wrong reasons. i would rather not have such support.

the issue, if left to the protoganists of this verbal duel, ie dr nara and dr barani, would probably end up in amicable (dis)agreement, but i dont think any interceding comments would warranty or guarantee a decency for after all, is it not made with a view to incite a tamasha, and watch the fun?

thank you.

I think you have missed an important point.
Drbarani's post was not directed any one - not you , not Nara, not me, .. no one in particular.
Context with icons is significant.

The only 'Tamasha and mischief making' in my view is to make this between Nara and DrBarani

I think let us move on to the topic of the dicussion rather this 'holier than thou' posts.

If the purpose is to read what DrBarani meant I think the smiley says it all to me!

In any case I am going to move on .. if people like you want to keep dwelling on this that is your business
 
"This analogy of the five fingers as the five major continents leaves the long, middle finger for North America, and, in particular, the United States. As the longest of the fingers, it really stands out. The middle finger anchors every function that the hand performs and is the key to all of the fingers working together efficiently and effectively. This is a really good thing, and has given the U.S. a leg up in global business since the end of World War I.

However, if used inappropriately -- just like the U.S. itself -- the middle finger can convey a negative message and get us in trouble. You know what I'm talking about. In fact, I suspect you're hoping that I'll demonstrate what I mean. And trust me, I'm not looking for volunteers to model.

Discretion being the better part of valor...I think I'll pass. " Indira Nooyi as told here.

I was told that the Theists and Vedic Scholars are very kind and "soft" people! I didn't know that they are the first ones to use the middle finger when they lose an argument, at least in this Thread!

So much is the power of God and their Vedas!

All Machiavellian Mumbo Jumbos!!

Soft does not mean stupid!
People do not 'fight' individuals, but they fight acts of injustice, behavior showing low character etc
 
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Soft does not mean stupid!
People do not 'fight' individuals, but they fight acts of injustice, behavior showing low character etc

Here is the Act of God in display! Showing "middle finger" at people, a low character!!

Enjoy your Vedas!
 
"Context with icons is significant."


Really?.... Know this:

A rapist is asking the victim, "Didn't I smile while I violated you..and you were in pain and horror?"

According to which Veda is "showing the middle finger" a recommended way of God-given behavior?
 
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hi
middle finger according to USA....very simple...F ...U....very bad expression.....this is called MADHAMABYAM....according to vedas


regards
tbs
 
I am suprised to read all these!!! why is everyone acting so innocent as if they have never showed the Middle Finger gesture in their lifes!!!

Give me a break!!!
 
hi
middle finger according to USA....very simple...F ...U....very bad expression.....this is called MADHAMABYAM....according to vedas


regards
tbs

Good morning!

I think the American President must have mastered that part of Vedas!

http://badattitudes.com/MT/bush-finger1.jpg

Sorry, couldn't read many of the other posts yet, I was busy helping someone early in the morning who wanted to know where the bus stop was. I pointed my index finger at the southern direction and told him to walk quarter mile, but lo and behold a man was coming behind me and complained that my folded middlefinger was pointing to him!
 
"Context with icons is significant."


Really?.... Know this:

A rapist is asking the victim, "Didn't I smile while I violated you..and you were in pain and horror?"

According to which Veda is "showing the middle finger" a recommended way of God-given behavior?

As I said many times Vedas do not have a single commandment - this is deliberate.

There are no teachings like Taqiyya - euphemism would be 'end justifies any means' , in other words deception is justified and is not act of low integrity!

Now we have made analogies to crime of rape! This kind of logic is what I call - Taliban-logic. It is alien in Hindu thinking!

Given that the crime has been established, let us consult a copy of your religious text whatever it is and like your story let us stone the fellow quickly, Insha'Allah
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Soft does not mean stupid!
People do not 'fight' individuals, but they fight acts of injustice, behavior showing low character etc

I second this.Never underestimate anyone.Why do we need to play Matthew 5.39( " But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.") when God is not even supposed to exists.
 
Hey guys there has been lots of worse situations in Forum before and never did I see this much objection.
 
.Why do we need to play Matthew 5.39( " But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.")

Now that you brought up Old Testament, I am interested in knowing what the major differences are between Christianity and Hinduism.

Matthew 19:24 says a camel may go through the eye of a needle but it is harder for a rich man to enter gates of heaven

Clearly, old testament wants everyone to be a Socialist, give up their wealth for others (mainly to the Church!). Does any Hindu Script say that you must be a poor man to enter Heaven or does Hinduism doesn't care your finance status...
 
Good morning!

I think the American President must have mastered that part of Vedas!

http://badattitudes.com/MT/bush-finger1.jpg

Sorry, couldn't read many of the other posts yet, I was busy helping someone early in the morning who wanted to know where the bus stop was. I pointed my index finger at the southern direction and told him to walk quarter mile, but lo and behold a man was coming behind me and complained that my folded middlefinger was pointing to him!

Why leave out the current President Obama -
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Many claim that in many of the speeches during primaries he artfully gave this gesture to Hillary Clinton. Here is a link for you LoL pleasure

Is Obama giving "the finger" to Hillary Clinton? (WATCH VIDEO)
 
Now that you brought up Old Testament, I am interested in knowing what the major differences are between Christianity and Hinduism.

Matthew 19:24 says a camel may go through the eye of a needle but it is harder for a rich man to enter gates of heaven

Clearly, old testament wants everyone to be a Socialist, give up their wealth for others (mainly to the Church!). Does any Hindu Script say that you must be a poor man to enter Heaven or does Hinduism doesn't care your finance status...

There is no concept of heaven (eternal heaven)!
There are stories about Swarga which is a place for enjoyment - limited time for limited effort!

Hindusim does not care about finance status.

While Puranic stories did start with a message consistent with teachings of Dharma , over time they have been embellished making them more interesting. Sometimes the messages are lost over the years in some stories though people may retrofit some good message during interpretation.

Pursuits of security and desire are considered legitimate pursuits but not at all cost (which is what is happening today).
Accumulating wealth if done with minimal hurt to other beings is perfectly fine..
 
There is no concept of heaven (eternal heaven)!
There are stories about Swarga which is a place for enjoyment - limited time for limited effort!

Hindusim does not care about finance status.

While Puranic stories did start with a message consistent with teachings of Dharma , over time they have been embellished making them more interesting. Sometimes the messages are lost over the years in some stories though people may retrofit some good message during interpretation.

Pursuits of security and desire are considered legitimate pursuits but not at all cost (which is what is happening today).
Accumulating wealth if done with minimal hurt to other beings is perfectly fine..

Dear TKS,

We have been playing Amar too long,time for us to play Akbar & Anthony too.
Keep it going.

Amin/Amen
 
Why leave out the current President Obama -
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I like this guy Obama. It is easy to get his signature on anything if you tell him how to win elections. Just tell him to "become a Hindu and pray to RajiniKanth and you will win in 2012"!

http://www.punjabiportal.com/articles/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/rajnikant-obama.jpg

(ok, it was a photoshop unlike the Bush photo, but Obama political approach is more or less depicted in this image)

Other than that, I don't see any difference between any US Presidents in the past 30 years. Every one loves to wage wars, borrow and spend, and blame it all on the other guy!

And yes, God Exists! Rajini IS God!

http://www.bharatmatha.com/Rajini-is-God.jpg :) :)
 
35 pages, 346 posts, 377 likes, lot of vitriol, assumptions, misrepresentation, complete fabrication, all in an attempt to mock and ridicule, never addressing the title of the thread, only time the proponents of the proposition came close to the topic is when they offered lot of hocky pocky and claims of "superior logic", never once stating their position clearly and giving a succinct argument in its support. Why is it so hard to stick to topic and respect each other.

How about dropping all the shenanigans and returning to the topic. I have stated my position very clearly and have also answered all the serious objections. Instead of offering silly analogies, condescending mocks about my limitations to see superior logic, self congratulatory kudos and patronizing snides, offer your best arguments -- why do you think the proposition made in the OP is valid?

Cheers!
 
Renukaji,

Amar, Akbar and Antony - He is in all. God is one, but people call HIM
by different names - ekam sath............


Yes sir,
let me complete that.

Ekam Sat Viprah Bahuda Vadanti.

But nowadays do we really have Vipraha ?

Most of us are ignorant of the Truth and need God to blow away the clouds of of wrong doings and protect us... the ignorant.

Thats why Saint Thygaraja sang:

pāpa gaṇābhra samīraṇa pāmara
pālita pāvana nāma caṇa


O Wind that blows away the clouds of multitues of sins! O Protector of the ignorant! O Lord who is famous as having a holy name
 
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