Indesent Dressing by Girls

[P.J.]

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Yes I went thru post 198. A news-report from Guyana and wikihow is not proof of any sort. You just want to justify clothing is a reason for rape. If you are a normal man, I can only suggest to you, please do not associate rape with clothing or justify clothing as means or a reason for rape. If you cannot rape a naked women, then please think what sort of a man wud do it.

I never said " clothing is a reason for rape"

All I said is it is the fundamental right of a woman to dress up the way she wants. She also has the right to say 'no to sex'. Forcing sex on a woman is a legal offense.



Sexual assault is never the victim’s fault; And plenty of assaulted women are not dressed sexily, including women draped in head-to-toe burqas.

But there is less chance for a decently dressed up women targeted for rape than scantily dressed up one.

 

[palindrome]

In India people are made to believe that clothing attracts males to misbehave cos this is just a tactic employed by the offender to blame the women..cos the general Indian mindset is trained to think that a true hot blooded male should be easily sexually aroused.

So by shifting the blame to the women...the offender is let off the hook cos there is a new 'criminal' now...the new 'criminal" is the women and everyone joins in and blames her instead of the actual criminal.

Its a mullah tactic, to blame women for their loose pants. In Manusmriti a woman must always be guarded. Why do men think they own women, can do anything to a woman. Actually Renu am wondering why am shocked. I should not be. If mullahs are from the warrior creed very high chance of having MAOA variants, so, of course they will make a religion (and laws) according to their mentality. Gawd, so men and religion come down to this. Where is God in this ?

 

[P.J.]

Dear PJ sir,


I will give a simple example:


Just say a lion is waiting in the bushes hoping to catch a prey.

He sees a herd of wilder beasts.

For him everyone is just a wilder beast.

He then plans an attack..to catch the one that strays from the herd or the one who is young and inexperienced about safety or the one with an injury that renders it not able to run fast.


Ok now the same scenario is with a rapist.

He has his desire for violent sex..he must get it fulfilled.

He sees a crowd where lots of women are there too..some dress scanty..some dress covered..

That does not matter to him..all he wants is Violent act of rape...

He scans around..looks for a victim he feels is most vulnerable ...the girl who is standing alone or who is walking alone in some alley or someone who walks to her carpark in the basement alone.

What she wears does NOT matter.

He is only concerned what lies beneath the dress..to provide him an outlet for his twisted desire.


I hope I am clear.

In India people are made to believe that clothing attracts males to misbehave cos this is just a tactic employed by the offender to blame the women..cos the general Indian mindset is trained to think that a true hot blooded male should be easily sexually aroused.

So by shifting the blame to the women...the offender is let off the hook cos there is a new 'criminal' now...the new 'criminal" is the women and everyone joins in and blames her instead of the actual criminal.

Renukaji

Victims are not to be blamed; In India, If a women wears revealing dress,some males repeat some males are aroused. That is the reason for Swimming pools in India have different timings for females and Males. It is not like US/UK and probably your Malaysia ( dont know )
Even a fully clothed women can get raped, no dispute on that, BUT a decently dressed women stands a better chance of escaping from the rapist.
There too many factors are to be considered.

 

[palindrome]

I never said " clothing is a reason for rape"

All I said is it is the fundamental right of a woman to dress up the way she wants. She also has the right to say 'no to sex'. Forcing sex on a woman is a legal offense.



Sexual assault is never the victim’s fault; And plenty of assaulted women are not dressed sexily, including women draped in head-to-toe burqas.

But there is less chance for a decently dressed up women targeted for rape than scantily dressed up one.

You are only contradicting yourself. You still want to justify clothes as a reason for rape.
Nobody has done worldwide statistics on rape incidents involving clothes. However, crime patrols know any woman, irrespective of clothing, is a potential target, if she is in a vulnerable position (where she cannot defend herself). You are wrong when you say: But there is less chance for a decently dressed up women targeted for rape than scantily dressed up one.
Please stop justifying clothes as a reason for rape.

 

[sarang]

If one views dress as one issue, and not the only issue, then many of the arguments can be clubbed.

Drink, company, environment, opportunity, education, respect for women, are all important.

For information, a compromise may be reached in the maharashtra mannequin-lingerie issue. Dummies facing the street will be clad in respectable clothes, and lingerie clad mannequins will be inside the shop in the lingerie section. Only men accompanying their girl friends/ wives, and boys tagging along with their mothers will get a chance to view.

Dear PJ sir,


I will give a simple example:


Just say a lion is waiting in the bushes hoping to catch a prey.

He sees a herd of wilder beasts.

For him everyone is just a wilder beast.

He then plans an attack..to catch the one that strays from the herd or the one who is young and inexperienced about safety or the one with an injury that renders it not able to run fast.


Ok now the same scenario is with a rapist.

He has his desire for violent sex..he must get it fulfilled.

He sees a crowd where lots of women are there too..some dress scanty..some dress covered..

That does not matter to him..all he wants is Violent act of rape...

He scans around..looks for a victim he feels is most vulnerable ...the girl who is standing alone or who is walking alone in some alley or someone who walks to her carpark in the basement alone.

What she wears does NOT matter.

He is only concerned what lies beneath the dress..to provide him an outlet for his twisted desire.


I hope I am clear.

In India people are made to believe that clothing attracts males to misbehave cos this is just a tactic employed by the offender to blame the women..cos the general Indian mindset is trained to think that a true hot blooded male should be easily sexually aroused.

So by shifting the blame to the women...the offender is let off the hook cos there is a new 'criminal' now...the new 'criminal" is the women and everyone joins in and blames her instead of the actual criminal.

 

[renuka]

Dear All,

I have a feeling most of us here are under the impression that this whole thread is a debate and exchange of opinions.

Rape is a Criminal Act and Offense.

No two rapists are the same.

Rape is also multi factorial and the main concern is to how to get rid of this menace from society.

If some members believe that dressing decently helps..so be it..I can't say that it is 100% effective too but at the same time we need to understand that the Predator is still out there even if a girl covers up herself.

It is just like some harmful bacteria like H Pylori lying dormant in the body and will increase chances of Cancer Stomach if not eradicated.

So we need to put an end to the pathological act of rape..dressing up decently alone wont help.

LAW needs to be strict.

I think India is the only country in the world(I am not too sure of Bangladesh and Pakistan) that takes public sexual harassment of women so lightly as to call it EVE TEASING.

EVE TEASING as I said before sounds too Kosher.

The actual meaning of teasing is:


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1. Make fun of or attempt to provoke (a person or animal) in a playful way: "he teased Jill about her dress"; "she was just teasing".
2. Tempt (someone) sexually with no intention of satisfying the desire aroused.

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[P.J.]

You are only contradicting yourself. You still want to justify clothes as a reason for rape.
Nobody has done worldwide statistics on rape incidents involving clothes. However, crime patrols know any woman, irrespective of clothing, is a potential target, if she is in a vulnerable position (where she cannot defend herself). You are wrong when you say: But there is less chance for a decently dressed up women targeted for rape than scantily dressed up one.
Please stop justifying clothes as a reason for rape.

If you make your own conclusions from my post , I am sorry, i can't help it.
I did not justify clothing as a reason for rape, i only said, a decently dressed up women stands a better chance of escaping from a rapist.

 

[palindrome]

Renukaji

Victims are not to be blamed; In India, If a women wears revealing dress,some males repeat some males are aroused. That is the reason for Swimming pools in India have different timings for females and Males. It is not like US/UK and probably your Malaysia ( dont know )
Even a fully clothed women can get raped, no dispute on that, BUT a decently dressed women stands a better chance of escaping from the rapist.
There too many factors are to be considered.

Getting aroused is different from raping. Arousal is a normal biological phenomenon. Rape is different. Just because a man gets aroused does not mean he will become a rapist. If you get aroused seeing a naked lady, will you go rape her? If you drink, will you go rape ? If you watch porn, will you rape? No you will NOT, unless you are capable of rape, unless you are a psychopath. Please think, before you try to justify something.

 

[palindrome]

If you make your own conclusions from my post , I am sorry, i can't help it.
I did not justify clothing as a reason for rape, i only said, a decently dressed up women stands a better chance of escaping from a rapist.

How will a decently dressed woman escape? Please elaborate.

 

[P.J.]

Getting aroused is different from raping. Arousal is a normal biological phenomenon. Rape is different. Just because a man gets aroused does not mean he will become a rapist. If you get aroused seeing a naked lady, will you go rape her? If you drink, will you go rape ? If you watch porn, will you rape? No you will NOT, unless you are capable of rape, unless you are a psychopath. Please think, before you try to justify something.

you go on assuming so many things from my post, sorry, it is enough,.

 

[P.J.]

How will a decently dressed woman escape? Please elaborate.

Ha ha.. here comes another riddle... well well .. All i said is that there is chance for escaping!!

OK hold your opinion and i am not going to change my view also.

 

[renuka]

For information, a compromise may be reached in the maharashtra mannequin-lingerie issue. Dummies facing the street will be clad in respectable clothes, and lingerie clad mannequins will be inside the shop in the lingerie section. Only men accompanying their girl friends/ wives, and boys tagging along with their mothers will get a chance to view.

Dear Sarang ji,

Out here shops can be fined if they let mannequins be nude.

Sometimes shop owners let mannequins be nude before putting on new clothes and a shop owner can be fined for disrespecting the female image of the mannequin.

 

[renuka]

Renukaji

Victims are not to be blamed; In India, If a women wears revealing dress,some males repeat some males are aroused. That is the reason for Swimming pools in India have different timings for females and Males. It is not like US/UK and probably your Malaysia ( dont know )

Dear PJ sir,

Here we do not have separate timings for male and females even though we are a muslim country.

So both men and women swim together and some wear swimsuits,some wear bikini tops with shorts type of swimsuit, some wear a Burkhini(muslim woman wear this)...I seldom see Indian married women here swimming out here in pools.

Mostly they are there waiting for their husband and kids...but they keep staring seeing another Indian female in a swim suit!

Believe me no guys get turned on...when we dive underwater we can get a good view of everyone and Nope...guys are not turned on!

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri sarang Ji,

Are you mocking me?

Regards,
KRS

Brilliant logic; a unified theory to explain the phenomenon and the reasons.
Rape will not exist in an adwaitham world.

QED.

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri PJ Ji,

I thought you were going to retire for the night!

Regards,
KRS

Ha ha.. here comes another riddle... well well .. All i said is that there is chance for escaping!!

OK hold your opinion and i am not going to change my view also.

 

[palindrome]

Ha ha.. here comes another riddle... well well .. All i said is that there is chance for escaping!!

OK hold your opinion and i am not going to change my view also.

Whats so funny? Who is asking you to change your view? All you need to do is explain how a decently dressed woman gets a "chance" to escape. What do you mean by a "chance" for escaping? Means if a woman is Not 'properly' dressed she does Not get a "chance" to escape? So clothing is responsible for her rape? You can do better than laughing PJ. Looks like you are hiding a closet PJ by laughing ?

 

[palindrome]

Dear Sri PJ Ji,

There are not many reasons for rape. There are only two:

1. A rapist, (who is akin to a serial murderer), looking for an opportunity to prey
2. A prey who gives that opportunity

How does a woman escape from rape if she is conservatively dressed in India?

Regards,
KRS

After PJ wakes up )), wud like to see his answer to this.

 

[palindrome]

you go on assuming so many things from my post, sorry, it is enough,.

What have I assumed? Sorry, it is not enough. Am shocked folks like you are actually justifying reasons, which perverts give for rape. Again, please think about this -- if you get aroused seeing a naked lady, will you go rape her? If you drink, will you go rape ? If you watch porn, will you rape? No you will NOT, unless you are capable of rape, unless you are a psychopath. Please think, before you try to justify something. And I hope you understand the mind of a psychopath is different from normal men.

 

[praveen]

Topic closed as requested by OP. If someone wants it kept open for further discussions, please let me know.

 

[praveen]

The thread has been re-opened based on requests by other members.

 

[renuka]

The thread has been re-opened based on requests by other members.

Thanks Praveen,

So members can voice their opinions today or Reppu!


Reppu is telegu for tomorrow!

 

[amala]

Dear Renu it is actually spelt as TelUgu not Telegu. You have been writing as Telegu for years so just thought finally Iwill mention coz it bugs me when TelUgu is spelt as Telegu or Telengu or Telungu and trust me I've seen them all!

 

[prasad1]

Good by reopening it will give opportunity to answer some inconvenient questions posed by Palindromeji.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renu it is actually spelt as TelUgu not Telegu. You have been writing as Telegu for years so just thought finally Iwill mention coz it bugs me when TelUgu is spelt as Telegu or Telengu or Telungu and trust me I've seen them all!

Dear Amala,

Thanks.


I did not know this.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Amala,

How about Thelungu?