Indesent Dressing by Girls

[Raji Ram]

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...... Reppu is telegu for tomorrow!

AyyO, Renu! It is rEpu! Thats all.

 

[prasad1]

AyyO, Renu! It is rEpu! Thats all.

Or is it REPU almost like the thread is about.

 

[prasad1]

Some of the postings in this thread is sad commentary on Indian Male.
If some one not associated with India was to read it, they will assume Indians are a lecherous bunch. I think Indians in majority are not like that.

Secondly the mark of "culture" is not to act on all impulses. If we act on all impulses like Mr. Sarang implies (by talking about mannequin), then are all Indian Men, Animals. As cultured human we must restrain ourselves, and that is the point others are making.

So either all Indian men are animals and women must always be on guard, or Indian men are civilized and would respect women's right to dress how ever they please.

Morality is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are "good" (or right) and those that are "bad" (or wrong). The philosophy of morality is ethics. A moral code is a system of morality (according to a particular philosophy, religion, culture, etc.) and a moral is any one practice or teaching within a moral code. Morality may also be specifically synonymous with "goodness" or "rightness." Immorality is the active opposition to morality (i.e. opposition to that which is good or right), while amorality is variously defined as an unawareness of, indifference toward, or disbelief in any set of moral standards or principles. An example of a moral code is the Golden Rule which states that, "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."


There are criminal elements in all society all over the world. Ordinary folks men and women need to take precaution to be safe in their surroundings.

I would request all these people who so vehemently give moralizing lectures to women and talk about Indian men.

 

[amala]

Dear Amala,

How about Thelungu?

I haven't come across that till just now! :shocked:

 

[amala]

Some of the postings in this thread is sad commentary on Indian Male.
If some one not associated with India was to read it, they will assume Indians are a lecherous bunch. I think Indians in majority are not like that.

Secondly the mark of "culture" is not to act on all impulses. If we act on all impulses like Mr. Sarang implies (by talking about mannequin), then are all Indian Men, Animals. As cultured human we must restrain ourselves, and that is the point others are making.

So either all Indian men are animals and women must always be on guard, or Indian men are civilized and would respect women's right to dress how ever they please.

Morality is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are "good" (or right) and those that are "bad" (or wrong). The philosophy of morality is ethics. A moral code is a system of morality (according to a particular philosophy, religion, culture, etc.) and a moral is any one practice or teaching within a moral code. Morality may also be specifically synonymous with "goodness" or "rightness." Immorality is the active opposition to morality (i.e. opposition to that which is good or right), while amorality is variously defined as an unawareness of, indifference toward, or disbelief in any set of moral standards or principles. An example of a moral code is the Golden Rule which states that, "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."


There are criminal elements in all society all over the world. Ordinary folks men and women need to take precaution to be safe in their surroundings.

I would request all these people who so vehemently give moralizing lectures to women and talk about Indian men.

When will people realise that it is not about sex and rape is actually about power and control and sex is merely a tool. But I do take on board that depending on country/location dress is important.

 

[biswa]

For information, a compromise may be reached in the maharashtra mannequin-lingerie issue. Dummies facing the street will be clad in respectable clothes, and lingerie clad mannequins will be inside the shop in the lingerie section. Only men accompanying their girl friends/ wives, and boys tagging along with their mothers will get a chance to view.

Wait, I didn't understand what the objection is for a single man to view the lingerie clad mannequin. Will he feel like raping the mannequin?

 

[palindrome]

Wait, I didn't understand what the objection is for a single man to view the lingerie clad mannequin. Will he feel like raping the mannequin?

He might have wanted to. Which is why he protested against the clothing.

Naach na jaane aangan tayda (don't know to dance, so blame (claim) the floor is uneven)

Similarly, can't hold the pants so blame the women, the mannequin, the clothes, are to be blamed.

 

[sangom]

Some of the postings in this thread is sad commentary on Indian Male.
If some one not associated with India was to read it, they will assume Indians are a lecherous bunch. I think Indians in majority are not like that.

Secondly the mark of "culture" is not to act on all impulses. If we act on all impulses like Mr. Sarang implies (by talking about mannequin), then are all Indian Men, Animals. As cultured human we must restrain ourselves, and that is the point others are making.

So either all Indian men are animals and women must always be on guard, or Indian men are civilized and would respect women's right to dress how ever they please.

Morality is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are "good" (or right) and those that are "bad" (or wrong). The philosophy of morality is ethics. A moral code is a system of morality (according to a particular philosophy, religion, culture, etc.) and a moral is any one practice or teaching within a moral code. Morality may also be specifically synonymous with "goodness" or "rightness." Immorality is the active opposition to morality (i.e. opposition to that which is good or right), while amorality is variously defined as an unawareness of, indifference toward, or disbelief in any set of moral standards or principles. An example of a moral code is the Golden Rule which states that, "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself."


There are criminal elements in all society all over the world. Ordinary folks men and women need to take precaution to be safe in their surroundings.

I would request all these people who so vehemently give moralizing lectures to women and talk about Indian men.

Dear Shri Prasad,

If it is necessary, according to your lights, to assume that "all Indian men are animals and women must always be on guard", if that is what is needed for women to get some sense away from their new-found enthusiasm of unlimited freedom. In a sense men are all susceptible to external sexual stimulii especially during the prime of their youth and while some of them may be able to control such sexual arousal, some may not be. It is the latter category which, in my opinion, has the thirst for rape lurking in their mind, and, whenever an opportunity comes before them, they will make use of it.

Even if rapists are condemned to the worst kind of torture and death (in ancient Kerala this was the punishment, I am told) rape cannot be stopped. But that does not mean that women may dress in whatever they want. There are certain rules being followed for a long time in each country in regard to dress and it is only commonsense to adhere to it.

For example, in Kerala any beautiful baby will be petted by both men and women, by kissing it on its cheek/forehead, giving a slight pinch, etc. If in Canada, they feel this may result in child molestation, do people put forward research papers about psychology of child molesters etc., and try to argue that kissing on cheeks etc., should not affect the incidence of child molestation? Each country has its own way of preventing certain crimes. It is only because India is a basket case that any Tom, Dick and Harry feels he/she can preach about what Indians should or should not do.

 

[palindrome]

There are criminal elements in all society all over the world. Ordinary folks men and women need to take precaution to be safe in their surroundings.

I would request all these people who so vehemently give moralizing lectures to women and talk about Indian men.

Taking precautions is right. But contributing support, to the excuses given by rapists (in this case, clothes) is wrong.

A white woman, was touring Chennai in a city bus. She was in a salwar. You should have seen the commotion in the bus. Young adult males (boys) touched her everywhere. Unable to bear the molestation, she tried to get off the bus (every male tried to squeeze along the way). Even when she got off boys on the bus-steps were pulling her hair and clothes. When she finally broke free and ran away, the boys were shouting at the top of their voice, laughing, commenting.

No one said anything to the boys, not the conductor, the bus driver, other passengers. All just saw as though some movie show was on.

Sorry sir, I liked your post. But clothes don't help. The pathology of a crime is in the criminal psychopath's brain. Lets not contribute support to the excuses they give.

 

[C RAVI]

Dear Shri Prasad,

If it is necessary, according to your lights, to assume that "all Indian men are animals and women must always be on guard", if that is what is needed for women to get some sense away from their new-found enthusiasm of unlimited freedom. In a sense men are all susceptible to external sexual stimulii especially during the prime of their youth and while some of them may be able to control such sexual arousal, some may not be. It is the latter category which, in my opinion, has the thirst for rape lurking in their mind, and, whenever an opportunity comes before them, they will make use of it.

Even if rapists are condemned to the worst kind of torture and death (in ancient Kerala this was the punishment, I am told) rape cannot be stopped. But that does not mean that women may dress in whatever they want. There are certain rules being followed for a long time in each country in regard to dress and it is only commonsense to adhere to it.

For example, in Kerala any beautiful baby will be petted by both men and women, by kissing it on its cheek/forehead, giving a slight pinch, etc. If in Canada, they feel this may result in child molestation, do people put forward research papers about psychology of child molesters etc., and try to argue that kissing on cheeks etc., should not affect the incidence of child molestation? Each country has its own way of preventing certain crimes. It is only because India is a basket case that any Tom, Dick and Harry feels he/she can preach about what Indians should or should not do.

Shri Sangom!!!!!!!!!!! You are still responding??!!?? I am amazed at your patience and energy..

 

[palindrome]

In a sense men are all susceptible to external sexual stimulii especially during the prime of their youth and while some of them may be able to control such sexual arousal, some may not be. It is the latter category which, in my opinion, has the thirst for rape lurking in their mind, and, whenever an opportunity comes before them, they will make use of it.

Sorry sir, no matter how strong your urge you cannot rape unless you have it in you. Unless its in your design. Which is why i asked men here -- will YOU rape? If you cannot, why support excuses given by rapists?

Even if rapists are condemned to the worst kind of torture and death (in ancient Kerala this was the punishment, I am told) rape cannot be stopped.

Precisely. A criminal's brain is designed that way, he cannot stop. There is no cure for a blood thirsty tiger. He just needs to be killed.

But that does not mean that women may dress in whatever they want. There are certain rules being followed for a long time in each country in regard to dress and it is only commonsense to adhere to it.

Oh please, stop blaming it on the clothes.

For example, in Kerala any beautiful baby will be petted by both men and women, by kissing it on its cheek/forehead, giving a slight pinch, etc. If in Canada, they feel this may result in child molestation, do people put forward research papers about psychology of child molesters etc., and try to argue that kissing on cheeks etc., should not affect the incidence of child molestation? Each country has its own way of preventing certain crimes. It is only because India is a basket case that any Tom, Dick and Harry feels he/she can preach about what Indians should or should not do.

Very sorry sir, but you have given a very pathetic example. No one says kissing a baby is molestation.

Oh well, perhaps some people just don't get it (either they cannot understand the difference or they don't want to). Or worse, they just want to support excuses given by rapists.

 

[prasad1]

Wait, I didn't understand what the objection is for a single man to view the lingerie clad mannequin. Will he feel like raping the mannequin?

Yes LOL.
That is the depravity of Indian male today.

And then we talk of Brahmin Gene, and cultured Hindu, Superior Tamil Culture etc. LOL

 

[Raji Ram]

Yes LOL.
That is the depravity of Indian male today.

And then we talk of Brahmin Gene, and cultured Hindu, Superior Tamil Culture etc. LOL

Dear Prasad Sir,

MOST of the molesters are NOT from the educated group / cultured families. They are just like stray dogs on the road!

Dogs do not bite anyone after checking the dress of that person!

But There are exceptions. Long back there was one famous molester in one university, who used to get any good looking girl

to satisfy his lust! Girls never reported to the police fearing that they will be given lower marks in the exams.

 

[renuka]

Wait, I didn't understand what the objection is for a single man to view the lingerie clad mannequin. Will he feel like raping the mannequin?

Dear Biswa,

Even inanimate objects are not spared!LOL

 

[renuka]

Dear Prasad Sir,

MOST of the molesters are NOT from the educated group / cultured families. They are just like stray dogs on the road!

Dear RR ji,

I disagree...the stray dogs types are too direct in their assault.

The cultured/educated/high class types are smooth criminals that can even sexually molest a female and then try to brain wash her into believing that he did her a favor or she is the chosen one or he is purifying her...what else do you think the Namboodiris were doing to Nair women is Kerala..they somehow managed to convince that they are shooting holy water into the canals of desire!

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri Sangom Ji,

You said in post # 258:

It is only because India is a basket case that any Tom, Dick and Harry feels he/she can preach about what Indians should or should not do.​

Is by chance, these 'any Tom, Dick and Harry' may be named otherwise as KRS, Kunjuppu and Prasad1 ? May be?

Regards,
KRS

 

[Raji Ram]

......... The cultured/educated/high class types are smooth criminals that can even sexually molest a female and then try to brain wash her into believing that he did her a favor or she is the chosen one or he is purifying her...what else do you think the Namboodiris were doing to Nair women is Kerala..they somehow managed to convince that they are shooting holy water into the canals of desire!

Dear Renu,

If they convince the women, it means that the women gives consent!

 

[renuka]

Dear Renu,

If they convince the women, it means that the women gives consent!

Dear RR ji,

When I wrote convince I meant that the Namboodiris managed to convince the Nair community as a whole.

You see the Nair husband is aware that his wife is being screwed by a Namboodiri..so that means some ground work has been done to convince them that Nairs are lucky and blessed to be chosen ones of the Namboodiris.

Even child molesters employ this tactic to get children to have sex with them...they tell the children that they are "special" that is why they are chosen to share intimate moments.

So these are the dangerous types that make a wrong appear right!

 

[Raji Ram]

.......... So these are the dangerous types that make a wrong appear right!

Dear Renu,

I have also heard of a school boy who told that 'that action' is called 'French kiss' and molested many girls!

Don't remember the country, though!

 

[renuka]

Dear RR ji,

I have taken this post of your from another the Sabarimalai thread to discuss it here.

Dear Renu,

Indian males are NOT that bad as you think. They only dash on females while rushing through the Qs.

When I was in my late teens, I had a very bad experience at Guruvayoor temple. One [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]fat guy like 'uLundhu

mAvu' - top less - was dashing against me from behind, sending puffs of his hot breath over my shoulders.

I could not tolerate even for a minute and so told him 'choRi patti! Go to the front!' and made him move in
front of me! Till 2008, I did not go to that temple! :fear:

P.S: I remembered only 'choRi patti' which meant 'choRi nAy' and not any more in Malayalam!​

[/COLOR]

Dear RR ji,

Batu Caves during Thaipusam is an ocean of people and one can hardly move freely...all these years going there was never a problem but ever since Msia started taking in foreign workers from India,Pakistan and B'desh...Batu Caves was not as safe anymore.

Some 4 years back me and my husband had taken Paal Kodam and we had finished the prayer and were walking down the stairs in the crowd.

Both me and my husband were clad in yellow as the custom.
I was dressed in an all yellow salwar kameez.

As I was coming down the stairs a guy who was walking behind me kept pressing himself against me..I turned around to see who it was..and I saw a a person who spoke Tamil..I could here him saying" Super Figurre Macha" to his friends..he looked and dressed like person from TN..

Then he still kept pressing himself against me as I walked...I got real angry cos I was dressed in yellow and he could see for himself that I had just finished carrying Paal Kodam and he could still do that to me.

So I told my husband what happened and told my husband to walk in between me and that guy and that guy did not even let his body touch my husbands body as he walked.

Just imagine..all these years this never happened but as soon we took foreign workers from India..see what happened?

 

[renuka]

Shri Sangom!!!!!!!!!!! You are still responding??!!?? I am amazed at your patience and energy..

OMG Ravi,

I just realized...you need to cover up...I mean your avatar needs to cover up...

Your camel is standing in an open desert without clothes!

See this camel...its wearing clothes!

 

[palindrome]

When I wrote convince I meant that the Namboodiris managed to convince the Nair community as a whole.

Dear Renu,

There is a big difference between consent (as in case of nairs) and violent attack by a predator (as in cases of rape). The former group still has consent (though they got themselves brainwashed). The latter is plain sadism.

RR ji is right. A stray dog won't check clothes before biting. It will bite as soon as it finds a vulnerable prey. Some stray dogs just want a hole. Some stray dogs may look for a beautiful face accompanying a hole. Both are not checking for clothes.

 

[palindrome]

Just imagine..all these years this never happened but as soon we took foreign workers from India..see what happened?

Not surprising. Should expect this in fact.

India is becoming a standing joke, as a nation of molesters and rapists. Until indian government starts hanging rapists, nothing will change.

 

[tks]

Thread is not about how women dress

This thread is not about indecent dressing by women ( girls?) .

It is not even about rape.

It is actually about how an Indian male is raised often (but not always) in a chauvinistic environment. Their world view is that women have 'assets' that have to be protected by heavy clothing (I truly had a LOL moment somewhere in the thread about the use of the word assets).

These men want to protect the 'assets' from prying eyes of others. Their reasoning is that if she does not comply then she may meet with a punishment which might be rape (which in their world view is not fully justified but somewhat deserved though they do not want to admit their feelings about the 'deserving' part)

For many of such men rape is a bit about sex.

It is not possible to have reasonable conversation with someone who is unaware of their own bias .


For common sense reasons it is best to dress like natives do at any place - it is a show of respect. But linking with the consequence of rape for not dressing properly in their eyes only exposes their built-in bias in my view

 

[palindrome]

TKS sir,

So well put. Please see this post . I was in +2 then sitting terrified in the bus when it happened. The lady in question had dressed in a salwar, with a bindi, looked like any other indian clothes-wise but she was not an indian. She probably thot of dressing like a native, and soaking in the native feel, with sights and sounds of a bustling city. I was able to see her face only for few seconds. She looked like she wud faint anytime. Sometimes wonder, what i cud have done.

All adults in that bus were just sitting and watching the show. An old man sitting next to me was giggling, as an offbeat remark he said ''evangella yaen varango'' (why these people (whites) come here). Imagine, if an indian woman is surrounded by white males, gets molested so badly in broad daylight with everyone watching no one helping; what will we do? Blame it on clothes?

I ask every male to think, if you have a daughter or a sister. Who always dressed in salwars and sarees. Lets say she is a traditional housewife from your orthodox home. And she got raped. Wud you still blame it on her clothes? Some will jump the gun and say other reasons for rape exist. One pathetic comment here was that a decently dressed female gets a "chance" to escape. Don't know what to say. Makes me wonder, if these men cannot bring themselves to rape, why they go on contributing support to excuses made by rapists.