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Where else. Just from beyond the khyber pass.

In fact this might be quite true... For ghandhaari is from that area?

 

[prasad1]

This should have been the first point that should have been taken up for consideration. But as long as the said scripture suited the members to demonstrate their point of view, people chose to ignore its validity.



From where do you get this idea? Are there any such instances reported in scriptures?

Yes you are right sir, i did exaggerate it a bit for drama.

Manu smrithi:
9.101. Husband and Wife should remain together till death. They should not approach any other partner, nor commit adultery. This, in summary, is the Dharma or religion of all human beings. Thus those societies which justify polygamy or sex-slavery or temporary marriage are bound to suffer miseries because they neglect the core tenet of Dharma.

Adulterous relations or extra marital affairs involving a married woman attract more severe punishments than the ones involving an unmarried woman. Hinduism does not support adulterous liaisons and it is considered a moral sin. Individuals who get involved in treacherous or illegitimate relationships have to face a lot of public disrespect and societal humiliation, generally in the rustic regions, where the social order is still conventional. Particularly in case of women, the consequences of adultery are much worse and extra marital affairs involving married women are rarely overlooked or pardoned. According to Hinduism, marriage is a sacrosanct association, which is not limited to one birth and extends over several lives. It is necessary to maintain the purity of marriage and to uphold matrimonial vows. Breaking the consecrated promise and the union of marriage recognized with deities as witness is a profanity and an appalling karma. Adultery is being severely dealt with in ancient Hindu law books for ethical as well as social reasons. Adultery may lead to perplexity of castes, decrepitude of family standards and societal disarray. According to Vishnu Purana 3.11, “A man should not think incontinently of another’s wife, much less address her to that end; for such a man will be reborn in future life as a creeping insect. He who commits adultery is punished here and hereafter; for his days in this world are cut short, and when dead he falls into hell.” Adultery has never been accepted in Hinduism and even today the Indian society treats it as a wrongful deed.

Whether called adultery, infidelity, or unfaithfulness, the Hindu dharmasastras do not permit any act of sexual union outside the socially sanctioned marriage system. The life of a person in the phase of grihasthya (household life) has prescribed functions of prajaa (progeny for family), dharma (meeting religious goals), and kama (sensual and emotional pleasure). A serious breach of dharma occurs if there is any deviation like lesbianism, homosexuality, and adultery. The Bhagavad Gita (1:40-42) commented that a corrupt woman would destroy the family value, resulting in the destruction of her family. According to the Vishnu Purana, if a man commits adultery, he will be severely punished in this birth as well as the next birth (3:11). Even offering of gifts or touching of the dress and ornaments of a woman constitutes an act of adultery. According to the ancient lawgiver, Manu (100 BCE to 100 CE), severe punishment was to be imposed on men and women indulging in samgrahana (adulterous acts) (5:154; 8:371-372). The Atharva Veda was against even having sinful thoughts (6:45, 1). Manu had implored the king to free the kingdom from assault, adultery, theft, defamation, and violence so as to enjoy sovereignty and integrity (5:154; 8:386-387). Hinduism recognizes the moral issues of adultery that cause degradation of family life as well as social disorder.
http://what-when-how.com/love-in-world-religions/adultery-in-hinduism/



Adultery Laws in India


According to ancient Hindu laws, only the felonious female were punished and killed while the husbands were considered equal to god and were left off with warnings only.

http://www.advocatekhoj.com/library...dultery Divorce&STitle=Adultery laws in India

 

[tks]

The Bhagavad Gita (1:40-42) commented that a corrupt woman would destroy the family value, resulting in the destruction of her family.

This quote is partially misleading because this is what Arjuna says (perhaps about prevailing thinking) . But it is not acknowledged by Sri Krishna in his response

 

[prasad1]

Yes you are right sir, i did exaggerate it a bit for drama.

Manu smrithi:
9.101. Husband and Wife should remain together till death. They should not approach any other partner, nor commit adultery. This, in summary, is the Dharma or religion of all human beings. Thus those societies which justify polygamy or sex-slavery or temporary marriage are bound to suffer miseries because they neglect the core tenet of Dharma.

Adulterous relations or extra marital affairs involving a married woman attract more severe punishments than the ones involving an unmarried woman. Hinduism does not support adulterous liaisons and it is considered a moral sin. Individuals who get involved in treacherous or illegitimate relationships have to face a lot of public disrespect and societal humiliation, generally in the rustic regions, where the social order is still conventional. Particularly in case of women, the consequences of adultery are much worse and extra marital affairs involving married women are rarely overlooked or pardoned. According to Hinduism, marriage is a sacrosanct association, which is not limited to one birth and extends over several lives. It is necessary to maintain the purity of marriage and to uphold matrimonial vows. Breaking the consecrated promise and the union of marriage recognized with deities as witness is a profanity and an appalling karma. Adultery is being severely dealt with in ancient Hindu law books for ethical as well as social reasons. Adultery may lead to perplexity of castes, decrepitude of family standards and societal disarray. According to Vishnu Purana 3.11, “A man should not think incontinently of another’s wife, much less address her to that end; for such a man will be reborn in future life as a creeping insect. He who commits adultery is punished here and hereafter; for his days in this world are cut short, and when dead he falls into hell.” Adultery has never been accepted in Hinduism and even today the Indian society treats it as a wrongful deed.

Whether called adultery, infidelity, or unfaithfulness, the Hindu dharmasastras do not permit any act of sexual union outside the socially sanctioned marriage system. The life of a person in the phase of grihasthya (household life) has prescribed functions of prajaa (progeny for family), dharma (meeting religious goals), and kama (sensual and emotional pleasure). A serious breach of dharma occurs if there is any deviation like lesbianism, homosexuality, and adultery. The Bhagavad Gita (1:40-42) commented that a corrupt woman would destroy the family value, resulting in the destruction of her family. According to the Vishnu Purana, if a man commits adultery, he will be severely punished in this birth as well as the next birth (3:11). Even offering of gifts or touching of the dress and ornaments of a woman constitutes an act of adultery. According to the ancient lawgiver, Manu (100 BCE to 100 CE), severe punishment was to be imposed on men and women indulging in samgrahana (adulterous acts) (5:154; 8:371-372). The Atharva Veda was against even having sinful thoughts (6:45, 1). Manu had implored the king to free the kingdom from assault, adultery, theft, defamation, and violence so as to enjoy sovereignty and integrity (5:154; 8:386-387). Hinduism recognizes the moral issues of adultery that cause degradation of family life as well as social disorder.
http://what-when-how.com/love-in-world-religions/adultery-in-hinduism/



Adultery Laws in India


According to ancient Hindu laws, only the felonious female were punished and killed while the husbands were considered equal to god and were left off with warnings only.

http://www.advocatekhoj.com/library...dultery Divorce&STitle=Adultery laws in India

Ram banished Sita to the forrest away from kingdom, because someone raised the Adultery flag, even though she came with flying colors from fire Test.

 

[renuka]

Going by the story, none of the Pandavas and Karna were were Kshatriyas. The gods did not have caste system so Karna (if he is son of SUN) can not have a caste, Pandu at best was the adopted father, so there is no lineage from a kshatriya. If Kunti was not the queen she would have been stoned to death and these children will be treated as mongrel.

Then again it is a story.

I think I had mentioned this before in forum..that none of them were Kshatriyas.

Pandavas were son's of Devas..therefore only half humans..they were Demi-Devas.

Kauravas were sons of Dhritarasthra who was a actually son of Veda Vyasa and a the mum of Dhrits who was a Kshatriya.

Veda Vysa was half Brahmin..half Shudra (mother was Sathyavati).

Therefore that makes Dhrits a 25% Brahmin, 25%Shudra and 50% Kshatriya.

That makes the Kauravas 12.5% Brahmin,12.5% Shudra and 75% Kshatriya.

What a mixed caste!LOL

 

[renuka]

This quote is partially misleading because this is what Arjuna says (perhaps about prevailing thinking) . But it is not acknowledged by Sri Krishna in his response

True..the next stanza Lord Krishna admonishes Arjuna...so we have no idea if Krishna agreed or not.

But at the same time...Krishna sort of talks about samkarya(admixture/confusion) in another stanza..Chapter 3 stanza 24.

utseedeyurime lokaa na kuryaam karma chedaham |
samkaryasya cha kartaa syaamupahanyaamimaah prajaaha || 24 ||
These people would be ruined if I stopped performing action. I would become the creator of confusion and destroy these beings.

But Lord Krishna does NOT use the word Varna here when He talks about admixture/confusion even though some authors have translated it to mean an admixture or confusion of Varna.

 

[renuka]

Dear Vaagmi ji,

I did not want to be the first person to derail your new thread hence I am posting a question here with regards to Organizing the Community.

Firstly I strongly believe a person is Brahmin by birth only and not be Guna blah blah.

Ok I also know you advocate an understanding about Sattva being the more dominant expression in a Brahmin.Here again I fully agree.

Now my question.

So what happened? Why is there a need to even organize the community..why the need to prevent dwindling numbers...what is the reason why IC or IR marriage taking place.More TB girls are marrying Non TB guys.

So if Sattva is the dominant expression in the genetic make up of a TB how come Sattva does not seem to be expressing itself anymore by the looks of it that IC/IR marriage taking place.

What is with the Sattva gene that has turned recessive in recent times?

I do not want to blame the Yuga cos a link between Yuga and genetic code Sattva expression can not be established.

Can you share your opinion here?

 

[vgane]

Dear Vaagmi ji,

I did not want to be the first person to derail your new thread hence I am posting a question here with regards to Organizing the Community.

Firstly I strongly believe a person is Brahmin by birth only and not be Guna blah blah.

Ok I also know you advocate an understanding about Sattva being the more dominant expression in a Brahmin.Here again I fully agree.

Now my question.

So what happened? Why is there a need to even organize the community..why the need to prevent dwindling numbers...what is the reason why IC or IR marriage taking place.More TB girls are marrying Non TB guys.

So if Sattva is the dominant expression in the genetic make up of a TB how come Sattva does not seem to be expressing itself anymore by the looks of it that IC/IR marriage taking place.

What is with the Sattva gene that has turned recessive in recent times?

I do not want to blame the Yuga cos a link between Yuga and genetic code Sattva expression can not be established.

Can you share your opinion here?

Renukaji,

Rapid urbanization, globalization & the current electoral politics are the root causes for the death of the community..There are no more kings to take up the cause of Brahmins...No more agraharams...Nobody to put Dharmasastras on a holy pedestal..Now TB's are pushed to the wall & are forced to fend for themselves

 

[renuka]

Renukaji,

Rapid urbanization, globalization & the current electoral politics are the root causes for the death of the community..There are no more kings to take up the cause of Brahmins...No more agraharams...Nobody to put Dharmasastras on a holy pedestal..Now TB's are pushed to the wall & are forced to fend for themselves

Dear Vgane ji,

Your answer is from the environmental point of view.Environment does have an influence on human behavior but I am looking for a genetic based reply.

Ok for example hair color..a person who is black haired who has had all ancestors with black hair... even if everyone around him is blonde his hair is never going to turn blonde.
He would remain black haired becos he carries the genes for black hair.

Black hair is a dominant gene..it will express itself in a more evident way than any other hair color.

So likewise here..the Sattva expression is the dominant expression in a TB for example.

I am not using the word Sattva gene cos a Sattva gene has not been isolated yet but who knows in the future it might be isolated.

Now coming back to what I was saying..environmental factors alone can not really stop anything from expressing itself.

So if you say that ."There are no more kings to take up the cause of Brahmins...No more agraharams...Nobody to put Dharmasastras on a holy pedestal" that means the Sattva expression needs a saviour..a protector for its survival when other expressions like Rajas and Tamas can survive under any condition...would that mean that the Sattva expression is not conducive for survival of the fittest?

Your opinion makes it sound as if Sattva =Weakness.

Do you really view yourself as weak that you need a King to take up the cause for Brahmin or no one to put Dharmashastras in holy pedestal? What happen to individual capability of the Sattva expression?

I would not want to agree with your findings cos that would only show that environmental influences can cancel the effect of a genetic expression which would just in turn make the Sattva genetic theory null and void cos environmental factors affects entire mankind the same which means Sattva is not going to have an edge if its equally influenced.

I seek some more clarification here.

 

[vgane]

Dear Vgane ji,

Your answer is from the environmental point of view.Environment does have an influence on human behavior but I am looking for a genetic based reply.

Ok for example hair color..a person who is black haired who has had all ancestors with black hair... even if everyone around him is blonde his hair is never going to turn blonde.
He would remain black haired becos he carries the genes for black hair.

Black hair is a dominant gene..it will express itself in a more evident way than any other hair color.

So likewise here..the Sattva expression is the dominant expression in a TB for example.

I am not using the word Sattva gene cos a Sattva gene has not been isolated yet but who knows in the future it might be isolated.

Now coming back to what I was saying..environmental factors alone can not really stop anything from expressing itself.

So if you say that ."There are no more kings to take up the cause of Brahmins...No more agraharams...Nobody to put Dharmasastras on a holy pedestal" that means the Sattva expression needs a saviour..a protector for its survival when other expressions like Rajas and Tamas can survive under any condition...would that mean that the Sattva expression is not conducive for survival of the fittest?

Your opinion makes it sound as if Sattva =Weakness.

Do you really view yourself as weak that you need a King to take up the cause for Brahmin or no one to put Dharmashastras in holy pedestal? What happen to individual capability of the Sattva expression?

I would not want to agree with your findings cos that would only show that environmental influences can cancel the effect of a genetic expression which would just in turn make the Sattva genetic theory null and void cos environmental factors affects entire mankind the same which means Sattva is not going to have an edge if its equally influenced.

I seek some more clarification here.

Sattva is not a weakness...Suppose we have a sattvik and we have him surrounded by 4 non sattviks in 4 directions..He is now forced to smell only non sattvik food daily..He hears only non sattvik ..The Government also promotes non sattvik and says that we will give jobs & education only to non sattviks....Even if you are a poor sattvik no one will help you as you are a sattvik !!

In such a (non) congenial environment If the sattvik is hammered on all fronts (which is happening in TN) what will happen to his family...Either they will run away from that place (Read migrate) or they will convert to non sattvik (Read IC & IR)

Hope this explains

 

[renuka]

Sattva is not a weakness...Suppose we have a sattvik and we have him surrounded by 4 non sattviks in 4 directions..He is now forced to smell only non sattvik food daily..He hears only non sattvik ..The Government also promotes non sattvik and says that we will give jobs & education only to non sattviks....Even if you are a poor sattvik no one will help you as you are a sattvik !!

In such a (non) congenial environment If the sattvik is hammered on all fronts (which is happening in TN) what will happen to his family...Either they will run away from that place (Read migrate) or they will convert to non sattvik (Read IC & IR)

Hope this explains

Shades of persecution complex is a form of hidden anxiety.

BTW one can run from a place..migrate or be invited to another region..that is theory of migration of all races in the world but IC/IR marriage is not forced upon anyone..its a personal choice.

Introspection gives more answers than blaming external factors.

 

[vgane]

Introspection gives more answers than blaming external factors.

Can you vouch that whatever external factors that I mentioned against TB's are not there in TN?

You yourself would be hearing about the talk about tokenization, unification of TB's only in TN & not in other parts of India except Kashmir because the the politics of hatred against B's are not present in those States.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Bs are equally responsible for the B baiting. When it started happening in TN, no one was able to reply to the criticisms.

One of the close friends of the rationalist leader, who was against Bs, was a leading politician from B community. He had not spoken anything to defuse the situation. Instead, he was concentrating on Ramayana, B Gita, MS Subbulakshmi's songs. The various B groups concentrated only on their specific development. The sattvik nature of Bs make them weak, sluggish and above all selfish.

Those who are unable to face situation left the State. The remaining lot follows the same old pattern, until such time as the stock position comes to nil.

 

[renuka]

Can you vouch that whatever external factors that I mentioned against TB's are not there in TN?

You yourself would be hearing about the talk about tokenization, unification of TB's only in TN & not in other parts of India except Kashmir because the the politics of hatred against B's are not present in those States.

From my short stint in India for 5 1/2 years...I have noted that Brahmins from other states do not really view themselves as different as night and day from the rest of the population of their state.


I have not much idea of the scenario in TN cos I did not stay there but I did meet some TBs from TN who did tell me they are Aryans and the rest of population of TN are Dravidians.

But I did not hear this theory of Arya Dravida divide from other South Indian Brahmins.

That is one difference I noted.

North Indian Brahmins are just like any other Northern Indian NB too..same behavior...they are not ambis.

Presence or absence of external factors in TN still does not explain the cause for IC and IR marriage.

In fact if a community is being"persecuted" the more the youths of the community would try to preserve their purity of lineage which is not always true knowing the preference of TB girls to marry Non TB males in TN.

Also going by the theory of "persecution" which person would want to marry their community's aggressor.


I would give an example...the wife of African American Revolutionist Malcom X was half white herself..that is a by product of her African Mother being raped by a White Male.

So the wife of Malcolm X was lighter in skin tone and she hated that light skin tone cos it reminded her of her mother's rape by a White Man..so she only wanted to marry a very dark African American so that her light skin genes would be drowned and not show up.


Now going by this..this shows how much the wife of Malcom X viewed the aggressor of her race with contempt.

But this is not the case we see in TN..why is IC/IR happening? If persecution is true..why are people marrying their aggressors?

Something does not make sense here..or may be there is no actual dangerous persecution?

I dont know..you tell me why TB girls do not view NB guys like how Malcom X's wife viewed white males.

 

[renuka]

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

I have some interesting info which you would surely love cos it does to a certain extent go with your gene theory but not with the hints of being purely birth based instead just a technique how to even improve the genes passed down to the future generation for all alike.
But you could feel that some Genes are already "perfected" hence why lead to admixture to cause "imperfection' again.Well that I leave it to you to decide.

I have pasted the article here..I hope its visible to all cos sometimes emails pasted dont show up to others..let me know if its not visible.

I can see it though.


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Well, obviously this isn’t a serious way to affect our future. But both the ancient science of yoga and the cutting-edge science of epigenetics give us understandings and tools for making actual, positive changes in what lies ahead.

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More than fifty years ago Paramhansa Yogananda stated that the practice of meditation, and ofKriya Yoga in particular, actually changes the molecular structure of the brain. Modern neuroscience is now validating Yogananda’s claim: They’re finding that lifestyle changes such as meditation, positive thinking, good diet, and exercise do, in fact, change the brain’s structure.


These activities allow us to bring more energy to the brain’s prefrontal lobe, which is the center of joy, well-being, and solution orientation. By the same token, less energy is directed to the more primitive parts of the brain that relate to anxiety, depression, fear, and anger. Over time, the way we look at ourselves, others, and the world around us changes dramatically for the better.


But it goes further than this. The latest genetic research is finding that activities such as meditation and positive thinking can even affect our DNA. There are a raft of genes that are changeable in on/off positions. Genetically influenced conditions such as alcoholism, diabetes, and depression can be reset to an off position in our DNA according to our lifestyle, freeing us from their controlling effect.


Not only can you reset what you’ve inherited in your gene pool to improve your own future, but you can also pass on to your children the “off” settings of any deleterious genes you have switched off.


So meditation and a positive mental outlook have a tremendous influence on our future. Yoganandaji said that even if you’ve been chronically ill throughout an entire lifetime, if at the moment of death you strongly affirm, “I am WELL,” you will be reborn in a healthy body.


Swami Kriyananda was plagued with many physical ailments in the last years of his life, but inwardly he never identified with them. Once when he visited a new doctor who was reviewing his voluminous medical reports, the doctor asked him, “How is your health?”
“Excellent!” Swamiji replied. This was how he saw it, and why he was able to keep joyously serving God up to his last day.


“Everything in future will improve if you are making the right spiritual effort now.” This oft-made statement by Sri Yukteswar, Yoganandaji’s guru, was no mere sweet sentiment. It is a literal truth that shows us the way to glowing happiness, health, and fulfillment: today, tomorrow, and into the uncircumscribed future.


With joy in what lies ahead,
Nayaswami Devi
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[Vaagmi]

Dear Vaagmi ji,
I did not want to be the first person to derail your new thread hence I am posting a question here with regards to Organizing the Community.
Firstly I strongly believe a person is Brahmin by birth only and not be Guna blah blah.
Ok I also know you advocate an understanding about Sattva being the more dominant expression in a Brahmin.Here again I fully agree.

I am pleased that you understand.

Now my question.
1. So what happened? Why is there a need to even organize the community..why the need to prevent dwindling numbers...what is the reason why IC or IR marriage taking place.More TB girls are marrying Non TB guys.
2. So if Sattva is the dominant expression in the genetic make up of a TB how come Sattva does not seem to be expressing itself anymore by the looks of it that IC/IR marriage taking place.
3. What is with the Sattva gene that has turned recessive in recent times?
4. I do not want to blame the Yuga cos a link between Yuga and genetic code Sattva expression can not be established.
Can you share your opinion here?

This would require an elaborate answer. Considering the attention spans, I try to make it as simple as possible. LOL.

1. a. In a millieu in which the living organisms compete with each other without any external intervention in a sort of free for all, the nature's law is fairly enforced. (According to Mendel the fittest survives.) But among these organism when ganging up for whatever reason takes place after realizing the advantages of it, the atmosphere gets vitiated. It is no more free for all. It is free for "some" and not so free for others who are not part of the "some". So others also in course of time get organized and become the "some.2". LOL.

b. In the ancient society there was no adult franchise or elections. Knowledge was power really and was not a mere slogan. So naturally those who went after knowledge, sought it or acquired it were at the apex. It was not that they were elected or appointed but it was a natural process. And these people at the apex also did not bother about power or wealth because there was no threat of their losing it or being short of it. They went in further pursuit of knowledge.

c. Forgetting lofty theoretical aspects for a moment, even looking at it practically brahmins who were at the apex never bothered about acquiring huge wealth as their meagre (meagre because they were sAtvik) needs were well taken care of otherwise by grants like brahmadeyams, kodai ( கொடை) and dakshinai. And most importantly these grants were all in kind and not in cash. You offer me a service. I recognize your knowledge in this field. I thank you. Please take this what I can offer you-- this was the kind of transaction. Later with the monetisation of the economy all went topsy turvy. As unit value of money's worth was determined in terms of what it can fetch, more and more of these units became an obsession and the stress shifted. So one complication led to another and that to another etc., and we are where we are.

d. And another external factor came into practice. That is organization. People started thinking in terms of groups and that needed organization to make the groups efficient. Once groups were organized and became efficient, domination (as rajo and tamo gunas need frequent opiate infusion and what better opiate can be there than subjugation of another being?) was the natural corrollary. When a group organizes itself and shows the world the advantages of organization, others follow. So cutting short a lengthy reply, I would say TBs need to organize because others are organized and they rub their organized strength on TBs in every area of existence today. IC/IR marriages have several reasons for happening. One of them is the failure of Brahmins in not organizing themselves.

2. For answer read 1 and perceive.

3. sAtva guna is under cloud because of food, habits, environment, dilution of age old values and aggressive presence of other gunas.

4. If yuga represent kala dimension, yes time had a role. Brahmins have been lulled into a stupor. They have to wake up. They have to wake up not to fight with others. They have to wake up so that they can contrinue to contribute to humanity with vigour as their ancestors were doing.

 

[biswa]

The procession of time (i.e. Yuga) is not reversible. The only thing that comes after Kali Yuga is Maha Pralaya.

 

[vgane]

My responses below yours

From my short stint in India for 5 1/2 years...I have noted that Brahmins from other states do not really view themselves as different as night and day from the rest of the population of their state.


I have not much idea of the scenario in TN cos I did not stay there but I did meet some TBs from TN who did tell me they are Aryans and the rest of population of TN are Dravidians.

But I did not hear this theory of Arya Dravida divide from other South Indian Brahmins.

The TB's were brain washed to think that they are superior by the called so Dravidian-Aryan theory..We all know NOW it is just a hog wash..So this would soon end!

That is one difference I noted.

North Indian Brahmins are just like any other Northern Indian NB too..same behavior...they are not ambis.

Presence or absence of external factors in TN still does not explain the cause for IC and IR marriage.

There were hardly any IC & IR 50 years back...But they have multiplied exponentially in last 20 years and more so in last 10 years..It is altogether a new phenomenon! It was restricted to the high & mighty mainly earlier..Now it has become all pervasive ...Every fourth guy is marrying outside the community

In fact if a community is being"persecuted" the more the youths of the community would try to preserve their purity of lineage which is not always true knowing the preference of TB girls to marry Non TB males in TN.

Lack of cultural moorings, moving away from Agraharams, getting enticed /intoxicated by money, hardly any personal touch with parents and vice versa, focus on co-education & jobs where women especially are exposed to opposite sex have caused this decline

Also going by the theory of "persecution" which person would want to marry their community's aggressor.


I would give an example...the wife of African American Revolutionist Malcom X was half white herself..that is a by product of her African Mother being raped by a White Male.

So the wife of Malcolm X was lighter in skin tone and she hated that light skin tone cos it reminded her of her mother's rape by a White Man..so she only wanted to marry a very dark African American so that her light skin genes would be drowned and not show up.


Now going by this..this shows how much the wife of Malcom X viewed the aggressor of her race with contempt.

But this is not the case we see in TN..why is IC/IR happening? If persecution is true..why are people marrying their aggressors?

Those who feel persecuted will not go for IC & IR...It is only a vocal few who explain this..In fact you try teasing an SC & a TB...The TB will 99% laugh it away..While the SC will take the insult personally & may even beat you or kill you!!...Dur to anti TB politics the TB's have lost their self respect and are unable to counter the vitriol and calumny heaped on them!! So many have even reconciled to the fact that anti TBism will continue for ages as it is kali yugam! What a stupidity?

Something does not make sense here..or may be there is no actual dangerous persecution?

I dont know..you tell me why TB girls do not view NB guys like how Malcom X's wife viewed white males.

 

[prasad1]

Ram banished Sita to the forrest away from kingdom, because someone raised the Adultery flag, even though she came with flying colors from fire Test.

Created by the god Brahma as the most beautiful woman, Ahalya was married to the much older Gautama. Ahalya falls prey to Indra's trickery. Ahalya and Indra are cursed by Gautama. Ahalya is cursed to become a stone.

 

[renuka]

The TB's were brain washed to think that they are superior by the called so Dravidian-Aryan theory..We all know NOW it is just a hog wash..So this would soon end!

I expected this reply.

If one can get brainwashed that means Viveka did not kick into action and why no one thought of looking up Dharmashastras for evidence instead of believing some Aryan-Dravidian divide theory.

Name me one piece of evidence from the Dharmashastras that cleary talks about an Invasion theory in black and white..

Technically there is none..even the Rigveda famous line of inhabitants being dark..apada(without legs) ..without a nose(anasa) does not really give a clear picture about anything cos there can be humans with dark skin and a lower nasal bridge but an entire population can not be without legs.

So what did that verse actually mean? No idea.

Again how did the Sattva expression not have Viveka? Only Tamas hardly has Viveka.


After a certain point we humans have to get real...introspect instead of playing the blame game.

I call it the Deva Syndrome...always blaming Asuras for their problems and running to God for help and in that process nothing is solved cos one does not identify that the only real Asura we all have to deal with is our own fear.

 

[renuka]

Created by the god Brahma as the most beautiful woman, Ahalya was married to the much older Gautama. Ahalya falls prey to Indra's trickery. Ahalya and Indra are cursed by Gautama. Ahalya is cursed to become a stone.

In Valmiki Ramayan he clearly states that Ahalya knew it was not Gautama but felt flattered that Indra fancied her.

From the psychological point of view...its like an imaginary game..for example some people dress up as waitresses,nurses etc for amorous role play..so Indra taking the form of Gautama could have been a major reason for Ahalya to find the game worthy of a response.

 

[Vaagmi]

in valmiki ramayan he clearly states that ahalya knew it was not gautama but felt flattered that indra fancied her.

From the psychological point of view...its like an imaginary game..for example some people dress up as waitresses,nurses etc for amorous role play..so indra taking the form of gautama could have been a major reason for ahalya to find the game worthy of a response.

lol.

 

[biswa]

I think I had mentioned this before in forum..that none of them were Kshatriyas.

Pandavas were son's of Devas..therefore only half humans..they were Demi-Devas.

Kauravas were sons of Dhritarasthra who was a actually son of Veda Vyasa and a the mum of Dhrits who was a Kshatriya.

Veda Vysa was half Brahmin..half Shudra (mother was Sathyavati).

Therefore that makes Dhrits a 25% Brahmin, 25%Shudra and 50% Kshatriya.

That makes the Kauravas 12.5% Brahmin,12.5% Shudra and 75% Kshatriya.

What a mixed caste!LOL

Doctor ma'am another point to ponder. How come the male devas (who were presumably all married) had children with earth women with impunity? Nobody considered this bad behavior, adultery etc.

Now imagine the genders were reversed and some men were allowed to procreate with some goddesses. Imagine the hue and cry! Would the goddesses still be worshipped?

What explanation is there for this except for the puranas being written by conservative males in a patriarchal society?

 

[biswa]

Renukaji it is disappointing that you are still applying Mendelian genetics. Surely by now you have been schooled in the specific gene theory espoused in this forum?

 

[renuka]

Doctor ma'am another point to ponder. How come the male devas (who were presumably all married) had children with earth women with impunity? Nobody considered this bad behavior, adultery etc.

Now imagine the genders were reversed and some men were allowed to procreate with some goddesses. Imagine the hue and cry! Would the goddesses still be worshipped?

What explanation is there for this except for the puranas being written by conservative males in a patriarchal society?

Yes...agreed..we only have had Apsaras lusting after human males and cursing them if they do not respond..Arjuna got cursed for not romancing an Apsara.


BTW have your ever wondered Biswa Sir..why we only have movies where Indian males fall in love with Pakistani females but we never have movies where Pakistani males fall in love with Indian females.