Hinduism Vs Rest - Part- Ii

[NARAS]

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Will China Attack India??

sirs- we all know though there are numerous subsects among bramins, there are 2 major divisions only - saivism (followers of lord shiva) & vaishnavism (followers of lord vishnu) . but had lord brahma not been cursed by lord shiva that brahma should not be worshipped as a god anymore because brahma had spoken a lie once, then there may well have been an another 3rd division followrs of lord brama (may they would have been called as brahma bramins!)

only some sub sects of bramins ,and not all of them , once upon a time had the habit of eating meat, but without killing animals. these sects were followers & descendants of converts to brahminism from other sects. some sects of bramins in some parts of india, do consume meat, but just like brahacharanam sect they are considered relatively last among bramins.(only relatively)

sikhs in many parts of india are violently protesing against a man of their own community publicly appearing as a sikh guru, whereas hindus have not even protested non violently against a voyeuristic pornographer painting hindu gods and goddesses nude and naked! as usual , the 'secular' english media and channels have propped up the pornographic painter on the excuse of upholding 'secularism', but have , out of fear, refused to condemn the violent, organised protests by sikh mobs.

china has once again said that arunachal pradesh, is not part of india, but part of china. this public declaration that arunachal pradesh is a disputed territory, makes one wonder whether china is going to attack india again. why are the so called 'secular' channels and media keeping quite???

 

[NARAS]

The Karunanidhi - Aurangazeb Of South India!

SIRS - just like aurangazeb, the karunanidh is hell bent on destroying symbols of hindu culture, the latest example being the fascist attempt to demolish the holy ramar bridge. the karunanidhi is the aurangazeb of south india. will god send a shivaji again to destroy this aurangazeb????

 

[NARAS]

sirs - a boy in a gujarat university had painted hindu goddesses nude and with the support of the dean displayed them publicly. the gujarat govt. confiscated the paintings and arrested the boy and suspended the dean, and rightly so. suddenly, this boy, whose acadamic record is so ordinary even his parents do not feel proud of him, has become the symbol of secularism for indian english media! and this dean, who has not made news before even for wrong reasons, sees his name and photos splashed on pages of all english newspapers. it seems the entire media has adopted this painter and dean as poster boys for secularism! all this not for achieving anything spectacular at any level in education - just because they painted hindu goddesses nude!!!

about a month back, even if this dean had committed suicide, no journalist from even a single newspaper or channel would have cared. but today, each and every statement of his is being printed or telecast as if he is a kargil hero who has risked his life to defend india's borders! a dean and a student whose academic record is so poor their own families do not care for them, a dean and a student whose name is not known much even in their own campus find themselves at the centre stage of total publicity all over the country just because they painted hindu gods without any clothes on their bodies! just like this, M.F. HUSAIN, a pornograhic painter, whose birth or death would normally not have made it even to the last pages of english newspapers always finds his name printed on top of all ist pages of all newspapers- just because he has qualified himself to be a 'secularist' by painting hindu gods naked!

a few years back, even hussain's own wife would not have bothered if anything had happened to him. but today even if the fellow sneezes, the whole english media catches cold!

 

[hariharan1972]

Congratulations.....

will god send a shivaji again to destroy this aurangazeb????

Suresh sir,

Whether Kailasha Shankar is sending or not, Kodambakka Shankar is sending his Sivaji soon !!!!!!

Congratulations, you have crossed 1000 posts in the forum.

 

[NARAS]

Suresh sir,

Whether Kailasha Shankar is sending or not, Kodambakka Shankar is sending his Sivaji soon !!!!!!

sirs - Hari - probably it is not necessary for god to send a shivaji to tackle the karunanidhi- with sons like azhagiri and relatives like dayanidhi maran, there is no need for any enemy to finish off the karunanidhi!!

 

[NARAS]

'sacrifices' Of The 'periar'!!!

SIRS - it is being propagated that the 'periar' is a reformer who sacrificed his entire life for the upliftment of the so called downtrodden. what are his sacrifices??

1. sacrificing decency and flirting with many women in public when he was an youngster!
2. sacrificing inner party democracy by openly rebelling aginst mahatma gandhiji.!
3. sacrificing patriotism by openly functioning as a stooge of the british.!
4. sacrificing public decorum by openly abusing all his opponents in the cheapest language.!
5. sacrificing memory of his ist wife by 'marrying' for the 2nd time a women young enough to be called his grand daughter!
6. sacrificing his opposition to the congress party by supporting the congress once it came to power!
7. sacrificing his opposition to dmk by supporting dmk once dmk also came to power!
8. sacrificing his support for total prohibition by closing his mouth when the karunanidhi opened alcohol for public consumption!
9. sacrificing his so called commitment to ethics in public life by not opposing the dmk's corruption in the 70s!
10. sacrificing democracy by not conducting inner party elections in his organisation even once!
11. sacrificing gratitude by openly betraying mahatma gandhiji!!!
truly a great 'sacrificer' indeed!

the irony is , had this 'periar' been a congressman throughout his life, he would have died as a lonely ramasamynaicken. just because he became a 'rationalist' the same persons who were so ruthlessly abused by him are now penning hosannas about the fellow!
for e.g. the 'periar' abused that a communist is one who prospers by licking feet of others. and now, today, communists are eulogising the 'periar ' more than even DK OR dmk! the periar said congress party should be wiped out of india if the country is to prosper. and congressmen today garland his statue and fall at the feet of his potraits ! the 'periar' fumed that cinema should be abolished if society is to develop. and today, most tamil cinema persons are open admirers of the 'periar'!!!

 

[NARAS]

sirs - like the 'periar' take the case of babri masjid. it was a forlorn, deserted building which no muslim visited or offered prayers. but once votaries of hinduism tried to convert the place into a ram temple, suddenly this isolated place became a symbol of secularism and human rights overnight!!!!!

 

[NARAS]

'periar' caught red handed- with his pants down!!!

sirs-we all know orthodox hindus believe lord rama built a bridge to srilanka to go to lanka where mother sita was imprisoned by ravana. it is said a squirrel also helped lord rama in this effort. to thank the squirrel, lord rama affectionately patted the squirrel on the back, and as a result hindus believe all squirrels have 3 marks on their backs. the 'periar' ridicules this belief saying if this is true, then sita should also have 3 marks on her back, or otherwise it would mean lord rama has never touched sita at all! what a fool! if there are 3 marks on the back of a 3 year old girl, does this mean lord rama has sexually touched that girl????

(cinema lyricist 'diamondu' vairamuthu, who calls himself as a kaviperrarasan has mentioned about this absurd remark of the 'periar' in the film 'periar')

 

[Kothai]

can you explain?

"some sects of bramins in some parts of india, do consume meat, but just like kausiga kothram they are considered relatively lower among bramins."

sir,

My father belongs to Kaushiga gothram and I've never heard of anything as you've mentioned. Can you explain this with any proof or something? I just want to know.

 

[NARAS]

sirs- i did not say that kausiga bramins consume meat. i have heard & read that some bramin bengali sects consume fish. but these sects , i understand are considered descendants of converts from other sects to bramins.

 

[Kothai]

Hope I was not specific

"but just like kausiga kothram they are considered relatively lower among bramins."

I raised question about your above quote which means that people belonging to Kausiga Gothram are considered relatively lower among brahmins.
I understood that you are not saying that K.Gothram people consume meat.

Regardin Bengali Brahmins, I know that they consume fish as fish is considered to be the main food item there. But as for as meat is considered I am not sure.
Sir, please enlighten me in the above mentioned point regarding K.Gothram

 

[NARAS]

Kowshika Is Actually Highest!!!

sirs - FROM http://srivaishnavan.com/servlet/message?ID=279, i understandthere are about 20- kothrams - Aatreya, agastya, bhadarayana, bharadwaja, gargya, harita, kanva, kashyapa, kaundinya, kowsika, kutsa, mowdkalya, naitruvakaasyapa, paraasara, sandilya, shatamarshana, srivatsa, sunkriti, vatula & viswamitra. but among bramins only 4 are dominant - bharadwaya, kaundinya, srivatsa & kowsika. but the sect considered relatively last, again i repeat relatively last is brahacharanam. even i am not sure what is the exact reason.

about bengali bramins, yes i stand corrected. it is not meat but fish which some of them consume.

another correction - KOWSHIKA IS ACTUALLY HIGHEST & CONSIDERED MOST SUPERIOR KOTHRAM!!!

 

[Kothai]

While Viswamitra was the title given to King Koushika ,then why there are 2 Gothrams after his name?

And I've heard that Vadama sect is considered to be relatively higher among the four. Am I right?

 

[NARAS]

sirs - i think superiorty & inferiorty is based more on numbers. the group which forms the majority, always claim superiority! but IMHO there is nothing inferior or superior among various bramin sects as long as all of them are vegetarians.

koushika kothram, i think is derived from king kusha, grandfather of vishwamithra. but vishwamithra kothram is directly derived from vishwamithra himself.

 

[Kothai]

again proof needed

sir,
It will be good if u provide proof for your quotes in BIG RED LETTERS.
Once again , I think u r wrong regarding Brahacharnam.
It's one of 4 subsects viz., Vadama, Vaathima, Brahacharnam and Ashtasahasram.

 

[NARAS]

sirs - i do not have any proof. but i have heard from an elderly bramin women, a mother of my friend about brahacharanam. since most of her views about brahminism were found to be correct, based on that credibility, i have mentioned this quote, although i myself am not 100% sure about the reasons behind this .

 

[NARAS]

'periar' caught red handed- with his pants down again!!!

sirs- most of the so called hegemony of bramins was during british rule. why did the 'periar' then support the british rule????

 

[NARAS]

sirs - vadamas are 'considered' 'superior' because of their emphasis on sanskrit. thenkalai emphasis on tamil. am i right?

 

[NARAS]

sirs - people talk about how the karunanidhi and the 'periar' lived such a long life and even when they were old enough they were very 'active'. but so was the paramacharya. he lived upto 100 yrs. he led an austere life. he never enjoyed any pleasure of life which human beings do. unlike the karunanidhi & the 'periar' who lived and enjoyed life like playboys with so much of wealth, the paramacharya lived a life which nobody can even think of. he was an orthodox saint and the orthodoxy he practiced was of such high quality, persons like the karunanidhi are not qualified to even mention his name! the paramacharya never took any medicine, injection or tablet through out his life. he did not need any external physical support to walk or stand, unlike some 'rationalists' .

 

[NARAS]

sirs = 'rationalists' are saying that the present day bramins have to punished to so called 'mistakes' committed by their ancestors? what sort of 'rationality' is this? there is no provision in law or constitution to punish a person for mistakes committed by his forefathers. a person can be punished only if he or she has committed any penal offence!

but who knows? if a law is passed that all bramins have to be jailed for some time as their ancestor had 'committed many crimes' there may be many judges in india, willing to accept this argument, on the basis of 'social justice' & 'secularism'!!!!!

 

[NARAS]

sirs = due to caste quotas, bramins have been kept away from govt. jobs and education. now the yellow shawlist, karunanidhi, wants to keep bramins away from the only place where they are dominating - temples!


there are 2 types of temples - bramin temples & non bramins temples. in non bramin temples like melmaruvathur, bramins are not allowed to dominate. but bramins have never complained. now, the yellow shawlist plans to impose non bramins as priests even in bramin temples, thus destroying the very identity of these temples. how can non bramins become priests in bramin temples. the very fact that they are bramin temples shows that only bramins can be priests. then is it not illegal, unconstitutional and immoral to impose non bramins? the constitution does not say anywhere that becoming a priest is a fundamental right. in fact, the constitution does not even say that getting a govt. job or a seat in an institution of higher education is a fundamental right. so even the existing caste quotas are blatantly violant of indian constitution. so the move of the yellow shawlist to impost non bramins in bramin temples is a grave offence, punishable- if not by law, certainly by god!

 

[NARAS]

SIRS- some persons are wondering , if so many atheists are having such a good life, why should we believe in god at all. well there are so many persons who live without eyes, legs, hands etc., so many persons live wihout mental stability.does this mean all of them can live like that? there are certain categories like athiests which have always to be in a minority, if society must prosper !

 

[NARAS]

Saivism Vs Vaishnavism!

sirs - once upon a time, in saivism, unlike in vaishnavism, persons of other varnas were allowed to convert to brahminism, and as is well known , some of these bramins occassionally did consume meat. but after the advent of dwaidha of madhavacharyar, even saivism seems to have been influenced so much so that, like vaishnavism, conversions & meat eating were totally banned and saivism also became a pure, vegetarian religion, thanks to influence of pro-bramin vaishnava religion, and not anti bramin jainism or buddhism.

dwaidha says both man & god are different,though god created man. advaita of great Adhisankarar says man & god are one & the same. vishishtadvaita of Ramanujar says both man & god are different, but become one in the end. it seems, the emergence of dwaidha was a turning point in vaishnavism first and then saivism also, as to keep pace with high standards of vaishnavism, saivism had also to reform itself.

 

[NARAS]

sirs= the violence in rajasthan by casteist groups demanding quotas, clearly shows that as long as caste quotas prevail, people will identity themselves more with caste rather than religion or country. if caste quotas are abolished, people will identify themselves as hindus and indians as there is no other way out. thus, abolishing caste quotas is best way to enforce national integration. caste quotas breed anti nationalism, separatism and secessionism.

 

[NARAS]

some clarifications...

sirs- i think there is nothing wrong in family politics, i.e. persons of same family entering politics. what is wrong is dynastic politics, where irrespective of merit, experience or talent, plum posts are reserved for members of the same family.

2. the paramacharya of kanchi is a great authority on saivism, but not on vaishnavism.