Is the petition justifiable

[auh]

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Now to answer to the sidelined point for which this thread was opened - I think it is up to the Temple priests to decide on this. A ritual, custom or tradition exists for every temple and varies across geographies. In this light the tradition-upholders have the right of say on the matter of Jesudas' entry.

A temple does not, ipso facto, become a social contact point, much like the chai-samosa shop in the street corner. It is the residing place of a particular deity and all the practices have to be respected as it were, whether archaic or not.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renu,

Let me tell you one funny incident! I happened to visit an 'orthodox to the core' house and a teenager was on her monthly 'leave'.

She was given a separate thin bed, used for those days and had to sleep in a room, alone. I pitied her plight and hence offered to

sleep next to her! The next day was the day of 'bath'; so this girl got up very early in the morning, had her head bath and washed

her clothes too! When I got up around 6 a.m, the girl coolly told me NOT to touch her before my head bath, because I had theettu !!

Dear RR ji,

Sometimes it does not pay being nice to people!

She did not even respect you for offering to sleep in the same room with her.

After all what s Theetu? Its imaginary.

 

[auh]

There is no special status for any Shiva Bhaktha. All are equal.

That much I learned from my schooling and education, post; even if somebody does not worship Shiva, they remain as equals.

 

[auh]

After all what s Theetu? Its imaginary.

To you, perhaps...

This concept of Theetu is similar to that of Karma getting attached to an Athma. Interesting thing is that all three can never be seen !

 

[sarang]

Well put. Hope the point sinks in

Now to answer to the sidelined point for which this thread was opened - I think it is up to the Temple priests to decide on this. A ritual, custom or tradition exists for every temple and varies across geographies. In this light the tradition-upholders have the right of say on the matter of Jesudas' entry.

A temple does not, ipso facto, become a social contact point, much like the chai-samosa shop in the street corner. It is the residing place of a particular deity and all the practices have to be respected as it were, whether archaic or not.

 

[renuka]

To you, perhaps...

This concept of Theetu is similar to that of Karma getting attached to an Athma. Interesting thing is that all three can never be seen !

Theetu is only for those who believe that they are merely the body.

If one understands that the Atma is never sullied by anything..Theetu is just imaginary!

Basic hygiene is science..it is not religion.

 

[Vaagmi]

Sir.

1.What is the relationship between chasing money and becoming Osama Vaagmi (wrongly mentioned as Obama) and Mariam Vaagmi. I appreciate your alertness but slight deviation may change the situation. Be aware.

2.So, it seems that the head is not responsible but the tail plays the spoilsport.

3.The Madam who narrated the incident may please note the term 'A FEW FAKES JOINING THE GROUP'.

4.Why are you scared of writing the Thiruvilaiyadalkal of other acharyas, whatever may be the caste. I always have firm faith only God should be given utmost reverence. If a human commits a mistake, irrespective his/her position, he/she has to face the song. So, don't feel shy and narrate the epic. Let us enjoy, as we enjoy Krishna Leela.

1. Don't you understand? Read my post carefully again.

2. There was no tail and if it claimed to be one it was again fake.

3. Yes please note.

4. I know you have firm faith only in Shiva. And that has nothing to do with faking Iyengars in the queue to derive an unfair advantage. If I narrate the thiruvilaiyadalkal of acharyas, you will not find them enjoyable like Krishna Leela. In Krishna Leela you will atleast see most of the childish pranks. But in these thiruvilaiyadalkal you will find old people acting funny etc., You will find them boring like the Thiruvilaiyadal Puranam. LOL.

 

[prasad1]

Now to answer to the sidelined point for which this thread was opened - I think it is up to the Temple priests to decide on this. A ritual, custom or tradition exists for every temple and varies across geographies. In this light the tradition-upholders have the right of say on the matter of Jesudas' entry.

A temple does not, ipso facto, become a social contact point, much like the chai-samosa shop in the street corner. It is the residing place of a particular deity and all the practices have to be respected as it were, whether archaic or not.

Auhji,
We live in a society. In Democracy rules are changed by the people. In Monarchy you petition the king. Even a tyrant may relent on a petition. Petitioning the higher up in the ladder is de-facto right, Actually people pray to God to change their Karmic effect.

We are talking about Public worship place.
These temple are not private property, and the priest is a just an employee appointed by the board. Only the board makes the rule, the boards is a political body appointed by the politicians.

In a correlation a policeman wrongfully decides to arrest an innocent person, are you saying that is the rule and we should do away with due process of law?

I can understand in a private temple, the temple authority has the right to deny anyone, but even there you can petition to amend the rule.

Life may be a dream but in reality someone has to struggle to make it a dream for others.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

4. I know you have firm faith only in Shiva. And that has nothing to do with faking Iyengars in the queue to derive an unfair advantage. If I narrate the thiruvilaiyadalkal of acharyas, you will not find them enjoyable like Krishna Leela. In Krishna Leela you will atleast see most of the childish pranks. But in these thiruvilaiyadalkal you will find old people acting funny etc., You will find them boring like the Thiruvilaiyadal Puranam. LOL.

Any Thiruvilayadal is enjoyable one way or other, since all thiruvilayadals have their roots in Krishna Leela. Why do you assume it is not so? Please narrate. At least, I will enjoy.

Yes, for infants, Thiruvilaiyadal Puranam is a boring one and not for matured people.

 

[Vaagmi]

Any Thiruvilayadal is enjoyable one way or other, since all thiruvilayadals have their roots in Krishna Leela. Why do you assume it is not so? Please narrate. At least, I will enjoy.

Yes, for infants, Thiruvilaiyadal Puranam is a boring one and not for matured people.

I understand well. I suspected as much. Please keep reading the T.Puranam every day. That will help you become more and more mature. LOL.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

I understand well. I suspected as much. Please keep reading the T.Puranam every day. That will help you become more and more mature. LOL.

Thank u for your suggestion. I will definitely do and will be more elated if you reciprocate.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Renu,

Before you answer my post, I am getting from other friends. Thanks to them.

I felt it funny because I slept in that room and never touched that girl. Perhaps, according to her, the room itself has theettu!

I have also wondered about the 'echchil' concept told by my greatgrandma. When she was young, the so called untouchables

would ask for buttermilk from the backyard. There used to be a long bamboo, cut lengthwise into half, for serving them from the

house. The buttermilk would NOT be poured continuously because his 'echchil' would reach the vessel through the bamboo canal !!

 

[Raji Ram]

........ At the same time, the other way is also possible. Such a debate may also create a situation that all Iyengars may become committed Shiva Bhakthas.

Your optimism is par excellence!! :thumb:

 

[Raji Ram]

Fake SamiyArs are in every sect and religion and there is no need to dissect and do postmortem!! :nono:

 

[renuka]

Dear Renu,

Before you answer my post, I am getting from other friends. Thanks to them.

I felt it funny because I slept in that room and never touched that girl. Perhaps, according to her, the room itself has theettu!

I have also wondered about the 'echchil' concept told by my greatgrandma. When she was young, the so called untouchables

would ask for buttermilk from the backyard. There used to be a long bamboo, cut lengthwise into half, for serving them from the

house. The buttermilk would NOT be poured continuously because his 'echchil' would reach the vessel through the bamboo canal !!

Dear RR ji,

What an inhumane practice!

Didnt humans have a heart as NOT to feed someone thru a long bamboo which I am sure would not have been cleaned all that well and has the risk of transferring bacteria to the person drinking from it?

I find this totally impossible to accept.

Humans are supposed to be compassionate and not brain dead to believe in all these subhuman practices.

I wonder how people can face God and pray after treating a fellow human worse than an animal?

Well I guess praying does not transform anyone!

 

[krish44]

we still have the two tumbler system in interior tamilnadu hotels for serving separately forwards and dalits.

untouchability is a curse.

brahmins and forwards should atone for the sins committed by some of them

 

[renuka]

we still have the two tumbler system in interior tamilnadu hotels for serving separately forwards and dalits.

The best is to have disposable tumbler system..it will keep everyone equal and happy.

 

[krish44]

Fake SamiyArs are in every sect and religion and there is no need to dissect and do postmortem!! :nono:

all samiyars in all religions are the same.

there is nothing to choose between them

How many samiyars are willing samiyars and how many forced to convert into samiyars by those around them.

IN R K Narayans novel a tourist guide Raju gets mistaken for a swamiyar by villagers and forced to pray for rain during drought.

in T Janakiraman short story , a grahasthan envies a swamiyar since he does not have the problems of day to day living.

one late evening , he finds the swami weeping. He learns from him that his parents him forced to become Swamiyar and he is feeling bad that he could not have the pleasure of normal

life like grahasthas.lol

 

[renuka]

Dear Krish ji,

When I used to be on Facebook..a young Buddhist monk from Sri Lanka had sent me a friends invite.

I accepted the friend's invite becos he was a monk.

Then later I got to know thru his messages that he was utterly confused and actually wanted to know the outside world thru Facebook.

His messages got kind of weird..at one point he seemed delusional.He seemed to wanted to break free then he would get all guilty of thinking of even leaving the Monastery.

He was decent no doubt but it was as if each message was a cry for freedom becos his family wanted him to be a monk and he was sent to the Monastery as a child.

Now I am not in FB..so I dont know who else he was telling his stories too.He had also sent a friend invite to another friend of mine also a doc.

He said he liked doctors becos they were the only ones who would hear him out.

Sad but true.

 

[krish44]

In gujarat, many forward caste families at one time could not find suitable matches in their community for their girls

to avoid getting them married to persons from other communities, they forcibly made them to join a religeous order called Brahmakumaris which has a lot of adherants in

gujarat and other places .similarly girls from poor christian families are made nuns by their family for economic reasons in kerala.

many in SE asia become monks for a couple of years in their life . they return to normal life after the period

I came across one from Laos

 

[Raji Ram]

.......... Well I guess praying does not transform anyone!

Very true, Renu! This is what I find as 'AchAram' without humane feeling.

One of the mAmis known to me, will never allow her daughters to have a bath on those three days because if they draw water

from the well, it will get contaminated! Someone more pure will give water in a bucket, reserved for those days, for toilet use

of those girls. Another mAmi will not allow the theetu girls to touch any tap in the house, because the overhead tank will get

contaminated! If this is the plight of their own children, you can guess about others!

But this bamboo canal was used in my greatgrandma's time and no one does so, now a days! eace:

 

[prasad1]

The best is to have disposable tumbler system..it will keep everyone equal and happy.

Do you think one is happy because others are happy? I think some of us are happy when others are suffering. The bullies of the world enjoy when they heap misery on others.
So equal and happy does not work.

 

[prasad1]

Very true, Renu! This is what I find as 'AchAram' without humane feeling.

One of the mAmis known to me, will never allow her daughters to have a bath on those three days because if they draw water

from the well, it will get contaminated! Someone more pure will give water in a bucket, reserved for those days, for toilet use

of those girls. Another mAmi will not allow the theetu girls to touch any tap in the house, because the overhead tank will get

contaminated! If this is the plight of their own children, you can guess about others!

But this bamboo canal was used in my greatgrandma's time and no one does so, now a days! eace:

I have written extensively against this practice of theetu and eechii. It might have had a use at one time, but has undergone cruel changes. It is used to only to Torture others. It has lost the reason and is outdated practice. People may segregate themselves, if they wish, but must not impose it on others.

 

[renuka]

Do you think one is happy because others are happy? I think some of us are happy when others are suffering. The bullies of the world enjoy when they heap misery on others.
So equal and happy does not work.

You may have a point here but logically I for sure cant be happy when another is suffering.

At times when I read about killing and dying etc..I feel guilty to even be alive.

Why do you think I started the Good can not Defeat Evil and Evil can not defeat Good thread?

I was wishing for a solution of something..knowing very well I am totally helpless that I can do nothing for the world.

 

[prasad1]

You may have a point here but logically I for sure cant be happy when another is suffering.

At times when I read about killing and dying etc..I feel guilty to even be alive.

Why do you think I started the Good can not Defeat Evil and Evil can not defeat Good thread?

I was wishing for a solution of something..knowing very well I am totally helpless that I can do nothing for the world.

Don't expect the majority to be with you in your spiritual level. You are highly evolved person, and expect the world to be at your level. That is highly commendable. But there is a whole lot of people to whom "might is right", we just have to avoid them.