Hinduism Vs Rest

[Shanti Brahm]

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Temples were Brothels in the 1940's and 50's??????

Temples were conrolled by the right people we got independence.What was the result?Shudras were denied temple entry,shudra women were made to work as prostitutes in temples as devadasis.

Only after this oppressive totalitarian regime took control of temples prostitution in temples (devadasi system) was stopped.Till government took over temples functioned as brothels and centers that propogate untouchability.

Which is more ludicrous madam?Believers ruining temples or unbelievers saving temples?

If athesists fight for right for dalits to enter temples,that is the height of irony. We Hindus bought such a shame to our religion.Shame on us.

Now I'm not sure if you are even being serious. Shall I quote you on other forums? This is an example of someone who wasn't there who has no idea creating false stories of things that have never happened.

There is a theory that at ancient times before Muslim rule that some temples were also brothels, but I'm old enough to know what temples were like right after independence. Are you even really from India?

 

[goundamani]

Now I'm not sure if you are even being serious. Shall I quote you on other forums? This is an example of someone who wasn't there who has no idea creating false stories of things that have never happened.

There is a theory that at ancient times before Muslim rule that some temples were also brothels, but I'm old enough to know what temples were like right after independence. Are you even really from India?

From wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devadasi

Devadasi देवदासी (in Sanskrit "servant of god") is a religious practice still found in some Hindu communities, especially in southern India, in which young girls are "married" to a deity or a temple. Then, upper-caste men can have sexual intercourse with them for a price. Devadasi should not be confused with rajadasis and other types of dancers. The institution of devadasi-like professions are also known by various other local terms.

From the website of university of florida

http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spring02/Chattaraj/genesis.html

Devadasi system is a religious practice in parts of southern India, including Andhra Pradesh, whereby parents marry a daughter to a deity or a temple.The marriage usually occurs before the girl reaches puberty and requires the girl to become a prostitute for upper-caste community members. Such girls are known as jogini. They are forbidden to enter into a real marriage.

On the basis of the historical studies and research one can see the way the "sacred prostituion" establihed itself and grew to become a part of the Indian society. "Vasant Rajas, "Devdasi: Shodha ani bodha", (marathi), Sugava Prakashan, Pune, 1997, mentions of an inscription of 1004 A.D., in Tanjor Temple mentioning the numbers of devdasis to be 400 in Tanjor, 450 in Brahideswara temple and 500 in Sorti Somnath temple."

 

[Shanti Brahm]

Maybe it's possible...

I personally have no problem against someone of any other caste becoming a priest in a Hindu temple provided:

a. They are brought up in a Veda pathashala and try to imbine as much knowledge of the rituals and traditions as possible

b. Study Sanskrit and become knowledgeable in it.

c. Be vegetarian from childhood

d. Do not indulge in alcohol or drugs or sex outside marriage

e. Refrain from violence or coarse language, and keep good company

f. Be pious and devoted to their temple, and lastly

g. Maintain personal hygiene and also take care of their surroundings


If Non-Brahmans want to part with their son and have him grow up in an Ashram so that the above are possible, then that would be fine.

Near my house there was a young Brahman priest who would occasionally mingle with porikis in the evening and the temple trustee saw him once doing that. He was soon stripped of his priesthood and another priest appointed. When I go to a temple, I want a good pious ambience which will lend itself to meditation, and the last thing I want to hear is

" Yo Naina, inga kundikinu prasadam vayula vechukka. Bejar pannama po, kasmalam somari, bemani mari paakkadhey machee"

This might be a good compromise. Also, the new priests must practice ritual purity in all ways, keep clean thoughts, associate with clean people, do 1008 gayatri everyday, sandhyavananam three times a day, agni hotra every day at same time without missing and all the tarpanams at all phases of the moon to ensure that the right vibrations are invoked in the temple.

They must not touch meat or touch those who eat meat. (Is that too much to ask?) Must wake up early in morning and take frequent cold baths. My grandfather was Temple Shastri and he lived a life I can't even imagine living. But if that's what they want...

 

[Shanti Brahm]

Prostitution in Temples

From wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devadasi

Devadasi देवदासी (in Sanskrit "servant of god") is a religious practice still found in some Hindu communities, especially in southern India, in which young girls are "married" to a deity or a temple. Then, upper-caste men can have sexual intercourse with them for a price. Devadasi should not be confused with rajadasis and other types of dancers. The institution of devadasi-like professions are also known by various other local terms.

From the website of university of florida

http://iml.jou.ufl.edu/projects/Spring02/Chattaraj/genesis.html

Devadasi system is a religious practice in parts of southern India, including Andhra Pradesh, whereby parents marry a daughter to a deity or a temple.The marriage usually occurs before the girl reaches puberty and requires the girl to become a prostitute for upper-caste community members. Such girls are known as jogini. They are forbidden to enter into a real marriage.

On the basis of the historical studies and research one can see the way the "sacred prostituion" establihed itself and grew to become a part of the Indian society. "Vasant Rajas, "Devdasi: Shodha ani bodha", (marathi), Sugava Prakashan, Pune, 1997, mentions of an inscription of 1004 A.D., in Tanjor Temple mentioning the numbers of devdasis to be 400 in Tanjor, 450 in Brahideswara temple and 500 in Sorti Somnath temple."

Yes, I know all about Devadasi but I don't think the historical research you give is accurate. For one, these girls are married to god. Even today, in Catholic Churches, Nuns are told that they are married to Jesus. That doesn't mean that Nuns are prostitutes.

Yet, even in the middle ages and rennaisance, writers like Chaucer and Diderot fantasised and told stories about sexual relations with Nuns.

Yet it isn't part of history that Nuns are prostitutes. Also, if the Yogini is married to God, why does one want to have an illicit affair with God's wife???

The term Yogini is often assocated with (but not only) a Hindu fertility cult, known as the Tantra cult. There were popular Tantra temples which are abandoned today which taught and practiced the art of spiritual love making. The women were Shakti and consort to Shiva, and these Yoginis also were available for ritual tantric sex practices. These abandoned temples often give the impression of being brothels to modern archeologists for they are full of fertility symbols, lingum, yoni, and pornographic images. The act of sex was made SACRED and the Yogini was considered GODDESS. It wasn't the degrading practice of prostitution that your University of Florida friens are alluding to in your article above.

But the kind of Devadasi you are talking about is mere fantasy, created by Bollywood and did not exist in India. I've talked to Temple Shastris on this. There was no sex allowed in Temple during and after independence. There were dancers and musicians in temples only.

There is also absolutely no record of suppresion or oppression of Buddhism in India. Threre is no massive anti Buddhist works in the archives of Indian writngs or oral traditions since the time of Buddha to present. I don't think there ever was a war against Buddhism. Just as there was never a war against Jainism or Tanticism. These movements they came, sometimes got absorbed, sometimes predominated, sometimes became cults, and sometimes just drifted away.

 

[goundamani]

You talk about how the system should have worked. But alas,it did not work that way.The system got twisted and corrupted.

I gave examples from reputed university websites.Its upto people whether they accept historical truth or not.

In tamil prostitutes are called as devaradiyar(devadasis).What else proof do you need?

People were not supposed to have sexual relations with devaradiyars.Saints like premananda and chaturvedi were not supposed to rape their devotees.catholic pastors were not supposed to molest children.But they did do that.

 

[NARAS]

Communal Kalaignaa!!

SIR - I am surprised to see the misplaced admiration which some members of this site have for illiterate, uneducated, ignorant and anti national 'rationalists'.according to an order of karunanidhi govt. any 'hindu' can become a priest even in brahmin temples! which means even drunkards, pimps and butchers can become priests. the only quaification is you have to be a 'hindu'! what will be the respect for temples and priests , if such persons are allowed to become priests? i always have the view that when governments want to change an existing arrangement, they have to ensure that the new arrangement is better than the existing. in this case is their any guarantee of that? what is the need to change existing arrangement which is working very well?
we all know about legened of parasurama. this brahmin sage is considered to be avataar of lord vishnu. during parasurama's days, non brahmins and anti brahmins, particularly kshatriyas, molested brahmin women, attacked and killed brahmins and abused even brahmin children so much that parasurama vowed to eliminate kshatriyas out of the world! this is how untouchability started. so it were not brahmins, but non brahmins who were responsible for starting untouchability. later, many non brahmin kings wanted to repent for the injustice meted out to innocent brahmins. so they donated land and jewels and many other forms of gifts to brahmins. non brahmin kings also constructed many brahmin temples and appointed brahmin priests and ordered to follow brahmin customs in these temples. non brahmins were also appointed to do sub ordinate works like toilet cleaning in brahmin works. non brahmins did all this voluntarily as a 'prayachitham' and out of sympathy and support for many innocent brahmins who were tortured and suffered at the hands of kshatriyas since days of parasurama.
THAT IS WHY, EVEN MANU A KSHATRYIYA, INTRODUCED HIS OWN DHARMA PROVIDING SPECIAL STATUES TO BRAHMINS AS A 'PRAYACHITHAM' FOR THE ATROCITIES HIS CASTE COMMITTED ON BRAHMINS! this is how it is said some non brahmin women voluntarily offered them for temples .
wikipedia says brahmin priests had sex with devadasi women.actually because non brahmins and anti brahmins were spreading these types of slander about brahmin religion, the brahmins decided not to allow non brahmins to read holy scriptures and vedas, because the non brahmins misunderstood the scriptures and were spreading falsehoods about it. just see the irony. persons belonging to castes who were not even allowed to read scriptures could well become priests if kalaignaa has his way!wikipedia also says 'isai vellalars' took into prostitution in a big way. it is a caste to which dmk chief minister of t.nadu karunanidhi belongs. will he agree with this view?? will wikipedia investigate how 'virgin' mary became mother of a child called jesus without sex or marriage??
in a secular democracy govts. should not have control of temples. temples were not built on govt.funds.it is govts.who thrive on temple money. temples are not maintained out of govt.funds. so why should govts. control them? after all govts. do not control mosques or churches.govts.controlling temples is like a hockey player controlling administration of basketball!!

the main difference between temples and places of worship of other religions is that, temples are built by devotees as a mark of respect to god. but mosques and churches are built not out of respect to god, but to propagate their own religions, and, abuse other religions. so you cannot compare temples with mosques and churches in even a single matter.

even courts have ruled that as per rule of law, there is no constitutional violation in brahmins having exclusive rights of priesthood in brahmin temples. after if, in all religions, persons of that religion alone are allowed to become priests, then what is wrong in brahmins insisting that they alone should be made priests in brahmin temples???

Apologists of caste quotas always list benefits availed by brahmins. but they never talk of repression faced by brahmins under muslim, christian and buddhist fascists. islam and christianity ruled india for many centuries before independence of india.how could brahmins have enjoyed special status under rulers of these religions? in fact it was only after islamic invasion that practices like sati,child marriage, devadasi ABUSE, widow abuse were introduced .why were islam and christianity not able to wipe out untouchability in india? why were islam and christianity not able to wipe out sati, child marriage, devadasi abuse, widow abuse in india? why did so many people not convert to islam and christianity even though they are religions not practising so called 'untouchability'? ispite of having so called magical powers to relieve all humans from sufferings, why is it that after centuriesof islamic and christian rule india continues to be the poorest country in the world? does this mean islam & christianity have failed- atleast in india??

 

[NARAS]

Devadasis And Kalaignaa!

SIR - i searched many sites like .www.samarthbharat.com and some others. the information i gathered is this about devadasis is

1. british invaded india and, introduced prostitution in a big way and opened many brothels. the british wrongly considered devadasis to be nautch girls and forced them into prostitution. since many temples were destroyed by islamic invaders, devadasis did not have any work and were subject to acute poverty. the british raped many devadasis who refused and threatened the devadasis to kill them if they spoke the truth against them. the british forced the devadasis to put the blame onbrahmin priests. fearing for life, the devadasis put the blame on brahmins, who were opposing british vigorously. the british exploited devadasis sexually and abandoned them in brothels which british were running in india. thus the british policy of divide (rape devadasis, put blame on brahmins, instigate lower castes against brahmins) and rule succeeded then and succeeds even now to the extent that some members of this site still blame brahmins for exploiting devadasis, that too by quoting lies from foreigners in florida!!!
Wikipedia says even the 'isai vellalars', the community of dmk chiefminister kalrunanidhi, are a devadasi community.
it were brahmins like raja ram mohan roy,ishwar chandra vidyasagar & dayanand saraswathi who openly advocated banning child marriage, sati, widow abuse & devadasi system. many other brahmins followed suit, many many years before the periar started vomitting his 'rational' abuses! interestingly, do you know how sati originated? when arabic muslims invade a territory, they will kill the king & then rape the women belonging to the family of the king. so to protect their chastity, the queens(most of them rajputs) used to commit suicide along the same pyre in which the king is cremated.
DO YOU KNOW HOW CHILD MARRIAGE STARTED IN INDIA? AGAIN IT IS SAID DURING ISLAMIC RULE! WHEN ISLAMIC FOREIGNERS INVADED INDIA, THEY USED TO TAKE GIRLS FROM VARIOUS PARTS TO THEIR PLACE AND MOLEST THEM. SO HINDUS MARRIED OFF THEIR GIRL CHILD AT AN EARLY AGE ITSELF, SO THAT SHE IS SENT TO HER INLAWS PLACE AND THE PARENTS ARE RELIEVED FROM THE PROBLEM OF PROTECTING HER. SINCE SHE BECAME PROPERTY OF SOMEBODY ELSE, THIS SENTIMENT WOULD BE INVOKED BY HINDUS TO PLEAD WITH THE ISLAMIC BARBARIANS TO LEAVE THE GIRL.
AS FAR WIDOW REMARRIAGE, I THINK ONLY PERSONS WHO HAVE REMARRIED WIDOWS WHO HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK ON THIS. PSEUDO RATIONALISTS DO NOT HAVE ANY LOCUS STANDI ON THE MATTER AT ALL. THOSE WHO HAVE GIVEN A NEW LIFE TO WIDOWS BY REMARRYING THEM SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS IN PUBLIC. THEN THIS IDEA WOULD GAIN RESPECTABIITY. IF EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THIS, THE IDEA BECOMES A COMEDY!!!

AGAIN,BRAHMIN REFORMERS WERE THE FIRST TO TALK ABOUT ALL THESE AND WERE FOREMOST IN IMPLEMENTING THESE IDEALS WITHOUT ABUSING ANYBODY AND WITHOUT FUNCTIONING AS AGENTS OF THE BRITISH, LIKE THE PERIAR!!

 

[NARAS]

Judge Lambasts Govt. Of Kalaignaa!!

SIR - A judge of chennai high court has lambasted and passed severe strictures on karunanidhi govt. by ordering repoll in almost 99 booths of chennai corpn. the stricture directly and indirectly indicts kalaignaa, his cabinet, officials andpolice of t.nadu for the dmk govt. sponsored vandalism during chennai corpn elections recently. but unfortunately this is only a dissenting judgement. since an other judgeof the same bench has not agreed with this view, the verdict will not be implemented. it will proabably go to another judge or another bench.

 

[NARAS]

satyaraasa and kalaignaa!!

sir - the cat is out of bag! it is now clear how'uppuma' actor satyaraasa survives in tamil film industry inspite of being on wrong side of 50s! it is said the satyaraasa charges only 25 lakhs for a film whereas many top heroes charge from 1 crore to almost 10 crores! so 'uppma' film companies book satyaraasa and end up without any loss since the film being a small budget, due to low remuneration for the hero, does not cost much!

the karunanidhi govt. has arrested even a person who threatened to commit suicide against the periar statue under national security act, whereas vandals who damaged brahmin places of worship have been let scot free!!!

 

[NARAS]

History And Kalaignaa!!

[SIR - History is based on proofs,evidences, truths and facts.but the aryan invasion theory is an inference of many historians. how can inferences be given legal and official status by publishing them in text books prescribed by govts.? central govts. and many state govts.including dmk govt.of karunanidhi have reportedly done this. if any inference, imagination of any person can be published officially, then school books will become propaganda tools of anti national forces!!

 

[NARAS]

Satyarajan Cuts A Sorry Figure In Front Of 'gas Stove' Kalaignaa!!!

[SIR - dmk chiefminister kalaignaa spends more time attending private functions these days, releasing books and cassettes. he released audio cassette of film on the periar a few days back. in the function 'rational' actor satyarajan ridiculed that 'those who damaged periar statue are atheists because instead of praying to god for removal of statue, they have damaged the statue on their own'. just like lord rama attacked vali, lord krishna destroyed kamsa, lord muruga eliminated soorapadma, some hindus have attacked the periar statue. indulging violence is not altogether banned in hinduism or even brahminism. it is the context which is important. but of course, those who damaged the periar statue have violated law of land, and so they have to be arrested and tried as per rule of law.

the satyarajan boasts that he is a follower of the periar. it is on record that the periar said there is no need for chastity for women. will the satyarajan ask his wife and daughter to follow the periar in this matter? i think even the karunanidhi will not follow the periar in this matter! he cannot obviously!

sun news tv showed today scenes of gas stoves kept for delivering to people by t.nadu govt. 'free' of cost. but all the gas stoves have photos of the karunanidhi pasted on it! is it fair enough on the part of a chiefminister to publicise his own face out of tax payers money???

 

[NARAS]

What Is Untouchability??

[SIR - There is one drawback in indian constitution according to me.the constitution says untouchability is banned, but it does not describe what is untouchability! as far as i am concerned ,if persons worshipping same god discriminate against each other, that is untouchability.just like blacks were discriminated by whites even though both are worshipping same god.. just like various muslim sects murder each other in many parts of world, even though they are all followers of same god. of course, this does not mean followers of different gods can attack each other.that is also not good. but it does not come under untouchability.

 

[maruti]

Saints like premananda and chaturvedi were not supposed to rape their devotees.catholic pastors were not supposed to molest children.But they did do that.

Goes on to show how ill-informed most Hindus are. This site gives clear proof that Premananda is innocent, that the trial was a farce and that witnesses were thrashed by police in front of hundreds of people, and DNA tests prove Premananda's innocence. The whole thing was a setup and of course, Hindus being incapable of thinking the matter through, believed every word. Hindus are so sadistic they love to see famous people go down, which is why despite evidence to the contrary, they believe Sankaracharya, Premananda and the rest are guilty. Maybe, hindus should hire or buy a brain somewhere.:horn:

http://www.justice-for-premananda.org/en/

 

[maruti]

All atrocities done in the world are done in name of god.Usama quotes quaran to kill kaffirs and christians quoted bible to burn witches and upper caste hindus quote geetha to enslave dalits.

Another foolish comment made by a Hindu brainwashed by leftists. Only Hindu Scriptures have the status of apoureshyatva. Other religions don't. Hence, there is no comparison between a HIndu quoting BG and a muslim quoting koran. And if you're so convinced that they have no value, then please convert to Islam, you will fit in there.:thumb:

Besides, why are you part of a Brahmin forum, when you believe Gita has no value? It is so contradictory, isn't it? On the one hand, you claim to be brahmin, and then again, you don't follow the path of brahmajijnasa which the gita stresses, particularly for Brahmins.:flame: So decide one thing once and for all. If you claim to be hindu, follow Hinduism. If not, leave Hinduism. You cannot have it both ways.

 

[goundamani]

Dear Mr.Maruthi,

I believe in geetha and love lord krishna.But that doesnt mean I should accept the verses which propogate jathi and varna,irrespective of who said those.

Age of outcasting people from hinduism,because they dont follow certain rules is over.So I dont believe I should leave hinduism.:rockon:

I believe that bhramins should not take the tired old beaten down track of the past,which is propogated by some members in the forum.In this age and time following and propogating age old practices,which lead to the downfall of bhramins,need not be practiced.I say,what I say only to help bhramins.I would like to point out that the way ahead is the future and not the past.

 

[Shanti Brahm]

FREEDOM and EQUAL OPPORTUNITY

Dear goundamani

You have every right to call yourself a Hindu. You have every right to have your beliefs and you have every right to express them.

You also have every right to be on this forum. My argument is not with you.

My arguement is with

1. your views only and your interpretation of Hindu Dharma and what you believe to be Brahmin teachings.

2. the fact that Brahmins do not have equal rights and are an oppressed minority (and according to our history, have always been an oppressed minority under Buddhists, Islam, and Christianity)

3. that practicing Brahmins have learned a different form of Brahminism from the Brahminism as described by Manu Smritri, University Professors, Leftists, School Books, and Politicians. The IMAGE DOES NOT CORRESPOND WITH THE REALITY AS PRACTICED OR TAUGHT IN BRAHMINISM.

4. History is not based on hard evidence, but on conjecture. It's interpretation is based on the pre-concieved notions of the interpreter and the language that he uses. Some politicians and evangelical Christians have used this to their advantage.

5. all people must have FREEDOM under th law of the land, to live as they please and express themselves as they please as long as it does not trample on the freedoms of others. This liberty must be extendend to the Brahmin community in this country as well. Brahmins, as of yet, are not a protected people, and their traditional way of life is under constant threat. FREEDOM is all we ask.


So all I say is two things, FREEDOM and OPPORTUNITY. That is what the Brahmins want and that is what the Brahmins have been denied.

 

[goundamani]

Madam,

As people say "rice is bad, but the proof is in the pudding".

We can argue for our age old rituals, their greatness,how what is taught differs from what is perceived by others and so on.But what is the reality?One third of hindus live like slaves because of varnashrama.Even among bhramins, the poor rot in temples with meagre salaries and no food.For centuries bhramin girl children aged 5,6 and 7 lived as widows for their entire lives due to child marriage.saradha act came and saved bhramin girls from these atrocities.In many sense bhramins themselves became the worst victims of varnashrama.

I dont deny that bhramins were oppressed by mogul kings and nawabs,but so were the rest of hindus.In my opinion,had bhramins learnt the art of warfare and learnt to fight they wouldnt have suffered by nawabs.In this sense,I would blame their rituals more than their enemies.

Mohammad gouri Invaded india and he was defeated by prithviraj chauhan.But according to hindu texts prthviraj chauhan pardoned him and released him.What was the end result?

varnashrama made only the ksathriya jathi to become warriors and prevented others from lifting weapons.As a result the moment the kstarghriya rajput kings became friends of moguls, the entire opposition to moguls vanished in north india.Guru arjunsingh had to create a new religion(sikhism) and daliths like shivaji had to become warriors to oppose aurangazeb.

Even now many bhramins rot and die in temples working as archakas, chanting manthras and following whatever is said in the books.What is their reward?They await their reward in paradise.

Get out of temples.Go and work in the outside world.Compete with other races.Help others and get helped by others.Mingle with the mainsteam society.Throw away the frog in a well mindset.

That's my message.

Conservatives among bhramins take the entire race to doom.They are the worst enemies of bhramins.If bhramins listen to them,the entire race will become extinct within a few years.

 

[goundamani]

Goes on to show how ill-informed most Hindus are. This site gives clear proof that Premananda is innocent, that the trial was a farce and that witnesses were thrashed by police in front of hundreds of people, and DNA tests prove Premananda's innocence. The whole thing was a setup and of course, Hindus being incapable of thinking the matter through, believed every word. Hindus are so sadistic they love to see famous people go down, which is why despite evidence to the contrary, they believe Sankaracharya, Premananda and the rest are guilty. Maybe, hindus should hire or buy a brain somewhere.:horn:

http://www.justice-for-premananda.org/en/

The above said website is too hilarious.. Reminded me of 9/11 conspiracy theory websites.

 

[NARAS]

Kalaignaa Lags Behind!! N.suresh Conferred Doctorate By Kalaignaa!!

[SIR - Vijay tv and jaya tv are surging forward with new, interesting programes , though based on films. karunanidhi's sun tv is lagging behind depending on discredited 'kolangal' and stale, boring stuffs of m.r. radhika.

Black poet vairamuthu,who spends more time with the kalaignaa than his own wife , has been conferred doctorate in t.nadu here! he may be a succesful lyricist, even a popular person. but is this the yardstick to confer doctorate? what about quality? it seems even if i pen hosannas on the karunanidhi family, i will also be conferred a doctorate!! dont be surprised to read ' actress radhika conferred doctorate by t.nad govt.' this could become news soon!!!

 

[NARAS]

Brahmins Save Kalagnaa!!

SIR - Wikipedia says girls of 'isai vellallars' family, to which dmk chiefminister karunanidhi belongs, became devadasis,when they were barely 3 yrs.old. imagine the fate of women of kalaignaa family if this system had continued today also! kanimozhis , durgas and kaveris of the karunanidhi family are permanently indebted to brahmin reformers raja ram mohan roy, ISHWAR CHANDRA VIDYA SAGAR & dayanand saraswathi for striving for abolition of these sort of practices!!!

 

[NARAS]

The Notorious Ninth Schedule!!!

[SIR- A draconian provision called 9th schedule was introduced by the nefarious nehru in 1950s, this provision allowed politicians like the kalaignaa to include even anti constitutional clauses in the constitution. if the clause is included in the 9th schedule, then even courts cannot question it! surprisingly instead of totally quashing this fascist provision, even now, after so many years,the courts have ruled that they will not totally ban this provision, but only review each and every law separately and find out whether there is anything anti constitutional in it! although this is an improvement on the present position, it is not a total victory for democratic forces, because this law still allows persons like kalaignaa to perform his antics ! but of course, instead of totally sleeping and allowing politicians to go scot free this verdict atleast puts a barrier. but it depends on how supreme court view various draconian laws which have been included in 9th schedule. my humble view is that all laws under 9th schedule should be scrapped.let us wait and hope for the best. the 9th schedule represents the ugly face of nehru. it has spread its tentacles and crushed democracy and put democracy in a coma stage for so many years. not courts have given oxygen and enabled democracy to come out of coma! but whether democracy will flourish and come back to normal , only time can answer!!! It would have been better if the 9th schedule itself had been scrapped totally.
the courts are not opposed to caste quotas, BUT only to percentage OF QUOTAS. it is like saying "i am opposed to murdering a person, but if you want you can chop of parts of the body of the person without killing him!!"

THE RULING OF COURT IS LIKE THIS -'YOU CAN COMMIT MURDERS! BUT THE COURT WILL LOOK INTO EACH AND EVERY MURDER AND REVIEW IT! IF THE MURDER IS ESSENTIAL FOR PUBLIC WELFARE COURTS WILL ALLOW IT. OR ELSE WE WILL QUASH OR PUT RESTRICTIONS ON YOU'!!

BUT INSTEAD OF BLAMING THE COURTS I THINK WE MUST ASK THE PERSONS WHO FAUGHT THE CASE IN THE COURTS AS TO WHAT SORT OF ARGUMENT THEY PLACED BEFORE HONOURABLE JUDGES. AFTER ALL IT IS ONLY BASED ON THE PROOF, EVIDENCES AND ARGUMENTS, THE JUDGES DELIVER JUDGEMENTS. I HAVE RESPECT FOR JUDGES AND JUDICIARY. BUT STILL I THINK THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE ALLOWED PROVISIONS LIKE 9TH SCHEDULE TO CONTINUE IN A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY LIKE INDIA.

 

[NARAS]

The Periar Vs Premananda!!!

SIR - Tamil belongs to tamils. telugu to telugus. but others can also learn them. similarly brahmin temples, scriptures belong to brahmins only. others can learn them. but only brahmins should control their own places of worship.
can nontamils have authority on tamil, on the pretext that many nontamil words have been included in tamil? will the script or grammar of tamil be allowed to be changed or tampered in any way? then why tamper with brahmin customs in brahmin temples??
if any person wants, he or she can build a new temple with his or her own customs, rituals being followed there- like Bangaru Adigalar has did in melmaruthoor. why tamper with existing rituals in existing temples which are time tested & well established since time immemorial???
it were brahmin reformers like raja rammoha roy, dayanand sarwaswathi & ihswar chandra vidyasagar who were instrumental in abolishing sati, child marriage, devadasi abuse,widow abuse etc., saving the lives and chastity of crores of non brahmin women.

Had premananda been a muslim like madhani, there would have been an assembly resolution asking for his release! the kalaignaa govt. would have given VIP treatment to him. out of tax payers money!!!

 

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Dinamalar Eulogises Kanimozhi Kalaignaa!!

SIR - It is very difficult to believe! dinamalar, a very balanced and decent newspaper, has eulogised kanimozhi kalaignaa today, saying that she is a good 'speaker' having excellent command over 'pure' tamil! it is sad to see a national newspaper descend to the level of yellow journalists like nakeeran gopal and frontline nara. ram!!!

 

[NARAS]

afzal vs ninth schedule!!!

[sir - the first good news for 2007 is out! the courts have confirmed death penalty for cannibal afzal. but the bad and sad news is courts have not quashed the draconian ninth schedule which is many many times more dangerous than afzal! this 9th schedule enables politicians to include even anti contitutional provisions and take them out of purview of courts. does that mean that if murders and rapes are included in 9th schedule they cannot be questioned in courts? moreover supreme court has ruled that all laws included in9th schdule after 1973 will be reviewed by it! this automatically means that all draconian laws including caste quotas will continue to be unchallenged just because they were included before 1973!!these pre 1973 draconianlaws will continue to hang over the heads of indians like damocles swords, with the full connivance of the judiciary!!

 

[NARAS]

Kalaignaa! Please Save Lord Rama Bridge!

[SIR - Brahminism and jainism are the only 2 pure religions in world, because they are vegetarian religions. all other religions are impure religions thiriving on cannibalism. brahminism is the oldest religion in the world.sanskrit is the oldest language in the world.( telugu comes after sanskrit) brahminism and sanskrit are so old that nobody has been able to find out when they originated. it must have been lakhs and lakhs years before.( for example NASA of america have found out the Lord Rama bridge under Rameswaram river , which is estimated to have been built 17 lakhs years ago! T.R. Balu, shipping minister in charge of sethusamudhiram (or daridhiram?) project,is said to be trying to destroy the Lord Rama Bridge, on the reported instigation of the Kalaignaa. A case has been filed in court to prevent the demolition and notice has been sent to T.R.Baalu. hearing is going on. let us pray to Lord Rama for a favourable verdict in favour of the bridge).in brahminism you have
1 god- though he has many forms.
2 epics- ramayana, mahabharatha
3 moorthys- brahma, vishnu & shiva
4 vedas - rig, yajur, sama, adharvana vedas
5 pandavas - yudhishtir, beema, arjun, nakula, sahadeva
6 murugas-
7 rishis
8 lakshmis
9 grahas
10 avataars

Unlike the paramacharya who represented the real face of brahminism, Mother Theresa, mother of all evangelists in world, commercialised philanthrophy. she mixed social service with religion. she vehemently opposed anti conversion bill of indian govt. in 1979. why did this mother not go to south africa to fight against apartheid? after all, the victims of apartheid were black christians, who belonged to her own religion! Mother Theresa was running a conversion industry in india!

Please visit www.nobeliefs.com/spp.htm where allegations of obscenity, violence and pornography are levelled on bible by some christians themselves. i do not know how far these are true. will the kaliaignaa, no.1 admirer of bible answer??

also visit and read fully www.truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm, & www.americanvision.org/articlearchive/06-06-05.asp?vPrint=1, and please buy and read fully Dr, arun shourie's THE WORLD OF FATWAS to know the real face of islam, the most favourite religion of kalaignaa!!!