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Ok let's get hypothetical...just say that one fine day Kamal Hassan gets an Oscar for his acting( he is certainly better than most Oscar winning western actors)...I am sure the very same crowd who felt that Kamal is an Anti TB element would surely proudly claim Kamal as a TB!LOL

That time everyone would want to share his glory citing that even though Kamal might not want to acknowledge his TB identity he still has TB genes that makes him the brightest star up in the sky of arts.

So..why all this Kola Veri for him now?

Just hope his problem gets resolved fast so that he does not face financial ruin.

After all the man has entertained all of us since he was a kid.

I don't know why some think his movies are Anti TB culture?

Some of his movies might have subtle undertones but it is always left to the viewer's discretion and not outright Anti TB/Anti Hindu God like Sathya Raj's movies.

I wonder why Sathya Raj never makes any anti Gounder movies?

I feel if a person wants to be anti God/anti caste..he should be anti every religion and every caste and not just a specific caste/religion.

So I do not really think Kamal is all that much an anti hero sorts..we should just judge an actor on his on screen performance.

His personal ideology and political preferences should be left out of it...but at least we need to admire him that he is no hypocrite.

He speaks his mind clearly.

renukaji

Your hypothetical assumption " Kamal Hassan gets an Oscar for his acting" is FAAAAAR Fetched and why TB community should answer such questions.
Secondly he is not making any "subtle undertones" to put your words againt Brahmin Bhasha, but in every opportunity he ridicules even their actions.

Please tell me one thing : will any husband call his wife by her name or by her caste? In Viswaroopam he calls his wife "Pappathi"!! Not only that Just to ridicule Brahmin woman he also asks her to taste Chicken ?
Was that dialogue necessary in that Film?
Also do you really think most Brahmin women takes Chicken? Even if they are located in Foreign countries?

Kamal , is a an opportunist, otherwise he would not have wished for "A dhoti clad Tamilian as Priminister!!
Chief Minister refutes reports of avenging Kamal Haasan for statement - Tamilstar.com

Simply because he makes some antics against Hindu Gods and Brahmin's in particular in his film, he can NOT be called as Hero.
 
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renukaji

Your hypothetical assumption " Kamal Hassan gets an Oscar for his acting" is FAAAAAR Fetched and why TB community should answer such questions.
Secondly he is not making any "subtle undertones" to put your words againt Brahmin Bhasha, but in every opportunity he ridicules even their actions.

Please tell me one thing : will any husband call his wife by her name or by her caste? In Viswaroopam he calls his wife "Pappathi"!! Not only that Just to ridicule Brahmin woman he also asks her to taste Chicken ?
Was that dialogue necessary in that Film?
Also do you really think most Brahmin women takes Chicken? Even if they are located in Foreign countries?

Kamal , is a an opportunist, otherwise he would not have wished for "A dhoti clad Tamilian as Priminister!!
Chief Minister refutes reports of avenging Kamal Haasan for statement - Tamilstar.com

Simply because he makes some antics against Hindu Gods and Brahmin's in particular in his film, he can NOT be called as Hero.

Dear Shri PJ,

Last night I heard the entire speech of that Muslim speaker, link for which was provided here. Naturally, of course, he did not refer to the Paappaathi incident in the film, tasting chicken etc., because it does not matter to them. But it seems the underlying theme is to show US as the viswaroopam of vishnu which ends in the King Bali being pushed down to paataalam. Taliban and in that guise muslims are all depicted as potential terrorists and the Quranic lines are repeated whenever a killing is shown. Mullah Omar is shown as having lived without any problem in Coimbatore and Madurai for two years and having comfortably gone back.

I think therefore feel this film deserves to be banned on many counts, though I may have sympathy for Kamal's financial position.

Smt. Renuka,

I will not start praising KH if he gets oscar, but if he somehow becomes the PM or President of India, possibly I will have to respect him for respecting the chair/position. For me even now he is a tabra as much as I am and will continue to be until the GOI approves a change in his caste status, which is not feasible under the present constitution.

As that Muslim speaker in the video clip said, Cinema is a business product for its consumers and hence it should satisfy the audience or should at least not wound the sentiments of its consumers. (I am told that universally, food items are rarely given dark blue colour because humans have intrinsic feeling that blue coloured food may be poisonous.)
 
Kamal is no more as innocent as in Kalathur Kannama.

As long as he was growing up in Film world, he was not showing any antics against Brahmanism.
But once he reached a certain level, he thought that his words and actions in Films would be accepted by everyone including Brahmin Community; but Brahmins are beyond his criticism.
He acted as Devar in ‘Devar Magan’; he was not doing any antics against Devar He knows that with that Community he can not play.

By saying that he wishes to see a “Dhoti Clad Tamilian as next PM” he thought that he can draw crowds to view his heavily invested Viswaroopam, but it boomeranged against him as people read it as a support to Congress and P. Chidambaram, Union Minister.

Honorable Chief Minister of TN has rightly said that Kamala Haasan,
has taken a calculated risk,

CM speaks out on Vishwaroopam, Kamal Haasan, Vishwaroopam release ban
 
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JJ banning Kamals Vishwaroobam movie!!

Tamil crab dominates all Indian crabs and :first:

Indian crab dominates all international crabs!!! :second:

Do not worry. Certain stoppers actually boost the movement :hand:

by rendering it faster, higher and longer in its stride.
You must have the seen the jumping (leaping) jeeps in circus!!! :clap2:
 
I totally support the TN CM banning the movie. 'Initially, I also thought that freedom of expression is being attacked. However as I saw the film myself, I totally understand the reasons.
The movie depicts a scene where our so called Ulaga--------- cooks chicken for his wife (who ofcourse has a Brahmin accent by coincidence) and calls his student "Paapaathi, nee daane expert, chicken taste panni sollu"...
......now this will be the dialogue used in the schools to taunt all Brahmin children.

I am a Brahmin, yes, there is nothing I can do about it. I follow the teachings and customs to the extent possible.

Yes some people who have Brahmin names eat non-veg. But dont some with Muslim names drink Alcohol ? Or eat non-halal if it is not available ?
Will the so called artist dare to invite a Muslim in the movie an expert on alcohol ? Or taste the forbidden animal ?

The so called artist will not accept comments on his illustrous personal life...who the hell is he to tease others tastes ?
If all girls in his family are cooking and eating meat or drinking liquor so be it...why should he generalize ?

I feel greatly offended...in the same way the Muslims woiuld feel offended if they were to be labelled as experts in liquor or terrorism.

Just because he got some political backing or money from the back door, he has decided to please his masters by ridiculing the Tambrams. Shame on you Kamala Hasan.
It is also a crying shame on the Americans as they allowed him to commercially exploit the sad beheading of an American reporter. The film should be banned in atleast all NATO religions.

Shame Shame to the so called artist family and all his supporters and black money suppliers. Just because he was born to Brahmin parents...he does not have the right to comment or generalize. He does not have respect for anyones feelings...ofcourse throw him some money and he will make a movie just as you like it. There are bed scenes in the movie which are needlessly added....just to satify his Sexual desire or show is Sexual exploits I guess.

Kudos again to the current CM of Tamilnadu who had the guts to shake him, for whatever reasons the press say.
Hats off Maam.

I am neither a supporter of any political party or any actor or any movie. Please do not mis-read or read beyond my words. And I respect the customs of other religions. My closest friend is a Muslim. I am just an ordinary Tamil Brahmin man living outside of India. And yes I do not eat meat. I do not care if others eat it but I will be offended if I am offered to eat it or if my community is taunted to be an expert about it.

I hope our community rises in support of this post.
 
1. . Anyway the objecting crowd will not take to the streets or throw petrol bombs.


3.

Would it be fine, if I call it as an inability, for us, who once had the power to threw molten lead in to the ears of some one...

Dont take shelter on the in ability.. if you throw bombs, the entire tamilians will gang against you and make it an anti=brahmin issue.. and here is a TB who has fairly done well in the movie industry, and here to you want to take your rule book, and cast him aside..

You will not support Dr.Padmashree Kamal.. But for sure, you would love to have a piggy drive, if he got to get an oscar. Show me one globally popular TB, whom tamil brahmins have abandoned or didnt want to identify close with?

Pls, have some rules (3000 year old rules and rituals are already there) and stick to it too.. can be a chameleon, but for how long !!
 
renukaji

Simply because he makes some antics against Hindu Gods and Brahmin's in particular in his film, he can NOT be called as Hero.

So PJ,

Do you still call him as a Tamil Brahmin? If not, will you allow the rest of tamilian fans to call him as a dalit.

What would be your choice

What would your innerfeeling, if Kamal bagged an Oscan.. not hypothetical though
 
So PJ,

Do you still call him as a Tamil Brahmin? If not, will you allow the rest of tamilian fans to call him as a dalit.

What would be your choice

What would your innerfeeling, if Kamal bagged an Oscan.. not hypothetical though


Dear Shiv,


As far as I am concerned, I will be happy that an Indian, a Tamilian has bagged the Oscar Award, if Kamal gets one. Would be happy for a man who deserves such an award. A man who is a great artistic performer. No matter to which caste community he belongs to.

At the same time, just because he is so talented, an Indian and a Tamilian, I can't consider him right and a great person for everything.

I have basically no regard for a person who is not sensitive to others pains and is just concerned about upholding his/her public image by being diplomatic.

He is a smart guy and people of such celebrity and authoritative status are many who knows how to play the games in a well twisted manner that can just make them feel happy and proud. I don't respect such people.

This fellow is so fed up that he felt like kicking himself out of India to be in his profession the way he wants. Why? Because he get hell lots of money? Such that he would do anything and talk anything and if objected would run away to another country so that he can do and talk the way he likes? What if he doesn't have such money and is just a up and coming artist? Will he be in a position to move out of India and defend himself from the law of the land throwing away money? Can he remain unaffected by political malpractices against him or can get out of such issues without throwing huge money?

Let us identify a person in all his/her personality and distinguish his/her's multiple colors.

If we appreciate a person for something that need not to make us blind and keep the person on our head. Just because he/she is an Indian, a Tamilian, a Brahmin etc..etc.

Basically no one would bother to identify him as a Brahmin or a Dalit. People are entertained by his performance and he got huge fans. People would be happy if he bags an Oscar Award and would be proud as Indians. This is one way of viewing him. And this view need not to hinder critical analysis of his personality as a human.

 
hi
see the person as an actor....from KALATHUR KANNAMA AS BOY KAMAL TO VISWAROOPAM KAMAL....long journey...
 
Some decades back, in late 1960s I think, DK goons were coming to destroy an hindu temple. Hindus from the locality approached KH's family, who happen to reside in the same area. They thought appealing to an influential family might help them save the temple. What was the response? KH's family advised the local hindus to defile the idols and demolish the temple themselves. KH, though from a hindu/brahmin background have always been virulently anti-hindus/anti-brahmins. Why should the brahmins support them?

Comparing KH to Venky (because of Venky's comment against astrology) is preposterous to say the least.

It appears there are members here, whose allegiances lie elsewhere, are more than happy to find fault with brahmins irrespective of their stand in any matter! Imagine if brahmins stood by KH on this issue. These very same members would have accused them of being uber-casteist!
 
So PJ,

Do you still call him as a Tamil Brahmin? If not, will you allow the rest of tamilian fans to call him as a dalit.

What would be your choice

What would your innerfeeling, if Kamal bagged an Oscan.. not hypothetical though


Who / what is an Oscan...

A winner of the Oscar award???:noidea:
 
கால பைரவன்;175850 said:
Some decades back, in late 1960s I think, DK goons were coming to destroy an hindu temple. Hindus from the locality approached KH's family, who happen to reside in the same area. They thought appealing to an influential family might help them save the temple. What was the response? KH's family advised the local hindus to defile the idols and demolish the temple themselves. KH, though from a hindu/brahmin background have always been virulently anti-hindus/anti-brahmins. Why should the brahmins support them?

Comparing KH to Venky (because of Venky's comment against astrology) is preposterous to say the least.

It appears there are members here, whose allegiances lie elsewhere, are more than happy to find fault with brahmins irrespective of their stand in any matter! Imagine if brahmins stood by KH on this issue. These very same members would have accused them of being uber-casteist!

I am really happy and relieved to note the issue

did not transform into a Muslims vs Brahmins issue.

If you live in religious-sensitive-city
you will understand what I mean! :fear:
 
Would it be fine, if I call it as an inability, for us, who once had the power to threw molten lead in to the ears of some one...

Dont take shelter on the in ability.. if you throw bombs, the entire tamilians will gang against you and make it an anti=brahmin issue.. and here is a TB who has fairly done well in the movie industry, and here to you want to take your rule book, and cast him aside..

You will not support Dr.Padmashree Kamal.. But for sure, you would love to have a piggy drive, if he got to get an oscar. Show me one globally popular TB, whom tamil brahmins have abandoned or didnt want to identify close with?

Pls, have some rules (3000 year old rules and rituals are already there) and stick to it too.. can be a chameleon, but for how long !!

Your posts which were bordering on irrelevance are now becoming taunts and ridicule.

Before you advise others "not to take shelter" would you answer the question posed to you by Sri Nara? That question is very pertinent because it asks you quite clearly whether you are one of us, that is a tamil brahmin or tabra. Do not "take shelter" under the garb of anonymity and come out clean to let us know whether you are on of *us*.

If you are unable to remember the post, i can copy paste them for your own benefit and others benefit too !!

There is a limit to everything, including taunts and ridicules.
 

No one objected for such vulgar songs with 'madisAr' dress!

Everyone knows that Tambrams will NOT react to such silly stuff!

This is just one sample:

Super Kudumbam - Mylapore Maami Song

Thanks visa. Enjoyed the video of madisar mami’s antics.

I always suspected that the madisaars are more earthly than what it assumed to be. Especially these days, when the tambrams shun it, except on certain occasions.

The fact that our grandparents and beyond that, had large families is a tribute, I think, to the versatility of the madisar – sexy enough to attract, and functional enough for a quickie. Eh!
 
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There have been a few posts now criticizing the usage of the term "pappathiyamma" in the movie.

Let me point out that terms such as "paarppaan" etc have been used in this forum by some members gleefully as a taunt/ ridicule. The usage of such terms could not be prevented in this very forum, started in the name of tamil brahmins and with the purpose of benefitting brahmins. Given this fact, how are we going to make KH, who does not care two hoots about our community, remove the offending part?

I like member Sarang's suggestion. The best one can do, if offended by the movie, is to boycott it.
 
கால பைரவன்;175969 said:
Ref Post # 81
There have been a few posts now criticizing the usage of the term "pappathiyamma" in the movie.

Let me point out that terms such as "paarppaan" etc have been used in this forum by some members gleefully as a taunt/ ridicule. The usage of such terms could not be prevented in this very forum, started in the name of tamil brahmins and with the purpose of benefitting brahmins. Given this fact, how are we going to make KH, who does not care two hoots about our community, remove the offending part?

I like member Sarang's suggestion. The best one can do, if offended by the movie, is to boycott it.



This is our weakness. I am happy that atleast the muslim community stood up for what they believed was inappropriate. And I am happy that the Govt listened to them...despite the "ayyo...naan paavam, en vaaya adaikkaranga" .."freedom of press" and all other crap spewed by KH. Atleast he will think twice before he does something next time. I think we need to stand up to gether and make our voice heard. I am not sure how, I wish I knew. But if I find an opportunity, I will speak up.
 
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