India never had it so bad

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India?s never had it so bad | Business Line

The Brussels-based European Commission Standing Committee on Global Foreign Direct Investments last week listed the top 20 destinations the EU 27 will target for the next five years. Sadly, but for well-known reasons, India does not figure in the list. Stocks of European Union direct investments to the rest of the world amounted to €5.6 trillion at the end of 2012 and the EU continues to have a fixation with China. As for India, senior EU officials noted with quite a bit of scepticism: “India is probably getting there, but not quite arrived”.
An editorial in the highly circulated German national newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeinescreamed: “India has never had it so bad. Stealing in government has never been this brazen. Government officials are now so audacious in their corrupt practices that they do not give a damn about who is watching”.
“Supreme Court directives are routinely flouted. Crime rates are up and security of life including women’s safety, which is the first responsibility of every government, is at its lowest ebb. India must then be more than qualified to be called a failed state.” In the Manager magazine, one of Germany’s leading glossy business journals, an article said: “Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has a natural inclination to be a follower, not a leader. ”
[h=3]DESPAIR AND HOPELESSNESS[/h]The article states, “India is a country where merit and integrity have no value and the country continues to sink beneath the suffocating weight of mediocrity and unrestrained, rampant greed. The majority of citizens feel excluded and disrespected at all levels of their daily lives. The youth of the country that make majority of the populace clearly feel helpless and many are pushed to take to misdemeanour and crime.”
[h=3]FAILURE OF GOVERNANCE[/h]Der Spiegel wrote in an edit article recently: “While the main functions of the parliament are to make laws and hold the executive accountable through oversight, Indian lawmakers make very few laws, pass incompetent motions and engage in rampant disruption of the proceedings.” The German business newspaper Handelsblatt wrote: “For India, it seems clear that the hope of becoming one of the best twenty economies in the world will only remain a daydream. Corruption is the bane of the society. The Government knows this and the crusade against corruption is being handled with kid gloves.”
(The author is former Europe Director, CII, and lives in Cologne, Germany.)
(This article was published on September 4, 2013)

 

[Brahmanyan]

Dear Sri "tks",

Indeed India never had it so bad.
The Article in Business Line, reflects the present condition of Governance of this great Country correctly. We are in an unenviable rut. Every thing concerning our Country is in lowest level of parameter. Look around us we will understand the reality. This Government has the magic of "Midas Touch", what ever they touch ends up in corruption and scams !
The last paragraph of the article sums up the situation correctly.

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[sangom]

Worse things are yet to come, I feel, and so the saying "This too shall pass!" applies for this also.

 

[biswa]

Come on! RBI governor has brought the INR up to 63 per USD and engineered a 727 point jump in the Sensex.

Like they say: It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

Optimism, fellow Indians and fellows of Indian origin.

 

[vgane]

Days of doom and gloom are getting over...Modi (For now, may be someone else later)) is coming to clean the Augean stables...Not an easy task...But we Indians are always filled with eternal hope!

 

[mkrishna100]

The article states, “India is a country where merit and integrity have no value and the country continues to sink beneath the suffocating weight of mediocrity and unrestrained, rampant greed. The majority of citizens feel excluded and disrespected at all levels of their daily lives. The youth of the country that make majority of the populace clearly feel helpless and many are pushed to take to misdemeanour and crime.”

That sums it up well . Expecting Modi ,Bedi,Kirmani to do an overnite magic to wipe off our ills will not work . A collective effort from all sections of society is needed to improve our situation .

 

[sangom]

That sums it up well . Expecting Modi ,Bedi,Kirmani to do an overnite magic to wipe off our ills will not work . A collective effort from all sections of society is needed to improve our situation .

The situation now is that the GOI views "development" only in terms of stock/share market levels, indices and movements; this is what foreign capital also takes as an indicator for itself to come in, make as much profit as quickly as possible and then withdraw without any tax, etc. The rupee value is only a reflection of this phenomenon plus, what our own black-money wallahs do to increase their hoarded caches by making more money and stash it abroad. Thus India is now an open field for plunder by such vested interests, and nothing more; it will soon become a "basket case" if it has not already become one.

The common man has practically disappeared from the view of the governments (Centre and most of the states). Indians were singularly naive and unlucky to make any "collective effort" to improve themselves as a morally upright and a disciplined, hard working people during the 45 years when Nehruvian socialism guided our country's policies and the people mattered most in the design of government policies.
Today, even the government employee (forget about private sector) cannot be sure of any pension after retirement. Even those moneys are most likely to disappear from the 'market' and the employees will have to eventually go home without even one rupee as pension.

No amount of optimism will work now and even God (let alone Modi) will be able to change from the wrong track along which we have moved very far.

 

[biswa]

Sangom sir with due respect,

pensions are dead, not only in India but all over the world. And Nehruvian socialism is extinct.

Since you mention God, he must have played a part in bringing India to where it is now, and surely he can bring the nation up again, if he so wills.

 

[prasad1]

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[tks]

There is a way ...

While it is hard to be optimistic without seeing the emergence of a viable leader the facts if analyzed dispassionately provide a case for hope. India's economy can be turned around because steps required can be easily understood (though not easy).

In the video by Dr Swamy I posted elsewhere he outlines a few actions that can restore the economy for all Indians.

India has to deliver life sentence of seriously corrupt people that are in positions of influence. The looted money in Swiss Bank is enormous and there are ways of bringing them back. India has tremendous natural resources and brain power in its people. A few simple actions can unleash the full power of all Indians. All this is doable under a right leadership.

Those that denigrate India, those that put down their ancestors, those that promote conversion and those that put down the poor of India ought to be ostracized.

Let us hope a new leader emerges ...

 

[sangom]

Sangom sir with due respect,

pensions are dead, not only in India but all over the world. And Nehruvian socialism is extinct.

Since you mention God, he must have played a part in bringing India to where it is now, and surely he can bring the nation up again, if he so wills.

Shri Biswa,

I know Nehruvian socialism is not there now but is it dead?

Pensions are still there for a part of the government employees - who are still alive - in India even now and that is what makes the actions of the UPA government of today, very discriminatory. An average government employee (who is otherwise a good person) now concentrates more on "extra income" during his service, as a substitute for pension and this increases corruption and black money in the system, further.

I mentioned God to emphasize that Modi or anyone else for that matter will fail at the national level. I don't think God plays any part in this Jagat; he is just a mooka saakshi. What activates all these shows is Karma. The Karma of most Indians in the past has brought us into this sorry pass and unless the Karma of the present lot changes radically, there is little hope of the nation coming up again. This may be unacceptable and bitter but truth is mostly so - like the raw Aamla, bitter at first but sweet later on.

 

[mkrishna100]

The Karma of most Indians in the past has brought us into this sorry pass and unless the Karma of the present lot changes radically, there is little hope of the nation coming up again. This may be unacceptable and bitter but truth is mostly so - like the raw Aamla, bitter at first but sweet later on.

Yes and for that Indian should move away from the quik fixes and superficial approach to any thing in any field .

 

[tks]

Shri Biswa,

I know Nehruvian socialism is not there now but is it dead?

Pensions are still there for a part of the government employees - who are still alive - in India even now and that is what makes the actions of the UPA government of today, very discriminatory. An average government employee (who is otherwise a good person) now concentrates more on "extra income" during his service, as a substitute for pension and this increases corruption and black money in the system, further.

I mentioned God to emphasize that Modi or anyone else for that matter will fail at the national level. I don't think God plays any part in this Jagat; he is just a mooka saakshi. What activates all these shows is Karma. The Karma of most Indians in the past has brought us into this sorry pass and unless the Karma of the present lot changes radically, there is little hope of the nation coming up again. This may be unacceptable and bitter but truth is mostly so - like the raw Aamla, bitter at first but sweet later on.

This "Karma of Indians" is not a measurable entity and is purely a model in our mind.
There are no such thing as quick fixes for anything worthwhile in life.

As someone who visits India once in a while (every year or other year) I tend to notice progress (and decay) which are often significant. The unstructured society is getting the worst of it all but there are still improvements for middle and lower middle class despite the enormous amount of corruption in all walks of life.

The issues affecting ordinary people are growing exponentially (like the falling value of Rupees) and the better news in my view is that the root causes are few only. For example the looted wealth from swiss banks is astronomical in some estimates. Even if one can bring back 30% of that, the wealth of India will rise significantly.

Hinduism is often described as 'a way of life'. Unfortunately corruption at all levels has become a way of life. It is sustained not by a small percentage of crooks relatively speaking but by vast majority of silent participants who go along with the system.

It is like cancer and spreading but it needs a Chemo therapy. It may be painful but there is a good probability of emerging with a better and more prosperous nation- like how some people get fully cured of certain types of cancer today.

The transformation may take a decade or so but it is not impossible to happen.
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Now let me throw a bit of controversy here with this thought.

I dont care fpr responses from fundamentalist who are allergic to words like Brahmins etc.

Beyond corruption there has been systematic destruction of the teaching class - one that is ready to sacrifice material pleasures and ignore human need for power solely for the purposes of betterment of others by teaching & learning. Such people belong to families that emphasized generational sacrifices.

Many of those calling themselves Brahmins *by birth only* do not qualify for the above description.

There were many Brahmins and Non Brahmins that adopted a lifestyle of sacrifice as a way of life. There are many who still exist today who are worthy of respect in my view . But the modern society has systematically destroyed such people.

This is like someone whose brain is damaged and is not able to think to pull themselves out of a bad situation.

The country is also causing enormous pain to all beings - not only cows but every imaginable creatures. India has progressed in the area of causing harm.

Human beings are the only species that like to drink the milk of another species. It is being done at the expense of enormous pain to all cows who are treated to life of pain.

The nation is not just into corruption as a way of life but has become champions to hurt truly learned people (something that is not happening in the west) and to inflict pain to animals such as cows (aping the west in the process).

If the Karma model has any usefulness the above activities have to be deemed as Papa Karma done by the society.

PS: While I do not want to derail the discussion to another topic let me say that the latest research shows that human beings do not need cows milk to lead a healthy life. I am paraphrasing a bit too much . The reason I am sharing the link below is that boycotting the purchase of unnecessary milk is one way to stop cruelty in a small manner contributing to less papa karma of the society.


https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=prescriptions-for-three-glasses-of-low-fat-milk-a-day-should-be-scaled-back

 

[sangom]

This "Karma of Indians" is not a measurable entity and is purely a model in our mind.
There are no such thing as quick fixes for anything worthwhile in life.

As someone who visits India once in a while (every year or other year) I tend to notice progress (and decay) which often are significant. The unstructured society is getting the worst of it all but there are still improvements for middle and lower middle class despite the enormous amount of corruption in all walks of life.

The issues are affecting ordinary people are growing exponentially (like the falling value of Rupees) the better news in my view is that the root causes are few only. For example the looted wealth from swiss banks is astronomical in some estimates. Even if one can bring back 30% of that the wealth of nation will rise significantly.

Hinduism is often described as 'a way of life'. Unfortunately corruption at all levels has become a way of life. It is sustained not by a small percentage of crooks relatively speaking but by vast majority of silent participants who go along with the system. It is like cancer and spreading but it needs a Chemo therapy. It may be painful but there is a good probability of emerging with a better and more prosperous nation like how some people get fully cured of certain types of cancer today.

The transformation may take a decade or so but it is not impossible to happen.

The moneys in the swiss banks will not come back even if BJP/Modi come to rule the country, because Shri Swamy himself said some years ago that he tried his best but the Vajpai government went silent on this!!

Karma is not measurable just in the same way as "God's kindness" or "God's powers" - as per those who believe in such ideas. Hence, there is nothing lost or demeaning in a belief in Karma.

In a democracy of ruling by votes, the main problem is which party has a reputation of itself being honest, and which such party will undertake the chemo-therapy which is definitely painful and causes disfiguration as well. That party will be completely swept off in the next elections; five years is not sufficient time for such a therapy, as you say rightly.

 

[tks]

The moneys in the swiss banks will not come back even if BJP/Modi come to rule the country, because Shri Swamy himself said some years ago that he tried his best but the Vajpai government went silent on this!!

Karma is not measurable just in the same way as "God's kindness" or "God's powers" - as per those who believe in such ideas. Hence, there is nothing lost or demeaning in a belief in Karma.

In a democracy of ruling by votes, the main problem is which party has a reputation of itself being honest, and which such party will undertake the chemo-therapy which is definitely painful and causes disfiguration as well. That party will be completely swept off in the next elections; five years is not sufficient time for such a therapy, as you say rightly.

It is a rarity for me to receive a response in real time
I was actually editing and added more before your response!

 

[sangom]

There is a view that I am a kind of "doomsday prophet". For those who carry such an impression, I attach an e-mail forward which I received Today from a very jovial, optimistic and very well-off retired friend, who has, for the first time, expressed anxiety at these forecasts and has asked how I view the immediate future as per astrology.

 

[biswa]

So what do you say, Sangomji? Is the end near?

 

[Brahmanyan]

So what do you say, Sangomji? Is the end near?

No Sir, Please don't despair. This country has the resilience to stand up against all ills devouring the Nation. This has been proved time and again. The last being that, when we have faced worst situation during the ignominious emergency,a leader appeared to save us from the sufferings. I have a blind faith that a "messiah" will appear at the time of need to resurrect us, like legandary phoenix.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[sravna]

No Sir, Please don't despair. This country has the resilience to stand up against all ills devouring the Nation. This has been proved time and again. The last being that, when we have faced worst situation during the ignominious emergency,a leader appeared to save us from the sufferings. I have a blind faith that a "messiah" will appear at the time of need to resurrect us, like legandary phoenix.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

Well said Shri.Brahmanyan Ji. I completely agree.

 

[sangom]

So what do you say, Sangomji? Is the end near?

Shri Biswa,

I won't say "end is near" because, you see, even the universe is inching towards its "end" every second!! But, in India, I feel that the Constitution will be amended during the next few years, to give more and more powers to the States, making the extreme centralization of powers in the GOI, a thing of the past. The Centre may thus become a 'toy' in the hands of a few very powerful states.

Hence, the "end" seems to be very near, for the present dispensation.

 

[sarang]

When messiahs are responsible for our present state, do we need some more? Even a avatar of dharmaraj yama is welcome to weed out evil.

I too agree that Bharat will rise like the sun in the near future. Many steps - abolition of partcipatory note, bring all black money, encourage frugal living and savings, encouraging rural economy - will do wonders to indian economy.

I have a blind faith that a "messiah" will appear at the time of need to resurrect us, like legandary phoenix.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[prasad1]

Here we go again.
You can not go back to Ram Rajya. Who among the intelligent person is willing to give up the progress and go back to stone age?

 

[sravna]

Here we go again.
You can not go back to Ram Rajya. Who among the intelligent person is willing to give up the progress and go back to stone age?

We have better tools and greater comforts no doubt but precisely because the pleasures and comforts we have, enslave our mind, the mind of even one who is normally good can be corrupted. Therefore there should be an effort to elevate the minds of the people to address that problem. Our scriptures can definitely come in handy for the job. When each person thinks righteously all the problems of the nation get automatically solved.

 

[tks]

There is a view that I am a kind of "doomsday prophet". For those who carry such an impression, I attach an e-mail forward which I received Today from a very jovial, optimistic and very well-off retired friend, who has, for the first time, expressed anxiety at these forecasts and has asked how I view the immediate future as per astrology.

Here is what the leading scientists predict how the world and human race will end - after the predictions they are devising strategies for survival !

Science superheroes and famous thinkers form 'doomsday' society to save humanity from asteroids, pandemics - and itself | Mail Online

First it is pessimism leading to solutions

 

[sarang]

idiots will remain idiots. Ramarajya does not mean carrying bows and arrows; only a person who is totally ignorant of ramayana and dharmic way of life will say such foolhardy expletives.

Such folk has a thorough and total misunderstanding (assuming mental resources are inherent) and belong to the category who neither knows nor willing to learn. I am sure their iq levels are over 150!

Here we go again.
You can not go back to Ram Rajya. Who among the intelligent person is willing to give up the progress and go back to stone age?