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BostonSankara said:
We all sit as judges in the kangaroo courts of our own egos, TVK. Not only are you good at this but you seem to find ways to point out how I am as well no matter how hard I try to behave to the contrary! Certainly not a celestial aspect of our nature but part of our human nature nonetheless. My interpretation of what makes a Brahmin are completely different from your own. Of that there is no doubt! You see I use Brahmin as an honorary title for dedicated beings who channel god for the good of man, you seem to define it as a class and race of people. You view it as a culture while I view it as a culture AND a responsibility to the world. You believe no one can BECOME a Brahmin except through birth. I counter that it is a high goal of man to behave toward god and man with the traditional value set of the Brahmin who sacrifices most all in order to tend the yajna. You seem to consider it a priviledge, I consider it a height aspired to but never fully attained. I side with Tirumoolar on the fact that kudumi and a knotted cotton thread do not a Brahmin make. It is only through self-less sacrifice is the Brahmin dharmic nature realized and the exalted position attained. These are ALL issues we can happily debate. I welcome you to start a thread if you would like. I am opinionated and open minded. I am happy to engage.

With all that said, today is my birthday (a ripe old 34!!!!) so I ask that we conclude this discussion in some way that takes the venom from it. That's really all I can say. Love to you all. I seriously mean that. Also, sincerest thanks to all of you, those who have shown me support and those who do not support me or my views. The Internet is an International house and we must treat it as such.

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Many..Many happy returns of the day Sir.. I have nothing against anyone or anyone's views.. .but I feel I do have the right of posting my opinion..as everybody has..

As you say..I too wants to conclude this prolonged discussions unless someone wants to raise it up again.. Your views of Bramin/Brahmanism is correct as for as you are concerned..but I view Brahmin/Brahmanism with respect to present day world and there are NO Brahmin exists ..I do not like to start a new thread as it will not serve any purpose ..

with regards,

TVK
 
Some opinions, responses and rejoinders are disturbing. Though I am past 74 I really envy people who may be very well younger to me, who brim with so much immaturity even at that level. It is a forum where everybody can express differing opinions more effectively than the other. But to slide down to languages of marble-playing kids level is a bit off taste for the unbiased grownups. The language will ultimately hurt the person who shot it than the receiver. We all should know our expressions can at best satisfy our ego but become totally useless as the time passes.
 
BostonSankara said:
We all sit as judges in the kangaroo courts of our own egos, TVK. Not only are you good at this but you seem to find ways to point out how I am as well no matter how hard I try to behave to the contrary! Certainly not a celestial aspect of our nature but part of our human nature nonetheless. My interpretation of what makes a Brahmin are completely different from your own. Of that there is no doubt! You see I use Brahmin as an honorary title for dedicated beings who channel god for the good of man, you seem to define it as a class and race of people. You view it as a culture while I view it as a culture AND a responsibility to the world. You believe no one can BECOME a Brahmin except through birth. I counter that it is a high goal of man to behave toward god and man with the traditional value set of the Brahmin who sacrifices most all in order to tend the yajna. You seem to consider it a priviledge, I consider it a height aspired to but never fully attained. I side with Tirumoolar on the fact that kudumi and a knotted cotton thread do not a Brahmin make. It is only through self-less sacrifice is the Brahmin dharmic nature realized and the exalted position attained. These are ALL issues we can happily debate. I welcome you to start a thread if you would like. I am opinionated and open minded. I am happy to engage.

With all that said, today is my birthday (a ripe old 34!!!!) so I ask that we conclude this discussion in some way that takes the venom from it. That's really all I can say. Love to you all. I seriously mean that. Also, sincerest thanks to all of you, those who have shown me support and those who do not support me or my views. The Internet is an International house and we must treat it as such.

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Happy Birthday!

I admire the level of maturity you have shown at such an young age in your posts..


Human nature includes broad mindedness as well as narrow mindedness and this is observed in all cultures around the world. Truly wise and mature people are not affected by display of such attributes.

I wish you all the best in your quest to learn on this occasion.
 
kk4646 said:
Sorry Madam...I differ with you.. pl. see my post #38..Even in India the Americans who lives in the places like Chennai never extended their wishes to Indains..This is known fact and I happened know from one of my consulate friend.. For them these things are irrelevent..

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Absolutely True!!!

When you were been offered with shelter and the ways and means to improve your prosperity you would certainly love to participate with the joy of your host. NRI's and other expats in America are there in America not for nothing BUT for everything and are very happy and satisfied. When the country and country's people have peacefully accommodated them and let them prosper (obviously with their hard work), It becomes obvious and sensible to participate in American's festivity and concepts of expressions of kind gesture and wish them on the days of significance.

Where as, I hardly could believe that Americans and Europeans who all are stationed in India on specific accountability would ever be having the pride and the pleasure of being in India and would ever have the sense of gratitude towards India and Indians and would happily and whole heartedly end up wishing Indians on their days of Festivity..


IMHO, having the life formed and improved for much butter and having been offered with fair deal, the NRI's and other nationals in America are just doing what exactly has to be obviously done, honestly with sense of true pleasure. The only thing is, they should not lose their sense of love, respect and interest in their own culture and tradition.
 
Dear Boston Sankara,

A very Happy Birthday, Jug jug Jeeyo.. :-)
My very best wishes to you.. I admire you man.. you are truly blessed human, who is not only rational but also forgiving.. you are practicing what you preach..good for you..

Subhalakshmi/Bushu :-)
 
C RAVI said:
Absolutely True!!!

When you were been offered with shelter and the ways and means to improve your prosperity you would certainly love to participate with the joy of your host. NRI's and other expats in America are there in America not for nothing BUT for everything and are very happy and satisfied. When the country and country's people have peacefully accommodated them and let them prosper (obviously with their hard work), It becomes obvious and sensible to participate in American's festivity and concepts of expressions of kind gesture and wish them on the days of significance.

Where as, I hardly could believe that Americans and Europeans who all are stationed in India on specific accountability would ever be having the pride and the pleasure of being in India and would ever have the sense of gratitude towards India and Indians and would happily and whole heartedly end up wishing Indians on their days of Festivity..


IMHO, having the life formed and improved for much butter and having been offered with fair deal, the NRI's and other nationals in America are just doing what exactly has to be obviously done, honestly with sense of true pleasure. The only thing is, they should not lose their sense of love, respect and interest in their own culture and tradition.
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What is that you wish to convey?
The president of USA wishes all depavali greeting, The US ambassador expressed his wishes on Deevali. Anni Basent, or mother theresa were more Indian. There are lot of foreign nationals who have settled in India and adopted Indian culture. Just because of some bad Indians having met some of their kind Americans, you can not generalize all foreigners.

Just because an NRI is not in India, it does not mean that they have given up Indian culture. Indian culture and Hindu religion is flourishing through out the world because of these PIO's.
If the NRI's in addition to their Indian culture adopt the culture of their adopted nation, it is to be admired not deplored by these self appointed "upholder of Indian Culture".

I am tired of these narrow minded "disgruntled Indians", who can not be civil to "mehman" and claim to be cultured Indians.
 
Subhalakshmi said:
Dear Boston Sankara,

A very Happy Birthday, Jug jug Jeeyo.. :-)
My very best wishes to you.. I admire you man.. you are truly blessed human, who is not only rational but also forgiving.. you are practicing what you preach..good for you..

Subhalakshmi/Bushu :-)
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Well said, I join Ms. Bushu in wishing you a happy birthday.
 
sravna said:
Dear Shri.Prasad,

One should not consider Shri. TVK's sentiments as insulting. An insult is something when disrespect is shown. I do not think that Shri. TVK has been disrespectful of anything. He was only showing his displeasure that we are giving something an undue importance. I totally agree with that. Anything wrong with that?
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Mr. Sravna,
How do you justify Mr. TVK criticizing Mr. Boston Shankar, or me just because we appreciate other cultures. There is good in every culture that we should adopt. Neither Mr. Shankar or I suggested anybody to give up Indian culture, what ever they may be. I can bet Mr. TVK is not the torch bearer for Indian culture. I can challenge Mr. TVK does not know all of Indian Culture. I will even go so far that he can not even claim to represent 10% of Indian culture. It is arrogant to claim the exclusive knowledge of Indian culture or to proclaim to be the sole protector of Indian culture.

Thanking your host for hospitality is very much Indian Culture, and being ungracious guest is totally against Indian Culture.
That is what is wrong with Mr. TVK's outburst.
 
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ShivKC said:
hindu population in U.S is just 0.4%, and given an Indian map, many an average American may not know to precisely mark a dot for delhi or cant shade where indian ocean lies. once a CNN reporter covering cargil war said, the firing is going on near Yellow sea (Instead of L.O.C Line of control). expecting them to remember diwali and greet us on this day, is bit too much i think.

TVK sir, let me ask you, do you wish, at least remember the festivals dates of Jains/Sikhs/Buddhists, whose percentage in india is more than that of american hindus in U.S?

You can ignore them that they are living in up-north, they live in every corner of chennai in the name of automobile spare shops/Pawns shops/electrical shops, and by all chance we encounter then once in a week..

Why going so far!! Do you wish the dalits in your street, on their Ambedkar day, which is a great day fro them, celebrated with much more fan fare than diwali or pongal, with loud speakers in every corners of the slums? remembers, they constitute 30% of our population.
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Mr. Shickc,
Thank you very much for the post.
 
sravna said:
Dear Shri.Prasad,

One should not consider Shri. TVK's sentiments as insulting. An insult is something when disrespect is shown. I do not think that Shri. TVK has been disrespectful of anything. He was only showing his displeasure that we are giving something an undue importance. I totally agree with that. Anything wrong with that?
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Mr. Sravna,
I do not know what is your grudge against USA, nor does it matter to me.
But when you call a mother any name disrespectful of her stature, it shows your culture. Similarly when dis-respect others culture, it shows the lack of culture on your part.
I am sorry I did not know your this side. I was always impressed by your knowledge of Advaita philosophy.
 
prasad1 said:
Mr. Sravna,
How do you justify Mr. TVK criticizing Mr. Boston Shankar, or me just because we appreciate other cultures. There are good in every culture that we should adopt. Neither Mr. Shankar or I suggested anybody to give up Indian culture, what ever they may be. I can bet Mr. TVK is not the torch bearer for Indian culture. I can challenge Mr. TVK does not know all of Indian Culture. I will even go so far that he can not even claim to represent 10% of Indian culture. It is arrogant to claim thew exclusive knowledge of Indian culture or to proclaim to be the sole protector of Indian culture.

Thanking your host for hospitality is very much Indian Culture, and being ungracious guest is totally against Indian Culture.
That is what is wrong with Mr. TVK's outburst.
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No, No Shri Prasad. Shri.TVK's point repeatedly was that when the Americans do not care about Indian culture why should we show so much interest in theirs. I am not saying that this attitude is correct or wrong. But it is per se not disrespectful or arrogant in any way. That's my point. The rudeness is only on the surface but the real point made by Shri.TVK was not in any way it has been attributed to be such as arrogant or hateful or disrespectful etc. I agree however the Indians there have to assimilate the American culture.
 
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Mr. Sravna,
I do not know what is your grudge against USA, nor does it matter to me.
But when you call a mother any name disrespectful of her stature, it shows your culture. Similarly when dis-respect others culture, it shows the lack of culture on your part.
I am sorry I did not know your this side. I was always impressed by your knowledge of Advaita philosophy.
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Dear Shri Prasad,

I have no grudge against U.S.A. It is just my natural reaction when I see people soaked so much in materialism that I think I should do my mite for the purpose of some balance.

thanks for your compliment:)
 
sravna said:
No, No Shri Prasad. Shri.TVK's point repeatedly was that when the Americans do not care about Indian culture why should we show so much interest in theirs. I am not saying that this attitude is correct or wrong. But it is per se not disrespectful or arrogant in any way. That's my point. The rudeness is only on the surface but the real point made by Shri.TVK was not in any way it has been attributed to be such as arrogant or hateful or disrespectful etc. I agree however the Indians there have to assimilate the American culture.
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How many Americans should show respect of Indian culture? How many PIO's are in USA? How many American are in India? How many American you or Mr. TVK know that did not respect Indian culture? If you had bad experience with the US consulate people, who have to be critical of people trying to get visa that does not count.

How many ordinary American you know who are disrespectful of Indian Culture. What right you or Mr. TVK have to spoil the relationship that PIO's have established with people in USA.
Why is thanks giving so un-Indian?
 
prasad1 said:
How many Americans should show respect of Indian culture? How many PIO's are in USA? How many American are in India? How many American you or Mr. TVK know that did not respect Indian culture? If you had bad experience with the US consulate people, who have to be critical of people trying to get visa that does not count.

How many ordinary American you know who are disrespectful of Indian Culture. What right you or Mr. TVK have to spoil the relationship that PIO's have established with people in USA.
Why is thanks giving so un-Indian?
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Dear Shri Prasad,

I cannot speak for Shri.TVK but certainly it is not my intent to antagonize the American public with my statements. I personally feel one need not get so sensitive over what I think was an innocuous comment.
 
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Dear Sri Boston Sankara,
Wishing you a Happy Birthday,
Satamaanam bhavati sataayuH puruShaH satendriyaH aayuShyevendriye pratitiShThati"
Blessings,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
 
Raji Ram said:
Dear Ravi,
:cool: down!! All the :argue: are over....
Please do not restart it! :peace:
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Dear Madam,

May I know what I started about which you are worried???

Do you feel that I am being rude in my post? I am being spitting venom on some one? I have used abusive language?? What have you found wrong in my posting??


Please enlighten me so that I can correct myself.
 
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C RAVI said:
Dear Madam,

May I know what I started about which you are worried???

Do you feel that I am being rude in my post? I am being spitting venom on some one? I have used abusive language??

What have you found wrong in my posting??

Please enlighten me so that I can correct myself.
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Dear Ravi,

I never thought of anything you have written above. This is a very delicate issue and just now it has cooled down.

Did you see the posts following yours? This is what I feared. Nothing else. Hope I am clear!

Take care........ :)
 
Raji Ram said:
Dear Ravi,

I never thought of anything you have written above. This is a very delicate issue and just now it has cooled down.

Did you see the posts following yours? This is what I feared. Nothing else. Hope I am clear!

Take care........ :)
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Dear Madam,

I am least bothered to see who go crazy and how things shoots up here, as per one's mental make up.

If some one go mad just for my personal views that are in contrast of his/her views, I am not responsible.


None of the members can be threatened and suppressed from expressing their views and sharing their experiences, as long as the postings are civil and not making any personal attacks.

If a member does not have the right spirit to be exposed himself to different views and if he/she ends up hurting others and making unsubstantial occusations just because the other has expressed different views, then, that is what is the matter of concern to all the others and the disturbing person need to be warned/requested to calm down etc..etc.


By requesting me to calm down and requesting me to not to start again, you are doing a great injustice to myself and other forum members.

I have lot of love and respect towards you. I met you in person and I could read you well to the best of my capabilities. As such, I have not taken you negatively and am not offended.

This being a public forum, I am been forced to be curt and right in my statements, in response to that of yours. Hope you can understand and would not mistake me.

 
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........... By requesting me to calm down and requesting me to not to start again, you are doing a great injustice to myself and other forum members.........
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Dear Ravi,

I have seen a few members who never get tired of arguing and making personal attacks. I thought I can talk to you more freely.

May be, I am wrong?!! Anyway, I learnt a lesson today and shall not to call for peace anymore in forum. :tape:
 
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