India’s Rape Crisis Undermines the Country

[zebra16]

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the reason tourists flock warm weather places, and that too only in the winter when it is negative celsius here for months, is to have a touch of the sun on the skin. nothing more. nothing less. this i have to tell you, because i also go to warm weather places in the winter, and it is definitely not to get sexually aroused

One who is living in real India and one who has not emigrated to the Western world and who sees India without pink glasses and also who does not depend on Neeya-Naana episodes to form opinion about tourists is very much aware of the hippie culture that these warm weather seeking tourists brought to India in the 1970s and their unbridled debauchery, decadence and "High" social and cultural values.

Add to that. the sex orgy indulged in by the followers of Rajneesh in the ashram at Pune, much is known about at least of some of the requirements of these warm weather seeking white tourists.

And one has to have a mere glance at the crime records of various police stations in urban India to know about the pedophilia tendencies of some of the white tourists, a crime which is equal to, if not greater than, the rape which is being decried here. God only knows how many cases were swept under the carpet by the country because of their need for U S $$$$$$$$ and the greedy police and politicians.

In this forum it has to be admitted that all the perversions by white men (and women) are all by a fringe section of the white race, whereas the whole of Indian male population is a supporter of rape or they are rape apologists !!!!!!!

 

[sangom]

social stigma? what is it? here the law is on the side of the victim, only recently. till then, the woman was humiliated in the courts by the lawyers, who first challenged her intentions, her appearance, her dress, and above all her state of mind (read consent). sounds familiar? all this has changed very recently, and that too is very shaky because there are always powerful men, even here, who would assault females, and try to get away with it.

Thank you dear K, for saying that the "emperor was not clothed till recently" and that sexual assaults are happening even at present, in western countries.

i agree a sexual assault case is all biased against the woman. her privacy is invaded, and she has to be examined by strange doctors who give affadavits in the court. she is damaged mentally for life, and most of these victims, are so scared of men, that their future life is ruined. most of them need psychiatric help to even get sense of living. these have a resultant high rate of drug abuse and alcoholism, in addition to have lost the ability to trust and love women. so the doctors will certifiy to such a horrid state for good 'fees'? why would any woman want to do that?

This possibly shows that you are far away from the reality that is India today. Here, even post-mortem reports can be manipulated and a woman who was found to be raped (spermatazoa found in the dead person's vagina) can subsequently be certified as "not raped" by manipulation of post-mortem analysis at the laboratory register itself. (Incidentally, one of the persons accused now of this crime is a Tabra woman analyst!) I feel, therefore, that the doctors here may not be much different.

Secondly, today, a medical seat costs not less than a crore of rupees. A doctor coming out of such prohibitively costly education will only look for the surest and the quickest ways to get back the crores he had to spend, to get his degrees and postgraduation. That is the truth. The 'Hippocratic' oath comes secondary.

i dont know about rape-decriers, but i certainly find not only inconsistencies in your post, but most of it, especially regarding western society is all a figment of imagination. society here is on the whole, more fair. i would say on the whole. still flawed, but not wholesale, when it comes to female sexual assault. oh yes, there are incidents of male assault too - teenage boys by their teachers. dont know if the boys loved it, but the complaints usually came from the mother of the boys.

'Society here' - in India too - is equally fair but that does not mean everything must be copied - to the dot - from the west. We have certain drawbacks and all people who are law-abiding will have to understand those draw-backs and behave accordingly. It is futile to expect an India of your imagination, taking shape, overnight. Kindly also see my post here. It may give you a fuller idea as to what I mean.

sangom, you appear to know so much american sociology - casual sex, one night stand etc are very common here hate to disappoint you sir. these may exist, but no more than in many other countries including india. our middle class morality, in india, does a better job of cover up (pun intended here) and we are very comfortable having double values.

I do agree. That 'job of cover up' takes care of the (sexual) needs of the newly created middle class but not the vast numbers in "Bharat". That this large percentage of Indians has been completely forgotten is at the very base of the present spurt in rapes across the length and breadth of this country.

i think you misunderstood, about anyone want to come to anyone's standards. what we want is for women folk to be protected from assault, same as menfolk insist that they be protected from pickpocket, murder and battery. women would like equal protection to their bodies, and because as a rule, they are weaker than the men, they need the support of the forces of law and order, and justice, to ensure their safety - if it cannot be done through education, let it be done through fear of tough punishment.

The present Indian population must be > 120 crores and roughly there are 60 crore women. The number of rape cases is very small compared to this. It shows that, by and large, our female folk know how to safeguard themselves from rape. Exceptions happen when some female does not bother about the social realities around her, and wishes that the society gets changed according to her will and desire. This is the root problem, Kunjuppu.

No one will want any rape to take place but simply because the western countries have become good boys yesterday, kindly don't go on drumming up the "rape crisis" and that too just within this forum; it is a futile effort. Instead, if you people are genuinely serious about it, find funds and institute an annual award (may be a rolling Trophy) for the (indian)state without any rape and award it with due global publicity. Perhaps that may prove a good incentive to the state governments here. Are our PIOs ready for such an effort or is it the intention to make only preaching from the pulpit - to the 'sinners'?

 

[C RAVI]

Dear Ravi,


I did not see any post where any member listed the names of those who are supposed to be Rape Apologist?

Why you perasan ah?

I am talking Malay Chinese Style here...it means "Why do you feel people are talking about you..unless the shoe fits".....sorry shoe is Videshi style...Deshi style will be "unless the Komanam fits"

Who said I take it personally on me only?? I suggest you to think on your own without allowing yourself to succumb to the mind storms of your courtiers

 

[renuka]

Who said I take it personally on me only?? I suggest you to think on your own without allowing yourself to succumb to the mind storms of your courtiers

Dear Ravi,

I have done some editing to the post..so here you have quoted my pre edited post..my edited post is:

Dear Ravi,


I did not see any post where any member listed the names of those who are supposed to be Rape Apologist?

Why you perasan ah?

I am talking Malay Chinese Style here...it means "Why do you feel people are talking about you..unless... if the shoe fits".....sorry shoe is Videshi style...Deshi style will be Tarhi Kaupeenam upayuktah (if the Komanam fits)

O' Ravi..how right you are...

The mind is as unsteady as the waves in the ocean..the waves produced by the mind storm of the courtiers of the world...when will I reach the state where the multitude of waves cease to exist??

When ?? When??

You and I both do not know??

So till then don't think as if your mind is not influenced by your courtiers.

 

[sangom]

Shri Sangom,


The irony is, members in opposite camp here is not giving any attention specifically to what you and me have said so far, in some or the other way. The above highlighted para in your post is the ground reality in India. But, ironically a member is finding us as carbon dated folks of by gone era and trying to ascertain one self as the most updated current century human...LOL!!! Over and above we were found to be rape apologists and that's been unanimously agreed upon by a member too..LOL!!!



As far as unsafe cities in US is concerned, I got many such info from my relatives and friends from different areas of USA. Last year one of my friends in Chicago shared a link with me during our chat communication. The link lists out top 10 worst cities in USA where burglary, theft, assault, rape cases often takes place.

Here is the link - Top Ten Worst Cities in USA |


10 - Memphis - 4 assault cases, 58 motor vehicle theft cases, 75 rape cases, 3 burglary cases, 25 murder cases and 6 robbery cases.

09 - Jackson - The stats show that Jackson is the home to around 192 assault cases, 24 robbery cases, 6 murder cases, 27 motor vehicle theft cases,
2 burglary cases and 23 rape cases at the moment that happen in a day. It is also included in the top 100 criminal cities on the world map.

08 - Cleveland - Cleveland stats show that the people are facing around 8 burglary cases, 2 robbery cases, 10 motor vehicle theft cases, 3 rape cases, 19 murder cases and 118 assault cases on daily basis that make their lives worsen to live at the moment.

07 - Birmingham - Birmingham crime list of the day include around 44 assault cases, 5 burglary cases, 11 robbery cases, 40 motor vehicle theft cases, 7 rape cases and at least 7 murder cases.

06 - New Orleans - New Orleans stats show that the city is facing around 72 assault cases, 2 murder cases, 262 rape cases, 70 robbery cases, 40 burglary cases and 14 motor vehicle theft cases in a day.

05 - Flint - The stats of Flint show that the city authorities register 1 assault case, 13 murder cases, 9 rape cases, 60 motor vehicle theft cases, 16 robbery cases and at least 1 burglary cases (on average) in a day. Think twice before heading to Flint for a week or so.

04 - Detroit - The stats show that Detroit authorities register 3 assault cases, 8 murder cases, 3 motor vehicle theft cases, 169 rape cases, 8 robbery cases and 16 burglary cases in a day.

03 - Oakland - The city stats show registering 7 assault cases, 12 murder cases, 14 rape cases, 1 motor vehicle theft case, 3 robbery cases and burglary 116 cases in a day.

02 - St Louis - Stats show that the St. Louis is currently having 2 assault, 4 murder, 45 rape, 4 motor vehicle theft, 4 robbery and 13 burglary cases registered in a day.

01 - Camden - Current stats show that the city is having around 6 assault cases, 1 murder case, 8 rape cases, 8 motor vehicle theft cases, 1 robbery and 41 burglary cases in a day.

Dear Shri Ravi,

First of all, thanks for the additional info.

My son who is now a US citizen, is a well-balanced person, not because he is my son but I have found him so from very many instances right from his childhood. He likes US but is not unduly beholden so as not to tell us the realities there in a very matter-of-fact way. My first exposure to such unsafe areas within US cities came when one day my son was very late in reaching home and we could not contact him (in Detroit). It seems he had to sit late for finishing some work with a deadline and in his young-age confidence he took the shortcut through some forbidden area in Detroit to reach his home. A huge tree had been cut and placed across the road and he had to back his car, take a very round-about path which took a long time. He was happy that somehow he escaped mugging and robbery. It was then that he said that there are signboards stating "forbidden after 5 P.M.", "forbidden after 6 P.M.", etc., sign boards in different US cities and it is very unsafe to venture into those roads/areas after the prescribed time because, no police case will be registered even if one gets into trouble. Perhaps the rape cases under this category never get into official records.

Even in London where my second son stays, there was a locality which reminded me of our south indian agraharams. I remarked, in my foolishness, that he find out a residence in that locality. My son laughed and said that it is a rowdy centre. On another day when we went to an indian hotel in the street/road next to this agraharam, we found about 20 youth -including one or two females - all under intoxication, damaging the parked vehicles and making noise with some kind of drum, shouting expletives (I could decipher ba**ard, fu***ng, only.) and singing some music in between. Then my son did not stop his car, turned back and we came back home, prepared somethings to eat and had our dinner. It seems this rowdy activity had been increasing in that locality and women stood at greater risk because those people had the history of raping many women motorists by first blocking the road, dragging the driver out, taking her to their area and then raping her.

It therefore seems to me that in most developed countries also the incidence of rape is there and its root causes must be the same as in India. But a concerted brain-washing is sought to be made in the name of gender equality, women empowerment, etc.

While no man or no woman will justify any rape case, we in India feel sorry that some of our educated and intelligent girls fall victim to such a crime because of their lack of thoughtfulness or their misplaced courage, adventure-spirit, etc.

 

[prasad1]

Shri Sangom,


The irony is, members in opposite camp here is not giving any attention specifically to what you and me have said so far, in some or the other way. The above highlighted para in your post is the ground reality in India. But, ironically a member is finding us as carbon dated folks of by gone era and trying to ascertain one self as the most updated current century human...LOL!!! Over and above we were found to be rape apologists and that's been unanimously agreed upon by a member too..LOL!!!



As far as unsafe cities in US is concerned, I got many such info from my relatives and friends from different areas of USA. Last year one of my friends in Chicago shared a link with me during our chat communication. The link lists out top 10 worst cities in USA where burglary, theft, assault, rape cases often takes place.

Here is the link - Top Ten Worst Cities in USA |


10 - Memphis - 4 assault cases, 58 motor vehicle theft cases, 75 rape cases, 3 burglary cases, 25 murder cases and 6 robbery cases.

09 - Jackson - The stats show that Jackson is the home to around 192 assault cases, 24 robbery cases, 6 murder cases, 27 motor vehicle theft cases,
2 burglary cases and 23 rape cases at the moment that happen in a day. It is also included in the top 100 criminal cities on the world map.

08 - Cleveland - Cleveland stats show that the people are facing around 8 burglary cases, 2 robbery cases, 10 motor vehicle theft cases, 3 rape cases, 19 murder cases and 118 assault cases on daily basis that make their lives worsen to live at the moment.

07 - Birmingham - Birmingham crime list of the day include around 44 assault cases, 5 burglary cases, 11 robbery cases, 40 motor vehicle theft cases, 7 rape cases and at least 7 murder cases.

06 - New Orleans - New Orleans stats show that the city is facing around 72 assault cases, 2 murder cases, 262 rape cases, 70 robbery cases, 40 burglary cases and 14 motor vehicle theft cases in a day.

05 - Flint - The stats of Flint show that the city authorities register 1 assault case, 13 murder cases, 9 rape cases, 60 motor vehicle theft cases, 16 robbery cases and at least 1 burglary cases (on average) in a day. Think twice before heading to Flint for a week or so.

04 - Detroit - The stats show that Detroit authorities register 3 assault cases, 8 murder cases, 3 motor vehicle theft cases, 169 rape cases, 8 robbery cases and 16 burglary cases in a day.

03 - Oakland - The city stats show registering 7 assault cases, 12 murder cases, 14 rape cases, 1 motor vehicle theft case, 3 robbery cases and burglary 116 cases in a day.

02 - St Louis - Stats show that the St. Louis is currently having 2 assault, 4 murder, 45 rape, 4 motor vehicle theft, 4 robbery and 13 burglary cases registered in a day.

01 - Camden - Current stats show that the city is having around 6 assault cases, 1 murder case, 8 rape cases, 8 motor vehicle theft cases, 1 robbery and 41 burglary cases in a day.

You forget that in USA almost all crimes are reported, investigated, and prosecuted.
Can you justifiably say that about any other country?
Your arguments are becoming childish at best.
You can not compare a jeweler's scale to the subjiwala's taraju.

There is crime in the world, everyone understands that. But defending criminals because "he is poor", "he in uneducated", or was out of control are useless excuses. Crime should be eradicated, and criminal should be punished. That is the civilized society (may be you are an exception).

 

[prasad1]

Dear Shri Ravi,

First of all, thanks for the additional info.

My son who is now a US citizen, is a well-balanced person, not because he is my son but I have found him so from very many instances right from his childhood. He likes US but is not unduly beholden so as not to tell us the realities there in a very matter-of-fact way. My first exposure to such unsafe areas within US cities came when one day my son was very late in reaching home and we could not contact him (in Detroit). It seems he had to sit late for finishing some work with a deadline and in his young-age confidence he took the shortcut through some forbidden area in Detroit to reach his home. A huge tree had been cut and placed across the road and he had to back his car, take a very round-about path which took a long time. He was happy that somehow he escaped mugging and robbery. It was then that he said that there are signboards stating "forbidden after 5 P.M.", "forbidden after 6 P.M.", etc., sign boards in different US cities and it is very unsafe to venture into those roads/areas after the prescribed time because, no police case will be registered even if one gets into trouble. Perhaps the rape cases under this category never get into official records.

Even in London where my second son stays, there was a locality which reminded me of our south indian agraharams. I remarked, in my foolishness, that he find out a residence in that locality. My son laughed and said that it is a rowdy centre. On another day when we went to an indian hotel in the street/road next to this agraharam, we found about 20 youth -including one or two females - all under intoxication, damaging the parked vehicles and making noise with some kind of drum, shouting expletives (I could decipher ba**ard, fu***ng, only.) and singing some music in between. Then my son did not stop his car, turned back and we came back home, prepared somethings to eat and had our dinner. It seems this rowdy activity had been increasing in that locality and women stood at greater risk because those people had the history of raping many women motorists by first blocking the road, dragging the driver out, taking her to their area and then raping her.

It therefore seems to me that in most developed countries also the incidence of rape is there and its root causes must be the same as in India. But a concerted brain-washing is sought to be made in the name of gender equality, women empowerment, etc.

While no man or no woman will justify any rape case, we in India feel sorry that some of our educated and intelligent girls fall victim to such a crime because of their lack of thoughtfulness or their misplaced courage, adventure-spirit, etc.

I do not know the financial condition of your son who stays in USA.
Only the economically deprived stay in government projects, most of the well to do people including PIO's live in better neighborhoods.
Economically well to do people do not stay in Dharavi slums in Mumbai, they live in South Mumbai, juhu, Lower Parel, Mahalaxmi, Worli and Elphinstone. May be you should have a chat with your son.

 

[sangom]

You forget that in USA almost all crimes are reported, investigated, and prosecuted.
Can you justifiably say that about any other country?
Your arguments are becoming childish at best.
You can not compare a jeweler's scale to the subjiwala's taraju.

There is crime in the world, everyone understands that. But defending criminals because "he is poor", "he in uneducated", or was out of control are useless excuses. Crime should be eradicated, and criminal should be punished. That is the civilized society (may be you are an exception).

Reporting Rates

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Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 54% still being left unreported.1

Why Will Only 3 Out of Every 100 Rapists Serve Time?

The majority of sexual assault are not reported to the police (an average of 54% of assaults in the last five years were not reported). Those rapists, of course, will never spend a day in prison. But even when the crime is reported, it is unlike to lead to an arrest and prosecution. Factoring in unreported rapes, only about 3% of rapists will ever serve a day in prison.


Convictions
References

Justice Department, National Crime Victimization Survey: 2006-2010
FBI, Uniform Crime Reports: 2006-2010
National Center for Policy Analysis, Crime and Punishment in America, 1999
Department of Justice, Felony Defendents in Large Urban Counties: average of 2002-2006
Department of Justice, Felony Defendents in Large Urban Counties: average of 2002-2006

So much for the "civilized society"; I am reminded of the Malayalam proverb that the fellow with elephantiasis in one leg hides it in sand and makes fun of another!!

 

[Nara]

I had thought so far that you are a gentleman. But now I find that you are citing a portion of a full sentence from my post and twisting it to slander me. This does not behove an academic; your students also will be of the same, sly kind. FYI, my post said :

Dear Shri Sangom, I am very sorry and I offer my unconditional apology. By way of explanation rather than excuse -- I thought the context will not be missed as your entire post could be found very easily by clinking on the link automatically provided in the quoted text.

As for teaching morals to Indian youngsters, as you are surely very well aware, I think you will have to win them over through the force of your arguments and those arguments will have to withstand the counter arguments. I for one think the moral values you are trying to teach are antiquated at best and downright misogynistic at worst.

best, Dileepan

 

[zebra16]

You forget that in USA almost all crimes are reported, investigated, and prosecuted.
Can you justifiably say that about any other country?
Your arguments are becoming childish at best.
You can not compare a jeweler's scale to the subjiwala's taraju.

You miss the wood, the trees and the whole forest.

No amount of law enforcement can bring back the dignity of the raped victim. The law can punish the guilty and the society can provide restitution for the victim.

The need of the hour is prevention and how to have proper preventive checks and whether the intended victim could save herself better by adhering to what the society feels is normal dress code and normal civic sense in their area .

 

[Nara]

........The need of the hour is prevention and how to have proper preventive checks and whether the intended victim could save herself better by adhering to what the society feels is normal dress code and normal civic sense in their area .

This is great, we all need to teach men of all nationality not to rape, and not to blame rape victims. To make this into a contest of who is worst, is, dare I say, childish. ....

 

[prasad1]

You miss the wood, the trees and the whole forest.

No amount of law enforcement can bring back the dignity of the raped victim. The law can punish the guilty and the society can provide restitution for the victim.

The need of the hour is prevention and how to have proper preventive checks and whether the intended victim could save herself better by adhering to what the society feels is normal dress code and normal civic sense in their area .

Sir, I do not know, if you have followed this and other threads in this site.
Mr. K even posted a cartoon of reason for rape.
My post#73
http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/genera...e-crisis-undermines-country-8.html#post194827
was about a 10 year old. Please tell me what kind of precaution other than putting her in a cage, would you recommend.
I agree that women is damaged for life, the wounds are physical as well as psychological. We need to heal that wound with lot of understanding and empathy. Instead of blame and shame.

 

[kunjuppu]

for everyone here,

talk of males. we are careful where we go. but we have to go after dark. we walk carefully watching out for strangers. yet we get assaulted and robbed. except in the case of males, we do not get assaulted sexually (overwhelmingly so). except the female has this additional danger.

we would not blame ourselves as men, that we provoked the assault. right? we blame the criminal. why cannot we give the same level of benefit to the female? everything being equal, assuming she dresses safe, keeps safe hours etc etc. the rapist still stalks the female and assaults her.

it is a sickness. it is a criminal act. let us not blame the victim. no matter how careful the female is, if a rapist wants to assault a female, he is going to do it. because it is in his genes. she can be dressed in a burqa. and yet get raped. that is the fact.

 

[sangom]

Dear Shri Sangom, I am very sorry and I offer my unconditional apology. By way of explanation rather than excuse -- I thought the context will not be missed as your entire post could be found very easily by clinking on the link automatically provided in the quoted text.

As for teaching morals to Indian youngsters, as you are surely very well aware, I think you will have to win them over through the force of your arguments and those arguments will have to withstand the counter arguments. I for one think the moral values you are trying to teach are antiquated at best and downright misogynistic at worst.

best, Dileepan

Dear Shri Dileepan,

I am not at all teaching, or even attempting to teach any morals to anyone, let alone Indian youngsters. So I would like to know what all, in your view, are the moral values which you think I am trying to teach.

If you patiently read through this entire thread, you will find that the OP states as under:

"But I am sure some members in this site would not care as to what the world thinks. They are happy in their corner of the world. Then there are others buried their head too deep to see that world has passed them by."

What myself and perhaps a few others too, are trying to convey to the OP and other members is that, "yes, we have rapes here in India. But so do almost all countries including the US in which the thread starter lives. We are a backward (developing) country, beset with a whole host of problems in several fronts and are trying to find answers for all these issues in our own limited way, at our own best possible speed and as per our own best lights. So, this one problem (of rape) is not the most important for us. Kindly allow us our own time. (After all, if what Shri Kunjuppu states here is truth, even in the west :

"...here the law is on the side of the victim, only recently. till then, the woman was humiliated in the courts by the lawyers, who first challenged her intentions, her appearance, her dress, and above all her state of mind (read consent). sounds familiar? all this has changed very recently, and that too is very shaky because there are always powerful men, even here, who would assault females, and try to get away with it."

So, why such an unholy hurry when it comes to the case of India? Also, consider that 99.9% of our females, totalling more than 60 crores (600 billion - double of the 300 million total population of the US) are living unraped and without getting into a rapeable situation by adhering to certain precautions; why is it that only in some cases such precautions are thrown to the winds?

These are the kinds of thoughts which I am trying to point out here. If these appear as "moral teachings" then I don't know what to call the real moral teachings like mātṛ devo bhava, pitṛ devo bhava, etc?

 

[C RAVI]

You forget that in USA almost all crimes are reported, investigated, and prosecuted.
Can you justifiably say that about any other country?
Your arguments are becoming childish at best.
You can not compare a jeweler's scale to the subjiwala's taraju.

There is crime in the world, everyone understands that. But defending criminals because "he is poor", "he in uneducated", or was out of control are useless excuses. Crime should be eradicated, and criminal should be punished. That is the civilized society (may be you are an exception).

Post no.108 by Shri Sangom and Post no.110 by Shri Zebra can clearly reflects whose statements are childish.

Across the Globe, rapist are legally taken to task and no one support a rapist except among the rapists, probably. Try to understand the context of the posts here though they are not from the members who are presenting different views. The different views from members like me does not blame "All" the rape victims as well.

We expect you to understand at least considering your age and life time experiences, that, we are not "defending" rapist and justifying their act. Just to devalue other's views, it is not healthy to derive a false conclusion (or deliberately, if at all you really could understand what we are saying) and make false accusation.

 

[prasad1]

Post no.108 by Shri Sangom and Post no.110 by Shri Zebra can clearly reflects whose statements are childish.

Across the Globe, rapist are legally taken to task and no one support a rapist except among the rapists, probably. Try to understand the context of the posts here though they are not from the members who are presenting different views. The different views from members like me does not blame "All" the rape victims as well.

We expect you to understand at least considering your age and life time experiences, that, we are not "defending" rapist and justifying their act. Just to devalue other's views, it is not healthy to derive a false conclusion (or deliberately, if at all you really could understand what we are saying) and make false accusation.

You do not understand that simply giving excuses for rape you defending rapist. It is rapist argument that he got aroused, put cold water, but attacking a women is not justified.
Your comment that women should be careful is true of all victims of violence. Why single out women for her dress?

 

[Govinda]

Dear Sangom ji,

I politely beg to differ...this topic does not = to soft porn for members both desi or videshi.

For that we have the Komanam Thread!LOL

Renuka M'am,

But, I was wondering about the same. I have a doubt that links both threads.

And the question, why can't men sport the tight underwears or komanam in public? You know what the Women
rights association and the govt. laws would do!

But, it should not be distracting to see all the tight-top indian girls photos in the web and in public. Where is the EQUALITY!?

 

[C RAVI]

This is great, we all need to teach men of all nationality not to rape, and not to blame rape victims. To make this into a contest of who is worst, is, dare I say, childish. ....

Shri Nara,


Do you think that, across the globe men are suggested, advised, motivated to rape a girl, by parents at home, by the public in society, by law & order and that's why rapes are taking place every where?

Or, do you think that, educating all men (including teenagers as teenagers are also indulging in rape/group rape) from all strata of society by a unique revolutionary campaign can stop rapes for ever?

Do you think by such revolutionary education, women can be totally liberated to expose what ever they want to any extent and they would be totally safe from teenagers to adults?


We all know and we have repeatedly stated as well that, here are many many rape cases where dressing, age and health condition of the females didn't matter at all.



If you ask me for the possible solutions for the sake of Indians in India (because the thread is meant to point out the issue in India), I would list out the following, as the MUST, other than the need of modest dressing -

1) Block all the pornography sites in India
2) Stop all the Phone Sex Services in India
3) Stop showing Adult Sex Movies in Cinemas


The above can help to some extent, I feel.




Shri Nara,

Here we are not trying to establish who is worst. We are not trying to conclude if Rapists are Worst or if exposing females in skimpy dressing are the worst.

The rape issue is a serious issue and females are the most effected. Considering the countries like India where population, poverty and corruption are all at its peak, important safety measures need to be identified and adhered to and that certainly included some responsibility in dressing and limitations in one's whims and fancy in choosing the place and the time.


This certainly and necessarily does not call for caging the females at home.


PS. anyone who wants to counter the above post, kindly do so quoting/considering the whole post that is meant to derive a specific conclusion.

 

[C RAVI]

Renuka M'am,

But, I was wondering about the same. I have a doubt that links both threads.

And the question, why can't men sport the tight underwears or komanam in public? You know what the Women
rights association and the govt. laws would do!

But, it should not be distracting to see all the tight-top indian girls photos in the web and in public. Where is the EQUALITY!?

In Dubai, Ladies can expose to any extent they want (except in Ramadan month when they are requested and expected to dress modestly, that too only in Malls) BUT a guy can not come out on the roads folding his Lungi/Veshti, any time. LOL!!

4 years before, one of my Tamilain room mate, being in thoughts suddenly folded his Veshti near our Appartment. Accidentally a police patrol vehicle passed by, the police man noticed him and asked him to put the Veshti down and warned him not to fold ever in future.

 

[amala]

Maybe because men with folded veshti and lungi look disgustingly ugly and are sight for sore eyes lol. many other Indian communities tease the folded veshti custom

 

[Govinda]

Amala,What are you suggesting ? komana aandi with clean legs?

 

[renuka]

Renuka M'am,

But, I was wondering about the same. I have a doubt that links both threads.

And the question, why can't men sport the tight underwears or komanam in public? You know what the Women
rights association and the govt. laws would do!

But, it should not be distracting to see all the tight-top indian girls photos in the web and in public. Where is the EQUALITY!?

Dear Govinda ji,


I have no problems if a man wants to wear tight underwear or Komanam in public after getting a Sarvangam!

Really..I mean it...after all it is just a human body!

In fact when I see movies or song videos depicting man in tight animal print underwear wiggling in sync to "I'm sexy and I know it" I feel its good that man are also getting sexy and are also doing their seva to mankind!

It has been wrongly diagnosed that women are only after the emotional side of man and get turned off by a male's body but new studies shows that females are equally visual creatures..like males.

BTW Govinda Ji..in a way you asked this question to the wrong person..in my line of job..there is nothing which I have not seen and all the types of underwear too.But so far no patient wore a Komanam yet under his clothes.

Govinda ji...BTW some of our religious text too describe female goddesses and females in the ever so erotic manner..like 'her Payodhara were globular and heavy like the frontal protuberance of an elephant and her back was bent forward owing to its weight"..

So Govinda ji...so when you see any female with tight fitting tops..may be you can get reminded of some Purana stories!LOL

 

[Nara]

Think about this ...

 

[sangom]

In Dubai, Ladies can expose to any extent they want (except in Ramadan month when they are requested and expected to dress modestly, that too only in Malls) BUT a guy can not come out on the roads folding his Lungi/Veshti, any time. LOL!!

4 years before, one of my Tamilain room mate, being in thoughts suddenly folded his Veshti near our Appartment. Accidentally a police patrol vehicle passed by, the police man noticed him and asked him to put the Veshti down and warned him not to fold ever in future.

Dear Ravi,

Going by the views of our more civilized and enlightened members, and applying equality for both genders, we should teach the Dubai police not to repeat such "mistake" and males should have the freedom to wear whatever they want (including a kOmaNam only) and go wherever they want and at whatever time they want. We should not blame the man, just as we should not blame the rape victims.

And, according to one member it is better to be living in hell than in Dubai where men cannot dress as they want!!

 

[ShivKC]

theodor w adorno defined what would be later called "blaming the victim," as "one of the most sinister features of the Fascist character.
"she was asking for it", is what the people of the opposite side would say..

trespassing a house is a crime, which every one knows. yet, do we leave our house doors unbolted, why?

rapist is an animal.. its a mental disorder, contracted by only few. And its for us to take precautions against such animals.why voluntarily fall a prey to an animal.Majority of the rapes happen at the instant, very few cases of plot-to-rape, so why not avoid falling victim to such instincts.

can we walk in the night to a reserved forest, and ask the tiger to stay away us, cos, we also have an equal right to have a holiday totter in the forest? Come into my parlor, said the spider to the fly!!

must there be a middle path, where , being modest , makes sense. ie, avoid being vulnerable.. the book of law of being modest, is written by no body else, never ever by an Arab police, but, by each individuals