Indesent Dressing by Girls

[renuka]

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hi

my simple answer....yes.....any free show can use anybody...becoz its public property

TBS garu,

There is no such thing as public property...this feeling of violating a women walking nude on the road only comes if the women is not our own flesh and blood.

If she was our own flesh and blood any male would run and cover her up.

Going by that I am happy to say that some folks where I stay do not think like most men.

Once when I was working in a government hospital the police brought a woman in her early 30's who was walking fully nude in a famous red light area with drug addicts.

Apparently the sex workers and the male drug addicts saw her walking nude and rushed to cover her with a blanket and called the police.

The lady was finally diagnosed to be a schizophrenic having family problems cos her husband had left her.

So you see ..even sex workers and drug addicts had the heart to cover a woman walking nude instead of thinking she is a public property.

 

[palindrome]

hi

Originally Posted by palindrome

No advising. Please do not jump to conclusions. My question is very straightforward, so please reply --
If you find a woman naked, will you rape her?

my simple answer....yes.....any free show can use anybody...becoz its public property.....especially in india...even i heard that

a 5 yr gal was raped in delhi..............a 80 year old woman wad raped in tamil nadu....so the question is not the dress/age....

Simple answer Yes, means you will rape if you found a naked woman? Did I get that right? Please do not add stuff about 5 year old or 80 year old, am asking plain simple clarification here. And you will rape Because you think free show means anybody can use? Did I get that reasoning right?

 

[palindrome]

TBS garu,

There is no such thing as public property...this feeling of violating a women walking nude on the road only comes if the women is not our own flesh and blood.

If she was our own flesh and blood any male would run and cover her up.

Going by that I am happy to say that some folks where I stay do not think like most men.

Once when I was working in a government hospital the police brought a woman in her early 30's who was walking fully nude in a famous red light area with drug addicts.

Apparently the sex workers and the male drug addicts saw her walking nude and rushed to cover her with a blanket and called the police.

The lady was finally diagnosed to be a schizophrenic having family problems cos her husband had left her.

So you see ..even sex workers and drug addicts had the heart to cover a woman walking nude instead of thinking she is a public property.

Its not a matter of flesh and blood. If a man has it in him, he will do it. If he already did it, means he IS a psychopath. If he feels he will do it (as TBS says), means he IS a potential psychopath, a potential rapist. Well, so we have potential rapists here? Hmmm....Am disappointed really. The question I asked wud have made a (normal) man indignant, You wud expect a (normal) man to immediately refuse and say "no I wud not do it". But here PJ is trying to justify rape by way of clothing. Its shocking Renu (am very disappointed).

 

[P.J.]

In this issue, there are studies one way or the other. Am not asking about others. Am asking YOU. What will YOU do if you found a naked woman? Will YOU rape her? If you cannot bring yourself to do it, then why justify it for a rapist by way of clothing (or any other point) ? Please, can you see the difference? If YOU cannot rape (under any circumstance), please can you understand the mind of a rapist?

understand my view:

it is the fundamental right of a woman to dress up the way she wants. She also has the right to say 'no to sex'. Forcing sex on a woman is a legal offense.



Sexual assault is never the victim’s fault; And plenty of assaulted women are not dressed sexily, including women draped in head-to-toe burqas.
But there is less chance for a decently dressed up women targeted for rape than scantily dressed up one.

If you and me can not rape a naked women, that does not mean everyone will not; there are many Psycos who can.

All I am saying is that, A decently dressed up women has a less chance to be targeted than a women wearing revealing dress.
Dress alone can not give any guarantee against Rape, there are many other possible conditions which induces a Rapist to rape even 4 year old or 80 year old however they are covered.

 

[renuka]

I dont find anything wrong with Palindrome's question of "if you see a naked woman on the road..would you rape her?"

This is a self introspection question..it is not really blaming anyone here.

Many a times we ask friends who are married "are you 100% sure you can remain faithful to your spouse?"

The answers given:

1)Yes
2)I dont know
3)I will try my best
4)No

Self introspection questions like this sometimes help us understand ourselves better.

The answer does not matter but at least we need to know our true selves.

 

[P.J.]

Even after posting a detailed view, the same point is posted again and again.
What i do or do not is not the point here, the point is whether decently dressed up has a better chance of escaping from a Rapist than a scantily dressed up women.

Read my post 204 pl

 

[biswa]

In the western world it is not dress, but it is alcohol and drugs (usually taken by the woman). Hence the term date rape and date rape drug. So yes, there are multiple factors.

 

[P.J.]

In the western world it is not dress, but it is alcohol and drugs (usually taken by the woman). Hence the term date rape and date rape drug. So yes, there are multiple factors.

Biswa Sir

This post for Indian conditions; I agree with you regarding multiple factor, and even a fully dressed up women can get raped.
But my point is weraing revealing dress in India is inviting trouble even though a 4-80 year old are also raped as written here in some posts.
Reg US conditions , you may be right.

 

[renuka]

Quiz: Is he a possible rapist?

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri PJ Ji,

I think we are all conflating two things here: Rape and Dressing according to the norms of the society.

There is no evidence at all and no data point to suggest that dress has anything to do with rape. Rape involves opportunity. This means, any woman found in an opportune position by a rapist will get raped, irrespective of age, looks, dress etc., because it is not about the woman.

Attire has more to do with cultural norms and appropriateness. Here the woman decides. That's all.

It is simple.

Regards,
KRS

understand my view:

it is the fundamental right of a woman to dress up the way she wants. She also has the right to say 'no to sex'. Forcing sex on a woman is a legal offense.



Sexual assault is never the victim’s fault; And plenty of assaulted women are not dressed sexily, including women draped in head-to-toe burqas.
But there is less chance for a decently dressed up women targeted for rape than scantily dressed up one.

If you and me can not rape a naked women, that does not mean everyone will not; there are many Psycos who can.

All I am saying is that, A decently dressed up women has a less chance to be targeted than a women wearing revealing dress.
Dress alone can not give any guarantee against Rape, there are many other possible conditions which induces a Rapist to rape even 4 year old or 80 year old however they are covered.

 

[palindrome]

understand my view:

it is the fundamental right of a woman to dress up the way she wants. She also has the right to say 'no to sex'. Forcing sex on a woman is a legal offense.



Sexual assault is never the victim’s fault; And plenty of assaulted women are not dressed sexily, including women draped in head-to-toe burqas.
But there is less chance for a decently dressed up women targeted for rape than scantily dressed up one.

If you and me can not rape a naked women, that does not mean everyone will not; there are many Psycos who can.

All I am saying is that, A decently dressed up women has a less chance to be targeted than a women wearing revealing dress.
Dress alone can not give any guarantee against Rape, there are many other possible conditions which induces a Rapist to rape even 4 year old or 80 year old however they are covered.

The question is not about psychos. The question is WHY normal men like you get so evasive, instead of saying "NO I will not do it". A rapist is a psychopath. It does not happen due to clothes. Then WHY normal men like you justify rape by way of clothing ? Your are making self-contradictory statements. First you say "Sexual assault is never the victim’s fault; And plenty of assaulted women are not dressed sexily, including women draped in head-to-toe burqas". Then you say
"But there is less chance for a decently dressed up women targeted for rape than scantily dressed up one".

 

[renuka]

Rape involves opportunity. This means, any woman found in an opportune position by a rapist will get raped, irrespective of age, looks, dress etc., because it is not about the woman.

Well said...this is what all of us need to understand and assimilate.

 

[P.J.]

Dear Sri PJ Ji,

I think we are all conflating two things here: Rape and Dressing according to the norms of the society.

There is no evidence at all and no data point to suggest that dress has anything to do with rape. Rape involves opportunity. This means, any woman found in an opportune position by a rapist will get raped, irrespective of age, looks, dress etc., because it is not about the woman.

Attire has more to do with cultural norms and appropriateness. Here the woman decides. That's all.

It is simple.

Regards,
KRS

KRS Sir

I agree that there are many factors which causes rape; but a decently dressed up women stands a better chance of escaping than a women wearing reveling dress , especially in India.

 

[P.J.]

I have given a detailed view in my post no 198,

 

[P.J.]

There is no point repeating the same Views again and again.

 

[palindrome]

KRS Sir

I agree that there are many factors which causes rape; but a decently dressed up women stands a better chance of escaping than a women wearing reveling dress , especially in India.

So you are saying clothes are THE reason for rape in such cases. Rather than clothing women get raped IF they are easy (vulnerable) targets. Which is why dalit women used to get raped. Which is why women in tatters on the streets is vulnerable to sexual predators. A fully clothed woman can get raped if she is an easy target. Now the question is why are YOU justifying clothes as a reason for rape.

 

[palindrome]

Quiz: Is he a possible rapist?

Looks like mothers of some posters here need to take that quiz. Well, am amazed. TBS said yes (his reason is any free show can be used by anybody). Gawd, its shocking, there are closet psychopaths here...

 

[renuka]

KRS Sir

I agree that there are many factors which causes rape; but a decently dressed up women stands a better chance of escaping than a women wearing reveling dress , especially in India.

Dear PJ sir,


Are we admitting here that the average Indian male is a Predator or a potential Predator and nothing can be done to stop him?

You know the Indian male knows he can get away with it cos laws are lax...out here rapist are dealt with very seriously and even in prison itself the other inmates bash up rapist badly so they know rape is a serious matter here.

Here no one dare blame women etc cos the NGO's are strong here and so are the female ministers.
They will not tolerate anyone blaming women.

But in India..all everyone does is play the blame game..women in power themselves run down fellow women and do not have any sympathy for rape victims.

So its actually a sad scenario..now I guess Indian males better watch out cos they seem to be Adharmic and so they might actually be in the Kalki Avatars list when He comes to uphold Dharma.

Now I know why Avatars are only born in India..cos we Indians need the most rectifying!

 

[P.J.]

So you are saying clothes are THE reason for rape in such cases. Rather than clothing women get raped IF they are easy (vulnerable) targets. Which is why dalit women used to get raped. Which is why women in tatters on the streets is vulnerable to sexual predators. A fully clothed woman can get raped if she is an easy target. Now the question is why are YOU justifying clothes as a reason for rape.

I am not justifying that Clothing protects women from rapists, Please go through my post no 198 again.
Even a fully clothed up women can get raped, even a kid of 4 can get raped , so also older women.

Clothing alone is not a guarantee against Rapist, but s decently dressed up women stands a better chance of escaping from a rapist, repeat CHANCE of escaping, than a women wearing revealing Cloth.

If this is not clear, I do not know how i can explain it further.

 

[palindrome]

Dear PJ sir,


Are we admitting here that the average Indian male is a Predator or a potential Predator and nothing can be done to stop him?

You know the Indian male knows he can get away with it cos laws are lax...out here rapist are dealt with very seriously and even in prison itself the other inmates bash up rapist badly so they know rape is a serious matter here.

Here no one dare blame women etc cos the NGO's are strong here and so are the female ministers.
They will not tolerate anyone blaming women.

But in India..all everyone does is play the blame game..women in power themselves run down fellow women and do not have any sympathy for rape victims.

So its actually a sad scenario..now I guess Indian males better watch out cos they seem to be Adharmic and so they might actually be in the Kalki Avatars list when He comes to uphold Dharma.

Now I know why Avatars are only born in India..cos we Indians need the most rectifying!

Oh some people can create a rapist god, justify it, and make rape part of their dharma. So adharma problem is solved.

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri PJ Ji,

There are not many reasons for rape. There are only two:

1. A rapist, (who is akin to a serial murderer), looking for an opportunity to prey
2. A prey who gives that opportunity

How does a woman escape from rape if she is conservatively dressed in India?

Regards,
KRS

KRS Sir

I agree that there are many factors which causes rape; but a decently dressed up women stands a better chance of escaping than a women wearing reveling dress , especially in India.

 

[P.J.]

KRS Sir

No answer to your question

It is late here, Good night.

 

[palindrome]

I am not justifying that Clothing protects women from rapists, Please go through my post no 198 again.
Even a fully clothed up women can get raped, even a kid of 4 can get raped , so also older women.

Clothing alone is not a guarantee against Rapist, but s decently dressed up women stands a better chance of escaping from a rapist, repeat CHANCE of escaping, than a women wearing revealing Cloth.

If this is not clear, I do not know how i can explain it further.

Yes I went thru post 198. A news-report from Guyana and wikihow is not proof of any sort. You just want to justify clothing is a reason for rape. If you are a normal man, I can only suggest to you, please do not associate rape with clothing or justify clothing as means or a reason for rape. If you cannot rape a naked women, then please think what sort of a man wud do it.

 

[renuka]

, but a decently dressed up women stands a better chance of escaping from a rapist, repeat CHANCE of escaping, than a women wearing revealing Cloth.

Dear PJ sir,


I will give a simple example:


Just say a lion is waiting in the bushes hoping to catch a prey.

He sees a herd of wilder beasts.

For him everyone is just a wilder beast.

He then plans an attack..to catch the one that strays from the herd or the one who is young and inexperienced about safety or the one with an injury that renders it not able to run fast.


Ok now the same scenario is with a rapist.

He has his desire for violent sex..he must get it fulfilled.

He sees a crowd where lots of women are there too..some dress scanty..some dress covered..

That does not matter to him..all he wants is Violent act of rape...

He scans around..looks for a victim he feels is most vulnerable ...the girl who is standing alone or who is walking alone in some alley or someone who walks to her carpark in the basement alone.

What she wears does NOT matter.

He is only concerned what lies beneath the dress..to provide him an outlet for his twisted desire.


I hope I am clear.

In India people are made to believe that clothing attracts males to misbehave cos this is just a tactic employed by the offender to blame the women..cos the general Indian mindset is trained to think that a true hot blooded male should be easily sexually aroused.

So by shifting the blame to the women...the offender is let off the hook cos there is a new 'criminal' now...the new 'criminal" is the women and everyone joins in and blames her instead of the actual criminal.

 

[sarang]

Brilliant logic; a unified theory to explain the phenomenon and the reasons.
Rape will not exist in an adwaitham world.

QED.

Dear Sri PJ Ji,

There are not many reasons for rape. There are only two:

1. A rapist, (who is akin to a serial murderer), looking for an opportunity to prey
2. A prey who gives that opportunity

How does a woman escape from rape if she is conservatively dressed in India?

Regards,
KRS