Happy Thanksgiving

[renuka]

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Prana, presence, chakshus, family, friends, a chance to live the Dharma, smiles, Darshan, available food, community, gnaana, artha, health, and if you are a Saiva then the fact that we chant the Chamakam and god grants it, the opportunity to channel the Devi into our lives, Lord Vishnu's merciful patience, the beauty of Tamil language and cultural history, the richness of sanskrit, that there are a multitud of forms of yogas we may all engage in, for mental capacity and having discerning minds. The list is endless really.

Dear Boston,

Well said...Happy Thanks Giving.

 

[renuka]

Prana, presence, chakshus, family, friends, a chance to live the Dharma, smiles, Darshan, available food, community, gnaana, artha, health, and if you are a Saiva then the fact that we chant the Chamakam and god grants it, the opportunity to channel the Devi into our lives, Lord Vishnu's merciful patience, the beauty of Tamil language and cultural history, the richness of sanskrit, that there are a multitud of forms of yogas we may all engage in, for mental capacity and having discerning minds. The list is endless really.

Dear Boston,

Well said...Happy Thanks Giving.

You are truly a Universal Soldier..best of both the east and west in you.

 

[Raji Ram]

May be liked by Renuka Madam very much...!!!

:nono: Sir!! She will not like it.

These are real killings! out:

 

[Raghy]

Greetings.

Happy Thanksgiving! With pure vegetarian Wild Turkey too!

Wild Turkey (bourbon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ( used to be my choice about a decade ago!).

Cheers!

 

[kk4646]

Dear TVK, I take it from your tone that you live in the states these days and are unhappy with it or simply live in TN and speak from a place of incorrect education and assumption. Thanks for mentioning Thai Pongal it too is an awesome holiday. Let me try to assist your bent understanding of the Thanksgiving Holiday. These "DAYS" you are referring to are our national holiDAYS. This one in particular is one based on gratitude and showing appreciation for the gifts of life. In American culture we do not send greeting cards on Thanksgiving we call or visit family. If you buy a card and send it to someone on Thanksgiving it would generally be in addition to personally communicating with them and meant to give a physical memento for remembrance of the gratitude expressed. Regarding your belief that they are simply excuses to boost trade. This is false (although that argument can be strongly made for Valentines Day) the days has always been based on solidarity and gratitude and became a national holiday for "Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens" during the CIVIL WAR of the USA. When you live in a nation of our size that is as affluent as we generally are compared to other nations of similar size ANY single day widely celebrated by giving gifts is going to cause an explosion of commerce. Hence the "holiday buying season" that leads up to Christmas Day (a christian holiday). But I digress because we DO NOT GIVE GIFTS on Thanksgiving Day only the gift of shared time and food are given. Oh and messages... they cost nothing so unless you are devaluing contact with loved ones I do not understand where your venom is directed.

Dear Sir...

Thanks for understanding our land..the land of incorrect education and assumption...Pl. let us know your land of CORRECT education...the land of economic arrogance..the land of mass exploiter for their business interest...

We do not require these so called days to express our affection to our kith & kin.. Ours is the culture which based on the the very principle of FAMILY.. ofcourse it is a strange word for your culture as family is a replaceable commodity for you..
Is there any couple in your country living to-gether from marriage to death..?..None.. Because you people are not prepared adjust with likes and dislikes of each other and live happily.. For you love is a 'convenience' between the life partners..For your culture the love and affection measured by..how many times someone says 'I love' you or by the quantity/quality of gifts one is getting/giving.. When you can not sustain the very basis and continuation of your family.. you are simply making mockery of the very fabric of the society ..the Family.. by celebrating these days..Your culture ..let it be confined with you people and we do not want it to spoil ours and ours is the culture which is the guiding force for human relationship & bond..

Yes.. you need Father's day..Mother's day.. to get introduction to your biological connections.. because the very 'Life' itself

is 'tradable' for your culture..


TVK

 

[renuka]

Dear Sir...

Thanks for understanding our land..the land of incorrect education and assumption...Pl. let us know your land of CORRECT education...the land of economic arrogance..the land of mass exploiter for their business interest...

We do not require these so called days to express our affection to our kith & kin.. Ours is the culture which based on the the very principle of FAMILY.. ofcourse it is a strange word for your culture as family is a replaceable commodity for you..
Is there any couple in your country living to-gether from marriage to death..?..None.. Because you people are not prepared adjust with likes and dislikes of each other and live happily.. For you love is a 'convenience' between the life partners..For your culture the love and affection measured by..how many times someone says 'I love' you or by the quantity/quality of gifts one is getting/giving.. When you can not sustain the very basis and continuation of your family.. you are simply making mockery of the very fabric of the society ..the Family.. by celebrating these days..Your culture ..let it be confined with you people and we do not want it to spoil ours and ours is the culture which is the guiding force for human relationship & bond..

Yes.. you need Father's day..Mother's day.. to get introduction to your biological connections.. because the very 'Life' itself

is 'tradable' for your culture..


TVK

I know this is not addressed to me.

But the undertones are kind of harsh and I would say insulting.

I do not think we need to trade insults here as my culture..your culture syndrome.

Please don't forget "vasudhaiva kutumbakam"

 

[kk4646]

I know this is not addressed to me.

But the undertones are kind of harsh and I would say insulting.

I do not think we need to trade insults here as my culture..your culture syndrome.

Please don't forget "vasudhaiva kutumbakam"

Agreed.. My sincere appologies.. But the very posting..Thanksgiving to EVERYONE irritated me.. ..My appologies to BOSTON

sir..too..But my views about these DAYS stands....

TVK

 

[renuka]

Agreed.. My sincere appologies.. But the very posting..Thanksgiving to EVERYONE irritated me.. ..My appologies to BOSTON

sir..too..But my views about these DAYS stands....

TVK

Dear Sir,

I feel that Thanks Giving to everyone is fine cos we also have Caucasian members here like Boston who is so well versed in Sanathana Dharma.

I actually learn lots from his post too cos it oozes love for God.

So Thanks Giving day for him is like Pongal for the rest of us here.

There is no actual difference when it comes to thanking God.

All of us are are Jeevaatmas learning and sharing from each other.

Boston has always wished all of us for every Hindu festival..so we do not really lose anything making Thanks Giving our joy too.

In fact I always wonder why we fellow Hindus don't mind wishing each other Merry Chirstmas but do not wish each other Eid Mubarak?

I feel if we want to wish we should wish for all.

 

[kk4646]

Dear Sir,

I feel that Thanks Giving to everyone is fine cos we also have Caucasian members here like Boston who is so well versed in Sanathana Dharma.

I actually learn lots from his post too cos it oozes love for God.

So Thanks Giving day for him is like Pongal for the rest of us here.

There is no actual difference when it comes to thanking God.

All of us are are Jeevaatmas learning and sharing from each other.

Boston has always wished all of us for every Hindu festival..so we do not really lose anything making Thanks Giving our joy too.

In fact I always wonder why we fellow Hindus don't mind wishing each other Merry Chirstmas but do not wish each other Eid Mubarak?

I feel if we want to wish we should wish for all.

Everyone of my friends in Christianity and Muslims conveyed greetings to me for all the Hindu festivals.. In fact one my Muslim friend's wife talk to my wife wishing Deepavali greetings every year .. It all depends upon how we have the friendship with people of various religions.. We too reciprocate ...

But there is certainly difference exists between wishing for a Festival and wishing for a thrusted 'DAY'..

TVK

 

[Raghy]

Agreed.. My sincere appologies.. But the very posting..Thanksgiving to EVERYONE irritated me.. ..My appologies to BOSTON

sir..too..But my views about these DAYS stands....

TVK

Dear Sri. TVK Sir, Greetings.

It is nice to see you have toned down. I logged in to ask you you to tone down ( I read your earlier message sometime earlier; I was busy to reply then). Sri. Sankara did not bargain for such a message from anyone. His message was sincere. As the name suggests, it is thanks giving to everyone. They don't invite people willy nilly for thanks giving dinner either. Has to be close friend or family. I really respect Sankara's Thanks Giving wishes. Thank Giving is not a commercial drive. While holidaying in Canada I and my wife were discussing about Thanks giving in detail; we just stayed in the same inn.. that's all. That lady became our friend and she is regularly in touch with us. Thanks Giving has a magic to it.

Cheers!

 

[Raji Ram]

I read a story about 'The maid of the mist', when we visited the Niagara falls. On the Thanksgiving day, the prettiest maid in

a particular tribe will be pushed into the falls, as an 'offering' to God! Once, the daughter of the leader of the tribe was chosen

as the prettiest maid. When she was pushed into the falls, the heart broken leader also jumped into the falls and left this world!

The loud cry of that leader is supposed to be the loud roar of the Niagara falls.


Here is the story in Tamil, which appeared as a part of 'வியக்க வைக்கும் நயாகரா!'


நன்றி காட்டும் நாளாக 'Thanks giving' நாள் ஒன்று;
தொன்று தொட்டு வந்த கதை இந்த நாளைப் பற்றி உண்டு!

விசித்திரமாய் ஓர் இனத்தில் தொடர்ந்து வந்த வழக்கம் ஒன்று;
சித்திரம்போல் அழகு நங்கையை நீர்வீழ்ச்சியில் தள்ளுவதென்று!

இறைவனுக்கு நன்றி காட்ட, கொடும் நரபலி கொடுத்தனர்!
தலைவனுக்கு வந்தது சோதனை, அழகு மகள் வடிவத்தில்!

தன் மகளைத் தேர்ந்தெடுத்து, பலி கொடுத்து, மனமுடைந்து,
தன் உயிரும் மாய்த்துக் கொண்டான், நீரில் பாய்ந்து, வீழ்ந்து!

மனம் உடைந்த தலைவன போட்ட “ஓ” வென்ற ஓலம்தான்,
தினம் கேட்கும் நயாகராவின் ஓசையென்று கூறுகின்றார்!

 

[manoharkumar]

Dear TVK sir,
IMO may be they call all their festivals with sufix "days". It is their custom and being celebrated since ages... so it is not a thursted day (imo).

Wishing back a person trying to spread happiness around is not going to cost us anything but happiness.

Cheers sir!!

 

[kk4646]

Dear Sri. TVK Sir, Greetings.

It is nice to see you have toned down. I logged in to ask you you to tone down ( I read your earlier message sometime earlier; I was busy to reply then). Sri. Sankara did not bargain for such a message from anyone. His message was sincere. As the name suggests, it is thanks giving to everyone. They don't invite people willy nilly for thanks giving dinner either. Has to be close friend or family. I really respect Sankara's Thanks Giving wishes. Thank Giving is not a commercial drive. While holidaying in Canada I and my wife were discussing about Thanks giving in detail; we just stayed in the same inn.. that's all. That lady became our friend and she is regularly in touch with us. Thanks Giving has a magic to it.

Cheers!

"I really respect Sankara's Thanks Giving wishes."

I have no comment for it.. But did anytime a foreigner in these US & Canada greeted our Indian people for our festivals.. ?

My son was held up in US because of Sandy during Deepavali day...Eventhough his company people and his foreign colleagues knows..Deepavali is important festival for Indian..no one wished him for it..Not only this I know many foreigners in these countries never wished the Indians for any one of our festivals ..In such case why should we bent backwards and express our best wishes for something which in no way connected with us.. ?

TVK

 

[kk4646]

Dear TVK sir,
IMO may be they call all their festivals with sufix "days". It is their custom and being celebrated since ages... so it is not a thursted day (imo).

Wishing back a person trying to spread happiness around is not going to cost us anything but happiness.

Cheers sir!!

''It is their custom and being celebrated since ages"....

Let them happily have any no. of 'things' as they want.. But when it is posted in open forum .... I do have objections..whether it will be liked or not..

TVK

 

[kk4646]

I read a story about 'The maid of the mist', when we visited the Niagara falls. On the Thanksgiving day, the prettiest maid in

a particular tribe will be pushed into the falls, as an 'offering' to God! Once, the daughter of the leader of the tribe was chosen

as the prettiest maid. When she was pushed into the falls, the heart broken leader also jumped into the falls and left this world!

The loud cry of that leader is supposed to be the loud roar of the Niagara falls.


Here is the story in Tamil, which appeared as a part of 'வியக்க வைக்கும் நயாகரா!'


நன்றி காட்டும் நாளாக 'Thanks giving' நாள் ஒன்று;
தொன்று தொட்டு வந்த கதை இந்த நாளைப் பற்றி உண்டு!

விசித்திரமாய் ஓர் இனத்தில் தொடர்ந்து வந்த வழக்கம் ஒன்று;
சித்திரம்போல் அழகு நங்கையை நீர்வீழ்ச்சியில் தள்ளுவதென்று!

இறைவனுக்கு நன்றி காட்ட, கொடும் நரபலி கொடுத்தனர்!
தலைவனுக்கு வந்தது சோதனை, அழகு மகள் வடிவத்தில்!

தன் மகளைத் தேர்ந்தெடுத்து, பலி கொடுத்து, மனமுடைந்து,
தன் உயிரும் மாய்த்துக் கொண்டான், நீரில் பாய்ந்து, வீழ்ந்து!

மனம் உடைந்த தலைவன போட்ட “ஓ” வென்ற ஓலம்தான்,
தினம் கேட்கும் நயாகராவின் ஓசையென்று கூறுகின்றார்!

"Every religion has its own quota of such stories.."

TVK

 

[BostonSankara]

Please don't misunderstand me. When I spoke to where you were coming from I meant it as a personal space not Tamil Nadu. Anyone that has known me for any period of time knows I would never speak ill of that land. The US isn't as cut and dry as you might think. I can't sit and defend the nation this morning though becauase I have to go practice yoga in a half an hour.

BTW Mother's Day and Father's Day are a day of honor for each of our parents not when we get introduced to them later in life like some type of adoptees on a talk show. And yes, there are MANY marriages that last lifetimes here as well We have many broken families, and I indeed am the product of one, but you really can't paint us all with the same brush.

Anyway TVK, have a nice day

Dear Sir...

Thanks for understanding our land..the land of incorrect education and assumption...Pl. let us know your land of CORRECT education...the land of economic arrogance..the land of mass exploiter for their business interest...

We do not require these so called days to express our affection to our kith & kin.. Ours is the culture which based on the the very principle of FAMILY.. ofcourse it is a strange word for your culture as family is a replaceable commodity for you..
Is there any couple in your country living to-gether from marriage to death..?..None.. Because you people are not prepared adjust with likes and dislikes of each other and live happily.. For you love is a 'convenience' between the life partners..For your culture the love and affection measured by..how many times someone says 'I love' you or by the quantity/quality of gifts one is getting/giving.. When you can not sustain the very basis and continuation of your family.. you are simply making mockery of the very fabric of the society ..the Family.. by celebrating these days..Your culture ..let it be confined with you people and we do not want it to spoil ours and ours is the culture which is the guiding force for human relationship & bond..

Yes.. you need Father's day..Mother's day.. to get introduction to your biological connections.. because the very 'Life' itself

is 'tradable' for your culture..


TVK

 

[jaisiyaraam]

...Ours is the culture which based on the the very principle of FAMILY.. ofcourse it is a strange word for your culture as family is a replaceable commodity for you..
Is there any couple in your country living to-gether from marriage to death..?...TVK

Namaste TVKji

I have come across many a Indian (shall I be more specific, South Indian? Hindu? Tamilian? Brahmin? Iyer? Aiyengar? specific gothra?) couples married as per dharmashastras taking vows around sacred fire, raising kids (we educated & settled) yet NOT AT ALL loving/devouted/LOYAL/SINCERE to each other.

Also, I have come across many a Western (Non-Hindu? Non-Tamilian? Non-TamilBrahmin?) couples NOT EVEN MARRIED AS PER ANY RELIGIOUS TENETS but raising kids to be good citizens and living together loving each other sincerely. They dont even know about India (vedas? sanatana dharma? marriage?) yet they are loving couples raising healthy (mentally, socially) families.

Most of the successful couples are because of effort of a single person (wife or husband) that believes (fears) in marital relationship, family values, kids welfare.
Couples living together does not mean they are loving/sincere/loyal to each other ie Divorce was taboo in previous generations but no more (parents are accepting-supporting divorced kids and gradually society will also).
Current Generation Indian (shall I be more specific, South Indian? Hindu? Tamilian? Brahmin? Iyer? Aiyengar? specific gothra?) Couples are seeking divorce within couple of months of marriage and it is termed&acknowleged as IMPULSIVE divorce.

I guess you had/have the privilege of witnessing only the HAPPY FAMILIES, I wish God keeps you safe in your delicate glass house and refrains you from throwing stones on others.

Thanks
Jai SiyaRaam

 

[InquisitiveMind]

Yappy Thanksgiving!

 

[kk4646]

Namaste TVKji

I have come across many a Indian (shall I be more specific, South Indian? Hindu? Tamilian? Brahmin? Iyer? Aiyengar? specific gothra?) couples married as per dharmashastras taking vows around sacred fire, raising kids (we educated & settled) yet NOT AT ALL loving/devouted/LOYAL/SINCERE to each other.

Also, I have come across many a Western (Non-Hindu? Non-Tamilian? Non-TamilBrahmin?) couples NOT EVEN MARRIED AS PER ANY RELIGIOUS TENETS but raising kids to be good citizens and living together loving each other sincerely. They dont even know about India (vedas? sanatana dharma? marriage?) yet they are loving couples raising healthy (mentally, socially) families.

Most of the successful couples are because of effort of a single person (wife or husband) that believes (fears) in marital relationship, family values, kids welfare.
Couples living together does not mean they are loving/sincere/loyal to each other ie Divorce was taboo in previous generations but no more (parents are accepting-supporting divorced kids and gradually society will also).
Current Generation Indian (shall I be more specific, South Indian? Hindu? Tamilian? Brahmin? Iyer? Aiyengar? specific gothra?) Couples are seeking divorce within couple of months of marriage and it is termed&acknowleged as IMPULSIVE divorce.

I guess you had/have the privilege of witnessing only the HAPPY FAMILIES, I wish God keeps you safe in your delicate glass house and refrains you from throwing stones on others.

Thanks
Jai SiyaRaam

You are perfectly correct..The very de gradtion of our culture taking place because of the intrusion/invasion by the Western culture.. and being encouraged by the people ..who thinks it is perfectly right as it is the order of the day.. Instead of resisting this trend.... people especially the Indians ..[as per your definition..] wants to act 'more loyal than the King'..

"NOT EVEN MARRIED AS PER ANY RELIGIOUS TENETS"...As you yourself stated this trend is adopted by the western couples.. the simple question is Do You..support this..? Do the people who are well educated ..and prepared for the adoptability of western customs ..agree for this ..? Agrees at expense of the our tradition.., culture.. ?.. Now the latest is the living together by the same genders..Thank god ..there is no provision for these 'things' to produce their offsprings....
Yes.. I have the privilege of witnessing happy families not only in India but throught the world.. and very unfortunately the our culture is getting onslot not only from westerners but from our own people too..

"God keeps you safe in your delicate glass house and refrains you from throwing stones on others."..What exactly you want to say by this.. My objection was about the issue and nothing personal..If you want to take in the personal level I am ready for the mud-slugging .. When Renuka Madam suggested not treat in personal level ..I agreed and apologised.. .. Hope you will understand the issue properly..

TVK

 

[sravna]

I agree with Shri. TVK on this. Celebrating Mother's day or Father's great is great but what is the real motivation in our country for wanting to celebrate these days? It is mainly due to the fascination with all that is western and since these are celebrated in the west we just want to do the same.

It is really laughable that when real respect for one's father and mother is missing you want to show your imaginary affection by choosing a day for them. Let us try to be genuine in what we do and not make a mockery of values.

 

[kk4646]

I agree with Shri. TVK on this. Celebrating Mother's day or Father's great is great but what is the real motivation in our country for wanting to celebrate these days? It is mainly due to the fascination with all that is western and since these are celebrated in the west we just want to do the same.

It is really laughable that when real respect for one's father and mother is missing you want to show your imaginary affection by choosing a day for them. Let us try to be genuine in what we do and not make a mockery of values.

Dear Sir,

This is what I am stressing...Why the Indians living abroad have to wish/appreciate/adore/adopt which are in noway connected with our tradition/culture/way of life..

I have received Two mails yesterday latenight from my friends .[ from abroad only] .who are also members in TB.. I copy/pated them here..

Mail..[1].. I saw many Indians in USA who are more Americanised thatn Americans after going there. Everything American is next to godliness to them. Even Christmas they celebrate more than Americans.
As you said they need a day for everything....we don't need that. Family is a part of our life which is embedded. We don't need a special day.


I was reading on net today....
In USA the practice is that shopping for Christmas...everyone gives gifts to everyone....starts the day after Thanksgivng day. On the first day all the big shops give heavy discounts on everything and people stand in line from early morning itself. This time the big shops employees have some problems and demands...they are on strike today. So, people stood in queues for shopping instead of celebrating Thanksgiving (so called). The words that were used to discribe this..."People of USA offered their platter(naivadyam) to the God of consumerism...


Mail[2]..White Americans just say hi or good morning or good night. They smile when they see us in corridors and shake hands. That's all they maintain. Our people cling to them...invite them to their homes, feed them with nice Indian dishes. They happily eat, thank profusely, make some good conversation...but they never reciprocate and never invite us....and even if rarely invite us they do not make it a point to play the role of a good host. These are happy with the second rate treatment and feel happy. Children are the most confused ones in the whole scenario.....that is how the term ABCD (American born confused desis).

These mail are from people who see things without any bias....

TVK

 

[ShivKC]

"I really respect Sankara's Thanks Giving wishes."

.Deepavali is important festival for Indian..no one wished him for it..Not only this I know many foreigners in these countries never wished the Indians for any one of our festivals ..In such case why should we bent backwards and express our best wishes for something which in no way connected with us.. ?

TVK

hindu population in U.S is just 0.4%, and given an Indian map, many an average American may not know to precisely mark a dot for delhi or cant shade where indian ocean lies. once a CNN reporter covering cargil war said, the firing is going on near Yellow sea (Instead of L.O.C Line of control). expecting them to remember diwali and greet us on this day, is bit too much i think.

TVK sir, let me ask you, do you wish, at least remember the festivals dates of Jains/Sikhs/Buddhists, whose percentage in india is more than that of american hindus in U.S?

You can ignore them that they are living in up-north, they live in every corner of chennai in the name of automobile spare shops/Pawns shops/electrical shops, and by all chance we encounter then once in a week..

Why going so far!! Do you wish the dalits in your street, on their Ambedkar day, which is a great day fro them, celebrated with much more fan fare than diwali or pongal, with loud speakers in every corners of the slums? remembers, they constitute 30% of our population.

 

[kk4646]

hindu population in U.S is just 0.4%, and given an Indian map, many an average American may not know to precisely mark a dot for delhi or cant shade where indian ocean lies. once a CNN reporter covering cargil war said, the firing is going on near Yellow sea (Instead of L.O.C Line of control). expecting them to remember diwali and greet us on this day, is bit too much i think.

TVK sir, let me ask you, do you wish, at least remember the festivals dates of Jains/Sikhs/Buddhists, whose percentage in india is more than that of american hindus in U.S?

You can ignore them that they are living in up-north, they live in every corner of chennai in the name of automobile spare shops/Pawns shops/electrical shops, and by all chance we encounter then once in a week..

Why going so far!! Do you wish the dalits in your street, on their Ambedkar day, which is a great day fro them, celebrated with much more fan fare than diwali or pongal, with loud speakers in every corners of the slums? remembers, they constitute 30% of our population.

Dear Sir,

Pl. see my post #34.. Wishing some one depends upon ..how close you are or they are.. I am not politician for wishing people on the basis of their percentage of population.. or community wise . I am pretty sure non of you will also not do..
My objection is very simple.. Why we Indians have to glorify the culture/traditions of westerners by posting in public forum..which will not be reciprocated .. Pl. see the mails received & posted by me..

TVK

 

[sravna]

Dear Sir,

Pl. see my post #34.. Wishing some one depends upon ..how close you are or they are.. I am not politician for wishing people on the basis of their percentage of population.. or community wise . I am pretty sure non of you will also not do..
My objection is very simple.. Why we Indians have to glorify the culture/traditions of westerners by posting in public forum..which will not be reciprocated .. Pl. see the mails received & posted by me..

TVK

Well said Shri. TVK. At least if we are glorifying something to which there is substance, it might make sense. But most of them are mindless aping.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

gathanu gathi loka:

munnirpavanai pinpattruvathu ulagu.

world will follow the forerunners

they are running in front with their ability to fool the world with their monetary system .