Just another Indian Crab story-TB

[C RAVI]

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I may appear sadist and cruel through this post of mine!! I don't mind but to vent my anger.

Basically, I am Kamal's fan and love almost all this films with exceptions to very few. A great artist, dedicated to his profession of art, a highly skilled personality and a very good actor.

I am too eager to watch Vishwaroopam. Here in Dubai, we friends planed to watch the movie in Cinema in our residential area. But couldn't due ban on the screening of the movie.



Whatever and who ever are the reasons for this plight of Kamal today, I am some what feeling happy to have some solace!!

He is the Guy who told that the criminals who brutally rapped and murdered Delhi Braveheart are also the citizens of India and are his Brothers. For this reason, they should only be imprisoned and rehabilitated. They should not at all be hanged to death!!

Delhi Braveheart - Nirbhaya belongs to a middle class family, hailing from a remote village in UP. Her farther disposed off some of his available assets to provide education to the girl who is the eldest of the home. She was a smart, hardworking and ambitious girl. The paramedical student was intended to serve the folks of her village. The girl and her parents had lots and lots of dreams and desires.

BUT, she had to suffer under her treatments for 13 days and wished that she should survive. She died and along with her, her mother too died psychologically/emotionally.

The criminals, to satisfy their lust, tortured her, abused her, ruined her physically and said - "Die you B**ch".

The girl could hardly interact with her parents, boy friend and with her brothers. Mostly it was by gestures.

The whole family was eclipsed by this gruesome incident and is still disheartened by the way the legal proceedings are carried out.


The so called famous and so called humanist fellow is enjoying his luxurious life, adding on to this list of professional achievements and sounds Highly Diplomatic. With his diplomacy, this fellow said to media people, when asked about his opinions on what could be the right punishment for the gang rapists, that, the gang rapers are too the "Citizens of India", they are also his "Brothers", they should also be "respected as Humans" and they should not be hanged to death.

Now, I could see him suffering tortures, emotionally going down, having his speech choked and having his eyes wet while addressing the media in his home. Now he is scared that he may end up losing this house that means to him a lot. The house where he grew, the areas in the house where he used to dance etc.etc. The house that he keeps close to his heart may go out of his hand due huge lose, resultant to delay/ban on screening of his movie - Vishwaroopam.

It has really taken a Vishwaroopam to give him the taste of agony!! To make him suffer in the hands of politicians and Creditors who are too the Citizens of India, his Brothers and Humans off course!!

God is indeed great!!!

 

[sangom]

I may appear sadist and cruel through this post of mine!! I don't mind but to vent my anger.

Basically, I am Kamal's fan and love almost all this films with exceptions to very few. A great artist, dedicated to his profession of art, a highly skilled personality and a very good actor.

I am too eager to watch Vishwaroopam. Here in Dubai, we friends planed to watch the movie in Cinema in our residential area. But couldn't due ban on the screening of the movie.



Whatever and who ever are the reasons for this plight of Kamal today, I am some what feeling happy to have some solace!!

He is the Guy who told that the criminals who brutally rapped and murdered Delhi Braveheart are also the citizens of India and are his Brothers. For this reason, they should only be imprisoned and rehabilitated. They should not at all be hanged to death!!

Delhi Braveheart - Nirbhaya belongs to a middle class family, hailing from a remote village in UP. Her farther disposed off some of his available assets to provide education to the girl who is the eldest of the home. She was a smart, hardworking and ambitious girl. The paramedical student was intended to serve the folks of her village. The girl and her parents had lots and lots of dreams and desires.

BUT, she had to suffer under her treatments for 13 days and wished that she should survive. She died and along with her, her mother too died psychologically/emotionally.

The criminals, to satisfy their lust, tortured her, abused her, ruined her physically and said - "Die you B**ch".

The girl could hardly interact with her parents, boy friend and with her brothers. Mostly it was by gestures.

The whole family was eclipsed by this gruesome incident and is still disheartened by the way the legal proceedings are carried out.


The so called famous and so called humanist fellow is enjoying his luxurious life, adding on to this list of professional achievements and sounds Highly Diplomatic. With his diplomacy, this fellow said to media people, when asked about his opinions on what could be the right punishment for the gang rapists, that, the gang rapers are too the "Citizens of India", they are also his "Brothers", they should also be "respected as Humans" and they should not be hanged to death.

Now, I could see him suffering tortures, emotionally going down, having his speech choked and having his eyes wet while addressing the media in his home. Now he is scared that he may end up losing this house that means to him a lot. The house where he grew, the areas in the house where he used to dance etc.etc. The house that he keeps close to his heart may go out of his hand due huge lose, resultant to delay/ban on screening of his movie - Vishwaroopam.

It has really taken a Vishwaroopam to give him the taste of agony!! To make him suffer in the hands of politicians and Creditors who are too the Citizens of India, his Brothers and Humans off course!!

God is indeed great!!!

:clap2:

 

[Haridasa Siva]

Ravi,

I wish Kamal Hassan reads your words: "....suffer in the hands of politicians and Creditors who are too the Citizens of India, his Brothers and Humans off course".

 

[sankara_sharmah]

Dear TBS Garu,
Now it is not the time to think of Movie Karma etc...after all even Bharath( a TB) has played some anti brahmin movies.
In real life do you really think Kamal is anti TB?

Yes. Being anti-TB and even Anti-Hindu is considered secular in India. Acting is one thing. But producing a series of movies denigrating Hindus is not acceptable.

He might be unconventional but that does not mean he hates his own community.

Yes. He does hate the community thinking it would make him popular. There was no need for him to join the Thi.Ka. It was done only to spite the community.

His words show he has values.

Yes. What those values are no one knows. He values the opinion of only His Muslim Brothers.

So now is the time you guys should stand by him and not find fault with him.

Why should we support a man who is deeply committed only to his Muslim Brothers. He has clearly stated that this movie was produced to praise Islam. It backfired. Tell me why should a Hindu think of going out of India when it is the Muslims who are harassing him. What is meant by to a secular country. Is India not secular enough for him?

 

[ShivKC]

For all those spitting on Kamal, here is my take..

All TB's are crabs.. Crabs inside a glass jar.. If one wants to get out, another one pulls down nother feet..

at this juncture, aunt JJ pulled kamal

Hindu, muslim,christian,minority,middle class, money power, politics et all zero here,to talk about. thats what the OP infer.

Common guys, try to build some unity, at least a lip service, at least on papper or forums

 

[ShivKC]

Insulting all the Brahmins because we would not support a Thi.Ka guy does not get you anywhere. Brahmins are not that desperate. They do not need Kamala Haasan.

Unity for What? Falling down at the feet of the Muslims?

in this same forum, i read so much of praise/eulogy/congrats/co-branding etc a gentle man called Mr.Venky, who married a christian divorce who already had a child, before marrying him.. he also said it loud to the indian media, that astrology is all fake, and gave a punch to the bottom of the belly of TB profession.

Yet, yet, there were so many praises for him.. attempt to appropriate him as a pride for TBs..in this same forum.. guess why, ... he bagged the Nobel prize.

how long community could linger behind fame and fortune, by changing rule books of its own convenience?

 

[Govinda]

Coming to reality, the whole Indian culture is totally degraded (from last 100 years of movie making!).

Let this be a shining light for Indian people. Let all movies go flop and banned..

Guys, get back to concrete work, like having real farming/agriculture.
People of dying in hunger/diseases, and losing their health/mind from pesticides/junk-foods with commercial goals.

We dont need movies to teach anything. Infact, media didnt teach any values, ethics to the masses.
The Rapes, corruption, prostitution, polices' false accusation/framing for bribes, drugs,
lustful-dating, losing virginity, aids, divorces, deserting old-aged parents,
useless commercial outlets and junkies are the products of all these advancements.

India is already becoming a Rwanda.

BAN all movies and theaters! They cannot educate people in anyway.
We have wonderful moral works, scriptures to learn from. We have research documents, articles.
Cuddle back the valuable books!

 

[renuka]

I may appear sadist and cruel through this post of mine!! I don't mind but to vent my anger.

Basically, I am Kamal's fan and love almost all this films with exceptions to very few. A great artist, dedicated to his profession of art, a highly skilled personality and a very good actor.

I am too eager to watch Vishwaroopam. Here in Dubai, we friends planed to watch the movie in Cinema in our residential area. But couldn't due ban on the screening of the movie.



Whatever and who ever are the reasons for this plight of Kamal today, I am some what feeling happy to have some solace!!

He is the Guy who told that the criminals who brutally rapped and murdered Delhi Braveheart are also the citizens of India and are his Brothers. For this reason, they should only be imprisoned and rehabilitated. They should not at all be hanged to death!!

Delhi Braveheart - Nirbhaya belongs to a middle class family, hailing from a remote village in UP. Her farther disposed off some of his available assets to provide education to the girl who is the eldest of the home. She was a smart, hardworking and ambitious girl. The paramedical student was intended to serve the folks of her village. The girl and her parents had lots and lots of dreams and desires.

BUT, she had to suffer under her treatments for 13 days and wished that she should survive. She died and along with her, her mother too died psychologically/emotionally.

The criminals, to satisfy their lust, tortured her, abused her, ruined her physically and said - "Die you B**ch".

The girl could hardly interact with her parents, boy friend and with her brothers. Mostly it was by gestures.

The whole family was eclipsed by this gruesome incident and is still disheartened by the way the legal proceedings are carried out.


The so called famous and so called humanist fellow is enjoying his luxurious life, adding on to this list of professional achievements and sounds Highly Diplomatic. With his diplomacy, this fellow said to media people, when asked about his opinions on what could be the right punishment for the gang rapists, that, the gang rapers are too the "Citizens of India", they are also his "Brothers", they should also be "respected as Humans" and they should not be hanged to death.

Now, I could see him suffering tortures, emotionally going down, having his speech choked and having his eyes wet while addressing the media in his home. Now he is scared that he may end up losing this house that means to him a lot. The house where he grew, the areas in the house where he used to dance etc.etc. The house that he keeps close to his heart may go out of his hand due huge lose, resultant to delay/ban on screening of his movie - Vishwaroopam.

It has really taken a Vishwaroopam to give him the taste of agony!! To make him suffer in the hands of politicians and Creditors who are too the Citizens of India, his Brothers and Humans off course!!

God is indeed great!!!

Dear Ravi,

I get your point..in fact I did not know about his comment on Nirbhaya's case.
I am shocked to read this..that to coming from a person with 2 daughters.

But whatever said and done..let this be a lesson for anyone and let him(Kamal) also realize his mistake..but I feel none of us should feel "happy..God is Great feeling" when someone is down and out.

Anything can happen to anyone anytime.

When something bad happens to someone we do not really like anymore..we say
"God is Great"but when something bad happens to us or to someone we like, we say "Where is God?"

So basically God is only Great in our eyes when we have our desires fulfilled.

It is not fair to involve God is our mundane ups and downs.

 

[renuka]

To be frank..I have seen most Christians when they have a rebel fellow Christian...they might not like him and avoid that person..but when that same rebel is in dire straits..fellow Christians do not abandoned him but show him to right path again.

I feel we Hindus..just kick out and stamp on someone who has committed some anti Hindu mistakes before.

We really do not have the true communal spirit.

 

[tbs]

hi

God is indeed great!!!


well said ravi.....nice words....
அரசன் அன்று கொல்வான் ......தெய்வம் நின்று கொல்லும் ......விதை விதைச்சவன் ,,,

வினை அறுப்பான்...

 

[sankara_sharmah]

To be frank..I have seen most Christians when they have a rebel fellow Christian...they might not like him and avoid that person..but when that same rebel is in dire straits..fellow Christians do not abandoned him but show him to right path again.

I feel we Hindus..just kick out and stamp on someone who has committed some anti Hindu mistakes before.

We really do not have the true communal spirit.

The Christians burned them at stakes. Anyone whose ideas went against the official Christian doctrine, was hounded imprisoned and often killed. The first translator of the Bible into English, Galileo and millions of others.

They are even now refused burial in the cemetery. It happened in Kerala some time back to a Marxist minister whose father they refused burial in the cemetery.

Tolerance and Christianity? There is no Abrahamic religion which is tolerant.

 

[renuka]

The Christians burned them at stakes. Anyone whose ideas went against the official Christian doctrine, was hounded imprisoned and often killed. The first translator of the Bible into English, Galileo and millions of others.

They are even now refused burial in the cemetery. It happened in Kerala some time back to a Marxist minister whose father they refused burial in the cemetery.

Tolerance and Christianity? There is no Abrahamic religion which is tolerant.

Dear Sir,

I was not talking about uncivilized era where death was the penalty for everything and anything.

I am talking about the present society which is law governed.

I feel we Hindus like to get some sadistic pleasure sorts by saying that a person deserved it..it's his Karma..God showed him etc..

But just one correction..Hindus are not crabs cos crabs don't talk..they only pull.

We Hindus..talk and pull both.

So I feel we should not insult crustaceans.

 

[sankara_sharmah]

There is a trend which is very distressing in Indian society especially Tamilians.

For many of them the actors/actresses are more like Gods/Goddesses. You hear about temples being constructed for them.

They can do no wrong. The actors/actresses are greater than Nobel Prize winners, Industrialists, C.E.O and every body else.

People would laugh if some one says Elizabeth Tailor was greater than Einstein.

But for these people it is a fact.

Open any Tamil Magazine. You have actors/Actresses advising about Religion, Anmeekam, Cookery, social issues and everything under the sun.

They are considered the final authority on everything. They are Gods/Goddesses.

The discussion in this thread is between the believers and the non-believers.

People who believe that Actors/actresses are Gods/goddesses and beyond any reproach and those who believe that they are only actors/actresses. Nothing else.

 

[renuka]

There is a trend which is very distressing in Indian society especially Tamilians.

For many of them the actors/actresses are more like Gods/Goddesses. You hear about temples being constructed for them.

They can do no wrong. The actors/actresses are greater than Nobel Prize winners, Industrialists, C.E.O and every body else.

People would laugh if some one says Elizabeth Tailor was greater than Einstein.

But for these people it is a fact.

Open any Tamil Magazine. You have actors/Actresses advising about Religion, Anmeekam, Cookery, social issues and everything under the sun.

They are considered the final authority on everything. They are Gods/Goddesses.

The discussion in this thread is between the believers and the non-believers.

People who believe that Actors/actresses are Gods/goddesses and beyond any reproach and those who believe that they are only actors/actresses. Nothing else.

Dear Sir,

In a way you are right..actors are also God and also nothing but actors..that applies to everyone else too.

After all we are all sparks of God.. acting out our Karma here..but the point I am trying to get at here is NOT to rejoice when someone else is in dire straits..whether he is an actor or not..every human deserves some compassion.

Just imagine ourselves in that situation where one might risk losing everything we had earned and worked so hard for all our lives.

As a person running my own business I can imagine how a person who has invested so much would feel when facing losing everything.

 

[sarang]

I disagree. He is not just a rebel hindu. He is a virulous anti hindu and anti brahmin.

Imagine for a moment the protest is from hindu groups; I can visualise the language he will use and what the media will say. If any brahmin group protest against us of word 'pappathi', it will be throttled.

He can take care of himself, knows when and from whom accept 'kuttus' and seek forgiveness. If he wants to shift to a secular state in india, he must move to kashmir.

To be frank..I have seen most Christians when they have a rebel fellow Christian...they might not like him and avoid that person..but when that same rebel is in dire straits..fellow Christians do not abandoned him but show him to right path again.

I feel we Hindus..just kick out and stamp on someone who has committed some anti Hindu mistakes before.

We really do not have the true communal spirit.

 

[sangom]

in this same forum, i read so much of praise/eulogy/congrats/co-branding etc a gentle man called Mr.Venky, who married a christian divorce who already had a child, before marrying him.. he also said it loud to the indian media, that astrology is all fake, and gave a punch to the bottom of the belly of TB profession.

Yet, yet, there were so many praises for him.. attempt to appropriate him as a pride for TBs..in this same forum.. guess why, ... he bagged the Nobel prize.

how long community could linger behind fame and fortune, by changing rule books of its own convenience?

Dear Shiv,

To the best of my memory I did not - I was not, rather - part of the crowd applauding Venky. If I have done so please point out so that I can apologize at least, now.

In the case of Kamal Hasan, my objection is that an experienced and talented actor like him could have taken a very beautiful and non-controversial film on any one of myriad topics under the sun, and still, he wants to dabble with terrorists, terrorism etc. If he has the freedom of expression (artistic) other Indian citizens like the muslims, hindus and christians have an equal right to the freedom of expression of their hurt feelings. Artists cannot be given unfettered freedom of expression, imo.

I will refer to the Malayalam film "Chaappaa Kurisu" (The cross tattoo) which has as its theme the loss of a cell phone with the intimate scenes in bed of one youth and his temporary girl friend. Real artists should, imho, express their artistic talent through such pictures.

 

[sangom]

Dear Sir,

I was not talking about uncivilized era where death was the penalty for everything and anything.

I am talking about the present society which is law governed.

I feel we Hindus like to get some sadistic pleasure sorts by saying that a person deserved it..it's his Karma..God showed him etc..

But just one correction..Hindus are not crabs cos crabs don't talk..they only pull.

We Hindus..talk and pull both.

So I feel we should not insult crustaceans.

Smt. Renuka,

I think we (you?) seem to forget that Kamal Hasan became "ulaga nAyagan" only because the Tamil and perhaps Malayalam and Telugu fans/audiences made him a cinema legend. If you look closely, I find he does not have any extra-ordinary acting talents; compare Priya Mani's role in the recent Malayalam picture "Thirakkatha" (screen story). If now he does not get support from the hindus or tabras in this forum for a cinema taken with terrorism and terrorists as its theme because we just don't know yet whether the film depicts hindus in a bad light or otherwise, that does not mean we are crabs. If we were, Kamal would have ended up as some secondary role actor, nothing more.

Going by Kamal's track record he is most likely to have praised the muslims which, in the Indian context of secularism, means denigrating Hindus. So, it is a case of the boy who shouted "tiger, tiger!!" and finally had no one to help him when the tiger really came.

 

[ShivKC]

The Christians burned them at stakes. Anyone whose ideas went against the official Christian doctrine, was hounded imprisoned and often killed. The first translator of the Bible into English, Galileo and millions of others.

They are even now refused burial in the cemetery. It happened in Kerala some time back to a Marxist minister whose father they refused burial in the cemetery.

Tolerance and Christianity? There is no Abrahamic religion which is tolerant.

i think what renuka said is right.

it must be some 500 years ago I think, the christians burned their fellow christians at stake.. True. But we havent heard of any of the victims generations keeping memory of it or crying loud. And ask any christian of this age, if that act was right or wrong, and without any hesitation they would condemn it, i think. Galileo had received a posthumous apology. A unique terminology like white-guilt / german guilt has become words of common usage in the modern world.

but, look at our scenario. we are yet to find the majority people openly accepting the mistakes of the past rendered to the dalits by the upper castes (not blaming brahmins alone here). majority is still int he denial mode. And some on forums and papers used to accept for the sake of sailing along the crowd, and show themselves as advanced thinkers, but they all unanimously join together to deny the historical fact, when the govt decides on giving some concession to the fellow dalit hindu, towards their upliftment..some people even gone to extend of self-immolation to stop the upliftment process, by throwing the gauntlet of merit and talents.

things are far behind in this context, when compared to the western world

And it proves me right, for those who oppose Padmashree Dr.Kamal, the only reason is he once slapped the community, so all wants to take a chance to set themselves on the revenge mode. Yet the TBs dare to condemn Venky, inspite of he mocking the prime TB tradition of astrology funny indeed... yes, the mathematical equation goes , Venky >Kamal, and the community always wants to get identified closely with the popular ones, doesnt matter what the rule book says.

 

[renuka]

Ok let's get hypothetical...just say that one fine day Kamal Hassan gets an Oscar for his acting( he is certainly better than most Oscar winning western actors)...I am sure the very same crowd who felt that Kamal is an Anti TB element would surely proudly claim Kamal as a TB!LOL

That time everyone would want to share his glory citing that even though Kamal might not want to acknowledge his TB identity he still has TB genes that makes him the brightest star up in the sky of arts.

So..why all this Kola Veri for him now?

Just hope his problem gets resolved fast so that he does not face financial ruin.

After all the man has entertained all of us since he was a kid.

I don't know why some think his movies are Anti TB culture?

Some of his movies might have subtle undertones but it is always left to the viewer's discretion and not outright Anti TB/Anti Hindu God like Sathya Raj's movies.

I wonder why Sathya Raj never makes any anti Gounder movies?

I feel if a person wants to be anti God/anti caste..he should be anti every religion and every caste and not just a specific caste/religion.

So I do not really think Kamal is all that much an anti hero sorts..we should just judge an actor on his on screen performance.

His personal ideology and political preferences should be left out of it...but at least we need to admire him that he is no hypocrite.

He speaks his mind clearly.

 

[sankara_sharmah]

The incident I quoted of the father of a Christian Minister not being allowed burial in a Kerala cemetery happened about 20 years back. It continues to happen. The minister concerned was M.A. Baby. A Christian who does not attend church is refused burial in the parish Cemetery.

 

[ShivKC]

Ok let's get hypothetical...just say that one fine day Kamal Hassan gets an Oscar for his acting( he is certainly better than most Oscar winning western actors)...I am sure the very same crowd who felt that Kamal is an Anti TB element would surely proudly claim Kamal as a TB!LOL

.

You said it !!

 

[sankara_sharmah]

One of the things my friends warned me when I started working in Tamil Nadu. Never get into an argument with a Cine Star Fan. They are fanatics. Now in this forum people are even praising Christianity to support their Cine Star. No more posts from me.

 

[sarang]

1. You are wrong. The very same crowd which criricizes him his AB views will not support him. May be some other crowd or fence sitting crowd. Anyway the objecting crowd will not take to the streets or throw petrol bombs.

2. Film financing is another world. Kamahaasan will not lose a single rupee. Rajani and kamal sell the film rights to distributors and other risk takers well in advance and collect all the money for production beforehand. When 'baba' bombed at the box office, rajani returned about 45 crores to the distributors who had suffered losses though he was not legally binding to do so; an act of generosity. During the DTH pre release fiasco, it was rumoured that kamal was offered 100 crores for the rights. He should not have backed out, but taken it. He must be regretting it now.

3.

Ok let's get hypothetical...just say that one fine day Kamal Hassan gets an Oscar for his acting( he is certainly better than most Oscar winning western actors)...I am sure the very same crowd who felt that Kamal is an Anti TB element would surely proudly claim Kamal as a TB!LOL

That time everyone would want to share his glory citing that even though Kamal might not want to acknowledge his TB identity he still has TB genes that makes him the brightest star up in the sky of arts.

So..why all this Kola Veri for him now?

Just hope his problem gets resolved fast so that he does not face financial ruin.

After all the man has entertained all of us since he was a kid.

I don't know why some think his movies are Anti TB culture?

Some of his movies might have subtle undertones but it is always left to the viewer's discretion and not outright Anti TB/Anti Hindu God like Sathya Raj's movies.

I wonder why Sathya Raj never makes any anti Gounder movies?

I feel if a person wants to be anti God/anti caste..he should be anti every religion and every caste and not just a specific caste/religion.

So I do not really think Kamal is all that much an anti hero sorts..we should just judge an actor on his on screen performance.

His personal ideology and political preferences should be left out of it...but at least we need to admire him that he is no hypocrite.

He speaks his mind clearly.

 

[sarang]

Only in this case, the war was between kamal fans and pro ban group with international support. No wonder kamal fans made a hasty retreat. The fight would have been more lasting and intense if the warring fractions were some other groups (kamal-anti kamal, kaml-rajani, kamal-hindu, kamal-brahmins)

One of the things my friends warned me when I started working in Tamil Nadu. Never get into an argument with a Cine Star Fan. They are fanatics. Now in this forum people are even praising Christianity to support their Cine Star. No more posts from me.

 

[P.J.]

1. You are wrong. The very same crowd which criricizes him his AB views will not support him. May be some other crowd or fence sitting crowd. Anyway the objecting crowd will not take to the streets or throw petrol bombs.

2. Film financing is another world. Kamahaasan will not lose a single rupee. Rajani and kamal sell the film rights to distributors and other risk takers well in advance and collect all the money for production beforehand. When 'baba' bombed at the box office, rajani returned about 45 crores to the distributors who had suffered losses though he was not legally binding to do so; an act of generosity. During the DTH pre release fiasco, it was rumoured that kamal was offered 100 crores for the rights. He should not have backed out, but taken it. He must be regretting it now.

3.

sarang Sir

The distributors will not spare Kamal or who ever it might be, in case they lose heavily; Some months ago we read news about , Distributors wanted Vijay to compensate the loses.
Vijay to compensate the Sura loss - Oneindia Entertainment