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I find his book an interesting and addictive read. Can fellow members share what they think about him? I think most of his words holds relevance even today wrt to democracy and parliament. He was against Marxism but not a Capitalist either. He was against Jews but not a staunch Christian either. He called Democrats a bunch of fools who knew well about propaganda, but he himself used propaganda clearly. Cannot figure out what he really thought of brown and lesser colored people. He had foresight and wanted to capture the oil rich Caspian. Overall i think he s a great leader minus his killing credentials..

Please share if you too like him..And of course we are related as well to him ( Through Aryan theory )

 

[sravna]

I do not know much about Hitler. But I think the man had very strong convictions. Very few people have such strong convictions. I like that about him.

 

[renuka]

I do not know much about Hitler. But I think the man had very strong convictions. Very few people have such strong convictions. I like that about him.

Dear Sravna,

Strong convictions are fine provided no harm is inflicted on another.

When one thinks of Hitler..one can't help thinking that the Karma theory must be some cock and bull cos it does make any sense why should 5- 6 million Jews have to die in his hands?

How could so many people have the same Karma to die in the hand of Hitler?

So going by that I sometimes find it hard to believe Karma theory..on a lesser scale we can also ask in the TN scenario "<posts about EVR are banned. - Praveen>

Karma does not make sense right?? Does it or Does it Not?

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

So many people die at the same time. So many people suffer at the same time. Many people suffer because of the same cause and die because of the same cause. Does it mean they have the same karma? The answer to your question is the above reasons do not take the sense out of the karma theory.

 

[renuka]

I have noted that overall most Indians in India use the word Hitler in the wrong sense.

In India very often the word Hitler is used to denote a strict person or a disciplinarian ....hence we see names of TV serials like Hitler Didi and we also hear many Indians saying 'Oh his wife runs the house like Hitler"

I really do hope people start to think logically that Hitler does NOT mean a Strict No Nonsense type of person or Disciplinarian..Mass Murderer is the appropriate description.

 

[sravna]

Mass Murderer is the appropriate description.

Dear Renuka,

What would you call the U.S. president who used atomic bombs that killed lakhs of people?

 

[Brahmanyan]

Adolf Hitler(1889-1945)

Adolf Hitler was a dictator to the core. Just as other dictators he appeared in Germany at the time of Political vacuum in that nation, created by inefficient leadership which was unable to face the economic disaster of the defeated Germany after the World War I .
Hitler started as a patriot who was genuinely interested in the welfare of German Nation. He was democratically elected to Power in 1933. Within a short time by his untiring efforts Hitler was able to rebuild the father-land from scratch to super power. Hitler oversaw one of the largest infrastructure improvement campaigns in German history, leading to the construction of dams, autobahns, railroads, and other civil works. It was said Hitler adopted to Vegetarianism from 1938, but what came out of his mouth was venomous fire of hatred, which resulted in the extermination of six million Jews during the World War II called "The Holocaust, a programme of systematic state-sponsored murder by Nazi Germany, led by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party, throughout the German Reich and German-occupied territories" . The life history of this multifaceted man is a lesson for humanity as to how unbridled power could migrate from heart to head to change a man to monster.

The World at War:

"The World at War" is a 26-episode television documentary series on World War II and the events leading up to and immediately following it produced by Thames Television for BBC. Sir Laurence Olivier has given the commentary for this series. It is an anthology of visual documentaries collected from the archives of all the Nations that had participated in the World War II. I have seen this wonderful series and I would consider this as a must to watch for people interested in the true History of World War II. For any one who has the interest and patience can see this wonderful documentary which is available in the following weblink.

The World at War (1973) | CosmoLearning History

A book, The World at War, was written by Mark Arnold-Forster as a companion volume to this series.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[sravna]

Hitler typified the philosophy that might is right. The present day mighty nations are no different with the only difference that in the present day they cannot show their might at their whims and fancies as in 1930's and 40's. In fact even today we see the U.S itching to discipline and correct the world at every possible opportunity with its might.

 

[sarang]

There is one explanation. Everybody has both good and bad karma baggage. Suffering gets rid of bad karma, thus reducing its percentage in the total karma. Acquiring good karma no doubt improves your 'bhoga' life here or in swarga, but prolongs your life with more births and delays liberation. I am not sure whether good karma destroys bad karma. Good karma only increases your chance of enjoying a good life.

The rise and fall of the third reich by william l schirer is a very good and voluminous book on hitler, the 2nd world war and the political environment of that period; a rivetting book.

Today google has apologised for wrongly showing the name of a street in berlin as adolf hitler plaza.

Dear Sravna,

Strong convictions are fine provided no harm is inflicted on another.

When one thinks of Hitler..one can't help thinking that the Karma theory must be some cock and bull cos it does make any sense why should 5- 6 million Jews have to die in his hands?

How could so many people have the same Karma to die in the hand of Hitler?

So going by that I sometimes find it hard to believe Karma theory..on a lesser scale we can also ask in the TN scenario

Karma does not make sense right?? Does it or Does it Not?

 

[sangom]

Dear Sravna,

Strong convictions are fine provided no harm is inflicted on another.

When one thinks of Hitler..one can't help thinking that the Karma theory must be some cock and bull cos it does make any sense why should 5- 6 million Jews have to die in his hands?

How could so many people have the same Karma to die in the hand of Hitler?

So going by that I sometimes find it hard to believe Karma theory..on a lesser scale we can also ask in the TN scenario

Karma does not make sense right?? Does it or Does it Not?

Smt. Renuka,

Karma works in ways which are as yet unclear. Consider natural catastrophes in which millions of humans plus many other animals etc., used to die in the historical past - like the China floods of 1931 (4 million deaths), the Bhola cyclone of E. Pakistan 1970 (1m.), the Quetta earthquake of 1935 (60,000) and so on. It is , according to me the Karma of the preponderant majority of the victims which culminates in such disasters. Hitler, Hiroshima - Nagasaki, were man-made and that is the only difference. The destruction of Sodom & Gomorrha, the myth about Kalki avatar, the huge casualty of the Mahabharata war, etc., are, probably, indication that even our ancients were not unaware of such disasters happening both naturally, and also man-made.

It is quite possible that a very small number of such immense casualties might have happened because of mere circumstances. But as long as we are unable to know exactly how Karma works, it may not be possible to say that such immense disasters cannot be due to Karma. I still believe Karma does make perfect sense even in these cases.

 

[sangom]

Adolf Hitler(1889-1945)

Adolf Hitler was a dictator to the core. Just as other dictators he appeared in Germany at the time of Political vacuum in that nation, created by inefficient leadership which was unable to face the economic disaster of the defeated Germany after the World War I .
Hitler started as a patriot who was genuinely interested in the welfare of German Nation. He was democratically elected to Power in 1933. Within a short time by his untiring efforts Hitler was able to rebuild the father-land from scratch to super power. Hitler oversaw one of the largest infrastructure improvement campaigns in German history, leading to the construction of dams, autobahns, railroads, and other civil works. It was said Hitler adopted to Vegetarianism from 1938, but what came out of his mouth was venomous fire of hatred, which resulted in the extermination of six million Jews during the World War II called "The Holocaust, a programme of systematic state-sponsored murder by Nazi Germany, led by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party, throughout the German Reich and German-occupied territories" . The life history of this multifaceted man is a lesson for humanity as to how unbridled power could migrate from heart to head to change a man to monster.

The World at War:

"The World at War" is a 26-episode television documentary series on World War II and the events leading up to and immediately following it produced by Thames Television for BBC. Sir Laurence Olivier has given the commentary for this series. It is an anthology of visual documentaries collected from the archives of all the Nations that had participated in the World War II. I have seen this wonderful series and I would consider this as a must to watch for people interested in the true History of World War II. For any one who has the interest and patience can see this wonderful documentary which is available in the following weblink.

The World at War (1973) | CosmoLearning History

A book, The World at War, was written by Mark Arnold-Forster as a companion volume to this series.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

I believe that the Jews in Germany after WW I were a generally detested lot and Hitler personally had several grievances against the Jews. (<posts about EVR are banned. - Praveen>) When Hitler got the power to rule Germany, he galavanized an entire nation of non-Jewish germans into wreaking vengeance on that particular group. And hitler's words found more than sufficient resonance from those people. Nazi came into being and the rest is, now, history.

I will not say Hitler was a Dictator because there is evidence that he could do whatever he did, because the German population (other than the Jews) hated the Jews with equal vehemence as did Hitler. Hence, it is wrong to simply "parrot" what the western victors of WW II want us to believe - that Hitler the dictator was to blame completely and the Germans are a very innocent, lovable people.

It may interest you to know that Adolf Hiedler - a surname applied to those who resided near a Hiedl (“subterranean river”) [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Hitler] was one quarter Jew. Had the Jews given him consideration as a Jew when he wanted it, perhaps Adolf Hitler would have been a famous painter or literateur. The Jews made the same mistake as tabras did and created Bigriver & the Kazhagam.

Post- Holocaust, the Jews of Israel have proved, in more than ample measure, that Hitler and the Holocaust were well-deserved by the Jews. This is my view.

 

[sravna]

The Jews made the same mistake as tabras did and created Bigriver & the Kazhagam.

Dear Shri Sangom,

You are right in comparing Hitler to Bigriver for the reason both targeted a particular group. But there is a vital difference too. In the case of Germany, Hitler was convinced of the superiority of the Aryan race. Maybe the Germans had real reasons to hate the Jews but definitely not because they thought they were superior unlike in the case of Bigriver, where he was fighting the perceived superiority of the brahmins.

 

[sarang]

At least one disgruntled brahmin will find a welcome haven in persia, personally welcomed and embraced by ayatolla!

 

[sravna]

At least one disgruntled brahmin will find a welcome haven in persia, personally welcomed and embraced by ayatolla!

Dear Shri Sarang,

No true brahmin will have a reason to be disgruntled. Definitely not in their nature.

why personally welcomed by ayatollah ? Is it because of the aryan connection?

 

[sarang]

Ayatolla and iranian president claimed that there was no holocaust. The jews killed themselves as the karsevaks set the coaches on fire in godra (lallu and justice banerjee report).

Instead of disgruntled perhaps 'out but in' - in rajnikanth style.

Dear Shri Sarang,

No true brahmin will have a reason to be disgruntled. Definitely not in their nature.

why personally welcomed by ayatollah ? Is it because of the aryan connection?

 

[sangom]

Dear Shri Sangom,

You are right in comparing Hitler to Bigriver for the reason both targeted a particular group. But there is a vital difference too. In the case of Germany, Hitler was convinced of the superiority of the Aryan race. Maybe the Germans had real reasons to hate the Jews but definitely not because they thought they were superior unlike in the case of Bigriver, where he was fighting the perceived superiority of the brahmins.

Shri Sravna,

That is a difference of minute details. In both the cases there was a ready "enemy" against whom most of the population had no love lost and the reasons for such a state of affairs having come into existence were also very different. The need was of a 'personality' who could understand, identify and unify the people against this 'perceived enemy'. That was what happened in both the cases.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Sangom,

Post- Holocaust, the Jews of Israel have proved, in more than ample measure, that Hitler and the Holocaust were well-deserved by the Jews. This is my view.

These words of you are an enigma wrapped in mystery for me. Can you please elaborate? Thanks.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Dear Sangom,



These words of you are an enigma wrapped in mystery for me. Can you please elaborate? Thanks.

It is, I think, a reference to Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Hitler's actions are rooted on leftist ideas - I.e. every human being must be equal in every which way possible. Therefore Jews, who were clearly different from the rest, according to Hitler, must be eliminated and hence the holocaust.

 

[sangom]

Dear Sangom,



These words of you are an enigma wrapped in mystery for me. Can you please elaborate? Thanks.

The Jews have demonstrated that given a small parcel of land for themselves, they won't mind killing the people all around them and enlarge their state, dictate terms to the international strong-man USA through their (i.e., the Jews' control over almost all aspects of US economy) and will not care even for the original UN demarcation of Israel's borders.

Hitler perhaps knew the Jewish mind inside out and felt that they should all be annihilated. But he did not quite succeed.

 

[Nara]

Since the time of Constantine jews have been persecuted, they carried the blood libel -- and still do in the minds of many Christians -- they were corralled into ghettos, strict curfew was enforced, they were permitted to engage in only approved vocations, and the list goes on.

When you take all this into account one will see that it is the dalits who are like jews, except, the dalits were persecuted much more severely over the years. Jewish ghetto was inside the city, dalit cheri was outside the village. Jews could get rich within the approved vocation, dalits were given the most menial and hard jobs and were not permitted to own property or accumulate wealth in any way. Jews were not prevented from educating themselves and they did and were at the vanguard of intellectual renaissance during the period of enlightenment. Dalits were not permitted to even get literate.

The european persecution of jews was, horrendous though it was, nothing compared to what dalits had to endure. It is the Brahmins and their upper caste NB cohorts who were more like the european forerunners to the Nazis who tormented jews. To draw parallel between Hitler and EVR is not only ignorant, it is unconscionable, and an affront to the millions of jews who were murdered, the survivors and their families. EVR helped liberate dalits, Hitler killed jew. Dalits suffered at the hands of Brahmins and other upper caste NBs, jews suffered at the hands of nazis and Hitler.

 

[Vaagmi]

The Jews have demonstrated that given a small parcel of land for themselves, they won't mind killing the people all around them and enlarge their state, dictate terms to the international strong-man USA through their (i.e., the Jews' control over almost all aspects of US economy) and will not care even for the original UN demarcation of Israel's borders.

Hitler perhaps knew the Jewish mind inside out and felt that they should all be annihilated. But he did not quite succeed.

Dear Sangom,

You are very unfair to Jews. The history of jews is one of subjugation and brutalization always. The ghettos of many European nations were exclusively reserved for jews. They were issued passes and ID cards and were allowed to come out of these ghettos to do their business with the christian citizens in a given window of time and were expected to get back before su n-down to their ghettos. The hatred for jews in the minds of Europeans was mainly because they practiced a religion which was different from Christianity and was superior to Christianity. This was the reason for the hatred which was pathological. Those jews who were exterminated by Nazi hoardes were also Germans race wise and yet were killed because of the hatred based on religion. No one historian from the west will admit this because they are all christians.

So it was a community which had been confined to ghettos, hated for whatever they did efficiently, discriminated on the basis of religion, had been subordinated to the majority religionists always. It was a historical opportunity they got to get a land of their own thanks to Ben Gurien and the same Europeans who wanted to get them off their neck. So Israel was formed. But the misfortune of jews were not to stop with that. They were never allowed to settle down and live peacefully in the Israel. Right from the day of its founding the nation suffered hostility from every nation surrounding it. People who face such hostility cannot remain a peace-loving community because they are not the hindu brahmins of India. So they are fighting their enemies. After proving that they are a match to every power in the world it is a kind of uncomfortable stand off in Middle east now. The neighbours are keeping quiet and Israel is allowed to breath. The borders got adjusted because of tactical reasons in wars. They remain that after the wars.

There is no rational reason for Hitler's hatred for jews. He united his people, the germans, by liberally distributing the hatred opiate (அபினி வினியோகம்). Great leaders like Mahatma Gandhi or Mao Zedong never resorted to such devilish methods to unite a people. Hitler did that and to a lesser extent our bigriver (3rd std dropout, spoilt delinquent scion of a rich business family) and also Bal Takre. No one can annihilate a community however hard they try. The jews of Poland, the jews of Russia and those from Czechoslovakia proved this.

Jewish mind is no different from an ordinary German's mind just as the TB's mind is no different from that of an ordinary Tamil Christian.

 

[Vaagmi]

1. To draw parallel between Hitler and EVR is not only ignorant, it is unconscionable, and an affront to the millions of jews who were murdered, the survivors and their families.

Please read my post. Bigriver was an exact replica of Hitler in identifying the hatred opiate as a very effective tool to polittically organize people. Both of them used it to the hilt without bothering about the horrendous consequences.

2.EVR helped liberate dalits

This is the biggest lie repeated by bigriver bhaktas. Bigriver did nothing of that sort.

Hitler killed jew. Dalits suffered at the hands of Brahmins and other upper caste NBs, jews suffered at the hands of nazis and Hitler.

False equivalency. Brahmins a mere 2% of the population were never influencing the course of Indian ancient politics. If anything they were helpless spectators who enjoyed some of the benefits that accrued to the higher castes like நெல்லுக்கிறைத்த நீர் வாய்க்கால் வழியோடிப் புல்லுக்குமாங்கே பொசிந்ததுபோல். The grass never actively tried to get that water. It is simple logic.

 

[sangom]

Dear Sangom,

You are very unfair to Jews. The history of jews is one of subjugation and brutalization always. The ghettos of many European nations were exclusively reserved for jews. They were issued passes and ID cards and were allowed to come out of these ghettos to do their business with the christian citizens in a given window of time and were expected to get back before su n-down to their ghettos. The hatred for jews in the minds of Europeans was mainly because they practiced a religion which was different from Christianity and was superior to Christianity. This was the reason for the hatred which was pathological. Those jews who were exterminated by Nazi hoardes were also Germans race wise and yet were killed because of the hatred based on religion. No one historian from the west will admit this because they are all christians.

So it was a community which had been confined to ghettos, hated for whatever they did efficiently, discriminated on the basis of religion, had been subordinated to the majority religionists always. It was a historical opportunity they got to get a land of their own thanks to Ben Gurien and the same Europeans who wanted to get them off their neck. So Israel was formed. But the misfortune of jews were not to stop with that. They were never allowed to settle down and live peacefully in the Israel. Right from the day of its founding the nation suffered hostility from every nation surrounding it. People who face such hostility cannot remain a peace-loving community because they are not the hindu brahmins of India. So they are fighting their enemies. After proving that they are a match to every power in the world it is a kind of uncomfortable stand off in Middle east now. The neighbours are keeping quiet and Israel is allowed to breath. The borders got adjusted because of tactical reasons in wars. They remain that after the wars.

There is no rational reason for Hitler's hatred for jews. He united his people, the germans, by liberally distributing the hatred opiate (அபினி வினியோகம்). Great leaders like Mahatma Gandhi or Mao Zedong never resorted to such devilish methods to unite a people. Hitler did that and to a lesser extent our bigriver (3rd std dropout, spoilt delinquent scion of a rich business family) and also Bal Takre. No one can annihilate a community however hard they try. The jews of Poland, the jews of Russia and those from Czechoslovakia proved this.

Jewish mind is no different from an ordinary German's mind just as the TB's mind is no different from that of an ordinary Tamil Christian.

It may be a fact that the Jews had been subjugated almost throughout history. But just as we humans even now don't hesitate to kill a scorpion when we see one, perhaps those old people, right from Constantine's days knew the true nature of jews and what they were likely to do, if given freedom. Today, however, Jews have justified what history has done to them; not only that, may be another holocaust is just waiting for them at the next turn of the historical road, who knows? Anyway, I have no sympathy for jews or israel.

 

[Nara]

.... Today, however, Jews have justified what history has done to them; not only that, may be another holocaust is just waiting for them at the next turn of the historical road, who knows? Anyway, I have no sympathy for jews or israel.

This is an unfortunate over generalization. The Israeli state is a criminal one, I agree with you on that. But your over generalization of all Jews is without basis and troubling. Some of the implacable critics of the state of Israel are themselves jews. Many of the greatest scientists are jews. Many great thinkers are jews, from Spinoza to Karl Marx to Trostsy. We can oppose the state of Israel without opposing jews in general.